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U.S. Attempts to Block Oracle Bid for PeopleSoft

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the ongoing-takeover-sagas dept.

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AliasF97 writes "Thought you all might be interested in this story about the U.S. government attempting to block Oracle's bid for PeopleSoft via a civil anti-trust lawsuit. Seems to me that the courts are going to have their work cut out for them on this one. Also, the photo of Ellison is kind of comical. If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician."

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Gov't blocks? (-1, Offtopic)

kpansky (577361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403525)

So the government wants to cock block people. Soft.

Re:Gov't blocks? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403553)

Oh, shut up. The US enforces the law. OMG THEIR EVIL!

ORCL - good or bad at Slashdot... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403527)

I will comment depending on whether Slashdot is traditionally good to ORCL or not.
I know what to comment if I see MSFT in the article!

I sure hope Oracle loses (-1, Troll)

noaudience (751170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403528)

All these corporate aggressive takeovers suck.

I'm pretty sure the rest of the world doesn't have them too.

M$ (4, Insightful)

Aderym (677909) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403533)

Can't they concentrate on microsoft instead? :P

mod parent up (4, Insightful)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403607)

I have to completely agree here. Microsoft is encroaching more and more on antitrust, and the US courts do nothing to stop them.

Oracle isn't anywhere near monopoly, although they are a very strong database vendor, with probably one of the best supported database systems written, but they are competed against by everyone from Microsoft (which, btw is integrating their database engine into the OS), to us open source developers... The US Courts really need to pick their priorities better..

Re:mod parent up (5, Insightful)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403676)

This isn't about the database market, it's about the ERP [wikipedia.org] market. In that market, some things Oracle has done are cause for concern.

Re:M$ (1)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403791)

I bet they could if they seriously wanted... but Microsoft has monopolized the world far more than Oracle ever thought about doing.

I say let Oracle have 'em. I'm sure only good can come out of it... as there are a lot of other software developers around. Also, we're sure to see some other company come up to try to defend against them.

Fuck Antitrust Laws! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403536)

Antitrust laws should receive an award for Dumbest Idea Put into Practice by Politicians. If it weren't for the damage they do, they would be a hilarious example of government stupidity. Let me explain.

The first, obvious, problem is that these laws are intended to prevent monopolies. A monopoly is a legal restriction on who can sell a product or service. Now, the postal service is a monopoly because private companies are not allowed to compete in the shipping and delivery of first class mail. So here's the funny part: the government is responsible for enforcing the antitrust laws. Yup! The same government that created one of the most famous of all monopolies and enforces it by preventing competition. Not a very useful law.

You're not laughing.

Of course, the antitrust laws are only used against private companies, companies that are doing well for themselves and their customers. And consumers presumably need no protection from the monopoly that is the United States Postal Service. So the government, under the guise of protecting the consumer, destroys or hobbles the best producers. If it weren't so common for government schemes to backfire completely, you'd probably think this was funny too.

It gets better. The antitrust laws are used against companies that practice "anticompetitive practices." What counts as "anticompetitive?" Anything aimed at doing better than your competition. In other words, anything that's competitive. So the mere act of competing is considered anticompetitive. Funny yet?

Well, here's my last and favorite part. Even assuming that the government is right about everything (I know it's hard...just pretend), the laws are still worthless. The government assumes that if a single company becomes the sole producer in a market, they might jack up the price of their product, hurting the little guy. If an energy company jacks up its price by a hundredfold, what would the little guy do? The poor, poor little guy. To prevent this, they use the antitrust laws to beat down any producer who looks like he might take over. In other words, any producer who provides more value or lower cost to his customers.

Now, the main reason Objectivists dislike these laws is because they're a blatant initiation of force. By forcing companies to act in particular ways beyond simple non-coercion, the government is abandoning the principle of property rights when it comes to companies. In the name of helping the consumer, they enslave the producers, particularly the best of them.

So here's the punch-line. If a single producer jacking up his price is really the problem they're trying to solve, and given that they don't care about property rights in the slightest, why not wait until a single producer actually does do that? That's right. If they're going to trample rights, why not just wait until the "bad" thing has actually happened? By their own standards, the antitrust laws are useless.

