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U.S. is World Leader in Spam

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the everyone's-good-at-something dept.

Spam 398

adept256 writes "Sophos outs 'dirty dozen' spam producing countries. And the USA is in the lead by a country mile. 'The United States is far and away the worst offender, accounting for nearly 60 percent of the world's spam. Even though European countries are responsible for less spam, they are still generating millions of junk emails a day,' said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos."

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Connection.... (0, Interesting)

Piethon (748147) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407575)

I wonder if this proves a connection between industrial pollution and virtual pollution?

Re:Connection.... (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407826)

Only if the pollution you refer to consists of carpet bombing, fragmentation bombs, depleted uranium grenades or anti-personal mines.

WAY TO GO, UNCLE SAM !

So much for the AXIS OF EVIL... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407579)

...and its spamming leader.

Re:So much for the AXIS OF EVIL... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407595)

Damn you... I was going to say exactly the same thing!

Re:So much for the AXIS OF EVIL... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407680)

Cool!

Now if someone could tell me how to filter emails from the US without using WMD's and my life would be perfect!

Re:So much for the AXIS OF EVIL... (5, Insightful)

mwood (25379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407701)

Nah, it's just because we have so many more computers for the bad guys to zombify. (Or, more or less equivalently, we have so many more clueless computer owners.)

Nigeria? (3, Insightful)

slipgun (316092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407591)

Surely Nigeria should be on that list, with all its bank account spams?

Re:Nigeria? (5, Funny)

Dr Tall (685787) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407608)

What are you talking about? I should be getting my million dollars from Nigeria in the mail next week!

Re:Nigeria? (5, Informative)

cfradenburg (592693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407662)

This isn't who is writing the email is. It's where the computer that sends it out is. The article mentions that Russia should be higher on the list but a lot of SPAM is sent through compromised computers in America.

The report isn't really valid (5, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407707)

For example, a Nigerian email sent from a hotmail/yahoo account (they almost all are) would seemingly, by this standard, come from the US.

And then there's the thing they themselves point out; their methods of determining origin only go so far, hijacked machines / email routers configured to "wash" the headers of relayed stuff also go a long way to making the numbers invalid.

I still say the ultimate revenge is to paper-spam the big spammers. Sign them up for hundreds of thousands of magazines and all the rest.

The coup de grace would be then to package and mail a spammer the contents of my cats' litterbox the day after feeding them beef 'n' bean leftovers.

While they're at it... (5, Insightful)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407593)

...maybe Sophos could also get around to changing their default "notify recipient" setting on their email virus scanner.

That way, Sophos themselves might produce a little less spam...

Gee! yah think? (0, Insightful)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407594)

I mean, of course the most spam comes from the USA! Highest concentration of 'net users here yah know. USA generates 60% of spam but I bet the USA has a higher percentage of the network as well.

Its no supprise. (5, Insightful)

psycht (233176) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407596)

So many broadband & other high-speed connections left wide open that can relay data.

Re:Its no surprise. (1, Interesting)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407657)

Don't forget the main force behind spam, Microsoft.

It's those MS machines on broadband that are hacked into spamming zombies.

Help! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407599)

I came home early from school today and caught my sister's babysitter masturbating with a cucumber! What should I do?!

Re:Help! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407639)

Join in, then either put the cucumber in her ass or eat it, you pick.

Niggers ate my balls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407603)

it's true!

penis (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407604)

ENLARGE YOUR PENIS!!!!!

Re:penis (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407660)

Why?

Re:penis (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407749)

I haven't got a penis, you insensitive clod!

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Re:Macslash Engrish Rant - we luv ben! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407681)

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Why am I not surprised (5, Interesting)

lavalyn (649886) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407610)

Spamming computers may appear to be foreign, but in the end, it's nearly always an American source. Or from the Netherlands for some reason in those stupid 419s.

If you're not blacklisting from Spamhaus's SBL+XBL of spam outfits & open relays, and dialup pools, those ones are natural things to start blocking on connect.

Re:Why am I not surprised (4, Informative)

Flyboy Connor (741764) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407871)

Not so many anymore from the Netherlands since the police came down hard on a group of about fifty 419 spammers in Amsterdam.

