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Mounting Evidence for Water on Mars

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the BEM dept.

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Kent Simon writes "Space.com has an interesting article discussing new evidence from the mars rovers that shows there may really be Water on Mars."

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First Early Morning Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427765)

Good Morning!

Troll? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427773)

I only said "Good Morning".

Resell? Hah! Try FREECELL! (golden trolls repost) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427833)

Dear Dr. Goatse,
I am writing to you because I am in need of legal assistance. I am currently charged with murder, burglary, terrorism, and a wide variety of charges. The story behind these accusations is somewhat longwinded, but I will attempt to describe it below:

It all started when I was a child. I was the victim of sexual abuse by a deranged, obese, elderly babysitter. This man would babysit for me when my parents went on long vacations. As soon as they left, my normally cozy home turned into a sordid den of gay rape and bestiality. The old man, who by coincidence shared the name Ike with another famous gay man from a different troll, would act normally for a few hours after my parents departed. Soon, however, he would ask me to come sit on the sofa with him and watch television. While we watched the good old sitcoms on television, he would slowly move his wrinkled old hand onto my leg. I was too small and too scared to object, and he wouldn't have cared anyway, so I ignored him and continued to watch the TV. He massage my legs, moving in higher and higher circles with his warm, delicate touch. Eventually he would come to my buttocks, where he would slide his weathered hands into my shorts and continue his massage. At this point it would become very difficult for me to watch my shows, as he would squeeze my tender young asscheeks while breathing heavily (I think the sexual excitment presented some problems for him and his pacemaker). At some point, he would flick off the TV and pull my pants off, then my shirt. His semi-bald head glistened in the afternoon sun, and his white hair was matted to his head with his sweat. He would turn me over, and continue his massage. I didn't look back at him as we would get angry if I did anything other than staring ahead and pretending that nothing was happening.

Zzzzzzzzip! His zipper, with its sound easily susceptible to onomatopoeia, flew open. A few seconds later, his shining manhood flew outwards. My young asshole would clench in nervous anticipation of his anal invasion with his nine hard, throbbing, inches of man-meat. I could hear his weazing breath as he coughed some saliva onto his penis, rubbing it to make up for its geriatric lack of virility. While he aroused himself for his rectal piracy, he slid a finger into my clenched anus. Initially, the pain seemed unbearable; however, as time went on, I gradually relaxed and even came to shove my small boyish behind back onto his intruding finger, aching for prostate stimulation. Soon it was time: he withdrew his finger, and prepped his hard manhood for its intestinal odyssey into my backdoor. My bay breath quickened, and thoughts of his cragged, veined old manhood filled my mind like a Kreskin's semen in BSD's dying bowels. I felt a warm touch against my cheeks, and soon the head of his mantruder was nestled inside of my gripping sphincter. I gasped as his throbbing virility inched into my rear passages. Slowly but surely all of his nine inches invaded my bum, and I was left impaled on him. As I mentioned, he was quite obese, so his flabby, pasty stomach with its green varicrose veins were pressed against my young back. At this point my eyes bugged out of my head as his cock buggered into my asshole. Soon the pumping began: there was some pain, and while it did multiply as time went on, the pleasure grew too, but at an exponential rate. Taking into account other factors, the overall satisfaction could be measured by the equation S(x) = GAMMA(x) - 20x, where GAMMA is the standard gamma function. As you can see, it would be only a short time (about 6 seconds) before I was in throes of esctacy. Alas; all good things must come to an end, and soon Ike was ready to shoot his seed deep into my poop chute. As his semen shot forth into the deep, moist unknown, I moaned "Oh yes!" with such a force that I could have burst through a brick wall and dispensed sugary beverages such as Kool-aid and Capri-Sun. His steaming stringy semen oozed its way in reverse through my digestive system. At this point, Ike's old heart was just about ready to give out, so he withdrew from me, his deflating tool making a popping noise as it emerged from my violated ass. He collapsed into a seething heap of ancient pedophile on my couch, as I masturbated myself to orgasm nearby, my gaping hole still wide open to the air.

Soon afterwards, he would begin the oral sex; however, I fear I am going even further offtopic than a (-1, Offtopic/Troll) post should be. It is not immidiately obvious how this affected the later events of my life, so I will simply tell you:

Eventually, Ike died of a heart attack. Apparently his morbid obesity and lack of exercise (except for child molestation) lead to complete heart faliure, and he kicked the bucket while embedded in the ass of an eight year old girl a few towns over. I had come to enjoy our sexual escapades, and I realized that I could never go for normal sex with people my own age. No, I had to succumb to the pedophilia that invaded the mind of my friend Ike. On the other hand, these escapades had caused what other would term as 'severe psychologial problems', but I would term as 'englightenment for moral nihilists'. Do not fear, my friend, as I did not turn into some sort of teenage wigger wannabe rapper quoting Nietzche and shoplifting Wriggley's Spearmeante from the local corner store. Instead, I spent my teenage years at home. At first I watched the same sitcoms that Ike and I watched when he was still alive, however, the station was soon taken off the air when they were bought out by the Kool-Aid people. This greatly irritated me, as I had been busy being raped by Ike when these shows had been on the first time, so I never got a chance to watch them all. Oh, yes, I never got a chance to masturbate while imagining the incredible incest in that second Brady Bunch movie: you remeber that scence, don't you? Where Greg and Marcia live in the attic, and Greg starts getting hard when he sees Marcia taking it off behind some sort of rotting camelskin covering seperating their sides of the bedrooms? But I digress; back to my sorry tale. When these shows were taken off the air, I am afraid that I had no choice but to retreat to my room and masturbate furiously for hours on end. With the possible exception of some cases of hemospermotomia, and the worried attitudes of my parents, I lived a happy, fulfilled life. Fulfilled except for my desire for small children to brutally rape and possibly murder then eat like a cannibal.

You might think that I got nowhere in life, and you would be fairly accurate. However, I eventually found a small cottage in a rural village somewhere out in the Midwest, in a town with many small children and trusting parents. I knew that someday I wanted to rape one of them, however, the chance never arrived. This all changed one October.