Antitrust laws are stupid, evil, and worthless by anyone's standards. Maybe if we tell the politicians we get the joke, they'll take them away.

http://solohq.com/Articles/Rowlands/Antitrust_La ws --A_Joke.shtml

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (0, Troll)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403589)

Hey Bill,

Hadn't you better be working on XP reloaded instead of posting on slashdot? You don't want us customers to think your screwing us with your licensing scheme, do you? For a lack of a OS update?

So come on. Get on the ball. Enough with slashdot. Back to work

Your's Truly,
WankersRevenge

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (-1, Troll)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403636)

How convenient there wasn't a single argument in that little diatribe. Oh right, this is slashdot, a band of rabid Linux dogs where everything is free and corporations never satisfy customers.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (1)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403714)

I hope the accidental irony (correct usage? I forget) of your blanket statement isn't lost on you.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (1)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403806)

Sure tit-for-tat isn't justified, but you didn't really give me much to go on.

I'm still waiting for a reply.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403592)

Bill, is that you? Shouldn't you be busy running Microsoft, instead of trolling Slashdot?

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (0)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403604)

I seriously someone mods this up. It's something all slashdotters need to read before they start their irate seething that perhaps Henry Ford, A&P Grocers, and even Oracle and PeopleSoft got where they are because they satisfied customers better than their competetitors.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (2, Insightful)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403631)

Does your example extend to the RIAA? Are they satisfying their customers better than the competition? It's one thing to say that anti-trust laws are solving a problem that doesn't yet exist, but that doesn't explain away price-fixing of CDs.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403653)

They are defended by their laws that they have lobbied, such as the DMCA. Free markets do not really have true monopolies except 'natural' ones. The RIAA does not play by these rules.

Fuck Antitrust Laws!-BLOWUP economics. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403750)

"...that perhaps Henry Ford, A&P Grocers, and even Oracle and PeopleSoft got where they are because they satisfied customers better than their competetitors."

A problem the sex industry doesn't have.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (4, Insightful)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403799)

Take an elementary economics course, please.

Satisfying your customers better than your competitors in the past does not mean you will do it in the future. Only competition does that. They need a choice.

Companies has the right to compete on the product or service they sell. This makes for better products and services, with more value for the customers. When they stop competing on the value of the product then there is a problem. That problem is what antitrust laws are meant to address.

A big enough company can elumiate opposition that produces a product with a better value. They do this by making sure that product cannot be sold, through one means or another.

This has happened in the past. That is why the antitrust laws were written, to prevent what had happened from happening again.

As for the Post Office (bad example: it is not a monopoly,) If there is a product or service best served by a monopoly (and there are some) then it is the government's job to fill that role. Because then and only then is the monopoly producer accountable to the people.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (2, Insightful)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403847)

Since when do companies ever stop competing? You may have a case with oligopolies and collusion, but these are extremly rare.

And how do companies 'elumiate' the opposition? Usually it's by providing a cheaper good (Wal-mart) or a better good. If they do it through legislation then that is wrong and the law should be revoked.

The Post office IS a monopoly. No one is allowed to send mail under $0.50 to post boxes. Not because they won't be able to compete, but because the government says so. Just because it's not a necessarily 'evil' monopoly, its ineffeciencies justify its liquidation.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (4, Informative)

4b696e67 (670803) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403715)

I would have to disagree. Just look at the mess that was going on in the railroad/steel industry before the trust laws were in force. If you think Billy G. is bad you should read up on J.P. Morgan. I'm usually one that is all for government staying out of private enterprise, but I would hate to imagine what kind of world we would be living in without Roosevelt and his trust-busting at the turn of the century.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (2, Insightful)

SnappleMaster (465729) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403743)

There's something to that but pretty much everyone probably agress that some government interference in business is pretty much required to keep things in "balance" - whatever that is.