Phear Canada (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407617)


While you Americans are spamming the world, we Canucks are gulping down herbal viagra, slathering growth cream on our willies and Making Money Fast.. Laugh at us, will you?!

Need legal backing (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407628)

I'm all for the initiatives been taken by Yahoo etc to try and put a stop to spam by making sure the email protocols are up to scratch.

This needs doing anyway... ...but the REAL answer is to arrst the ******** who are sending this stuff and throw them in jail !

I don't understand why this is SO difficult !!!!

Much from compromised computers (4, Interesting)

AlecC (512609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407630)

Reading the article, a more interesting point is that at least 30% - which probably accounts for a large slice of the US end European contribution - is from compromised machines. They believe most of those are directed from Russia.

Aside from the absence of Russia, the only thing I find surprising about the list is the high position of Canada - second, 6.8%. Given Canad's relatively small population, that must make them the leader in spam-per-capita - an unpleasant distinction.

Re:Much from compromised computers (4, Funny)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407763)

Aside from the absence of Russia, the only thing I find surprising about the list is the high position of Canada - second, 6.8%. Given Canad's relatively small population, that must make them the leader in spam-per-capita - an unpleasant distinction.

/me can't stop humming of that "Blame Canada" song from the South Park movie, and anticipating the inevitable "Spam Wars".

Actually, that'd be a damn good title for a movie.

Hey, it's Friday, cut me some slack. ;)

Re:Much from compromised computers (3, Funny)

slipgun (316092) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407790)

"Say Terrance, what did the Spanish priest say to the Iranian gynocologist?"

canada's population (4, Interesting)

Reinout (4282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407768)

Canada's population [statcan.ca] is 31.6 million (2003).

I looked at it as I wondered whether the Netherlands (16 million) would win in the spam/capita contest. Nah, canada wins. 3x the spam, 2x the population.

Reinout

Re:Much from compromised computers (5, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407782)

high position of Canada
Well, taking my twenty-odd thousand spams as a sample, a lot of Canadian spams come from compromised machines at shawcable / shaw.caclient*.comcast.net and attbi.com, the abuse departments are too lazy^H^H^H^Hoverwhelmed to do anything about them (even easy solutions, such blocking port 25 and insisting mail is relayed through their own SMTP servers, which would kill this spam stone dead at a stroke).

Re:Much from compromised computers (5, Interesting)

rm007 (616365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407815)

the only thing I find surprising about the list is the high position of Canada - second, 6.8%. Given Canad's relatively small population, that must make them the leader in spam-per-capita - an unpleasant distinction

Not so surprising, the figure is not really out of whack. While the population is a little more than one tenth - 32 million vs 292 million - higher internet usage levels, especially broadband penetration probably accounts for some of why the Canadian figure is not closer to the 5.7 - 5.9% that you might expect. As other posters have noted, normalizing the data would have helped make more sense of the of the numbers that they present. At any rate, it is safe to assume that too many Canadians and Americans do not secure their computers properly if compromised machines account for so much of the spam.

Re:Much from compromised computers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407857)

Canada is about the same as the US per capita. The US is almost 9 times bigger (in population) and it's accounting for around 8 times as much SPAM as Canada.

I THOUGHT CHINAMEN WERE THE LEADERS IN SPAM! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407631)

No.1 sender and hardest to block (3, Insightful)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407633)

Most European countries spam can be dealt with by blocking all the Top-Level Domains except the ones you deal with (Turkey, Germany and Italy in my case)

However so many European companies use the .com TLD as to make blocking it impossible due to the amount of essential email that would be stopped.

I wish that the USA had a TLD that was only used there - it would make things so much easier...

Re:No.1 sender and hardest to block (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407760)

> I wish that the USA had a TLD that was only used there - it would make things so much easier...

I wish there was a TLD that was only used by spammers - it would make things so much easier...

Re:No.1 sender and hardest to block (1)

ArseneLupin (743401) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407788)

I wish that the USA had a TLD that was only used there - it would make things so much easier...

Indeed. Right now I have several lines such as the the following in my /etc/mail/access:

From:cl ERROR:"666 No hablos espanol"
From:br ERROR:"666 No hablo portugues"

Too bad, I can't give the worst offender the same treatment!