I was watching the news in my small shack, on the small TV I had bought to watch sitcoms on before I realized that broadcast TV is full of shitty reality shows and useless news like 'Madonna has baby' and 'Terrorists steal planes and hit stuff'. I noted that Halloween was approaching, and that there were a plethora of anouncements proclaiming loudly to the world that small children should be looked after, and not allowed to eat apples and dead tarantulas that people may hand out for fear of razor blades. They stated that the problem might be paticularly troublesome this year as many children were forced to trick-or-treat alone, while their parents protested the idiocy of the reality shows on televesion and some sort of war in Iraqistan or something. I realized that this presented the perfect oppurtunity for me: unsupervised children knocking on my door was as tempting and satisfying as a drink of Kool-aid right before you die in Death Valley after trying to hike through the whole thing with a paper cup of water, like that idiot on the Darwin Awards. So I carefully prepared my candy, if by candy you mean semen-filled pieces of shit that came out of my ass. The night approached; and I continued my streak of masturbating furiously, stopping to sample my candy. It wasn't bad, it was better than those coconut candy pieces of shit that they sell in those damn preppy expensive chocolate stores. I was in the middle of plunging my cock into my iron grip when my doorbell rang. I leapt out of bed, like a gay Batman impersonater on his way to Robin's Anal Virginity Party. With nothing but kind, happy, child-molesting lust in my eyes, I opened the door to see... Ike? could it really be Ike?

"Trick or treat!" exclaimed the minature demoness dressed in an old man suit. It took me a second to realize that that was not in fact Ike come back from the dead weighing 200 pounds less and being three feet shorter, but instead some sort of child whose crack-addicted mother decided that dressing her daughter as an old man was a perfectely acceptable way to costume her for Halloween. I decided right then and there that no matter how tempting the other prey I might catch that night could be, I wanted this Ike impersonater right there. I grabbed the girl, who was only seven or so, and burst back into my cottage with girl in arms. Using my shit-candy to gag her, I proceded to tie her up and drag her down into my basement. With what can only be described as loving, urging fear in her eyes, she looked at me in desperation. She must want my cock so badly, I thought to myself. I pulled her old man suit off of her, to find that she had a perfect little ass just ready for my Mantruder. As I have already described in detail the anal rape of a child, I might as well skip this part and procede to the warm afterglow in which I happily cockslapped a seven year old girl who was engaged in muffled screaming. At this point, I decided to fulfill one of my greatest fantasies: murder and then cannibalism. Grabbing my hand knife off of the wall, which I normally use to hack the tops off of wonderfully delicious bottles of Kool-aid, I ended the life of the girl quite quickly with a jab to the throat. I then proceded to slice open her stomach and feast on her insides. I cannot describe the ecstacy involved in drinking the blood and eating the internal organs of a small seven year old child who was previously dressed as my old obese gay manfriend.

After boiling the heart in steaming blood I consumed it with a side of asscandy. It was delicous. The taste was only improved by the heaping glass of red Kool-aid on the side. When I had finally finished my cannibalistic feast, I realized that I had a problem. There was a dead girl in my basement, and she would be starting to smell very soon. I realized what I had to do: dump her in the ocean. This was no easy feat, as I said I now lived in the Midwest. However, the spirit of Ike was appearing in my mind, and I realized that this was the only thing to do. Ike also told me that I needed to ensure that the girl floated back to shore, as the police needed to be investigating the dead body on the beach and not arresting John Connor for robbing a fucking vet and eating dog neutering drugs on Judgement Day. I wasn't quite sure how to accomplish this: After eating the internal organs of the girl, the lungs, which would normally cause the body to float because of air left inside of them, were now gone. I needed another way to make her float. I was walking around my basement when I happened upon a solution: a cardboard box filled with those styrofoam packing peanuts that the left-wing animal nuts seem to hate when the complain about how stupid most people are and how, just because they have an IQ between 75 and 100, they are superior to all those right-wing fundies. Knowing that the peanut box would float, I carefully made a plan to fulfill my mandate from Ike. I took the packing peanuts and forced them into the body of the little girl. I placed her into the box, and filled it with the remaining packing peanuts. Sticking the box into the back of my van, I set out on an amazing road trip equaled only by the movie Road Trip. Again, not wishing to bore you with the details, I arrived at the East Cost with Kool-Aid and dead girl in hand. Chucking the dead girl into the ocean, I quipped a "Oh, yeah!" one liner and took a delightful sip of my sugary beverage. If only there had been a brick wall, I could have burst through it and dispensed beverages in a manner similar to the metaphorical manner in which Ike's semen did the same thing many years before.

I arrived home to find that a police invesigation was taking place, but there were no suspects in the kidnapping of the little girl. Deciding to lay low, I hung out in my home for a few days watching TV. I discovered that, to my eternal delight, there was a marathon dedicated totally to the old sitcoms that I missed back in the days when Ike raped me. My mouth watering with anticipation (I had been conditioned to arousal by these shows as Ike usually raped me while they were on; Pavlov's dogs stike again, unlike that pussy Balto in the Disney movie). However, the TV had only been on for five minutes, when suddenly a fuse broke inside of the television. The joyous images on the screen faded quickly, and I was left with my heart shattered like a broken mug of Kool-Aid. Why? Why, Panasonic, why? Of all the times for my television to break, why did it have to be now? I decided that, despite the risks of going outdoors, I needed another television. I couldn't live without my sitcoms. So, I jumped back into my van, and sped away, looking for a TV to steal. I came upon a house left unguarded in the rear neighborhoods. Climbing out of my van, and climbing into the window of the house, I noticed a wonderful flatscreen TV. I quickly removed it from the wall, and retreated to my truck after making myself a nice Kool-Aid enema in the kitchen.