On the other hand, the underdog corporation is always the our favorite poster child for "The American Way/Dream/etc". Unless said corporation actually manages to follow through on their business plan and make it to the top. Then suddenly they become our new evil overlords and everything they do (even though they've been doing it for years) is anti-competitive.

In simplest terms, "nobody likes a winner".

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (1)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403864)

The government's role is to protect property rights and fraud. But you are right. Every always excuses the Big Dogs of doing something 'evil', rather than providing a much needed good to their consumers, which is largely the case.

Re:Fuck Antitrust Laws! (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403911)

Oh, god, here we go again.

Yup! The same government that created one of the most famous of all monopolies and enforces it by preventing competition. Not a very useful law.

That makes no sense. The postal service is a government function. That's why congress was given the sole authority to create a postal service in the Constitution. Don't see people raising their own for-profit armies in the US, do you?

You're not laughing.

Yes I am. You amuse me.

If it weren't so common for government schemes to backfire completely, you'd probably think this was funny too.

That's why no government program ever works, and why we live in a squalid, impoverished anarchy.

It gets better. The antitrust laws are used against companies that practice "anticompetitive practices." What counts as "anticompetitive?" Anything aimed at doing better than your competition.

No, by that twisted logic every industry leader in every field would be the target of a federal suit.

Well, here's my last and favorite part. Even assuming that the government is right about everything (I know it's hard...just pretend), the laws are still worthless. The government assumes that if a single company becomes the sole producer in a market, they might jack up the price of their product, hurting the little guy

The laws weren't created in a vacuum--they were enacted BECAUSE of how monopolies were treating consumers.

Now, the main reason Objectivists dislike these laws is because they're a blatant initiation of force.

Objectivists don't like these laws because they're humorless, incredibly naive little people.

If a single producer jacking up his price is really the problem they're trying to solve, and given that they don't care about property rights in the slightest, why not wait until a single producer actually does do that? That's right. If they're going to trample rights, why not just wait until the "bad" thing has actually happened? By their own standards, the antitrust laws are useless.

Because prevention is better than a cure. Corporations aren't people. They shouldn't get the same rights.

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Hmmmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403542)

Oracle == Bad
PeopleSoft == Good
US == Bad.

So, this is bad.

Re:Hmmmm (1, Funny)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403582)

but what does that all add up too??

ORacle + PeopleSoft - US = Good????

Re:Hmmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403595)

30% Troll, 50% Underrated, 10% Interesting

That's better than Slashcode math.

Holes in there argument (5, Interesting)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403549)

"said the combination of Oracle and PeopleSoft would hurt competition in the market for software sold to large businesses."

So they would hurt large businesses... right and I am buying that microsoft not offering patches [slashdot.org] helps businesses.

Microsoft surrenders. (-1, Offtopic)

i_am_syco (694486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403554)

Oracle is already too big for its own good. Finally the US gov't is doing something right.

How is that OT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403709)

Off topic?!

Sorry, but.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403559)

..Larry just looks like that.
Last summer I've been on a summer trip with him on his curreny yacht and really - he just looks like that!

larry looks like. (5, Funny)

mike_scheck (512662) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403561)

His picture makes him look like "the rock". The caption under the picture should say something like "can you smell what I'm cookin".....

Re:larry looks like. (0, Offtopic)

drdanny_orig (585847) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403633)

Actually, I think if you'd put an ermine-trimmed hat on him, he'd look like Super Fly or 70s pimp.

Re:larry looks like. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403902)

Also he has the beard and haircut of the Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase - rather apt really.

"Everyone has a price for the Million Dollar Man...."

Ellison is pure evil (3, Informative)

evil-empir3 (590188) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403562)

Why isn't the /. crowd upset about this madman? *boggle*

Re:Ellison is pure evil (4, Funny)

SwansonMarpalum (521840) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403598)

Because he hates BillG and supports Linux, of course.

Re:Ellison is pure evil (5, Insightful)

oozer (132881) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403635)

Yeh, it's kind of like that "my enemy's enemy is my friend" thing. It shouldn't work like that. People should realise that companies like Oracle and Sun are just as evil as Microsoft and would easily stoop to any of the tactics that MS have employed over the years to get ahead.