Re:No.1 sender and hardest to block (2, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407822)

You mean like .us ? That's the top level domain for the United States. There's a list here [edu-cyberpg.com]

Re:No.1 sender and hardest to block (4, Interesting)

Troed (102527) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407824)

.us ... you might want to think twice about why US companies aren't using it - and about whether companies all over the world are evil when they (also) want to use .com

In my opinion.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407635)

..spam is not nearly as bad as webdesign gone horribly wrong [geocities.com].

Who Is Surprised By This? (-1, Offtopic)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407640)

Considering the U.S. is the World Leader in just about everything else (technology, medicine, entertainment, finance, etc. the least goes on and on).

We're the richest, most powerful, most prosperous country in the history of mankind. You can just add this to the list that the US leads in. Leading in spam is a small price to pay for this.

Re:Who Is Surprised By This? (-1, Troll)

zeux (129034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407766)

We're the richest, most powerful, most prosperous country in the history of mankind. You can just add this to the list that the US leads in. Leading in spam is a small price to pay for this.

Which is because you are financed by all the others countries in the World. Do you know what the national debt means? It means you bought an amount of 7 000 billions of goods to other countries without paying them. You owe that money to the rest of the World and it's the biggest debt the world has ever seen.

Easy to be World's first when you can print as many Dollar bills as you want without creating domestic inflation.

Read the link in my sig to understand that and to see what will happen when the world decides to stop using only the Dollar as a reserve currency.

Re:Who Is Surprised By This? (4, Insightful)

akadruid (606405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407767)

...We're the richest, most powerful, most prosperous country in the history of mankind...Leading in spam is a small price to pay...

Dream on sunshine. Ever heard of the Roman Empire? Greeks? British? Germans? Even the French were more powerful in their day. You have some of North America, a little in the Middle East, and not a lot more. The greatest spammer in the history of mankind is not really an accolade to stand in the history books. In time, people will look back and say 'So they were number 1 in a well contended field for a short time... so what?'. You got a way to go yet sunshine. Don't think that one half-assed victory in the middle will make the emperors of old start saying 'Fuck me, wish we'd had that 'e-mail spam' thing to go along with our might legions'.

Damn I just realised I got trolled properly there.

well... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407641)

at least we're the leader in something these days; seems we suck at everything else anymore...

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407874)

Not per capita. Canada is a better spammer per capita. Oh and China hardly spams at all

When was this sample taken? (5, Insightful)

nebaz (453974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407642)

I wonder if the recently passes Federal Anti-Spam legislation has had any effect on these numbers. Obviously not a big enough one, since according to these figures, so much spam still comes from the U.S. If these numbers can be tabulated, can they not also report the offenders to the police?

I also wonder if there is any way to bring the issue of unprotected computers to the public. Perhaps negligence penalties of some sort? I don't want to punish the wrong people, but it would be a lot harder to hack into all of these systems if they were administered properly.

Re:When was this sample taken? (1)

lavalyn (649886) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407844)

you mean the YOU-CAN-SPAM bill?

NANAE reports suggest that they have quite an effect. Increasing the amount of spam. After all, now only ISPs can bring legal action against spammers.

Of course we are... (-1, Offtopic)

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Spam from US servers (3, Insightful)

YAN3D (552691) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407652)

Could be that most spam is coming from US servers is because the US owns most of the IP addresses.

I would have sworn it was CN, TW, KR and similar (3, Insightful)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407653)

I guess I haven't bothered to track back much of my incoming spam lately. A couple of years ago, I tried to find the origin for each spam I received and, at the time, they mostly came from China, Korea, and S. American countries from ill configured computers running as open relays.

I guess, with the 'spam mafia' installing these zombies on Grandma's computer, the countries with the largest population of lusers online will be the larger sources of spam.

Re:I would have sworn it was CN, TW, KR and simila (5, Informative)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407791)

A lot comes from Asian computers, but if you look into the spam itself (what it sells -> who is actually selling it), most comes in fact from the US.

How about normalizing that data? (5, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407656)

Yes, so the US generates 60% of the world's spam. However, what fraction of the world's total email traffic does the US generate? I bet it's near 60%.

Without having some idea of what fraction of a country's email traffic is spam, these numbers just tell you which countries have a bigger internet presence, and absolutely nothing more.

