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Announcing the KDE Quality Team Project

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the quality-is-priority-1 dept.

KDE 389

Quique writes "The KDE Community is pleased to announce the launch of the Quality Team Project, a community of contributors who will serve as a gateway between developers and users in the KDE Project, and as a new way for people to begin contributing. KDE is a very attractive project, offering high quality software and is freely available. There is a lot of people who feel the urge to give something back, but stop in the middle of the way, frustrated by the steep learning curve. The aim of the project is to reduce these barriers by welcoming these potential contributors, and by offering documentation, support, and even guidance if requested. The objective is to support the new contributors, (programmers, documenters, testers, artists...). Have you ever wished to help KDE in some way, but never knew how? Keep reading!"

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fp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445037)

fp you fucking nazis!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445062)

i just saw passion of the christ the other day. i must say that this is the best artistic representation of the suffering of christ the world has ever seen! the blood was like splattering and stuff and you could see his ribs! go mel! those serious medieval and renaissance artists don't have anything on you!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445151)

You sound like a reasonable and impartial observer. So was Mel Gibson pretty good?

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445189)

i am a christian he was great i hope he wins best director and best screenplay!

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445463)

i am a homosexual masochist and i was seriously turned on by all the christ-beating!!11!

5 stars!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL (-1)

facilitatorrt (693462) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445038)

Ummm FP ??? NO Too bad...

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445052)

and check the anonymous coward button next time, dumbass!

THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445039)

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING

Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!

Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.

There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:

  1. BLINKING!

  1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!

  1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!



In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.

In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445051)

On respirator. Immune.

congrats, YOU'RE GOING TO DIE SOON! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445059)

lol!!11111`1``eleven

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445123)

Yeah, but are you wearing socks?

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445127)

mod this up you fucking IDIOTS.

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

KilljoyX (725579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445065)

In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Thus: Victimizing yourself, as I have just done

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445116)

you forgot THINK ABOUT BLINKING

Think about having to BLINK YOUR EYES MANUALLY! or else they won't BLINK at all!

sucks don't it?

Re:THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445134)

Not human. Immune.

-1: Offtopic, but worth it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445040)

I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT,
whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at
$1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point.keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =
300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am .. so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you I didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

Re:-1: Offtopic, but worth it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445098)

opec rules, ok?

More like -1, Dumbass Idea (-1)

bigfatslob (748856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445132)

There is no actual way to avoid buying "Shell's oil".

Each of the major oil producers sell crude oil to refineries, which sells it in turn to distributors, which then turns around and sells it to the branded gas stations.

Sure, the parent company (Shell, Exxon, etc) may get a certain percentage in franchising fees from these gas stations, but it that percentage is miniscule compared to the amounts they make for selling unrefined crude.

None of these dumb chain letters will actually work. Want to stick it to the oil companies? Walk or ride your fkn bike to work/school/the store, or use biodiesel.

Shouldn't that be... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445049)

the KDE Kuality Team?

Re:Shouldn't that be... (5, Funny)

Megaslow (694447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445095)

I think you mean the
KDE Kuality Klan
aka, the KKK.. wait, nevermind :)

Goddamit, gettit right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445157)

KDE K wality Klan

You know, like a quake clan? Oh...

Re:Shouldn't that be... (-1, Troll)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445476)

Hahaha, you put a K in place of a Q, it's funny cos that's what KDE does, haha, that's so novel! Wooo, I can't breathe, hee-heee!

Re:Shouldn't that be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445206)

Qu is a symbol in itself really, kwality would be the german-spelling equivalent, just as cualite would be the saxon version.

Re:Shouldn't that be... (4, Interesting)

pbox (146337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445371)

No, I think they should be called pet lamas. To ensure open-source quality.

I had this idea after reading Eric Raymond's "Luxury of Ignorance".

At absolute minimum all open-source projects should have (pet) lamas assigned to them, and a continuously rotating basis (to prevent tainting them with knowledge) and their whining should be taken as the word of authority...

Re:Shouldn't that be... (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445411)

Try Kwality [pureices.com] ..

Mmmm...

Re:Shouldn't that be... (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445436)

Could call them Kuala's, would go well with the whole QT (cue-tee; cute or cutie =) name system..

Maybe it was just me who thought kuala bears are cute.... (I KNOW THEY ARENT BEARS!!!!!!!)

