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Your Future Car's Hood Will Be Welded Shut

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the welding-torches-work-both-ways dept.

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An Ominous Cow Erred writes "A common argument used by open source advocates (myself included) in favor of open source is the simple question: 'Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?' According to an article from the BBC, Volvo thinks the way of the future may be exactly that."

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Shovel my penis into your mouth (-1)

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It's a car for women! (5, Funny)

wayward_son (146338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462162)

As if having they care if the hood is welded shut. /go ahead, mod me down, you know it's true.

Re:It's a car for women! (2, Interesting)

Tomeck (715421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462172)

Golf this week created a car with the screen wash next to the petrol (gas) entry point (what's the correct word?!) because they said women didn't like opening the bonnet (hood) on a car. Tom

Re:It's a car for women! (-1, Funny)

kj0rn (731521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462297)

But why should you lift the hood to fill the window washer? Seems pretty stupid - it's not like its got anything to do with the engine.

I managed to fill the break fluid jigger with water last time I opened the hood. Car still stops, I don't know why anyone would pay for break fluid when it comes out of taps for free.

john.e.boy

Re:It's a car for women! (5, Funny)

Araneas (175181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462314)

Same for the Volvo concept car. I have visions of the windscreen (windshield) covered with flaming petrol (benzene) because someone got the fill points mixed up.

And yes I know there would be some safety device to prevent this and I know there would be no ignition mechanism. Maybe I have been watching Zoolander too much. Besides - you know some guy is going to have to do it. ;)

Re:It's a car for women! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462205)

If there were a car that didn't ever require me to open the hood, that would be fine with me if they welded it shut. It obviously wouldn't be a gasoline-powered car, maybe some kind of electric.

Re:It's a car for women! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462223)

If the Calendar Girls were making cars, this is what they would look like.

They forgot to paint it pink.

Re:It's a car for women! (5, Interesting)

tiled_rainbows (686195) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462224)

Sad but true: this is a Volvo "Concept Car" (ie automotive vaporware) that was designed "for women by women".

However, the whole article does read like something out of the Onion. Changable multi-coloured seat covers to match your clothes? If it wasn't true it would be a sexist joke.

I was talking with my wife about this and she said she likes having a bonnet that lifts up, as it acts as a kind of "distress flag" when she's waiting on the hard shoulder with a knackered car, hoping some good samaritan will pull over and help her out. I know that this, too, sounds like a sexist joke, but my wife said it first, and she's a woman, so that's OK, I guess.

there's a great idea (1)

Dr. X (23464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462283)

"So we shifted the filling station for washer fluid to the side of the car, next to where you fill up fuel, and we closed the bonnet for good."

It's not too hard to imagine a scenario where washer fluid gets into your fuel tank. They really thought this one through.

BUSH CONTRADICTION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462164)



Mr. Bush continues to imply that we should be scared because we're not safe, so we need to keep him to protect our national security. Which seems like a weird contradiction. If he's so good at protecting us, why aren't we safe?

Re:BUSH CONTRADICTION (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462190)

bush is a walking contradiction, then again so is North Korea lets hope they can give USA what it justly deserves

The Apple iCar (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462173)

Ah. The Apple iCar. Brought to you buy the same guys who designed the "battery dies, throw it away" iPod.

When my iCar is low on oil, I park it in a city lot, scratch off the VIN, remove the license plate, and walk away. Then it is off to Apple to buy another one.

Re:The Apple iCar (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462209)

If the battery is dead (as in no longer usable), why would you want to keep it? Conversely, would you ditch your laptop because the battery needs to be charged?

Ditch car if battery goes dead (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462241)

"If the battery is dead (as in no longer usable), why would you want to keep it? "

I agree with you totally. Once the battery dies, it is time to get rid of the car. Anything is better than going to Sears and getting a new "Die Hard". Those Sears guys are so icky.

Re:The Apple iCar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462278)

If the battery is dead (as in no longer usable), why would you want to keep it?
Because the rest of the iPod should still be OK? So if you could change the battery you should be able to keep using it? You know, the same way it is with every other device in the world?