Re:How about normalizing that data? (2, Informative)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407726)

B.S.

it isn't a case of "one spam for every x legitimate emails"

the number of spam emails and legitimate emails are completely unrelated.

Re:How about normalizing that data? (2, Interesting)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407737)

Excelent point but I think that that data could also be expanded even more. Think about having stats on some of the following items.

Number of computers on internet
NUmber of computers with high speed internet
Number of computers with upto date antivirus and patches
you get the picture

with a little more indepth research i think you have an excelent analysis of the spam epidemic and maybe be even able to more effectively battle it if we had the right statistics.

Re:How about normalizing that data? (5, Interesting)

g0qi (577105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407747)

For too long, US Sys & Law Administrators have taken cover saying that the source of spam is almost always foreign and there's nothing they can do about it. This article is the wake up call. It doesn't matter what email traffic the US generates, but it just proves that much of the spam is from within.

Re:How about normalizing that data? (3, Interesting)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407859)

For too long, US Sys & Law Administrators have taken cover saying that the source of spam is almost always foreign and there's nothing they can do about it. This article is the wake up call. It doesn't matter what email traffic the US generates, but it just proves that much of the spam is from within.

That's an interesting take, and if true it's the only take-home lesson - that over half of US spam is generated from within.

However, to look at this from yet another angle, who's "responsible" for spam - the sender or the asshat who left his server open? And which are they tracking? (I'm presuming servers).

I'd like to see a split of legal and illegal spam, ie cases where a server was or wasn't hijacked. I'd also like to see spam as a total fraction of a nation's mail - sent and/or received.

So you are saying.... (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407860)

Yes, so the US generates 60% of the world's spam. However, what fraction of the world's total email traffic does the US generate? I bet it's near 60%.

Without having some idea of what fraction of a country's email traffic is spam, these numbers just tell you which countries have a bigger internet presence, and absolutely nothing more.
.... that there is a direct correlation between the amount of spam generated by a nation and the percentage it creates of the total amount of world Email. In other words if a nation generates x% of spam it must also generate x% of the world email traffic. It would thus follow, by your logic, that 280+ million Americans produce 60% of the world E-mail while 200+ million Germans French and English are responsible for only 1.83%+1.50%+1.31%=4.64% of it? That seems a bit far fetched to me. You should rethink this theory, we Europeans may not be quite as advanced as you North Americans but we do not live in the stone age either.

should we wonder? (1)

kyshtock (608605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407658)

The ideea behind spam is that the spammer can get payed. Since the stuff advertised is occidental, the companies that pay are likely to be occidental, and they are likely to pick fellow countrymen to do the spam.

Follow the money, apply some fines, and see the spam going down. Or, maybe, just maybe, US should invade America? :)

Re:should we wonder? (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407759)

I can see the headlines now in slashdot, GWB declares North Dakota part of the axis of evil for its participation in vast and deplorable involvement in the deteriation of e-mail.

Ha! Get Told. (-1, Flamebait)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407659)

stick that in your pipe and smoke it all those people who shouted "what's the point in laws against spam most of it's from foreign countries!"

shame the CAN-SPAM act fucked everything up.

Re:Ha! Get Told. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407787)

God Bless the USA, where the truth is Flaimbait.

I thought as much (3, Funny)

alkali (28338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407661)

*No one* spells English as badly as we Americans do.

Re:I thought as much (4, Funny)

perly-king-69 (580000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407811)

And to prove it, you have a wonderfully syntactically challenged President.

Misunderestimated

The inhabitants of Greece are Grecians.

higher bandwidth = more spam (0, Insightful)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407663)

spammers in US also have easy access to higher bandwidth, than any other country.

Huge numbers of spamming trojans (1, Funny)

Elanthius (525620) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407675)

Is this because America is the world's leading source of haxored Windows machines with spam backdoors?

Poor research... (4, Interesting)

Genjurosan (601032) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407688)

The article indicates that the 'researchers' spent two days collecting information.

Only two days of research is a lame attempt at a research project.

For all we know, those responsible could alternate source every other week, thus invalidating this 'insightful' conclusion.

Also, the article fails to mention how they are so positive of the origin. Who knows how many open relays the spammers use.