Found on GNOMEDESKTOP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445053)

Dear new users,

You probably came here because you are interested to participate and help to the GNOME community. Please let me tell you as someone with a couple of years of experience that I really honour your attempt to help this community and I can tell you that there are a lot of people who may be thankful for you. GNOME is indeed a nice project and well if there wasn't certain people it would indeed rock and kick ass.

Unfortunately the reality as I see it looks quite differently. What the people want here are silent participants who work on fixing all the outstanding bugs in GNOME but they probably don't care for you as person or seriously do not respect you as person. You may have followed how I was trying to defend CVSGnome above as normal PART of GNOME and you can see that I have a bit hard times with this. From my own experience I can tell you that I have seen a lot of such negative behaviour in GNOME itself, this is not because of the project but because of a handful of people who claim the own rights to lead GNOME these days. I do feel that this is not a nice attitude to people specially when they really tried to contribute for years. I have been seeing a lot of people disappearing from the GNOME project and a huge gap has been created due to this. Who is responsible for all this I don't know the only thing I know is that nowadays a lot of the remaining people were paid by Wipro, RedHat, SUN, Novell and Ximian. Free volunteers are there too but the old ones disappear and new ones to come.

I would like to give you a very own personal advise, you shouldn't expect much from certain individuals of the GNOME community. And I do feel sorry that because of such 'might demonstrating games' a lot of people have left because they simply feel being ugly treated or simply not honoured for what they have done.

Therefore you should really think twice if you really want to contribute to GNOME or if it's not better to search something alternative that you can help improving. This is definately nothing against GNOME as idea or as project itself. It's all about internal clichees, problems, might demonstrations, control etc. You may now think what is this guy talking about but once you spent a couple of years with the remaining 'gods' and 'zealots' then you may figure out that you will get demotivated with each new day.

This is just a personal advise from me. You can take it or ignore it. But I do believe that I speak out of heart from various people here and you can also be sure that such things are not spread outside so it would be hard for me to offer any resources of informations. These are all collected informations I made over the years. There are a lot of other communities even on Linux (Open Source and even Free Software) where you as human are more welcome.

A project is not just about committing patches and fixing stuff. It's also getting along with others and respecting each others. This is a big thing that certain individuals of this community has to learn. I know I don't make much friends by writing this but I think I would give you a fair advise otherwise it would be eyewiping and wrong to have new people simply drop into the cold water.

Re:Found on GNOMEDESKTOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445357)

It's all about internal clichees, problems, might demonstrations, control etc.

I think you meant "infernal cliches." Goddamn cliches have been the demise of many open source projects.

This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (5, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445066)

QA? Testing? This is what open source needs!

Allow me to use Slashdot as an example. Wednesday nights = push development into production. Anyone on the slashteam want to tell me what regression testing tools and system testers they use? Sure, usually (not always) there isn't a crash-and-burn build, but occasionally there is annoyances and such that are just 'thrown into' the build that people didn't know was coming and other things.

Granted, this is Robs code, let him do what he wants with it, but with a 'QA' step it just makes for a better product.

Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (5, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445104)

QA is also something the US government requires for many things. Especially the military. If there is a good QA process in place that can help improve US government acceptance.

Not to mention, produce a better product for the rest of us.

Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (4, Funny)

pbox (146337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445405)

That be the day when the might US government will adapt to german (ungood) open-source (plus ungood) quality (double-plus ungood) software...

Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445311)

Regression testing? You're implying a level of professionalism that is absent in Slashdot development. I mean, they don't even spell check - you expect that they regression test?

Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (4, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445413)

QA? Testing? This is what open source needs!

more importantly is the new developer relations.

lots of big oss projects suffer from poor developer doco, wildly-divergent coding standards and a lack of anything vaguely looking like project management. have you ever tried to bust into the mozilla code? it's easier to become a mason!

in the proprietary world of software, new hires get weeks of training to explain the ins and outs of the source tree, the preferred tools, the internal standards &c. this is done not just to get said hires up to speed and productive as quickly as possible but also to ensure that their contributions don't damage the conceptual integrity of the project.

smart move kde.

Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! (2, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445489)

" QA? Testing? This is what open source needs!"

Kind of an obvious statement don't you think? Every major OSS project that I know of does what they can with regards to QA and Testing. They all do alphas/betas and encourage users to test their products and report bugs.