I returned home and flipped on my new flatscreen TV, only to find the the extraordinarily unlikely had happened: the marathon had been cancelled in favor of a news report. As if this wasn't enough, the content of the news report was enough to send me into paroxysms of rage. Apparently, the same family whose daughter disappeared on Halloween night while trick or treating had their new flatscreen TV stolen. Police suspect they may have found DNA evidence when they found what appeared to be Kool-Aid and shit splashed all over the kitchen. There was some good news, however: the marathon was being rescheduled for later that week. Unfortunately, in a completely random, unexpected, and dissapointing act of deus-ex-machina, my new also blew a fuse. I sat shocked in my chair for a moment.

Soon, however, my paroxysms of rage were back. "God damnit! All I wanted was to watch my sitcoms!" I screamed. Soon, however, a plan formed in my mind. I could send my TV in for repair to Panasonic (I couldn't send in the new flatpanel as the evil RFID would let them identify it as stolen). All I needed was to pack the TV back into the original box and ship it away to Panasonic headquarters. I raced downstairs to find the TV box. As you may have already guessed, I didn't find it. It only took a moment before I realized exactly where the TV box was: in the Atlantic ocean, with a dead girl inside of it. "Nooooooooooooo!" I screamed. Now I had no chance of getting my TV repaired, and I would never see my sitcoms as the police were likely to find me before there was another marathon. The sheer hatred for Panasonic and their shoddy manufacturing rushed through my veins like tasty, refreshing Kool-Aid rushing down my throat. All I wanted was one thing: To have my vengeance against Panasonic and the trouble they caused me.

In a few minutes, I was down at the hardware store buying that same fertilizer that Tim McVeigh used when he wanted to go blow up some other, non-Panasonic building. As I was packing my truck with the fertilizer, Ike appeared to me. "Take these blasting caps; thou shalt need them for thy bombing of the Panasonic." So I stuck them in my van, and I was off to Panasonic headquarters. A few hours later, I parked my van outside the Panasonic headquarters. After running off a suitible distance, I detonated the bomb, taking out all those shoddy TV bastards once and for all. Needless to say, I was arrested soon afterwards.

Well, that concludes my woeful tale. Could you please give me a recomendation as to what I should do in this situation? Plead insanity, perhaps? Or go to prision and spend my spare time trolling Slashdot?

Sincerely,
The Messiah of Our Lord Ike the Obese Pedophile

Re:First Early Morning Post (-1, Offtopic)

anish1411 (671295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427868)

It afternoon here in the UK, you insensitive clod!

Re:First Early Morning Post (-1, Offtopic)

venomix (87217) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427885)

Afternoon? I'm in Sweden and it's early morning (soon 1 PM) here =)

Tell news (-1, Troll)

quigonn (80360) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427768)

Sorry, but the ESA orbiter showed this more than a month ago. NASA is just too late.

Re:Tell news (3, Funny)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427784)

Yep, just like that other NASA falsehood that the Spirit rover dug the first artificial hole in Mars recently, when we know that the European Beagle lander did that late last year.

Jolyon

Re:Tell news (4, Informative)

ColaMan (37550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427900)

How about the viking landers in '76?
They had a little scoop so they could get some soil and perform tests for life.

Re:Tell news (4, Interesting)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427786)

There's a bit of a difference between an orbiter and a rover located on the actual planet.

I doubt you this kind of evidence from an orbiter:
Other images show the rover tracks clearly are being made in "mud", with water being pressed out of that material, Levin said. "That water promptly freezes and you can see reflecting ice. That's clearly ice. It could be nothing else," he said, "and the source is the water that came out of the mud."

Re:Tell news (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427863)

I doubt you this kind of evidence from an orbiter:


"Other images show the rover tracks clearly are being made in "mud", with water being pressed out of that material, Levin said. "That water promptly freezes and you can see reflecting ice. That's clearly ice. It could be nothing else," he said, "and the source is the water that came out of the mud."


That's not evidence, that's a hypothesis that has yet to be tested.

Re:Tell news (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427788)

Indeed. I submitted a story about the ESA's orbiter finding water on Mars months ago, but it was rejected. It's called "Not Discovered Here" syndrome.

Re:Tell news (-1, Troll)

quigonn (80360) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427827)

And I wrote a little article in my weblog why ESA's mission is superior to NASA's mission:
http://synflood.at/blog/index.php?m=2004 01#90

Re:Tell news (0, Insightful)

anandcp (617121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427850)

Read the blog. Good one. But then americans have always claimed they invented the rail engine, airplane and submarine! No surprise in that

Re:Tell news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427982)

you are dumb

Re:Tell news (5, Insightful)

mike3411 (558976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427913)

wow what a stupid post & argument. i dont mean to sound argumentative, but you provide almost no support for your conclusion that "ESA's mission is superior to NASA's mission". First let me say the ESA mission is important and useful. Remote mapping of the surface will help researcers understand martian geography, helping to locate points of interest, understanding weather paterns, and learning more about the geographic changes the planet may have undergone over the past few thousand years.

But the US mission is also very valuable. You ask "But what have they produced so far? A few snapshots and panorama pictures (which are nice, but well...), and some stone probes." which is really just silly. The photos the landers have taken are more than just panoramas of the scenary. While these do tell us more about the martian surface, the really imporant pictures are of the rock formations, close-ups of the surface sand and rock, and micrographs of all the material there at the surface. Seeing exactly what martian rock, pebbles, and sand looks like is very important for understanding the martian atmosphere & weather patterns, as well as geologic makeup and history.
to suggest that it's only taken a few is absurd... check out http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit. html for spirit's photos, http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportu nity.html for opportunity's.

the other tools on the rovers (see http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/spacecraft_ surface_instru.html for details) are also very important. these tools will allow accurate analysis of collected samples. while an orbiter can determine chemical content to a degree, the detail pales in comparison to what the rovers are finding.

with all your unfounded critisism and palpable distaste for another country, I almost mistook you for an American! try not to be so prejudiced in the future, mmK?

