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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is Available

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the 2.6.3-goodness dept.

Mandriva 348

joestar writes "The new 'Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community' release has just been announced. It provides many new features including Linux 2.6.3, MagicDev, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4, a new Mandrakeonline service and others. Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members and 10.0 developers. A 10.0 DVD is also available at MandrakeStore. This a first step for this new exciting Mandrake, because in May, an Official version will appear, and both versions will officially be supported. Happy downloads!"

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The All New Mandrake 10! (-1, Flamebait)

poptix_work (79063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465747)

Now with Banner Ads on your desktop to fund the Mandrake Club!

Seriously, does anyone even use Mandrake anymore? Fedora has it beat and doesn't have some money grubbing exclusive "club". I've found Fedora to be everything I need on the desktop, with all the above features and more. Perhaps the Mandrake developers should stop begging for money and contribute to something that has a chance.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (3, Insightful)

Trolling4Columbine (679367) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465789)

"Seriously, does anyone even use Mandrake anymore?"

I will; Mandrake 10.0 is the only distro that I know of that has 2.6 support right out of the box.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0)

Bigby (659157) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465831)

I believe Gentoo 2004a does. Before that, it was as easy as "emerge development-sources", configure, build, copy to "/boot", and configure grub.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465914)

By "out of the box", of course, I mean a clean install, not upgrading an existing kernel.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466103)

Why are you retarded? Why?

Gentoo is a hack for an install. Mandrake is not. Easy as that. That's sort of what he was hinting at when he said "box".

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466228)

slackware 9.1 had 2.6 "support" out of the box. you simply had to download the 2.6.x kernel and compile.

funny how slackware is always ignored yet it's the oldest distro that is still alive.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0, Flamebait)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465811)

Oh fuck off with your stomped-on redhat distro. LOTS of people use Mandrake. And more will as time goes on.

Talk about money grubbing, look at Redhat and their "Well, we're not making money at this, so we're going to spit on everyone who made us what we are, the distro that got us going." I washed my hands of Redhat when I heard their greedy statements. Fedora is a fucking toy compared to Mandrake. Redhat's shitty GUI replacements for things like LinuxConf suck ass. Redhat fucked the open source community and I (and many others out there) refuse to use their shit after that.

I started on Redhat, but found Mandrake years ago, and haven't seen anything that beats it for usability and adherence to Linux and open source traditions.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (-1, Offtopic)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465861)

Flamebait? Um, no, that posting was an outright flame OF a flamebait posting...

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466225)

Translation: I'm a cheap bastard who won't pay for anything. I buy my hardware at the salvation army and dammit, it runs great! I need nothing from no one! And my army, who just like me needs nothing from no one, is going to take over the world with our cheap ass software and hardware! We're going to win against a multi-billion dollar company with some of the deepest roots in every business and markets and politics in America! Muahahaha!

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465912)

Mandrake will go bancrupt soon. They need to make some funding if they are not to go under.

Red-Hat on the other hand is the devil among distros. I was long a Red-Hat user but will not go back to them. The comersialism has taken them over, trying to lock users in their web. No thank you.

Use free and open distros instead. Like Gentoo.

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (4, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466190)

> Mandrake will go bancrupt soon. They need to make
> some funding if they are not to go under.

Unfortunately for you, it seems you'll have to hear from Mandrake still for a while:

MandrakeSoft's First Quarter Results for 2003/2004: +8.4% revenue, +28.9% gross margin, 270,000 profit (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/community/man drakesoftnews/news?n=/mandrakesoft/finance/2450 [mandrakesoft.com] )

Re:The All New Mandrake 10! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466208)

hm...Mandrake already declared bankruptcy, and if you've been reading anything, they are finally making money again and the court has given them an extension. keep up on the news, man...

Too many linux distros (-1, Insightful)

menuconfig (759076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465749)

Call me a troll, but I think it would really help the OSS community if we focused our efforts on one or two distros, not 10 or 20.

I agree 100% (5, Funny)

krog (25663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465779)

Ideally we'd have one CD with NetBSD on it, and a guard with an AK-47 present to make sure the user didn't do anything stupid.

The distro I describe is most closely matched in the Linux world by Slackware.