Argh. (5, Informative)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462175)

One thing to note for people who don't actually read the article, this is a car that is not only just a concept, but is a concept aimed at the type of women who would never open the hood anyway.

The headline should have been much, much clearer.

Re:Argh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462210)

The headline should have been much, much clearer.

What did you expect from michael? He has a history of inflammatory, deceptive, and outright lying to promote his leftist, open-source agenda.

Not only is the story flat-out wrong, he makes no apologies for it.

michael, the king of all trolls.

Re:Argh. (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462262)

but is a concept aimed at the type of women who would never open the hood anyway.

Yes, and not only that, when it needs servicing it calls the garage and you are called back and invited in by a nice hunky Scandanavian mechanic.

More importantly, the seat upholstry in modular and can be swapped easily to match your outfit.

The water filler for the screen wash is located right next to the petrol (gas) tank filler. Can you imagine the calls to the husband, "I've just put petrol and water in the car." *sob* "It smells of petrol when it rains and the engine is very spluttery...."

Re:Argh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462266)

its a woman's car. what do you expect? most women are lazy and stupid when it comes to the maintenance of even the most basic of mechanical gadgets. fucking feminists can keep their stupid cars for themselves.

Re:Argh. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462267)

... this is a car that is not only just a concept, but is a concept aimed at the type of women who would never open the hood anyway.

This does not bode well for us geeks who use the "may I look under your hood" pick up line

Audi A2 (5, Informative)

dontod (571749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462279)

The Audi A2 is halfway towards this concept. It doesn't have a bonnet (hood) as such, just a small flap to check oil and water levels.

Don.

Re:Argh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462301)

Jesus told me in a dream that SCO will prevail, linux will be defeated, and slashdot will pay royalty and licensing fees on each of its linux installs. PRAISE JESUS. PRAISE ALLAH. PRAISE SCO.

P.S. I just welded my underwear shut.

Re:Argh. (1)

hummassa (157160) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462302)

Anyway, I would NOT, in no circumstances, buy or let anyone I can influence buy a car sold with the hood welded shut.

Mechanics? (5, Insightful)

kravlor (597242) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462176)

There's something about trusting the mechanics to tell me when my car's broken that I don't really like...

Besides, what happens when the radio transmitter breaks?

Re:Mechanics? (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462238)

I want to know how the mechanics get into a welded shut hood to effect a repair.

Re:Mechanics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462296)

The same way they remove a welded-on body panel to replace it? They're clever, these mechanics, you know.

Re:Mechanics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462305)

Giant tin opener.

Then they weld it shut afterwards, and then attach little metal flowers to cover the mess.

Re:Mechanics? (3, Insightful)

blahlemon (638963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462306)

The front molding is all one piece that comes off with a specialized tool. It said in the article that only a Volvo technician could take it off. Obvioiusly because they wouldn't sell the tools to the mass market.

Not that specialized tools is a new idea. Car companies have been doing that for years to try and get people to bring their cars back to the dealer for repairs.

computers + internal combustion engines = stupid. (3, Insightful)

intertwingled (574374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462182)

Personally, I think that the union of computers and internal combustion engines is just plain stupid. One EMP burst and every automobile that has an Engine Control Computer within range of the EMP is dead. =/ Plus, I am mechanically inclined and often it is cheaper and easier for me to do my own maintenance and minor repairs. Welding the engine hood shut is doubly stupid. What if there is an engine fire?

Re:computers + internal combustion engines = stupi (5, Funny)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462250)

What if there is an engine fire?

Then you need a fire engine.

Re:computers + internal combustion engines = stupi (2, Interesting)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462280)

If someone is setting off EMP pulses (most likely a war situation), you will have bigger things to worry about than starting your car.

Re:computers + internal combustion engines = stupi (2, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462303)

Exactly. Nothing like a thermonuclear blast to wreck your day.

Truth be told though, EMP isn't really a problem for microchips. It's generally a problem for electrical systems with long stretches of wire (like telephones and power grids.) What usually blows out a CMOS chips is static electricity, which you won't get from an EMP.