Re:Tell news (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427989)

You seem to be rather misinformed. From your blog:

ESA decided to send one orbiter and one lander to mars, NASA decided to play safe and sent out not one but two landers, Spirit and Opportunity. And of course, they have their own orbiter, too.

Orbiter? Try Orbiters -- there are two existing orbiters -- Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey. The MER missions did not orbit.

But when you look at the actual scientific data produced by both the ESA and the NASA mission, you will see that NASA definitely does the better PR work. But what have they produced so far? A few snapshots and panorama pictures (which are nice, but well...)

You don't really have a clue, do you? First, some of those "snapshots" are from the Pancam, which has a variety of narrow-band filters to allow detailed image analysis. Second, the rovers have been collecting a TON of data from the other main science instruments -- MiniTES, Mossbauer, APXS. While these don't produce pretty pictures (just boring spectragraphs), it's a wealth of scientific information.

and some stone probes. But due to their design, they can't drill down further than maybe a few meters (if even that deep).

"Stone probes"? WTF are you talking about? The rovers can essentially spin a wheel in place to carve out a trench in the soil. That can dig in the ballpark of 6 inches. There's also a RAT tool to grind rocks, which only goes a few milimeters -- that's all you need to get past any dust or weathering.

This isn't a sub-surface exploration mission, so complaining about that is like saying Slashdot sucks because there's not enough advice on cosmetics.

but IMHO, it's not really something special: we've seen pictures from mars before, and we've analyzed probes from mars before.

We've never seen pictures like the microscopic imager is taking. And it's naaive to say that just because a couple of previous missions have takes pictures that there's no value in doing anything similar again... For simple example, look at how radically different the Opportunity site is from the other missions (Spirit, Pathfinder, Viking I&II).

So, I'm a lot more impressed by the work done by ESA: although they lost their lander (what a pity...), they concentrated not so much on the PR (no "the best crew in the world!" cheering) but more on actual science

That's an insult to everyone in NASA working on the MERs. Have you ever done any real science? It's obvious you don't know anything about the NASA mission, but to make a blanket statement like that about the science just a couple of weeks into the mission is stupid. It can take months to years to develop all the final results.

Let's look at your other ESA claims:

produced detailled 3D maps of parts of mars which has never done before, and where the big geological structures can be analyzed better than ever before.

Uhm, no. NASA has been making maps since the Mariner and Viking missions in the 60's and 70's. More recently, the MGS and Odyssey orbiters have been producing higher-resolution imagery. MGS has even taken pictures of the rovers on the surface (see http://www.msss.com/mer_mission/index.html).

proved the existence of water on the south pole of mars. NASA asserted that they had detected that in 2001 already, but in fact, they didn't, because they didn't have the right equipment. All they were able to detect at that time was hydrogen, which is a possible indicator for water, but definitely not a prove.

It would be more accurate to say "confirmed," no "proved." ESA's PR is in hyper-overdrive here. Previous results from other missions (especially Odyssey's neutron spectrometer) have led to the forgone conclusion that water/ice is present. ESA's results are an "independant cconfirmation," but are hardly a novel or shocking result.

measured the actual temperature on the mars surface (up to +4 degrees Celsius), which is higher than estimated before.

Again, this has been done on previous NASA missions. Again, notably, on Odyssey (see http://themis.asu.edu/). And NASA has measured it in situ -- on the surface. We've been there (well, robotically!), and measured it first-hand.

is about to create extremely detailled satellite pictures of the mars surface (with a resolution of 1x1 meter per pixel).

Again, MGS has "been there, done that."

While the ESA orbiter will certainly produce good first-rate science, it's trolling to claim that it's somehow revolutionary and "superior."

Re:Tell news (4, Insightful)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427909)

Its not "not discovered here", its "news media organizations not heavily biased over there" ...

Slight difference, I know, but get it right. The Media is quite often the enemy of Science, and The People.

Re:Tell news (1)

anandcp (617121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427930)

True.
I stand corrected.

Mars Global Surveyer first (3, Interesting)

tjstork (137384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427995)

The Mars Global Surveyer found traces of hydrogen first, and also returned the first images which seemed like water carving the martian surface.

And, to top it all off, there is a small but steady band of real scientists that believe that Viking did in fact find life on Mars.

In other news today... (-1, Troll)

gavri (663286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427776)


There's an interesting article discussing new evidence that shows there may be Cum in Uranus

The spherules (4, Interesting)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427778)

I don't see what's mysterious about these at all. You have to remember that Mars has much less gravity than Earth, ergo, the amount of force required to displace a pebble is so much less. So while the atmosphere is thinner there than it is over here, it is still sufficiently dense to allow for substantial winds to develop; winds that displace these pebbles and cause them to move over the ground, and over time--millions and millions of years--this repeated displacement causes the tiny stones to become spheroid in shape. The end.

MS spys on WMA users (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427798)

http://cryptome.org/scappaticci.htm

Re:The spherules (0, Offtopic)

Cyber Dugie (724373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427804)

yeah sure... remebering Red Planet... ugh ... anybody step there bofore??? mountain...human...nop... the austronout haven't reach the planet, they lost in venus, the chicks there is better than in eart ;)

Re:The spherules (4, Interesting)

Kircle (564389) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427823)

And NASA is really concerned about martian dust devils and it's impact on future human missions to Mars. They're suppose to be 100 times larger than the dust devils you find on Earth. I believe they have scientists out in Arizon studying the dust devils there and working around that.

Re:The spherules (5, Informative)

ahecht (567934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427936)

Well, not quite, but it's nice to see that someone knows about what we were doing.

There have been at least two expeditions to the Arizona desert by NASA people to study dust devils, both run out of the University of Arizona. I had the opportunity to spend a month in the Arizona desert gathering data on the second trip.

I wouldn't say that NASA is particularly concerned about dust devils -- due to the lower gravity, dust devils on mars would be much weaker than those on earth, even if they are larger. Even on earth, dust devils post little threat. Some of the ones we studied were over 2 miles tall, and you could walk right through them with absolutely no danger. While the original trip was sponsored by the HEDS (Human Exploration and Developement of Space) funded Matador experiment to see if the dust devils posed any danger to human exploration, the primary concerns were over static electricity and dust getting into space suits.