Re:Too many linux distros (4, Insightful)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465782)

Call me a troll, but I think it would really help the OSS community if we focused our efforts on one or two distros, not 10 or 20.
There aren't 10 or 20 distros, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, and the reason there's so many is because different people want different things, for example Debian is better at running webservers on than Mandrake. If the two distros were spliced together, the package would be much bigger, and most people would only use half of it anyway.

Re:Too many linux distros (2, Informative)

dubdays (410710) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465886)

And you do have to remember that Mandrake is the largest distro in use in North America. AFAIK, SuSE's the biggest in Europe, and TurboLinux is the largest in Asia.

Re:Too many linux distros (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466157)

And you do have to remember that Mandrake is the largest distro in use in North America.

It is? I would have assumed Red Hat has that honour. Of course, usage statistics often have large error margins - not in the commercial world, where there at least is the number of sales as a base, and not in the open-source world where the number of downloads is also relevant but cannot effectively be measured. (And of course, neither sales nor downloads actually mean that the product is in use...)

Well that's open source for you. (0, Troll)

bad enema (745446) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465790)

With too many ideas, people will just modify a distro to do something better, different, etc.

That's what UserLinux is for (4, Interesting)

Burz (138833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465794)

To ensure a minimum level of functionality and consistency between distributions.

I have long thought that Linux needed an analog to Microsoft's once very-useful MultiMedia PC standard.

Re:Too many linux distros (2, Insightful)

philippeqc (466804) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465808)

Yes, I agree with you, but the problem is, theses 2 or 3 distros wont be the ones you (or I) want. So you will end up forking one of them to address your own needs.

Re:Too many linux distros (5, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465817)

Why? The various distros exist because different people have different needs and different ideas about the way things work. If all those people tried to focus on one or two distros, all they'd do is disagree, meaning no progress would be made, and they'd probably just end up forking.

Another way to look at it is from a project management standpoint: adding new bodies to a project does not mean the project will progress faster or improve. In fact, more bodies can actually *decrease* productivity. So, "focusing" all that effort into just one or two projects may not be an effective way to make use of resources.

Lastly, don't forget, competition is a key to innovation. Having various distros competing for market share means they'll compete, and cooperate, meaing a better result for everyone. How can this be bad?

Re:Too many linux distros (2, Funny)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465827)

I agree, let's make it 2 Disk XWindows and Slackware only (since those are the distros I use).

Lol, one or two! Sir would you like embedded or full linux with your PC?

Thanks for the laugh.

Re:Too many linux distros (5, Funny)

dylan_- (1661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465836)

Excellent idea. I presume I get to choose which two, so I'll go for Gentoo and Mandrake. Shall I tell Redhat they've got to close down, or will you?

This is a strength! (5, Insightful)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465839)

Having many distros is a -strength- of linux, not a hinderance.

We don't need less distros, we need some idea of continuity between them using standards, such as:
-Standard packaging system (no more .rpm, .deb. .tgz... just one type)
-Standard directory structure

There are some others, but these are the major two. More distros = good, but lets try to package them all similarly, please!

Re:Too many linux distros (3, Insightful)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465868)

I think it does help having multiple distros (at least more than one or two). The reasons are that some distros are conservative (e.g. Redhat does not have ntfs enabled by default, has its own bluecurve, and does not have media player related stuff -- out of these, the ntfs is a biggie for dual boot systems). Likewise, some distros have more support for bleeding edge devices (e.g. SATA support on Mandrake 9.2 RC was available but not on Fedora beta). I will also state the obvious example of Redhat/Fedora stuff.

Where can we draw the line? In my opinion 100/1000 distros is unimaginable. 10 is not that bad a number.

S

Re:Too many linux distros (5, Funny)

HunkaHunkaBurninLove (411198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465888)

Let's let the free market determine if there are too many distributions. If we only need a few, Mandrake would be one of them anyway.

On the other hand, the UN should step in and limit the number of options when buying toothpaste. That decision has become mindboggling.

Re:Too many linux distros (0, Flamebait)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465989)

Troll!!! ;-) To an extent you are right, part of Apples and Microsofts success is tight control of how things work. One of my arguments is needing to provide uniformity for users and developers. The fringe elements will always be there for those that want them, nobody is stopping you from running fvwm2 if you want, but common interfaces and ways of doing things help drive acceptance.