TMYK

Nice Quote! (4, Funny)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462184)

The car should be programmed to discover any problems under the bonnet, then send a message to the garage to let them know.

The mechanics would then contact the women directly to invite them over.

Is it me, or do I have a dirty mind this afternoon? ;)

Re:Nice Quote! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462282)

Ha ha.

Dear Mrs Svensson,

Please come over to the Orebro garage - I need to tweak your flange.

Lars.

remote diagnostics (1)

whovian (107062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462290)

The car should be programmed to discover any problems under the bonnet, then send a message to the garage to let them know.

Onstar [onstar.com] does somethings along these lines already, plus offers a whole bunch of additional services.

I'm not a customer, only have hear the dramatized radio ads.

ummm what happens if the engine is on fire? (5, Funny)

dark404 (714846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462185)

What happens when the engine overheats or you get in an accident and the engine is on fire?

"I'm sorry mr. firefighter, only a certified volvo firefighter is allowed to put out this fire"

they have it all wrong (1)

adamruck (638131) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462186)

"It is storage, storage and more storage," said Ms Christiansen

umm if it was relly designed for women it would have no storage...that way there is no place to put stuff and less room for junk to collect, same thing applies to purses and houses.

Re:they have it all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462288)

It doesn't matter if there's room... They collect stuff anyway.

My girlfriend doesn't care if she has room or not... Her crap is more important than being able to sleep in her bedroom (no joke!). You have to wade through two tons of junk (still brand new in shopping bags) just to get to the front door!

There's a reason I'm posting anonymously...

just my opinion (4, Insightful)

greechneb (574646) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462187)

the article says only a volvo mechanic would be able to remove the bonnet... basically the whole front end. You think your mechanic will want to remove the whole front end just to replace a $5 part that would take 30 minutes, that will now take 2 hours? Of course they do get paid by the hour, so maybe it is a way of getting more shop time....

Re:just my opinion (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462251)

No worse than having to pull the engine on my Porsche 356 to replace the #3 spark-plug. (Using Weber carbs instead of the factory Solex or Zeniths, no room to get a tool in there to access it).

Of course, while the engine is out, I get to do all sorts of stuff to make it Better, like changing my starter bushing, checking the solenoid, starter brushes, adding a hard-start relay, cleaning everything, etc.

Re:just my opinion (4, Funny)

wayward_son (146338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462253)

This is a Volvo we're talking about here. There aren't any $5 parts on a Volvo. (At least in the U.S.)

Re:just my opinion (1)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462264)

A car designed by women sounds about as practical as a motorbike designed by italians.

It takes an hour to get to the spark plugs of my Ducati. The battery terminals are virtually inaccessible too, which for a bike with dodgy italian electrics is a real pain.

So what happens when the owner of this car leaves their lights on, drains the battery and the car has to be booked into a volvo dealer (the only people who can open the hood) to have the battery recharged?

HH
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Screw That! (4, Insightful)

xianzombie (123633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462188)

>The whole front of the car is moulded in one >piece which can be removed only by a Volvo >mechanic.

Great, so you can pay $40+ (USD) for an oilchange, along with god knows what a dealer charges for the rest of the routine maintence.

I mean, ok, so the cars geared for women, and we know they can't do their own maintence, but what if they have an ounce of common sense and realize theres no reason to pay dealer prices?

Re:Screw That! (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462274)

In the UK, Car Maintainence is now part of the driving test (apparently), and deals with things like oil changes, etc...

I mean, is it really that much of a problem to have a bonnet? What is the whole problem?!

Re:Screw That! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462294)

Great, so you can pay $40+ (USD) for an oilchange, along with god knows what a dealer charges for the rest of the routine maintence.

Only $40 for an oil change? I pay $70.. I must be getting screwed. Does it make much difference if I'm using synthetic oil? I know nothing about cars.

Re:Screw That! (1)

JosKarith (757063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462304)

Forget oil change - you'd be paying 4o for a fuse change. I see a lot of very rich mechanics...