Re:Ellison is pure evil (2, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403925)

I would rather deal with MS than Oracle. At least with MS you know what you're getting into. With Oracle it's about squeezing as much money as possible.

Re:Ellison is pure evil (3, Insightful)

openmtl (586918) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403871)

Because he's amusing and generally you don't get forced to use his products until you get to the top end of the market.

Joe-public all the way through mom+pop through to mini-corporates can survive quite nicely without Oracle by using more commonly available commercial or Open Source databases.

MySQL, Postgresql, Firebird (1.5 now out), ...

Ellison (5, Funny)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403569)

If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician. Now, if you but a black cape and stovepipe hat on him, he'd look exactly like Snidely Whiplash [flyingmoose.org]

Re:Ellison (1)

jwhamilton (725134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403767)

this reminds me of the picture i saw of SCO CEO Darl McBride in teh Jan 2004 issue of MaximumPC. He seriously looks like a sleezeball villian from a kids movie. Of course right next to him they have a pic of Sam Palmisano from IBM that isn't exactly flattering. He looks like a poster boy for geeks...

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Proof (5, Insightful)

faldore (221970) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403580)

Where's the proof? I think before the feds stomp in to throw their weight around in the business arena, they better have a damn good reason they're spending my tax dollars to mess with the free market. And they'd better be prepared to prove it.

Re:Proof (4, Informative)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403677)

A post that was quickly modded down had similar arguments, albeit more agressive:
http://solohq.com/Articles/Rowlands/Antitrust_Laws --A_Joke.shtml

Proof-Protecting Investments. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403684)

The government uses a lot of PeopleSoft. The Oracle/PeopleSoft merger would hurt them.

BTW There's no such thing as the "free market".

Oracle still gets the benefits (5, Insightful)

kbeech (660054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403584)

Since the threat of takeover looms until the case is resolved, or they drop their takeover bid, Oracle gets 'vaporware' benefits from having it out there, since long-term support for Peoplesoft products is threatened by the takeover, making potential customers wary of making a decision to buy now.

Re:Oracle still gets the benefits (1)

Burlynerd (535250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403645)

Re: "long-term support for Peoplesoft products is threatened by the takeover, making potential customers wary of making a decision to buy now"

Don't forget the promise that Peoplesoft made to its customers to pay them some nice cash if Oracle comes in and cancels their products. I think that actually convinced some customers to buy who weren't even interested before.

Re:Oracle still gets the benefits (5, Interesting)

saitoh (589746) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403654)

Well, not really. (If Peoplesoft publicised this better it probably would help quell fears, but anyway, thats a different problem).

Peoplesoft has a golden clause in their company constitution that states along the lines of:

"If a hostile takeover is done, support must be granted for all customers within the last X years or a full refund of the receipt price will be granted"

Got that tidbit from my advisor who worked with Peoplesoft at NAU university with a beta development team.

-- Page

Re:Oracle still gets the benefits (3, Interesting)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403739)

Parent is right. It's total FUD. If you're trying to make a buying decision between Peoplesoft and Oracle this makes Peoplesoft look much more uncertain. There may be a golden clause that enforces support for some period of time. But that doesn't mean that the PeopleSoft software will flourish in the future if Oracle buys it. It's like telling a little kid that if his parents are killed in a car crash, he won't starve, because there's always the orphanage. All sales decisions are made emotionally anyway, people just do due dilligence to cover their butts. Stuff like this matters. At the start of 2003 my company went through a grueling selection process, ultimately deciding between PeopleSoft and Oracle. If this were going on then it would have had an impact on the decision.

Comical or not... (5, Funny)

avalys (221114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403585)

Also, the photo of Ellison is kind of comical. If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician.

A circus magician...with a net worth of about $15 billion.

Re:Comical or not... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403610)

a net worth of about $15 billion

Are you dyslexic?!? It's $51 billion!!! And don't you forget it!