Re:Too many linux distros (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466062)

"Call me a troll..."

Done. (or rather: modded you one).

I'm happy to please users who start - or include - in their posts sentences like: "Mod me down if you wish, but..."; "Call me a troll, but..."

You're welcome.

Re:Too many linux distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466099)

I agree 100%. Shotgun marketing has been proven time and time again to net a paltry 1% of it's targeted market. A total waste of talent, if you ask me. What really gets me is that the Linux community actually thinks its productive or even necessary to keep rehashing the same territory over and over again. Seriously, folks, I'm not trolling, I'm just wondering why there needs to be so many distros? It's not like one distro really fulfils a need that the others don't address. I understand a minimal distro is appropriate for a hardware router or what not, but seriously, isn't 100+ distros just plain excessive? I'm just curious about the Linux community's justification for such a massive amount of distros.

Re:Too many linux distros (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466158)

If there's 1 or 2 then one would be commercial, leaving a choice of free or not free. Currently I have a choice of one or two decent free distros, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware etc.. each have their own merits.

Many distros have their own agenda and uses, not to mention quite a few of them are based on others.

I wonder (3, Funny)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465754)

Is this 10.0 release more important than the 9.0 release? As 1.0 releases are always more important than 0.9 releases. Hope you can follow my train of thought :)

Re:I wonder (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466105)

Get a life. Your particular brand of humor is not funny in the real world. Now, dust those week old potato chip crumbs off yourself, peel the sweat soaked, coffee stained t-shirt off and throw it away, and go meet some women.

Naming convention (0, Offtopic)

imr (106517) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466221)

The MDK being the linux based OS of MandrakeSoft and in its tenth iterations, it was even planned to be named:
GNU/Linux MS OS X
Then someone said:
"maybe the ridiculous trial with the wizard is enough?"

OT: Bash question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465775)

Can you send a process to the background after it has started? (already started without &)

Namechange? (4, Insightful)

dmp123 (547038) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465776)

What happened about the namechange?

We had an article on /. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name due to some French wizard cartoon or similar (I didn't RTFA, of course ;)!

Is this now resolved?

David

Re:Namechange? (5, Informative)

krammit (540755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465848)

They appealed the decision and, through the magic of the court system, the final decision on a name change is years away.

Damn frogs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465919)

It's the damnfrogs. No one listens to them anyway, like when they argued in favor of sadam.

Re:Namechange? (4, Insightful)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465979)

If you look at all the 10.0 press releases and features page, you'll see that they slightly changed the wording: "Mandrake Linux" is now written "Mandrakelinux", "MandrakeStore" is written "Mandrakestore" and so on...

How about 187soft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466070)

> We had an article on /. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name ...

#1: What's a 187?
#2: I don't know.
Computer: Murder, Death, Kill. Murder, Death, Kill.

Stallone can be their spokesman. Killing the competition since 1998.

First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (5, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465781)

I've never used Mandrake, but I am very happy to see a major distribution pick up the 2.6 kernel for regular usage.

Here's my question: Are 2.6 kernel changes going to affect "Joe User"?

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (5, Informative)

cbozic (679475) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465818)

The 2.6 Kernel comes with the alsa sound system built in. If you had to install alsa seprately before, this will be a welcome change.

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (4, Informative)

Pope Raymond Lama (57277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466196)

This however won't affect Mandrake users, since ALSA has been the default sound system for years under Mandrake.

But the previous releases had some issues with devfs (also default), and it seens that it has changed to "udev" on kernel 2.6. I hope the issues are over.

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (5, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465829)

Considering the change to the scheduler to make everything seem snappier, the increased ammount of drivers for newer hardware, all the performance enhancement... Even my mom would be able to tell the difference between 2.4 and 2.6 on day to day usage. Its just that good.

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (3, Interesting)

skiflyer (716312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465954)

This comment comes from a linux intermediate, but from what I've seen so far, it's helping out quite a bit for those with laptops.

NO, THE 2.6 KERNEL WILL DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465957)

That's why it is included in Mandrake 10.0.. it's a feature like those killed firmwares in inferior LG drives.