Saying that QA/Testing is what OSS needs is a bit of naive statment, unless of course your talking about what KDE in particular is doing. But the way I read it is you were just trying to make some blanket statement about OSS software in general.

KDE Quality Team? (5, Funny)

MoobY (207480) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445068)

What abbreviation will this project get? KDE-Qt?

Re:KDE Quality Team? (-1)

tntguy (516721) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445491)

That's cute.

What happened (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445069)

to the book review that was in the subscriber queue?

Bout Time (4, Interesting)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445072)

I've been waiting for this. Last time I filed a bug report with KDE I got some snotty reply from some programmer who said I was wrong (the bug got fixed in the next release and was listed in the changelog).

Re:Bout Time (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445293)

Your experience is not unique. You're lucky to get a snotty reply. Most submissions I've made to bugzillas usually go ignored, no matter the depth of information I've supplied about the problem.

Re:Bout Time (5, Interesting)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445453)

I don't know where you guys are coming from. I've submitted a few bugs to bugs.kde.org, and I've never gotten harsh feedback. Even once when I committed the death sin of accidentally posting a duplicate (bug that were already submitted, but I didn't notice), I was still treated kindly and pointed to the other bug where, in the comments, one of the core developers pasted in my somewhat different suggestion for a solution for the record.

It is my experience also from the IRC channel that the KDE developers are great guys and girls -- a few of them even hang out and help users with their stupid problems (ok, s/users/me/, s/their/my/ ;).

Re:Bout Time (1)

Tack (4642) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445314)

I've been waiting for this. Last time I filed a bug report with KDE I got some snotty reply from some programmer who said I was wrong (the bug got fixed in the next release and was listed in the changelog).

Which bug?

Jason.

i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redhat (4, Interesting)

darthcamaro (735685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445076)

i still haven't got the newest KDE 3.2 to work on my RH 7.X boxes..There's a sourceforge project called KDE-Redhat that's supposed to fill the gap but... it sure would be great if this new effort made it easy for lazy admins like me.

Re:i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redha (4, Informative)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445158)

The KDE project itself doesn't do any packaging at all; they only release source-code tarballs. kde-redhat is an independent project.

Re:i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redha (5, Insightful)

darthcamaro (735685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445229)

right you are - but should it be that way? for newbies and technophobes -packages are the way they get stuff onto their machines

Re:i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redha (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445484)

yes, but it is up to the distros what packages they want to provide; KDE shouldn't have to hunt down every distro they like and provide packages

Re:i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redha (1)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445295)

Use Konstruct (you don't even have to be root) or use a distribution that can be used on the desktop. (Like SuSE or Mandrake)

KDEn Quality, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445079)

an oxymoron?

To quote a friend... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445087)

.."That's cold on ma nuts!"


and

.."Damned dirty apes tryin' to take over the planet!"

Come on edittors (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445092)

It's spelled 'Kuality'.

On the heels of ESR (5, Informative)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445101)

This seems like it's follwing on ESR's remarks on CUPS the other day but it's not. They've put a lot of planning into this including how to maintain your own CVS and which part of KDE to target for improvement first (KDE PIM).
I'd like to see some of the numerous UI critics take part in this. You know, the ones who write scathing reviews of widgets and fonts like Eurgenia?

Re:On the heels of ESR (3, Informative)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445174)

Here's [osnews.com] who I was talking about.

Re:On the heels of ESR (2, Insightful)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445342)

This seems like it's follwing on ESR's remarks on CUPS the other day but it's not.

The sad part about all this is that ESR will test only Gnome but will bash ALL open source environments, just as he tested only one distribution but bashed ALL Linux, also those distributions which have seamless CUPS configuration.

I certainly don't agree with much Eugenia sais, but at least she doesn't bash A for mistakes B made.

Sounds Good (3, Interesting)

moberry (756963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445108)

Just stating MY opinion, but i prefer KDE over GNOME. KDE is pretty stable, although i do still have problems with (seemingly) random crashes of Konqueror, etc. This program sounds like it will make already great software even better. Sort of like the customer comment card at resturants, although i dont think they read those.

do something original (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445117)

see subject

USABILITY - FINALLY ! (-1, Troll)

ehack (115197) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445120)

For 20 years the Desktop Linux user experience was so bad you literally couldn't give it away to anyone outside the industry. It seems that the hackers finally got the point. Better late than never !