What NASA is really interested in is how dust affect the geology of the planet. In the absense of water or strong winds, dust devils may in fact be the primary erosive force on Mars. During the first half of the 20th century, astronomers noticed that Mars changed color depending on the season, and this led them to beleive that there was rich vegetation on Mars. When the first orbiters and lander arrived, we learned that this wasn't quite true, but we still had no other solution. Now, scientists believe that is was dust devils, which are a seasonal occurance, that were actually reconfiguring the landscape of the planet. We have actually seen pictures of light colored planes that are crisscrossed by dark dust devil trails.

The problem is that very little is known about dust devils on Earth. I only know of one scientific paper published on the subject. While some of the work we did was trying to find out the proerties of dust devils, especially the electrostatic properties, to help create an accurate model for their formation on Mars, this was not really why we were there. The primary goal of the NASA researchers was to study the dust devils on earth in order to learn how to study them on Mars. We were mainly out there to test a set of instruments planned for Matador (including some far out stuff, like using a special UV camera to detect sparks caused by static electricity).

If anyone is interested, there is an article on the first trip at:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-atmosphere-01a .html [spacedaily.com]
and the second trip at:
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/0 5/29_dust.html [berkeley.edu]

Re:The spherules (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427860)

From the little I remember from geology, wind blown (aeolian) sand grains are more likely to be angular, while grains move by water are rounded. This is one indicator used to distinguish the provenance of a sedimentary rock at outcrop.

Re:The spherules (4, Informative)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427954)

Aye, but the scale is different. These spherules are said to be approximately the size of BB's. This causes them to interact with the surrounding terrain in a much different fashion; something as small as a grain has a greater likelihood to get caught by a rock or some other feature of the landscape than something as big as a BB.

Re:The spherules (4, Informative)

mikerich (120257) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427953)

this repeated displacement causes the tiny stones to become spheroid in shape. The end.

Except the spherules don't look like the sand grains you find in Earth deserts. Those would be rounded (because as you say there is lots of abrasion), but rarely spherical, and they tend to show signs of impact and scratching from their fellow grains. So far the spherules appear to lack these features.

Best wishes,
Mike.

Re:The spherules (1, Insightful)

rotciv86 (737769) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427958)

Those spheroids aren't on earth, you can't compare them to the ones found on earth, it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges. Mars has a different gravity, different air, different temperature. How can you compare them?

Re:The spherules (5, Insightful)

bdeclerc (129522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8428003)

Simple : the physics isn't different on Mars, so if the physical basis of the processes is understood (which it is in the case of grain & pebble formation), we can know what to expect (which in this case would be relatively similar things).

Besides : have you looked at the pictures? These spherules are not round because of abrasion or erosion, they are clearly round because they formed that way (either as molten droplets solidifying, or through some sort of deposition process). Rounded pebbles are "rounded", not "perfectly spherical" like these spherules.

Until we get info on their chemical composition, we don't know what caused them, but erosion into "spherules" is one of the least likely explanations.

Most likely, in order of decreasing likelyhood:
- Solidified droplets of molten rock (from impact or volcano)
- Chemical concretions in standing water (above or below ground)
- Chemical concretions of biological origin
- Eggs of a Martian Rock-frog
- wind/water erosion of angular stones

Title a bit sexual? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427779)

"Evidence Mounts, But Scientists Remain Tight-Lipped"


Come on, somebody get that copywriter laid before he sublimates again.

SIXTH POST! (-1, Offtopic)

James A. H. Joyce (757819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427780)

OMFG LOLZ

Nice try, Ekrout (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427793)

But you still fail it.

Great... (5, Funny)

Wiser87 (742455) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427785)

Close-up photos of soil and rock have also shown thread-like features and even an oddly shaped object that looks like Rotini pasta.

Now I'm thirsty and hungry!

Re:Great... (4, Interesting)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427805)

"and even an oddly shaped object that looks like Rotini pasta."

Could it be a fossil?

Re:Great... (4, Interesting)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427877)

Troll???

I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question. An odd-shaped object embedded in a rock on mars may be a chemical deposit, or it may be an organic product - or it may just be an anomalous rock.

I fail to see what is trollish about my question.

Re:Great... (4, Funny)

Bigman (12384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427845)

Mmm and everyone knows that to cook pasta you need brine.

So the moon is made of cheese, and mars is made of pasta. I suppose that's why the earth is populated by carbonara based life forms..

*bom-chi*

Re:Great... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427975)

I hope I get to metamod this one UNFUNNY.

Re:Great... (2, Funny)

njcoder (657816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427849)

"scientists are carefully piecing together a compelling historical portrait of a wet and wild world."

There trying to keep it a secret but apparently they found a bikini top and a condom wrapper.

great! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427790)

(insert default opportunistic company to sell useless Mars water products... and somehow profit)

-tEd

Cash being wasted why won't govts consider this? (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427847)

I mean, all the cash used to explore the "heights" would be better utilized if it were used to explore the oceans. Attributes of the funny and strange creatures down there could be used to cure some of the troubling diseases affecting the world. To me, this would be a very good way of spending that cash. I hear some spieces of star-fish have a protein that significantly reduces the pains associated with leukemia.

Re:Cash being wasted why won't govts consider this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427890)

on top of that...

we have only discovered about 20% of the ocean.. compared to what we are capable discovering space.. i say we definitely put more money into marine researching and explore that.. would be much safer and efficient too..

Of course there is water! (5, Funny)

CrystalChronicles (706620) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427794)

I've seen the canals with my trusty telescope!

It's easy (3, Funny)

farnerup (608326) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427799)

mars# mount /dev/evidence /mnt/water

Re:It's easy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427813)

That's funny, even if you don't get modded as such.