Here's my question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465997)

...does joe user even know what the word kernel means other than that guy that makes chicken or those worthless bastards at the bottom of the popcorn bag that didn't pop?

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (1)

kundor (757951) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466093)

It runs a lot better on amd64, that's for sure. (2.4 series is deprecated, and may even have memory corruption issues if you're using devfs.)

Eventually, the udev system will make device management, especially for hotpluggable usb devices and stuff, much easier. Changing the order that things are plugged in won't change their device names, for example. There's even a script that gives cds names based on album and artist!

It's not quite ready for primetime yet, I don't think, but a couple more releases, along with initramfs, should see it working well.

Re:First major distro with 2.6 kernel release (2, Interesting)

theantix (466036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466171)

If Joe User has anything like my experience I'd suggest it will affect him quite a bit. I've not yet got 2.6 to recognize my PS/2 mouse without a kernel patch to restore the old-style /dev/psaux functionality after trying with debian, fedora, knoppix 3.4, and kernel.org kernels. Hopefully these issues have been fixed for Mandrake's release, because it's preventing me and others from adopting 2.6.

Distributions (0, Troll)

randalware (720317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465802)

I vote for an assisted "roll your own cd distro"

pick the packages by group/subgroup/individually and create install/hw detection scripts and roll an iso image.

There is NO value add to most distrobutions.

Just additional install voodoo scripts.

Re:Distributions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466041)

OK, sounds good.

You are now in charge of holding every Linux newbie's hand through a full stage1 Gentoo install. From start to finish, every single newbie, every single time.

Accept your new position with pride, and try to make sure you're outside when you blow your brains out out of frustration.

Re:Distributions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466078)

There is NO value add to most distrobutions.
Troll troll troll troll troll troll.

For you there may be no add value to distributions, but think of the newbies!

I'm trying to convert a friend (a sophisticated enough Windows user to have a hard-working server in the basement). I'm starting with Knoppix; if I had to tell him to pick the packages by group/subgroup/individually and create install/hw detection scripts and roll an iso image I'd never move him away from MS.

Check out Rubyx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466179)

http://www.rubyx.org

Everything is a package, including the kernel. You specify the list of packages you want and it builds a system for you (and it can create an iso image as well).

Rubyx is much more flexible than other similar approaches: Your aren't limited to a Linux kernel for example, you could choose to use a different (gasp!) kernel like FreeBSD, Hurd or Darwin to run your system.

Not the first with 2.6... (4, Informative)

carl67lp (465321) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465806)

Gentoo beat Mandrake by a few days, with its 2004.0 release. And yes, I consider this a "major" distribution, folks. It's got some of the best documentation around, too.

Re:Not the first with 2.6... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465870)

Official Gentoo-Linux-Zealot translator-o-matic

Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes and leprotards who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...

"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."

"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."

"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."

"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."

"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."

"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."

"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."

"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"

-

br

Re:Not the first with 2.6... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465910)

> It's got some of the best documentation around, too.

1. Because it needs it.
2. You can read the documentation exactly and still end up with a system that won't boot. :(

Re:Not the first with 2.6... (0, Troll)

xutopia (469129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466029)

I'm still compiling my Gentoo whereas I could get Mandrake installed within 1 hour.

Re:Not the first with 2.6... (1)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466101)

I thought that the 2004.0 release was a test release?

At any rate, a Gentoo user compiles his own kernel, right? I know you could use a stage3 kernel, but the documentation that is so wonderful goes through the process of building the kernel yourself. Hence, it doesn't really ship with a 2.6 kernel, just the sources.

Because of that, you could argue that the distribution I use [www.crux.nu] has been using 2.6 for a long time, since I put the 2.6 sources onto my Crux CD before I install it.

Besides, I won't consider any distribution to be really USING 2.6 it one ships with a glibc compiled against 2.6 (right now in cvs, but what will be the next version). IIRC, Gentoo is still building glibc against 2.4 headers, is it not?

Granted, Mandrake is too, so I'm splitting hairs.

Might be worth a look... (2, Interesting)

carlmenezes (204187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465809)

..to check out the new 2.6.3 kernel considering the major changes needed to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel if you've compiled your Linux system from source like I have.