I'd believe an article that indicates that the US has more open relays than any other country, as I would venture a guess that it's relative to total number of computers wired to the net.

my 2c

Re:Poor research... (1)

lavalyn (649886) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407872)

Open Relays pose problems when reading the SMTP headers, but since the spam is going to have links somewhere, you can track it down, and automate it. Assuming you have a fairly wide pipe, you can crawl the sites of each spam you get, do the appropriate whois, and find quite a bit of detail.

Or just feed an IP address to spews or spamhaus and see what comes back.

Blame Russia (4, Funny)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407692)

Well the article also points out that much of the spam may orriginate in Russia from the hackers there. Who then subsequently take advantage of zombie machines in countries like the USA.

Well just dont let GWB learn of this, just what we need him to do, start a new cold war over spam. It be his newest attempt to revitalize the economy.

Let me be the first to say... (2, Funny)

Rainier Wolfecastle (591298) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407700)

U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. Yeah! We're number one, baby! Whooo!

Re:Let me be the first to say... (4, Funny)

chamilto0516 (675640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407743)

If we were really number one, you wouldn't have just posted this here. You would have emailed it out to everyone you know and many addresses that don't exist but thought you would give them a try.

P.S. Don't use the To: field when there is a perfectly good BCC: field that will do

Question (0, Interesting)

fetus (322414) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407705)

Does this include American "Businesses" that use overseas computers for spamming?

U.S. is the world's uber polluter (0, Flamebait)

lofoforabr (751004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407710)

Just like in the real world, where it's the super environment polluter, right? I guess it's those hamburger diets affecting people's mind up there *smile*

USA! USA! (-1, Redundant)

pestie (141370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407714)

Woo-hoo! At least we're the world leader in something. I was gettin' pretty sick of reading about all those foreigners who were kicking our collective ass in math and science.

US probably creates the most email of all kinds... (1)

jstave (734089) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407717)

It would be interesting to see what percent of each country's overall email is spam. What they have there could just reflect the US's overall greater email traffic.

Made in America (5, Funny)

physicsboy500 (645835) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407724)

Wow... when I see my next ad for "enlargment pills" I'll smile with delight that the ad I'm looking at was made in America...

Did I mention that by smile I mean Be menacingly overcome... and by delight I actually mean rage... sweet glorious rage.

Another reason for my heart to swell with pride for my country

So... (4, Insightful)

Universal Nerd (579391) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407740)

Since so many USian companies block all email from the brazilian IPs should I now block all email from USian IPs?

This isn't a troll (despite sounding like one).

I'm very upset that my mail server, a very well maintained with a plethora of spam and virus filters, is blocked by asshat american sysadmins "just because we're spammers".

How has data been generated? (1)

Groote Ka (574299) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407756)

I bet they included all *.com domains in the US results. But I bet as well that they're not all located in the US.

Therefore, I don not think the results properly reflect the actual situation.

Complaints about Outsourcing? (3, Funny)

DaRat (678130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407757)

So, when are we going to start seeing the complaints about how spam company owners are outsourcing to lower cost foreign providers and taking jobs away from good, hard working US spammers?

An idea for curbing spam? (4, Insightful)

wiggys (621350) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407771)

Obviously the "war on spam" needs to be fought on legally as well as technologically (and thanks to the fucked-up CAN-SPAM act some spammers are being given the green-light to annoy the hell out of us legally).

Assuming we ever have laws in place which state that genuine opt-in lists are the only valid way to advertise products then we still cannot sue the spammers who send junk to harvested addresses because of the problems involved with tracing them.

Tracing spammers is difficult/sometimes impossible because any computer on the internet can runs its own SMTP server to send mail to anywhere on the net. 10 years ago when the net was more innocent and less commercially corrup, this was fine, but nowadays this is just too powerful.

The problem is, if some clueless person (which probably accounts for 80% of net users) has their machine compromised by a virus or trojan than their computers are used to send out the spam, and as there are no log files the spammers are virutally impossible to trace.

Now imagine if the only way to send spam was via an approved mail server. For most of us this will be our ISPs, for the rest we will simply subscribe to one of the many official trusted ones.

Now the problem of reporting spam is a lot easier - complaints will be dealt with by the trusted mail servers who keep detailed logs of which customers have logged in to send mail, what IP address they used and at what time.