Larry

One strange-lookin' dude (4, Funny)

Atario (673917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403735)

He always looks comical to me. Like some kind of CEO-bot from the year 4000. I keep expecting his face shield to spring off to reveal metal and LEDs and servomotors. Either that or he gets a scratch on his cheek which reveals that his facial hair is actually painted on.

money != success (4, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403742)

A circus magician...with a net worth of about $15 billion.

...who is also widely considered to be a complete nutcase and space-shot, with little credibility. He may be worth $15B, but who gets more press? He's widely ignored, because many concepts he's tried to champion have not just failed, they've imploded before they even left the launch pad. The whole thin-client netpc is a great example.

He's just too goddamned impressed with himself, and the picture is a perfect example of that attitude, and I'm sure it was selected(or provided) for that reason. The comparison to The Rock was perfect. Like Trump, Gates, Jobs, Fiorina- any time the focus shifts from someone's talents and qualifications to their personality, you've got yourselves a genuine cult figure and some serious problems. Things are all happy-shiny while the money's pouring in...but when the -water- starts leaking in, everyone's too busy looking at how great Master is to bail, and often even when the water's up to their necks they don't realize it's really time to mutiny, or jump ship altogether. One man or woman does not make an organization, and many a corporation has discovered the dangers of simply rubber-stamping and worshipping a central figure. Boards, VP's, etc all exist exactly to prevent this sort of thing.

Frankly, what amazes me the most is that there isn't a massive explosion when he and Steve Jobs are in the same room at Apple board meetings- Steve's Reality Distortion Field meets the Ellison Ego Field.

Lastly, never confuse wealth with success. Some of the world's richest people are miserable failures as human beings. I could name a dozen people I respect far more than Ellison, or any executive officer of any corporation.

Re:money != success (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403764)

I hear he's also a terrible magician.

Re:money != success (4, Interesting)

Nexum (516661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403789)

Ellison is no longer on the board of directors [internetnews.com] at Apple.

Don't bash him though, in my opinion the guys a great lot of fun - apparently he has been known to fly his Russian built fighter over Gate's house to piss him off.

So he has a big ego too.

As for his credentials and people slagging Ellison for the thinPC/thinClient/netPC idea, it really wasn't a bad idea, but was put out of the water by the dramatically falling price of normal PC's. On other matters he's been right on the ball - convergence in enterprise apps for example in the 11i suite - it's going to make increasing inroads into systems integrators territory such as IBM if it continues along its current path of success.

Plus he's best mates with Steve, between them you can bet this dynamic duo get up to a lot of fun (Google for the trick they played on a technician at Pixar - offering him the CEO job at Apple).

Re:money != success (1)

blorf (446394) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403878)

"circus assclown" is a more accurate description.

Here's our retarded cousin larry, he's a CEO! Say hi, larry!

Odd. (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403601)

Considering the outcome of the Microsoft antitrust trial I thought the DoJ and present administration were friendly towards mega corporations.

Maybe Larry doesn't contribute enough towards ... uh .. certain funding. Then again, maybe PeopleSoft has connections.

After the spying on the UN scandals in the news this morning my head is swimming.

Re:Odd. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403694)

Just goes to show how selective law enforcement is when it comes to these issues. Oracle buying Peoplesoft is bad, but Fox buying Directv is OK?

Clearly, Ellison is considered too much of a loose canon to get his deal approved by the DOJ, or he aint greasin' the right wheels.

Re:Odd. (4, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403721)

I think Ellison is a democrat.

But also think of the sweetheart pricing on Oracle the feds can "negotiate" as part of the "settlement."

Other than that, I really have a hard time figuring out why they wouldn't so much as whimper through the entire HP/Compaq merger, and decide to speak up now. There is either more to the story, or someone in the department finally has a pair.

Oh, right, this is an election year...

Re:Odd. (2, Interesting)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403904)

HP and Compaq are merely 2 of a plethora of other computer manufacturers. Peoplesoft has always said that there are only 3 companies in their line of business. Merging with Oracle would leave only 2. Same reason they nixed the Office Depot/Staples merger, there are only 3 companies: merging two would eliminate one of them (notwithstanding the fact that you can get a lot of the stuff they sell from Wal-Mart or Best Buy).