When are non-member ISO's.... (3, Interesting)

DeionXxX (261398) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465812)

going to be made available? 1 week? 2 weeks?

-- D3X

NeoX3.com: The One Site for Free Adult Entertainment [neox3.com]

Re:When are non-member ISO's.... (4, Funny)

imr (106517) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466166)

9.2 was available around 2 weeks (it felt even more) after the club release. I know, my club contribution had stopped a little bit ealier and my bank really didnt want me to even feed myself at that time.
Starving and not being able to download your distro, that's really hard times. It could have been worse tho', I could have been on windows.

Noteworthy.... (5, Informative)

dubdays (410710) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465856)

One of the best things about the new Mandrake (to me, anyway) is that it's the first fully supported FREE distro that has Samba 3 built into it. In the past, Samba 3 was available for Mandrake, but support for it was flaky. Sure, you could fork out $1000 or more for Red Hat Enterprise, but why? Even SuSE 9.0 had Samba 2.2.x in it. While I'm sure there are things that need to be refined and will be fixed in the "Official" version, it's a great way for us Windows converts to get our feet wet with the new Samba, instead of learning the old way and having to change our approach with the major overhaul in version 3.

Just my 2 cents....

Re:Noteworthy.... (1)

dubdays (410710) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466077)

I guess this is why I love Mandrake so much. They really give back to the OSS community without asking for a lot in return. Sure, Debian also does this, but you wait forever for items to exit the "unstable" stage. And not to be a troll/flaimbat, but how many commercial distros really give back to the community to the same extent that Mandrake does? Sure, SuSE has a free installation OVER FTP! Sure, it works, but how many people have the time/connection to do this efficiently? To mirror the entire version you need is like 8GB+! And all Red Hat does is use Fedora to "test the waters before diving in". No download for any part of the commercial version.

My money stays with Mandrake!

Re:Noteworthy.... (4, Interesting)

gregarican (694358) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466230)

What I do is check out Linux software books from my public library. They typically include CD's with full distributions on them. That's how I got Red Hat 8.0. Beats paying for supposedly free software or having to watch hundreds of megs crawl across the wire...

Not a troll, but... (-1, Offtopic)

aclarke (307017) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465882)

I won't call you a troll, but I WILL call you a karma whore for posting a comment like this requiring absolutely no brain cell activity a mere 1 minute after the story posted. Good job, I say.

Which version of KDE 3.2? (3, Interesting)

dzym (544085) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465899)

Is it 3.2.0? Because the KDE devs basically told all packagers that it was buggy shit and "don't use it" and to instead wait for 3.2.1, which was released to distro packagers only a few days ago.

Seems awfully fast for Mandrake to have already included the 3.2.1 fixes (multimegabyte).

This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I have to wait longer for some (major) things than bloody edged distros like Gentoo.

Re:Which version of KDE 3.2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466004)

Could you "basically" post some evidence of this bull?

" Is it 3.2.0? Because the KDE devs basically told all packagers that it was buggy shit and "don't use it""

Re:Which version of KDE 3.2? (2, Informative)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466088)

It's true, it appeared on www.kde.org.

Basically, they found a few serious bugs with kmail and they advised to repackage kde 3.2 from the stable cvs branch or wait for 3.2.1

Re:Which version of KDE 3.2? (3, Funny)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466023)

It's 3.2.0 but according to the changelog, they applied many patches.

>This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I
>have to wait longer for some (major) things than >bloody edged distros like Gentoo.

Wait for Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official... it will be 100% bug free...

Re:Which version of KDE 3.2? (2, Interesting)

King Elessar (754728) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466074)

Yes it includes KDE 3.2. Maybe some have noticed Mandrake's recent press release regarding their new development model. The plan is to release a "Community Release", and then a month or two later release the "Official Release" which will be the retail version also.

In this way, they are offering the best of both worlds, the Community Release, which is fairly stable, much more so than cooker; or for those who need a rock solid release that's been tested for several months, there's the Official Release.

I'd expect to see KDE 3.2.1 updates available shortly, and then of course it would be in the 10.0 Official Release.

You KNOW you wanna call it Mandrake X. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465905)

Because you know you do.

Re:You KNOW you wanna call it Mandrake X. (1)

jefdiesel (633290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466172)

but then you'll sound like all those dummies who call it OS 'ECKS'..