Re:It's easy (1, Funny)

good(k)night (754537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427834)

can't do that..
i've tryed ssh mars and got:
ssh: connect to mars port 22: No route to host


anyone have been there?

What's so great about water!? (5, Informative)

anish1411 (671295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427801)

OK we all know that water is needed to sustain life on earth, which is why its such a biggie when the possibility of water on extra-terrestial terrains arises.

But what is it exactly about water that makes it so important? Here [uni.edu] is a page which shows some of the most important properties of water. It shows, for example, how capillary action works, a property that allows plants up to 20 feet (i think!) tall to absorb water without using any energy whatsoever!

MOD PARENT DOWN!! -1 OFFTOPIC, I FIND HIM ANNOYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427809)

I don't really like him

Re:What's so great about water!? (4, Informative)

mike3411 (558976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427869)

well.... clearly yes water has many very important properties, but that page doesnt do a very good job illustrating why it is significant for life. i think one of the reasons we get so excited about water is because it is so relevent to the working of our form of life. h2o is involved in an incredibly wide range of the organic reactions occurring in your body and in other terrestrial forms of life. it's entirely possible that other living organisms could operate with entirely different sets of biochemical reactions, and not need water at all. but if water is available, then something that we are more familiar with might be living there, and we know what to look for.

btw, capillary action is not a unique property of water, it will occur with any liquid that an affinity for the substrate

Re:What's so great about water!? (4, Interesting)

anish1411 (671295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427888)

The fact that for millions of years on Earth, nothing happened, and then all of a sudden BOOM life arose in the gap of about 10,000 (which is a small gap), might be suggestive that life really might not be able to happen many other way!

If you look at life on Earth, it is based on long chains of carbon and some nitrogen, mixed with various other molecules. Not many other elements have the combining properties of carbon and nitrogen, so nothing too complex could be formed with anything else.

If you take the example of a DNA molecule, this ia an extremely complex and precise little thing. It's double-helix structure is only possible because of the way it has been formed, and its replication has been masterfully engineered by millions of years of evolution.

There are many, many other things about life on Earth that are so complex and specific, that I - and many biologists agree with this - think that life probably could not have happened any other way.

Btw, the reason capillary action happens is because water molecules are polar, with the hydrogen side being slightly positive and the oxygen side being slightly negative. This is not true with most other liquids. And besides mercury, or ethanol wouldnt be very useful to plants, even if they could absorb it by capillary action.

Re:What's so great about water!? (5, Informative)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427978)

The fact that for millions of years on Earth, nothing happened, and then all of a sudden BOOM life arose in the gap of about 10,000 (which is a small gap), might be suggestive that life really might not be able to happen many other way!

Where did you get this from?

Geologically speaking, life appeared on Earth almost the instant the Earth became hospitable enough for life, about 3.8 billion years ago (or when the Earth was 700-800 million years old. That was only single-celled life, but life nonetheless. The move to multi-celled life took far longer and didn't occur until about 700 million years ago. That's the giant-leap there. If single-celled life appears so quickly and it took so much longer for multi-celled life, then it gives the impression that single-celled life is very opportunistic while multi-celled life isn't necessarily the next step.

Re:What's so great about water!? (4, Informative)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427908)

Well, capillary action allows water to flow upwards in small, herbaceous plants. But if you do some numbers you'll find that the capillaries would have to be of an unfeasibly small diameter to allow that water to go up a 30 meter tree for example.

The most important action that allows water to go up in those big trees is negative pressure at the leaves, created by the evaporation of water. Take a look here [rcn.com] .

Yep, but.. (1)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427924)

It shows, for example, how capillary action works, a property that allows plants up to 20 feet (i think!) tall to absorb water without using any energy whatsoever!

Oh my god.. the Martians are.. Triffids. Oh, wait, mis-red the post. Seriously, though, water may be essential to life, but I still don't think it's much to get excited over. I mean, it means what - that very very primitive life may have existed there a long time ago, possibly no more complex than your average pond life. I'd rather see the money spent on Mars exploration spent actually plumbing the depths of our own aquatic reserves. Now videoing a giant squid, that'd grab my attention.

Re:What's so great about water!? (1)

rotciv86 (737769) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427970)

You mean aside from the fact that the human body is 98% water?

Hmmm... (2, Informative)

SisyphusShrugged (728028) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427802)

Some very interesting data here, the scientist Levin says the imagery offers conclusive proof of Mars Mud! This would seem to me to be indicative of water frequency that would lead to life after all!

Little mars space men, here we come!

Life, Water & Power (3, Interesting)

tronicum (617382) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427808)

We want to find artifical life forms, not only water.

Another interesting point is probably a possible power source so if some of the nice red rocks contains a substance that is able to generate engergy, that would be better.

Artificial life? (5, Funny)

nfabl (748199) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427843)

Wouldn't it be better to find the real thing?

Re:Life, Water & Power (1)

Big Nemo '60 (749108) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427891)

It's just me, or this sounds a bit like a Total Recall quote? ;-)

Re:Life, Water & Power (1)

Molina the Bofh (99621) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427979)

What about natural life forms ? Wouldn't it be even more interesting ?

Which taxpayer payed this much? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Shepard (595554) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427817)

"There are lots of geologists out there who are looking at these pictures and they are starting to drool," Haldeman said. "The American taxpayer that spent $800 million on this deserves a thorough analysis," Haldeman said.

Which taxpayer payed this much?

Re:Which taxpayer payed this much? (3, Funny)

Albanach (527650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427856)

That'll just be the sales tax on space.com's bandwidth bill after a couple of mentions on /.

Re:Which taxpayer payed this much? (5, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427906)

Haldeman is probably also right in that the taxpayer deserves a thorough analysis.

It may have water (5, Informative)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427825)

but it also has Hydrogen Peroxide in the atmosphere!

link [sltrib.com]

Antiseptic and life-killing, the chemical helps explain why the martian atmosphere and surface are void of life.

Re:It may have water (4, Funny)

Bigman (12384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427851)

What? So does that mean Martians are blonde?