By women, for women? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462189)

Actually, the article just seems to be about the reinforcement of stereotypes that women don't want to get their hands dirty fixing the car. The concept car is supposed to be "feminine", and quotes some woman about how she never wants to go under the hood. Stereotypes flourish in Scandinavia!

Re:By women, for women? (1)

claurent (680933) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462318)

Just because a stereotypical woman doesn't want access under the hood for themself...doesn't mean they should make it hard to get the access. It would seem that they just don't care to have access, or not have access. But not caring if they can or can't isn't really much of a requirement...it just means, they don't care, so do it any way you want.

I don't think women inherently want to spend more money to service their vehicle just because they are women..that happens enough already.

A sealed closed hood only means they will have to pay more to have the whole front removed for access, instead of just opening the hood.

A LOCK for the hood might have been more practical.
Of course, the article wasn't especially clear on the requirements and WHY they wanted the hood sealed.

What's so special? (1)

Paleomacus (666999) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462194)

It looks like every other concept car to me. They should have called it Yet Another Concept Car. YACC. Oh already taken...sorry, you can't make cars anymore!

Awful (5, Insightful)

ThePretender (180143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462197)

Now I can't be the only one who finds the generalizations made in the article offensive! And I'm not a woman and by no means some earthy-crunchy sensitive 90's-type guy.

On top of that, the concept is stupid. There are things that people (yes, even women) can do themselves under the hood of their own car. What's next? Welding our computer cases shut? (or at least making better "void your warranty" stickers)

missing a step (3, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462198)

so, did the women who designed it think that something under the hood would never break or that the car is disposable? Were the women who designed this some high maintaince women whos daddys/husbands buy them everything?

If it breaks under the hood how do you fix it????????????

Preferences = oil change? (2, Insightful)

chabegger (232188) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462200)

There is no way I would buy a car with the hood welded shut. Even with non open source software, you can modify things a little bit - every program has preferences to change. For example, in Word I like the blue background with white text. In my car, I want to know I can change the oil, fill my windshield wiper fluid and change my coolant whenever I want to.

Re:Preferences = oil change? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462265)

RTFA. They moved all inlets next to the fuel inlet, so they are all conceiled under this one cap.

Simple Solution (5, Insightful)

aliens (90441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462201)

Don't buy the car, it doesn't sell you won't see others like it.

That car was built by and for chicks. (1)

budhaboy (717823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462202)

and that says quite alot about the girlie-men who created and use Windows if you ask me.

concept car (1)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462203)

please keep in mind that this is a concept car and will never make it intto production. The ideas introduuced here are purely for show and might be brought into their actual product lines later on in this or other forms.

This is NOT a new car on the market with a hood welded shut.

Not a new idea (4, Interesting)

Stackster (454159) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462208)

The Audi A2, which actually is _in production_ (and has been for a couple of years) has a "locked" hood/bonnet too. There's just a small hatch where you can fill up washer fluid and cooling water .

Re:Not a new idea (1, Offtopic)

intertwingled (574374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462293)

I'd cut a hatch and add a latch and some hinges so I could access the engine compartment. I like doing my own minor maintenance and repairs. Of course this would probably void the warranty. Reminds me of my new ActionTec router modem. First thing I did when I got it was hook it up and telnet into it. There is a rich telnet interface to ActionTec R1524SU DSL router/modem. Then I noticed that the telnet interface was not documented in the pdf manual or on the ActionTec website. So I called the 1-800 tech support number, and got some guy in India who didn't know what to do (so much for outsourcing), so he escalated my call to 2nd tier tech support. I called THAT number, and got a techie in the United States who said "There is no documentation for the telnet interface, and if you telnet into the router/modem, you will void the warranty." Now that's about the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard anybody say, and I told him so. Then I asked, "what if a cracker or packet kiddie telnets into my router... does that void the warranty?". He didn't have an answer for that, so I hung up on him.

From the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462211)

Volvo will never actually take this car into production, of course.

There IS a God!