I'm not sure, but I don't think the Romans pronounced the numerals as letters..

(hazy flashback..)
hey Slashadelius, bring me some more wine and slave girls!
How many do you want Dotamitus?
eye eye urns of wine, and vee wenches!
(/hazy flashback)

See!!

How updating works? (1)

Koyaanisqatsi (581196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465932)

I'm not that new to linux, but i don't use it for work and so far I have allways installed it on test systems, allways starting fresh, trying a distro here, another there.

Eventually I'll have a stable system, with drivers for custom hardware (802.11 USB card), a fine-tuned XFree86.config, shell config scripts, the list goes on.

In this scenario, how most distros handle the update process? Will I have to strart from scratch again, or is it mostly painless?

Re:How updating works? (4, Informative)

kundor (757951) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466207)

Mandrake has an awesome tool called urpmi.

If you want to use the gui, it's completely painless. Open the Mandrake Configuration Wizard, go to packaging, click update. By default it only gets security fixes, you'll want bugfixes and general updates as well, so check those, and select all the updates, and click install.

If you have broadband, one of the first things you should do with mandrake is remove the cd's as package sources (in the gui, just to to packaging->manage media, or something like that, and delete the cd sources) and follow the directions at http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php to add ftp mirrors. Then you can install programs on the command line (as root) by saying "urpmi package." For instance, urpmi gaim will install gaim. "urpmi -y blah" searches. "urpme package" uninstalls. "urpmi --auto-select" updates everything. The gui tools can do all this too.

My experience with Mandrake (3, Funny)

Muda69 (718162) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465941)

About two weeks ago I decided to try and install Linux on my old K6-2 450mhz machine gathering dust in the basement. A friend of mine gave me a few cd's that had something called 'Mandrake' on it.

He said "This is supposed to be the most user-friendly 'distro' out there. Give it a try."

So with trepidation about wiping out my beloved win98se install on the old machine, I jumped right in.

On firing up the install disk, the Man-drake installer asked me if I wanted to remove the win98se partition that already existed. After pondering this for several minutes I though, 'what the hell, I can always reinstall it!' So I let it fly.

After what seemed like 45 minutes of swapping cd's in-and-out of the drive, the man-drake (isn't that some sort of bird?) installer ask me what I wanted to use this linux machine for. So many choices! games, office, mail server, web server, about 2 dozen choices flooded my screen. This is madness! So after carefully considerating my options
I decided to choose them all! I would be a Linux power-user to end all linux power-users!

So after this decision was made I waited. And waited. And waited. During this I started to wonder. My Windows XP Home intallation on my other Peecee didn't ask me thse kind of questions, and it easily has the all the abilities that man-drake advertised to have. After all, I paid for WinXP Home. Sigh, I guess this it the price one pays
for being part of the linux elite.

Approximately 50 mintues later I get another prompt from the man-drake installer asking me what kind of GUI I wanted to use, KDE or GNOME. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I selected both and let it fly.

After only about 20 mintues this time it appeared the install was completed. The mandrake installer told me it was going to reboot and then I would revel in Linux goodness. I waited with baited breath while the reboot churned away, eagerly waiting the opportuntity to use the KDE/GNOME interface. Page after page of command line
stuff flew by my screen, seeming to get faster and faster as the time of my linux deliverance approached. Then, the screen flashed black (kinda like those scenes from the movie Wargames). I gasped and was presented with something like this:

bsh: blah/blah/blah/ ____

What the hell was this? Wasn't this man-drake linux supposed to be user friendly? Instead of the friendly confines of a WinXP like GUI instead I was given an ugly DOS like prompt, which looked supiciously like the TRS-80 system I first learned BASIC on in high school. Is this all the farther the great open-source movement has progressed?

After serveral minutes of sobbing and knashing of teeth, I came to a decision. All the linux fags out there were not going to defeat me! They were not going to cry "Bend over WinXP boy, you're going to take linux OUR WAY and like it!".

I quickly found my old musty copy of 'Unix in a Nutshell' from my college days and got to work. In a few hours I found out how to start the KDE GUI. This made life so much easier. After several days I was able to get the machine's 14.4 internal modem working with man-drake and connected to the internet, using a browser called Mozilla. Where oh where were the glorious pop-ups that appeared as I was surfing porn sites? Those bastards!