Blondes on mars (-1)

-Maurice66- (728513) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427882)

ohww...

that would explain how and why they have disappeared/"died"/got extinct anyway...

M

Re:It may have water (4, Interesting)

ColaMan (37550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427922)

That doesn't rule out subsurface life.
Which is a likely place for life (if any) to be, considering that there's:
- Possibly liquid water / brine there.
- Possibly adequate sheilding from the crap atmosphere above ground / radiation from space.

maybe a bit early (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427826)

but you never know, so I, for one, welcome our new mars overlords.

If they have oil, then the Martians are fecked* (4, Funny)

dwalsh (87765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427828)

*Idiomatic Irish variation on an Anglo Saxon word.

Wheres my Giant Shrimp! (4, Funny)

servoled (174239) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427829)

Damn those lazy NASA engineers. The February 29th cut off date [ljsilvers.com] has come and gone and they have yet make an official declaration of an ocean on Mars. What the hell have they been doing over there? Moving the rover 10 ft at a time, spending days just to get the damn thing off the landing platform, pathetic. There must be some shady deal going on between them and Long John Silver's [ljsilvers.com] to move really slowly to not have to tell the world that they found an ocean so they can share all of the free giant shrimp between themselves. This article just confirms it. Obviously they have enough evidence to proclaim that Mars is a big ocean, yet they don't because it would cut into their giant shrimp profits. Scandal I say!

What is this all about? (4, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427837)

I mean, seriously. I'm not trolling, just scratching my head...

We are sitting on a planet that has everything we could possibly want. Water, food, sun, beaches, fresh mangos, carnival once a year, beer, ADSL for peanuts.

And now the hint of the memory of water on Mars is enough to give us sciencegasms of pleasure. "Oooh, water, bacterial lifeforms,"... I know, water = life, life = understanding, etc.

But it seems so perverse. There is such a huge waste of life and resources going on all around us. Nothing we ever find on Mars will be remotely as interesting as - say - a bucket of seawater from any corner of the world's oceans. We'll spend fortunes trying to extract a few nuggets of knowledge from the furthest corners of our domain while ignoring the mountains of knowledge that remain to be unpuzzled all around us.

Are we just a perverse species, or what?

Re:What is this all about? (5, Interesting)

Darkfred (245270) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427874)

I don't think its the thought of the life forms themselves on mars that will give people 'sciencegasms'. It's the implications of what it would mean if we found similar cellular life to our own somewhere else in the universe.

It gives us hope that somewhere else in the universe there would be life as well. After all if two planets in our own system have life it must develop quite easily, Or at least show that interplanet panspermia is possible.

And most important to our motivations, it addresses two very basic interests inherant to our physque. Loneliness and the divine.

Re:What is this all about? (1)

rotciv86 (737769) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427980)

I was sitting here thinking about that interplanetary life thing. What if, say a huge meteor crashed into the earth (we know this has happened) and blew a huge amount of dust into the air, is it possible that some dust containing some microbes, made it off the planet and drifted to mars?

Re:What is this all about? (1)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427893)

We are sitting on a planet that has everything we could possibly want. Water, food, sun, beaches, fresh mangos, carnival once a year, beer, ADSL for peanuts.

you forgot the most important [nvg.org] one

Re:What is this all about? (-1)

-Maurice66- (728513) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427905)

But it seems so perverse. There is such a huge waste of life and resources going on all around us.

You cannot be a true USian...

USians follow Bush and claim victory on taking Mars in 10 years.

M

Re:What is this all about? (3, Insightful)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427929)

The "Life" question will be pretty significant if its answered in the affirmative.

Remember, Earth is supposed to be a Garden of Eden. Like it or not, but a lot of human policy is driven by Christians who would rather not have to deal with the reality of the universe...

Answering this question will transform culture in big, big ways.

Re:What is this all about? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427942)

Understanding exactly what is going on in a bucket of seawater would transform culture in a big, big way. Looking for life on Mars is a bizarre way of doing this.

Re:What is this all about? (1)

rotciv86 (737769) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427985)

actually, in scripture, god banished adam and eve from the garden of eden, the way i see it, mars coulda had life long before earth, and it could have been the garden of eden.

Spherical snowflakes? (5, Insightful)

CrosbieFitch (694308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427840)

Has anyone else noticed the six segment radial spoke pattern on one of the spherules? Six-fold symmetry perhaps related to the same way that snowflakes form? Maybe the beads are snowflakes that gradually accrete into ice-droplets?

Either that, or the spherules are organic...

Re:Spherical snowflakes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427892)

|Either that, or the spherules are organic... So *that* was the high pitched noise when one of those were cut in half!

Re:Spherical snowflakes? (1)

CptNerd (455084) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427927)


Oh, no, does that mean there's a Horta around?

Beware... (4, Insightful)

fpga_guy (753888) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427841)

of NASA's aqua-focussed spin on everything Mars related.

The Mars program's stated goal is the detection of water on Mars - therefore every possible shred of evidence for that conclusion is being reported, with no discussion at all of any alternative interpretations.

A couple of very interesting opinion [spacedaily.com] pieces [spacedaily.com] at spacedaily.com recently sum up some alternative theories.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be true. But there's a distinct water-mania in the current NASA press machine...

Re:Beware... (4, Insightful)

mike3411 (558976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427933)

correct me if I'm wrong, but the space.com article has nothing to do with anyone at NASA. so to critisize NASA in this thread seems a little harsh. I think generally NASA does accentuate data that and theories that support the existence of water, but I wouldnt go so far as to suggest that they are ignoring alternative interpretations, or that they are doing something unethical or improper. although if you have specific examples of NASA distorting or improperly using information, that would be interesting.

Re:Beware... Simpsons reference (1)

originalTMAN (694813) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427987)

don't you know the saying? "Water water everywhere, so lets all take a drink."

Frequently unanswered questions (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427842)

Why should humans go to Mars?
Because humans need new destinations and ever-expanding horizons.
Because going to Mars will inspire the nation's youth.