Re:USABILITY - FINALLY ! (0, Troll)

ehack (115197) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445145)

For 10 years the Desktop Linux user experience was so bad you literally couldn't give it away to anyone outside the industry. It seems that the hackers finally got the point. Better late than never !

Post corrected to 10 years - although, frankly the Multics interface, the original Unix and the X-Windowed Sun stuff wasn't much better.

Re:USABILITY - FINALLY ! (2, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445310)

Post corrected to 10 years

Ah, well, welcome back to our universe then, if not necessarily our reality. :)

KFG

Re:USABILITY - FINALLY ! (2, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445185)

For 20 years the Desktop Linux user experience. . .

I don't mean to be snide, really, this time I don't, but I do feel a bit compelled to ask which particular alternate universe you're living in?

KFG

Re:USABILITY - FINALLY ! (5, Funny)

lambent (234167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445200)

Linux version .01 was launched in September 1991. (timeline [linuxjournal.com] ) Try 12.5 years.

Rather, if you mean the relative amount of time it seems that I've been thrashing around in the 'quirkiness' (to be polite) that is the linux desktop ... then I think you've underestimated that figure by a few decades.

Kuality (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445122)

It's Kuality, damn in, don't pollute the brand.

KDE Kuality Projekt

Re:Kuality (0)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445161)

It's Kuality, damn in, don't pollute the brand.

KDE Kuality Projekt


Kome on guys. Kwit it with the 'K' kracks.

Gnome is NOT a KDE alternative (1, Interesting)

chmod_localhost (718125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445133)

Everytime KDE is mentioned, gnome advocates try and convince me why is GNOME is better, when it is NOT! Here is a detailed description WHY GNOME SUCKS KDE RULES!

1) The file dialog.
KDE 0.x ALPHAs had a better file dialog than gnome! Today, the KDE one is the best file dialgog in existance, with influence from all desktops.

2) More apps!
KDE comes with over 150 Apps in the full install, with applications for all fields, plus its sleak integration with non kde apps (eg gimp, openoffice) make things more consistant.

3) Configureable as hell.
The KDE control center has loads of knobs/dials/sliders and boxes to fiddle with, yet keeps things elegent. In gnome, half the options don't exisit and you are rudley told "use gconf-editor n00b by gnome zealots" (not joking about this, telling the truth gets you a -1, troll and footnotes).

4) I-kandy!
The Kde eye candy is really powerful, with styles such as dotNEt, mosfet liquid, kermamik, Crystal and more. Looking at art.gnome.org [gnome.org] [gnome.org] reveals the same old theme in different colours. Since gnome dosen't provide a colour changing dialog for its widgets most "themes" are just colour changes. The Crystal from CVS is an Aqua killer, your eyes will want to love it.

5) Its development framework rocks.
Take a good look at kioslaves, kparts, dcop, arts and qt and see why KDE is a programmer's dream. Modern c++, wonderful IDE [kdevelop.org] [kdevelop.org], powerful command line scripting. Gnome gives you obsolete c, with a bunch of kludge libraries such as glib, Orbit, bonobo to hack together a application.

6)The defacto choice on Linux. All major Distributions support it by default. This means Mandrake, SuSE, Xandros, ArkLinux, Jamd, Lindows, Slackware, Knoppix, Gentoo and more. How many gnome ones can you mention (Redhat, sure if you like using server distros as your desktop Debian, nope thats the old 1.4 branch Gnoppix, a retarded knoppix rip off.) Most distributions offer gnome as an unsupported alternative.

Also, the only reason why gnome was created in the first place is null and void. Now that Novell has taken over Ximain you can expect VENDOR lock in. Want groupware for linux? Thats $300 a seat.

Get the new Mandrake 9.2 and see the Quality of KDE vs the Sorry state of Gnome 2.4 (and, they STILL haven't fixed that ****ing file dialog), not to mention they REMOVED ALL THE FEATURES. Gnome 2.2 is probably the only gnome version remotley close to kde, that is, KDE 2.0, not the KDE 3.2. I tried the "brokenboring" alpha of it and when it is released this december it will finally put Gnome out of it's misery and kill it off the Linux desktop.

Re:Gnome is NOT a KDE alternative (-1, Flamebait)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445175)

WOW! I couldn't agree more though. KDE is so much more than gnome on all fronts.