That's just silly (4, Insightful)

lovelee (133742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462212)

Just because some woman's organization thinks the only reason some women want to look under the bonnet is to add washer fluid doesn't mean females want to trek their car into a mechanic to check their oil or change a fuse (my fuse box is under the bonnet!).

Women gripe about how mechanics always treat them badly and try to take advantage of them anyway - why enable that by making a car that you can't check out, even if you wanted to?

bad idea... (1)

chazwurth (664949) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462214)

Even if they want to reinforce the idea that women shouldn't do their own repairs or ever get under the hood (which I think is bullshit), this is a horrible idea. What happens if the car needs a jump? What happens when the woman's husband or brother or whatever could do something minor, but can't now because only a volvo shop has the tools to open the hood? Now you'd need to pay for service? Maybe that's the idea.

Plastic covers are now common (1)

freelunch (258011) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462218)

In case it has been 10 or more years since you last looked, many engines are now completely obscured by plastic covers.

These covers hide the ugly bits and also help improve underhood airflow and thermodynamics. The auto companies extensively simulate underhood airflows.

The concept of a fully removable front section is a good one for ease of service (once you get it off). But not necessarily for collision repair costs.

Fine By Me ... (2, Interesting)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462220)

"The whole front of the car is moulded in one piece which can be removed only by a Volvo mechanic."

"... a car designed by women for women."

Fair enough. I know for sure my wife would never open a car bonnet. And anything that prevents me from having to do maintanance on her car is a plus.

No down side here from my point of view:

-Less hassle from Mrs
-Greater MPG due to better airflow
-Cleaner engine, moving parts would last longer

"Volvo will never actually take this car into production, of course."

They will if they get good press, look at the Audi TT.

Another common argument (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462222)

Another common argument made by people with common sense is, "do you demand a circuit diagram when you buy consumer electronics?"

No?

Well why do you want source code you'll never look at so much?

Re:Another common argument (0, Offtopic)

fr0dicus (641320) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462285)

We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!

- Vroomfondel

This is good how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462226)

"So we shifted the filling station for washer fluid to the side of the car, next to where you fill up fuel, and we closed the bonnet for good."

I know the article says that Volvo has no plans to actually produce this car and will instead use the ideas proposed for future models but, if the above is actually implemented how long before someone pours gas into their wiper fluid vent or vice versa?

Yes, I know that the openings would be different size but given an opening and not having two brain cells to rub together, someone will figure a way to do it.

Shouldn't this be posted in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462227)

the Apple section of /.? Seems right up their alley...The washer fluid has a beautiful new user interface, who cares if you can't check the oil or add antifreeze...

Welded shut in a car designed by and for women... (5, Interesting)

ravind (701403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462228)

So the question to ask, when queried about the benefits of open source is: "Are you a man?" :D

In fact you could also put that on a t-shirt - "Real Men Use Linux"

Thats why i prefer german cars... (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462232)

I prefer german cars, as they are well made, and yet they make it relatively easily for the user to do most work him/herself, if he/she wishes (after the courtesy service is over)..

My Mercedes C-Class is a dream to work with, and certainly one of the most easiest cars to maintain...

My Ex-wife (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462233)

If my Ex-wife is any indication this is a good thing (TM)!If only for the safety of the engine.

Seriously though I doubt it would be any different than having to have torx head screwdrivers or something. Big deal! I don't work on my car much any more, outside of preventive maintenance. If I break down on the side of the road OAMTC takes care of it.

Bumper Stickers (2, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462236)

I did some very rudimentary artwork for two LWE2002 bumper stickers, one of which carries this slogan. "Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?" (Tagline 'If your software doesn't include the source code, switch.') There were press articles mentioning these stickers.

This is just a Volvo concept car, with other ridiculously sexist language in the press releases, and features that will never find a production car. It sounded straight from a Heinlein book, with mixed up mysogyny and girl-worship all wrapped together.

However, if you ever DO see one of these cars, I'd love a photograph of it sporting my Linux sticker. I'll have to make one which says, "My OTHER car's hood isn't welded shut!"

I nominate this... (1)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462239)

I nominate this for ... Worst. Idea. Ever.