The Justice Dept is too literal in their readings sometimes. They nixed the DirecTV/Dish Network merger because there are only 2 companies in the field, somehow not realizing that a merged satellite company would still have to compete against Cable.

Oracle's Evil ERP Empire (5, Insightful)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403603)

I'm glad to see this! The Justice Department decision may have come after a big campaign from PeopleSoft, but that doesn't mean that blocking it is a bad thing for consumers. Working on Oracle Applications is like working in a gold mine: you've got to sift through 20 tons of mud to get 6 ounces of gold. Oracle needs healthy competition, and it could become a monopoly. I'd hate to see it become the the Microsoft of the ERP market.

Re:Oracle's Evil ERP Empire (0)

Genady (27988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403894)

PREACH IT BORTHA! As someone who has slowly been sucked into supporting FinApps (Er... E-Business Suite) I finally figured out what that smell was when I dug into iAS. FinApps isn't a pile of mud. It's a pile of... nitrogen rich mud.

Stock Price (5, Insightful)

nija (667087) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403605)

Orcl - 13.27 down .01
PSFt - 21.78 down .35

I'm going to make a prediction that because of this the news, Psft's prices are going to go up and Orcl will go down.

PeopleSoft has been fighting this tooth and nail. They actually seem like they want the keep the company. As opposed to just wanting to cash out and saying screw the people.

From this prespective, it seems like a Corporation is stucking UP to the Big Guy, instead of sticking it TO the little guy.

Re:Stock Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403923)

guess not, eh?

# ORCL 13.28 +0.09 (0.68%)
# PSFT 21.78 -0.35 (-1.58%)

Yipie ki yay motherf*cker (0, Funny)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403611)

Ellison == Hans Gruber

Ellison has always creeped me out. And not in a good way. Kinda like Gates does.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403730)

No kidding... Interesting the moderation on this one. Even the main post was discussing Larry after all.

All well... funny stuff

Shoot my dog will you... (5, Informative)

saitoh (589746) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403620)

This shouldnt happen, but for different reasons (other then I'm working with PSoft at my uni, but anyway).

Ellison and his company bungled this one big time. They badmouthed the company, and on Larry King Live, Oracle openly stated that they would kill off the PS product line after the take over (besides the kill clause in their constitution which they didnt research, it was just a bad PR move). With Sparky being the job runner in earlier PeopleSoft releases, Conway made an interesting analogy that they were going to shoot his dog, and I can remember at the 2003 Peoplesoft Conference in the fall that Conway walked out on stage with his dog (both wearing a bullet proof vest), and proclaimed that he would not let his dog be shot and the crowd went wild.

This deal was just destined not to happen after Oracle's management bungled it. Read over at itmanagersjournal for an interesting history lesson at why they bungled it.

-- Page

Re:Shoot my dog will you... (5, Interesting)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403805)

Perhaps this deal was meant to be bungled?

If Oracle intended this whole deal as FUD to encourage people not to buy PeopleSoft, they couldn't have done a better job.

One of the main things people look for when they buy ERP software is longevity in the software package, and knowledge that the software will flourish in the future. This deal casts a tremendous doubt on PeopleSoft in that regard. So just the talk of this alone helps Oracle tremendously in their competition with PeopleSoft.

Re:Shoot my dog will you... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403850)

Oracle is not only battling Peoplesoft's tenacious shareholders, but the big Tech Ed userbase that does not want to spend millions to convert their systems to Oracle.

This impacts taxpayers too as some govermental districs and departments are also Peoplesoft clients.

If Oracle wants to do this, they need to consider the cost of conversion or they will continue to meet with resistance from the users as well as the shareholders.

I've said it once... (4, Funny)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403628)

...and I'll say it again. Ellison looks exactly like what you'd expect Satan to look like. All he needs is to add some horns.

Re:I've said it once... (1, Funny)

djeaux (620938) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403685)

Ellison looks exactly like what you'd expect Satan to look like. I never saw any resemblance between Larry Ellison & Bill Gates... Except, of course, that they're both insanely wealthy...