Someone read ESR's rant (4, Interesting)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445141)

Now if the Gnome project (and quite honestly every large project) would make a quality team, we could get some serious usability issues ironed out.

Re:Someone read ESR's rant (5, Insightful)

thesaur (681425) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445304)

ESR did bring up a lot of good points. However, I doubt this team will have too much to do with that. From the article, it seems to me that it's mostly focused at lowering the entry level requirements for working on the KDE project. They are trying to get people to write documentation, etc. But that doesn't mean that they will actually focus on ensuring that it will all be as simple to use as Windows.

As an open source author and member of a quality assurance team, experience tells me that the greatest effort will go into programming. QA teams generally have enough work to do just fixing bugs, writing documentation and testing releases ("important stuff"), that not enough time is left for making the user interface uniform or even intuitive. In this case, though they are asking users for direct input on the topic. That's a good sign.

GNOME has had a quality team for years. (4, Informative)

luge (4808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445501)

2-3, depending on how you want to count. It's good to see KDE catching up. [gnome.org]

Re:Someone read ESR's rant (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445509)

The GNOME guys don't have their own "Quality" project like KDE has now, but they arrange "Love days". And actually, it's today [gnomedesktop.org] ! So if you want to become a GNOME hacker, head on over to #gnome-love on irc.gnome.org.

Who Cares? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445142)

Nobody cares about KDE Quality Team. Everybody wants
to know who SCO is suing today!


Okay, I liked, I think KDE having a Quality team is a
good idea.

GDE or Knome? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445149)

I've tried installing Linux, and I've become confounded by the plethora of options available. Now, I understand it's produced by amateurs, and they include redundant software to try to put it on a par with professional software, but I'm confused by this choice-should I install GDE or Knome?
Could one of you Lunix haXXors take time away from your colonel bashing to tell me which a dedicated Windows user should install?

Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445159)

What was that open source code auditting thing that DARPA set up, but noone showed up to do the gruntwork?

Sounds like KDE is looking for folks to come along and do all the thankless, boring shit. Spellchecking help files, testing obscure check boxes, applying different themes. Of course, all the cool design work and programming, and artistry, etc, will be done by the core team - who will, of course, accept all the credit.

Noone wants to do the monkey work. I don't want to test constantly, read bug reports, track down insignificant bugs in code thats unused 99.9% of the time. I only do so because it's my job.

Which is a shame for open source in general, because it's that QA step, all the thankless hours of gruntwork, that make the final product what it is.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (1, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445270)

QA is like the ass end of the work. No one wants to deal with what comes out and no one want's to really look at their own.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Interesting)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445282)


I have done exactly that kind of shitty grunt work for a number of open source projects, without expecting any credit or whatever. For one reason, the one you stated:

it's that QA step, all the thankless hours of gruntwork, that make the final product what it is

I believe in open source, and am willing to further the cause just to further the cause, not to further my own ego.

I, for one, will join the KDE Quality (Kuality?) Team.

Pffffftt! (4, Funny)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445287)

What don't they read Slashdot? I thought we were the Quality Assurance!!

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (1)

cookie_cutter (533841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445312)

Maybe that means it's extra important for an open source project to have a good design from the start: few will want to fix it after it's done.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Informative)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445321)

That's really cold, man. You paint the KDE project as extremely elitist, when it is actually totally the opposite. KDE isn't some exclusive club of core people, any developers are welcome to join the project at any time, and have always been welcome.

Sounds like KDE is looking for folks to come along and do all the thankless, boring shit.

You have it totally backward, actually. The Quality Team project was intiated to include the large number of non-developer people who have been saying that they've always wanted to help KDE, but don't know how. KDE-QT provides a framework to actually include these interested and passionate contributors into our project.
They asked for a project like this.

So you see the QT tasks as boring grunt-work. Fine, then maybe KDE-QT is not for you. But there are those who excel at this kind of thing, and actually enjoy it.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Informative)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445385)

Thank you!!! That's exactly what I was trying to say. I am a novice programmer, and have little if any to offer to the KDE codebase. But, I would love to contribute and have extensive experience in things like customer service and communication. The KDE-QT is a FANTASTIC idea!

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Insightful)

m.mascherpa (687120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445395)

Noone wants to do the monkey work. I don't want to test constantly, read bug reports, track down insignificant bugs in code thats unused 99.9% of the time. I only do so because it's my job.