After several more days I was starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Using something called Gimp to manipulate my growing collection of adult images was becoming a habit. And because I was ashamed to let my friends and neighbors know I was using a gasp! free operating system like mandrake, I kept the pee-cee in the basement. Now my girlfriend things the sounds emanating from below are me just woodworking or lifting weights. I guess linux has freed me after all!

Where can non club members get it? (1, Interesting)

sp00 (639381) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465952)

Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members
Any torrents for non-club members?

DVD? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8465969)

Will there be a download version of the DVD, or some way to build it on a non-Linux-but-still-nixish system? It would be a lot more convenient if I could hand people a single bootable DVD instead of a stack of CDs.

Read/Write Support for NTFS? (5, Interesting)

Puchku (615680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465971)

From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/10.0/100PR.php3 Server deployments also benefit from interoperability with MS-Windows(R) systems thanks to enhanced support of Windows' Logical Disk Manager and new read/write NTFS support. Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable? This is an imporatant issue, because it had the unfortunate tendancy of causing the windows install to get screwed. (sometimes, not all times) Thugh of you who have used write support successfully, please comment.

Re:Read/Write Support for NTFS? (3, Interesting)

c4Ff3In3 4ddiC+ (661808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466211)

Regarding ntfs write support, you can only write to existing files and you can't change the size of the file.

PPC? (1)

kmonsen (606584) | more than 10 years ago | (#8465980)

Do they still develop for PPC? It seems like all we get is gentoo these days.

Re:PPC? (1)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466181)

I love linux just as much as the next guy... but really... who's going to run Linux on a Mac?

OS X is the operating system to use on a Mac, no ifs, ands, or buts. It's got a great GUI, BSD underpinnings, and it's designed to work hand in hand with Apple hardware. Heck, it's even got X!

Re:PPC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466182)

Debian!!

Re:PPC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466226)

Do they still develop for PPC? It seems like all we get is gentoo these days.

And Yellow Dog [yellowdoglinux.com] , and Debian [debian.org] , and Slackware [exploits.org] , and Mandrake [linux-mandrake.com] , and SuSE [suse.com] , and...

Ahh, poor Gentoo fanboys, their minds are so narrow. Go back to your silly portage, little boy.

lvm1-lvm2 (2, Interesting)

crazyharry (711228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466021)

What I would like to know is have they provided and easy upgrade (ie automagicly) from 2.4 lvm1 to 2.6 lvm2?

Re:lvm1-lvm2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466071)

LVM2 is backwards compatible with LVM1, so I should say it can't be any easier than that. Boot it up, LVM1 volumes should be detected as normal.

Re:lvm1-lvm2 (1)

crazyharry (711228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466149)

the 10-beta did not reocgnize my 9.0 defined lvgs which made an upgrade or even -leave my /home alone and install everthing else clean- impossible. I considered trying the path that systina has on thier website but figured I'd wait till 10.0 went final

Personally I like (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8466162)

Peoplesoft. That name just cracks me up. People....soft. Sounds like another Viagra ad.

x86-64 support? (2, Interesting)

-tji (139690) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466204)

Will they have an ISO with x86-64 support for my Athlon 64? If I'm making the jump to kernel 2.6, it might also be a good time to jump to native 64 bit mode..

Mandrake 10.0 should rock (2, Informative)

peter_gzowski (465076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8466222)

I've been using Mandrake Cooker for a few weeks now, and I think kernel 2.6 + kde 3.2 is awesome. My computer feels way faster. There are some problems (I haven't updated in a few days, so these may have gotten fixed):

1) My HP PSC 2210 USB printer doesn't work (worked in 9.2).
2) My wife's Sony Vaio has a problem loading the agpgart module on bootup. When I get to the console, I modprobe agpgart and startx, and everything's fine (again, worked in 9.2).
3) OpenOffice hasn't made any advances in the last couple months (still at 1.1). Not Mandrake's fault, I realize, just a general complaint. OpenOffice is still soooooo slow.

Anyone know how cooker relates to this version? I'm assuming this is just a snapshot of cooker.
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