FRESHMEAT ENDORSES G.N.A.A !!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403639)

(this was submitted as a slashdot article but no luck so far...) Yes, all you mother fucking gay niggers out there... freshmeat.net will now endorse your local rallys and political campaigns. Read more here [freshmeat.net] . All that remains to be known is whether or not Freshmeat will partner with the Goatse.cx guys. We await more new with baited breath!

Can we say the word? (0, Offtopic)

Slashcrunch (626325) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403646)

Also, the photo of Ellison is kind of comical. If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician.

After recent court action regarding a distro from France, would it be legal for us to say he might be compared to M@ndr@ke the Magician in appearance?

Circus Magician? (5, Funny)

joshmoh (708871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403681)

So how many of you read the article just to see Ellison's photo?

I'll be honest. I did.

The corollary: (1, Funny)

TheTranceFan (444476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403900)

So how many of you clicked that OSDN Personals ad at the top of the page in the hope of seeing another picture of that sexy brunette?

Be honest. You did.

Practical reason for stopping Oracle (5, Insightful)

JDRipper (610930) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403687)

I work for a major university in California. We're currently implenting Peoplesoft's Student Administration product. (Which is a giant piece of crap BTW, but it's better than other products out there. I wish we had developed our own solution.) If Oracle buys out Peoplesoft, we would have to spend millions to get a new product. (We don't believe Larry when he says that Oracle will continue to support Peoplesoft's products.) If you consider that this software is used by a large number of schools in the US, you can figure out that this will be a HUGE expense (Hundreds of millions of dollars) for all these schools to switch to some new product in a few years. Who will pay this cost? You will. Either in school bonds or higher student fees. Larry ain't gonna pay for it. He's got to pay for his jet fuel.

Circus magician vs VEGAS magician (5, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403689)

If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician.

No no no. If he was a circus magician, then Oracle's products would be affordable.

He's clearly a Vegas Magician. Same act, but the ticket costs $120 instead of $6.

Peoplesoft? (3, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403736)

This has been bugging me for a while now, and all the articles and things I've read seem to think it's a given.

WTF does peoplesoft do? Software vendor? What software?

Re:Peoplesoft? (5, Informative)

jours (663228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403774)

This has been bugging me for a while now...

...but not long enough to RTFA.

"PeopleSoft and one other firm--SAP--are the only companies that compete with each other to develop and sell enterprise human resource management and financial services software for large businesses and government and nonprofit organizations"

Not a Circus Magician... (1)

TheTranceFan (444476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403813)

Dude, in case no one told you, Larry Ellison is the devil . Ask anyone who works there ;-)

Re:Not a Circus Magician... (4, Funny)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403849)

Better yet, ask anyone who used to work there... anybody still working there is under strict instructions not to reveal Ellison's true identity...

or can you imagine... (3, Funny)

Sanksa Wott (680705) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403818)

"Also, the photo of Ellison is kind of comical. If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician."

Can you SMELL what Larry Ellison is COOKIN*' ?!!
*single eyebrow shoots up

Shaving is like working... (-1, Offtopic)

asternick (532121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403820)

Do a little every day, or you're a bum. This is something my grandmother told my father when he was courting my mother. He showed up unshaven and she did not approve.

(plus one InformaTive) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8403827)

Fuck ThE Baby Tops responsibility

Reasonable application of antitrust law (5, Insightful)

mbrother (739193) | more than 10 years ago | (#8403866)

Oracle has made it clear their plan is to take Peoplesoft apart and get access to their customer base for Oracle software, phasing out Peoplesoft entirely. They basically want to buy Peoplesoft to eliminate a competitor, leaving the market to Oracle and SAS (the European gorilla in the field). This is not good for Peoplesoft or Peoplesoft customers (and there are a *lot* of them out there) or the market in general. This is only good for Oracle (duh). Many hear complain about Microsoft -- well, do you want another Microsoft in the tech field? Larry Ellison does. The US Government does not. By the way, the Peoplesoft stock price going down instead of jumping to 26 (the Oracle bid) says what the market thinks about the takeover happening.
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