The scenario that comes most easily to mind is that of the car breaking down on the highway. What are you going to do, without a cellphone, without being able to access the hood? What if the temp outside is subzero and you're 5 miles from the nearest inhabitant?

As the result of a company policy, this hypothetical person would be in a pretty horrible position (unless some nice motorist happened to stop by....Like that would happen =P)

Granted, the article does say many of the features on this "prototype" will never exist in actual production cars; but, I do not think the hood-less feature will ever be released to the market, unless it has a failsafe phone-home device when it breaks down.

Crits aside though, the car is pretty nice, and it is also good to see that we are able to make cars easier for the dumba^H^H^H^H^Hnormal people who drive cars and don't want to be concerned with how their car works.

breakdown service?? (4, Insightful)

ponxx (193567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462242)

I'm not particularly convinced by this car... what happens if it breaks down on the motorway? Do you have to call the Volvo break down service? How about a dead battery? Or just flat one when you need a jump-start? What if you want to get an oil-change at a garage round the corner? It strikes me as the kind of thing a car maker would do to increase their slice of the servicing market, much like some up-market cars that have rare or very odd parts so that only "authorised garages" are likely to be able to do anything beyond chancingin the oil...

Most of the other design features also sound more like bunch of men were having a laugh as to what a woman wants in a car... like being able to colour-coordinate with your clothes... Please!!!

I guess doing this kind of design study is a good way of getting publicity though, even made it onto slashdot...

Robin

Wow, insulting maybe? (2, Insightful)

The Wing Lover (106357) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462245)

"Women are soooo bad with cars that they can't even be trusted with a hood that can open!"

Come on! Just because a lot of women don't do their own maintenance, does that mean that the hood should be locked shut? I mean, women who *don't* know how to do their own spark plug changes or oil changes would still be smart enough to just not open the hood, wouldn't they?

'Sides, the car-repair show on the local radio program is hosted by a woman who is a genius when it comes to mechanics -- I wonder what she'd have to say about it.

Business Venture! (4, Funny)

beware1000 (678753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462246)

anyone wanna join in on a business that produces 'warranty void if seal broken' stickers? There seems to be a rapidly growing market for it...

What is freedom? (1)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462248)

- The ability to have a choice over the matter.

"id like my volvo with a open hood tyvm"

"/Dread"

The Volvo's doors are gull wing?! (1)

Libertarian_Geek (691416) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462252)

I guess they don't expect future drivers to have to use parking lots either. Didn't they learn from Delorean?

Perfect for my mom! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462254)

...if it would keep her from adding windshied washer fluid where the engine oil goes.

Again.

**grrr***

Rioting, Ravaging and iRResposibility! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462259)

Only this time, it is common sense spelt with an F for Feminine rather than Farmer.

Geez, I was looking for Kent Brockman's byline at the top of that.

Car welded shut is illegal in this country (4, Interesting)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462268)

IBM lost several anti-trust cases based on exclusive service agreements with customers, and invalidating warrenties for user-installed parts. (The big three also tried these shenanigans back in the day, AND LOST.)

I don't know what the legal precidents are in Europe, but in the US Volvo would be laughed out of court if someone sued.

Overly optimistic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462269)

but probably not far off.
I don't believe this is a good idea for autos based on IC engines, though.
But when hydrogen cars become a reality (5-20 years depending on the source), do you really want Joe Six-pack mucking around in there trying to decide why the car won't go anymore? And with the GM "skateboard" concept, there won't be a hood to look under (except for luggage). All power will be coming from fuel cells and the motive components will be all-electric motors in each wheel hub. With this configuration, there isn't much you can do in the way of tinkering without having your own machine shop.

Only a Volvo mechanic? *snicker* (3, Interesting)

curtisk (191737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462272)

What are they intending to do, design a custom bolt system and tool that ONLY Volvo can get their hands on? I believe GM has tried that in the past "..only use GM tool #xxxxx to remove"

Please.....if someone wants that hood(bonnet) off , its coming off.....Volvo certified or not

It's amazing what improv tools mechanics can come up with

silly question (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462275)

umm how are they gonna get out of the car??? look at the picture. the doors swing up? so do i shut off the car and roll it into the parking spot? or was this designed to only be parallel parkable?