I hope they didnt stay up all night answering their frequently asked questions.

data and speculation (5, Interesting)

mike3411 (558976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427852)

what a weird / poorly written article. maybe i'm misunderstanding some of their statements, but the author makes certain important conclusions that totally lack support. In particular, the possibiliy of liquid water (as evidenced by mud) is suggested. The article states "Levin points to Opportunity imagery that offers conclusive proof of standing liquid water and running water on a cold Mars." The argument is that freezing areas in the rover's tracks are filled with ice, which is supposedly identified through pictures. This may be valid, but to suggest that such an important conclusion can be made by theorizing on what could make a shiny surface in imagaes... seems excessive. This appears especially absurd to me because the rover has tools specifically designed to answer this question. I mean, why is this guy attempting to conjecture this based on images when we can use IR & GC to find out exactly what is there? I suppose the point in this article is that this data has been collected, and is to be announced soon, but the confidence with which the article makes these assertions and its lack of explication for the possible errors in these theories really frustrated me and seems totally inappropriate in a scientific publication, even one online :\

Costneresque title of article (5, Funny)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427862)

If Mars really is a "Waterworld", we'll invest vast amounts of money in it but no people will ever go to see it. Oh wait...

Moot Point (4, Informative)

Yonkeltron (720465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427878)

Yeah but it doesn't matter if there is water or not because if the supposed "Life Killing Chemical" is really present in the martian atmosphere like this article says it is...

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03012004/utah/143 82 7.asp

"I wonder on Mars if it can rain upwards" (4, Funny)

Genza (736808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427880)

I wonder on Mars if it can rain upwards

It only makes sense, considering the red sky and blue sunset [slashdot.org] .

On Mars, er-- In Soviet Russia, the umbrella wears YOU!

Yeap and... (-1)

KLP-2002 (548875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427897)

In Soviet Russia the government finds water in YOU!

you idiot! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427986)

you totaly bombed that, it should be something like... In Soviet Russia water finds you!

Where's the Pasta? (5, Interesting)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427902)

Anyone know where the images of this 'pasta-like' object are? I'd sure like to see that!!!

No one said.. (1, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427912)

Ryleh had to be on Earth. I for one quiver with fear at our new Lovecraftian masters' sub-aquatic subterranian resting place.

Meanwhile, in other news, a special report from Scotland - batter found on Mars.

Re:No one said.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427926)

subterranian

Submartian.

Precious Martian Fluids (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427918)

Of course the rovers' instruments are limited in their ability to identify substances.. what is the freezing point of beer? Those spherules look suspiciously like froth, and there is more CO2 in the atmosphere than can be accounted for..

singing in the rain (5, Funny)

lemody (588908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427941)

> I wonder on Mars if it can rain upwards," he said.

I wonder if they are smoking some pot in Maryland... :)

Waterous questions (4, Insightful)

Ektanoor (9949) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427946)

The presence of water in Mars has nothing new in it. In fact, for quite long we have had several evidences of its presence. Unfortunately all this messed with a long-standing presumption that Mars is Dry-Dried-Drying-Dead. This presumption was born from the unfortunate fight between Lowell and other scientists on the presence of civilizations in Mars. Each one of us may qualify Lowell's extrapolations from several points of view. But the fact is that many scientists of his time and later decided that the best argument against Lowell was to extrapolate the counterarguments. The fact was that the "scientific" discussion of Lowell's ideas as more as putting counterweights rather than well-weighed scientific arguments. It seems that people were more scared by Lowell's radicalism rather than studying Mars. If Lowell said there was a civilization, his opponents tried to overshow everything to demonstrate that civilizations could not exist in Mars, down to denying the chances for Life in Mars. If Lowell argumented that Mars had channels to carry precious water, almost everyone tried to demonstrate that there is not even a molecule of water in the atmosphere...

The result was that at Viking's time, most circles were standing for the Dry-Dried-Drying-Dead argument, no matter the controversial data from spectroscopy, the first pictures from Mars and several theories about the formation of the Solar System. Most academical circles were not only willing to but forcing the view that Mars was just like the Moon but more colder.

Unfortunately things did not stop only in this. There were people that for some reason falsified Viking's results or manipulated other results. For some reason, these people needed the Dry-Dried-Drying-Dead Mars argument as a weapon for their silly, stupid and overreligious theories. Frankly it is another show on how Mars, since Kepler, has been ground not only for a scientific debate but also for political-religious fistfights... Anyway, the extremism of ideas and the fundamentalism of some slowed down the exploration of Mars.

If you hear a refutation of the new discoveries, be careful. Before coming into conclusions try to find if this is the product of a scientific discussion, how correctly people step up with their arguments, or if this is another mass-media show between Hoagland-alikes and Horowitz-clones.

Brushing up my knowledge of human encounters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427973)

I'm allready brushing up my knowledge about human-alien encounters by playing long sessions of Starcraft.

Isn't it safe to assume,,, (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8427984)

...that on something as large as the PLANET Mars, there would be at least SOME water? I heard in school that water is made of common elements,
'hydrogen' and 'oxygen'. Finding water on Mars is inevitable.

Let me know when they find some sort of bacteria or micro-organism. Water ... pffffft.

What I don't get... (4, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8427999)

We all know that hydrogen is the most common element in the known universe, why is it such a big deal that some of that greatly abundant hydrogen exists in H2O on Mars?

With the countless gallons on earth, it shouldn't be a big deal that just a fraction of that much water ended up on Mars.

LK

Wouldn't it be funny... (-1, Flamebait)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 10 years ago | (#8428002)

Not trying to be a troll or flamebait or anything but wouldn't it be really funny if they discovered life on mars? Hearing all those religious leaders say "Oh and ummm we just found this in our bibles, two pages were stuck together, it now says on the 8th day god was sick and sneezed, and created life on mars yeah so check your bibles." And think of all the people that would deny it for years, claiming it was a hoax. Way more than the moon hoax people.
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