Actually it seems someone do want: otherwise how could many open source projects like Apache, Samba, linux (!!!) become what they are?

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (3, Insightful)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445398)

What nonsense. If you define quality as "doing what it is intended to do", open source is doing an excellent job. Just look at how many bugs and security leaks IS had and still has and how few Mozilla had. (I still have to witness a single Mozilla security hole that could be exploited with realistic chances success.) Just look at the great work the Apache-Team has done compared to IIS which it's many holes and bugs.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445480)

Look at how much more polished and usable Windows XP is than any OSS desktop.

Or OS/X. They took an OSS platform and layed a slick, highly integrated and very stylish UI on top of it. In about a quarter of the time that various linux desktop projects have been around. What's the difference?

Legions of grunts whos daily bread relied on toeing the company line, testing what they were told to test, documenting what they were told to document.

I wish this project all success, but I'm skeptical. Contributing programming or artistic skills for free makes sense. After all, programmers like programming, artists like drawing.

But noone likes doing gruntwork. Noone really dances on their way to work at McDonalds. We'll see in the end.

An aunt of mine was as veterinarian, she ran a small animal hospital. She'd have two or three high school girls apply to volunteer there each week, girls are goofy at the idea of hugging puppies.

They wouldn't show up again after the first time they had to do the actual work, say, clean up after a Great Dane with a case of diarreah.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (2, Interesting)

bluGill (862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445461)

To each his own. I personally consider the art work the hardest and most boring job that KDE has. Fortunatly someone (several in fact) is willing to do that work.

For that matter someone in the last couple days has just steped up to make some nice sounds. Don't know if he will finish the job, but what he has created so far is nice.

KDE tries to keep track of who submitted each fix. I'm sure some things slip through the cracks, but overall if you find a problem with KDE you can point that out latter as something you have done, and we can all go back into the archives and verify it really was you. There are far too many people helping with KDE for all but those who do the most work to get credit. That doesn't mean the credit is lost though.

Re:Build it, and they won't come.. (2, Insightful)

jazman_777 (44742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445469)

Noone wants to do the monkey work.

Well, they _are_ asking for volunteers. I'm sure somebody is better than nobody.

Middlemen? Where have I heard this before..? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445162)

Oh yeah...

Tom Smykowski: Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

Step #1 (-1, Offtopic)

DreadSpoon (653424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445172)

Fix the spelling/grammar mistakes your "Quality" team announcement. ;-)

This is what Open Source needs (5, Insightful)

mcx101 (724235) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445187)

I think this is exactly what open source needs. It's one thing for programmers, sysadmins and advanced users to contribute to open source projects, but there's often no easy way for the average user to help out.

With ideas like KDE Quality Team, the developers get to hear from the users and integrate features that they would like to see, as well as providing a means by which the average user can contribute. That's why Wikipedia works so well - it is possible for anybody to contribute. It's great to see the "anybody can contribute" idea extend to open source where up till now it's really only the advanced users who can contribute easily.

Re:This is what Open Source needs (5, Insightful)

kenneth_martens (320269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445406)

I think this is exactly what open source needs. It's one thing for programmers, sysadmins and advanced users to contribute to open source projects, but there's often no easy way for the average user to help out.

There's a reason for that: average users can find bugs, but cannot report them without having a programmer or an advanced user looking over their shoulder. An average user doesn't think through things logically enough to be able to isolate problems or to come up with the steps needed to consistently reproduced a bug.

You might say, "But the average user doesn't need to know those things! He just needs to report the bug and the programmers will research it and fix it." That's nonsense. A bug report from an average user (if he files one at all) is likely to be along the lines of "A program crashed when I clicked on a menu item." And when you ask for more details, he has forgotten which menu item he clicked on, he has forgotten the error message, he doesn't even know which version he was running. At best you might figure out which OS he uses, but that's it.

QA testing can be done by average users only if they are closely monitored by programmers or advanced users. There needs to be an advanced, knowledgable user present to watch the novice use the program and see how he uses the software. The KDE Quality Team might get some work done--for example, average users could easily locate and point out misspellings or other errors in the help files or dialog box messages--but don't think for a moment that KDE is tapping a great heretofore unused resource. The quality of the feedback generated by the KDE Quality Team will likely be low.