.yawn. (3, Insightful)

aixou (756713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462281)

The analogy is flawed. Not having access to the source code of a program does not mean that you can not troubleshoot or perform basic maintenance on it.

A car with a welded hood would be like having a harddrive that couldn't be defragged, it would be like not being able to use anti-virus software.

Source code isn't everything. I perform basic maintenance on closed source programs everyday. It could be argued that a closed source easy-troubleshootable program is actually easy to fix than an opensource program whose developers don't give a crap about trying to help people troubleshoot.

Sounds a little open to abuse (1, Funny)

microbox (704317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462291)

The whole front of the car is moulded in one piece which can be removed only by a Volvo mechanic.

and this...

The car should be programmed to discover any problems under the bonnet, then send a message to the garage to let them know.

Sound great for people who are too rich to have to learn something about their car, like where the brake fluid goes. I give this one 2 thumbs down, and if my neighbour got one, well... it would be a laugh

pathetic analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8462295)

First off, most modern cars are beyond the ability of people to work on anyhow and don't go talking about chip mods, thats not hacking, fixing, or diagnosing, thats just parts replacement unless you are the one re-writing the firmware which I highly doubt.

Secondly, open source doesn't break down in the same sense as a car. Code doesn't wear out.

Back in the day people would overbore cylinders, jet carbs, match ports, tune exhaust *themselves*. These days its a bunch of wannabe racers or more correctly wanna look-like racers who buy bolt on parts purchased online. That is simply not analgous to working with code, its more like buying plugins for photoshop.

This bears watching (4, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462298)

This bears watching, especially since a "special" mechanics tool will be required to remove the one piece front end. Stick a "void if removed" warranty sticker over the "special" tool hole, enlist the DMCA and you've got an engine that can never legally be maintained by the owner. If you really want to go whole hog you call the "special" tool a security device and DMCA the car itself.

Just think, cars of the future could be the permanent property of the automotive world. You wouldn't but them, you would license them. I understand Idrive from BMW has a license sticker installed on the windshield that you are forced to accept (by removing) in some countries in order to use the car. All of this could be done with the law as it is today. Circumvention could be prosecuted under the DMCA.

Manufactures would love this because it would force people to get their maintence, even routine maintenence would have to be done at the dealership at their extremely expensive rates. Rates so expensive an entire industry literaly grew up around alternative service options.

Now for the outlandish. This would be a good thing - because it would show joe sixpack how licensing and the DMCA are uncapitalistic and harmful. Your plumber may not give two hoots about a computer, but you can be sure he'll raise hell if he finds out he can't change his own oil or give the old jalolopee to his kids.

In other news... (-1, Offtopic)

JayJay.br (206867) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462307)

...the RIAA will start selling CDs in their own CD Player each, with no possibility to open it. ...your next stove will only cook one type of meal. ...you will not be able to paint the walls of your own house. ...posting comments in /. will be a violation of the DMCA.

They don't have to weld the hood shut. (5, Insightful)

cblguy (697834) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462308)

Modern auto engineering is about packing as many options in as little space as possible - all while allowing room to cool the engine.

Many vehicles are designed to have "minor" service with "major" pain. Ever look under the hood of a minivan? Good luck changing the fuel injectors, or a spark plug. Most of these will require removal of at least the intake manifold's upper plenum (along with accessories), if not dropping the engine cradle.

For many people, a "welded" hood already exists - they don't want to open it anyway. It's not for me (I wrench my own cars - rebuilding my own transmission this weekend). But for others, why not. A welded hood is not much of a difference than the way my father-in-law treats his Cadillac anyway.

My problem (2, Interesting)

lexarius (560925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8462309)

My problem isn't so much the engine being inaccessible. My problem is that someone thought magnetized seat covers were a good idea. When I get in the car, where do I put my laptop?
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