It doesn't matter if the customer deliberately sent out the spam or if they had been compromised by a trojan - the trusted mail servers can deny their customers the right to send more email until they have had an assurance from their customers that the problem has been fixed.

I'm not saying this is going to end spam altogether, but it should go a long way to curbing it.

What about all the spam which originates from, say, Nigeria or Amsterdam? Simple - unless the trusted mail server takes active steps to eradicating the spam they will no longer be trusted.

Thought this was common knowledge ? (3, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407774)

The spamhaus [spamhaus.org] website has been listing the USA for a loooong time now as the #1 spam source. It's got the names of the top spammers there too...

Simon

what % of non-spam internet traffic is in the US? (2, Insightful)

websensei (84861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407786)

stats are so easy to manipulate or misinterpret.

let's assume the article is correct and 60% of the world's spam is US-based. in and of itself this is meaningless. if > 60% of the net's total content originated in the US, that would make the US better than average for its spam production.

Outsourcing Spam to the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407807)

I still have an email account in Lebanon (Middle East), and the spam that I receive now originates from the US (mostly Veriz*n) after I contacted the main local ISP (---.lb) responsible for the spam.

What the spammers did is that they are using a contact/zombie in the US since their fraud schemes are protected by law (!?) ("can spam" act and/or freedom of speech). People from the other countries are not able to stop the spam from the US using legal measures for the fear of being "Bombed" by GW :(

Spam obviously pays (3, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407825)

Having read the articles regarding the percentage rates of conversion (ie: replies to spam that turn in to orders) it obviously makes regrettable sense that sending out a gazillion junk messages will bring a financial return, yet I can't help wondering WHY the spammers think sending around 50 variants of the same message to the same inbox are likely to enhance their sales prospects? Unless of course there's 50 different spamming companies all trying to sell the same product using the same junk mail list? In my case, spambayes crushes what mailwasher hasn't caught anyway!

Di'e s'p'a'mm--'ers --d-1e.

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Spamgourmet to the rescue (spam - /dev/null) (5, Informative)

hrath (5792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407836)

One of the most effective means of dealing with Spam & when being required to hand out an email address is Spamgourmet (http://www.spamgourmet.com). You create an account and can then use unique email addresses of the form ..@spamgourmet.com . The cool thing about this is that for each email received on this account the counter is decreased and once it reaches zero all further emails will be discarded. This is great to hand out if you're ordering something from an online store and only want to receive 1-3 emails for order confirmation/shipment but not get any future spams.

The service is free and offers a couple of other neat features. I've been using it for about a year and it's been very reliable.

Highly recommended.

Heiko

Re:Spamgourmet to the rescue (spam - /dev/null) (1)

hrath (5792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407880)

Looks like the email address format got mangled. Let's try again:

keyword.counter.account@spamgourmet.com

Heiko

My experience: China and Korea are the worst (2, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407848)

This has not been my experience, maybe because my ISP more effectively blocks spam freom the U.S., but far and away the most persistent spammers I've seen for at least the last six months have been for Chinese phramacies. (Korea used to be far and away the worst, but now they're way back in second.) American ISPs (at least all the decent ones) kick spammers and spamvertised sites off their system, but the ones in China keep going and going and going.

If anyone knows a contact at chinanet.net where you can actually reach an administrator (or, better yet, one that speaks English), that would be a very useful thing to have...

Japan (1)

ByteSlicer (735276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407861)

Seeing this list makes me wonder how Japan deals with spam. It has the most dense and fastest networks in the world (often fibre glass running in the house), and computers that are continuously online are hijacked more frequently.
On second thought, maybe they just use more non-MS OSes?

The US is the world leader... (2, Interesting)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8407870)

...in a lot of crappy things.

Unfortunately, I can't afford to leave this damned country. If I could... I would. But, I have a duty to others of my kind who also feel trapped here. That duty is to try an get people who are on the fence to see the light and join our side in changing the direction that things have gone in. Trust me people, I'm willing to fight to get my country back if need be.

SPAM IS THE NEW INDUSTRY (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8407885)

That the Bush team has been talking about. Instead of engineering or manufacturing America will be known the world over for it's spam producing might. We have the leet spam skills and will continue to be competetive for several years.
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