What we really need is to have local LUGs sponsor QA seminars. Get all the local geeks to bring a friend who has never used KDE. Sit them all down in front of a brand new installation of the latest KDE and ask them to perform simple tasks similar to what they would do at home using Windows. (Burn a CD, search the web, etc.) Watch them closely and take notes every time they find a bug or unexpected behavior. Compile that information and submit the necessary bug reports. Now that information will be truly useful.

Disclaimer: I could be wrong about everything. It's not likely, but it's happened before.

Nice idea (5, Interesting)

HeLLLight (748979) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445215)

Personally I think this is a very good idea. My programming skills are limited to simple BASH scripts so Im no use to most devel teams. But I do have good documentation/bug hunting skills. I do this as part of my job. So it is a good oppurtunity for those who do want to give something back to the OSS community but fall short in the programming area. Good Idea KDE.

KDE + Gnome = Good stuff (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445233)

This is good.

Linux is what we use.

I use Gnome, and some KDE-apps.

Let's keep it that way.

Let's fight a benevolent fight. As many winners as standbyside:rs. We will rule.
Good luck KDE!

Got to give KDE credit.. (5, Insightful)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445244)

For fostering a community unlike any other. www.kde-look.org [kde-look.org] has been my first stop to see modern ideas on desktop design for years now. I am not nor have I ever been a KDE fanboy (I'm a Blackbox user) but they have managed to form a remarkable bond with the graphics design community (and the graphically inclined). They should be a model for more OSS projects and this is something we should look at as a community as a whole. There is more to good software then 1's and 0's.

It's not terribly original. (0, Offtopic)

luge (4808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445518)

I guess I'm going to post this all over until I get modded redundant, but this is not a KDE invention. GNOME has had such a team for two years now [gnome.org] and mozilla had one before that.

What about USABILITY? (2, Insightful)

xutopia (469129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445277)

Seriously I hear all kind of good things with KDE but the thing still looks way too kluttered for the average Joe.

Re:What about USABILITY? (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445387)

"...average Joe..."

I remember him. His name was Evan. I think a power button on a computer may have been to difficult for him.

Re:What about USABILITY? (2, Funny)

EvanTaylor (532101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445423)

I thought it was the volume button, sorry!

Please KDE, make the announcement readable (-1, Flamebait)

aldoman (670791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445296)

That has to be the worst announcement ever. It's virtually unreadable because of the basic grammar errors and the whole release just doesn't seem to flow.

It took me 5 reads to actually understand what it was - a band of people who will do the boring jobs such as documentation, screenshots and bug triaging.

Also, the KDE website is in a serious need of a makeover. It's so bland and just plain boring...

Is this a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445328)

goddamn dilbert strip or what!

I seriously doubt this will change anything (1, Interesting)

sn0wman3030 (618319) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445390)

GNOME has had the Human Interface Guidelines for over a year and a half now. The whole project is dedicated toward usability. Don't get me wrong, KDE has some inovative technologies behind it, but even 3.2 is miserably lacking in terms of usability and style. IMHO, this "Quality Team Project" looks more like an after-thought or a lame side project than a redirection of the whole project.

Re:I seriously doubt this will change anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8445428)

When will GNOME become usable ? I mean usable for the ordinary users.

Pay (0, Offtopic)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445459)

How much do these positions pay? After all, KDE is an integral part of most Linux desktop systems, therefore there must be tremendous support for this from the commercial Linux providers (Redhat, IBM, etc). After all, IBM claims to have made over a billion dollars off of linux last year. So how much are they kicking in?

Thanks!

Re:Pay (1)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445498)

The positions pay nothing. There's this thing called "open source software", in which software is largely developed by a community of volunteer contributors. KDE is such a project. You may have heard of some others, such as GNU and the linux kernel.

Re:Pay (1)

Sparky77 (633674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445515)

We're sorry, but these positions pay in karma only. Thank you.

Quality Team? (3, Funny)

Sparky77 (633674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8445485)

This sounds like a good idea for an Open Source project. However, it's funny to me, because not long ago my boss was tossing around the idea of dividing the development group I work in into "The Stability Team" and "The Feature Team". Luckily the silliness of this sunk in and the idea floated away into Dumb Idea Heaven. We still joke about it though because nobody wants to get stuck with the crap job on the Stability Team, where you have to answer all the phone calls and fix the bugs in everyone else's code.
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