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Losing Control of Your TV

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the no-surpise-there dept.

Television 633

sp00 writes "The MPAA is now trying to prevent high quality copies made from TV broadcasts. The latest anti-piracy move will prevent you from making high-quality copies of broadcast TV programs. And the new "broadcast flag" technology enables all manner of other restrictions. In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set."

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FP CLIT (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467467)

SUCK MY SHIT

CLIT sucks. Join the GNAA. sing it with me brotha (-1, Offtopic)

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For your viewing pleasure (and to defeat the lameness filter), we bring you part of Socrates' Apology: How you have felt, O men of Athens, at hearing the speeches of my accusers, I cannot tell; but I know that their persuasive words almost made me forget who I was - such was the effect of them; and yet they have hardly spoken a word of truth. But many as their falsehoods were, there was one of them which quite amazed me; - I mean when they told you to be upon your guard, and not to let yourselves be deceived by the force of my eloquence. They ought to have been ashamed of saying this, because they were sure to be detected as soon as I opened my lips and displayed my deficiency; they certainly did appear to be most shameless in saying this, unless by the force of eloquence they mean the force of truth; for then I do indeed admit that I am eloquent. But in how different a way from theirs! Well, as I was saying, they have hardly uttered a word, or not more than a word, of truth; but you shall hear from me the whole truth: not, however, delivered after their manner, in a set oration duly ornamented with words and phrases. No indeed! but I shall use the words and arguments which occur to me at the moment; for I am certain that this is right, and that at my time of life I ought not to be appearing before you, O men of Athens, in the character of a juvenile orator - let no one expect this of me. And I must beg of you to grant me one favor, which is this - If you hear me using the same words in my defence which I have been in the habit of using, and which most of you may have heard in the agora, and at the tables of the money-changers, or anywhere else, I would ask you not to be surprised at this, and not to interrupt me. For I am more than seventy years of age, and this is the first time that I have ever appeared in a court of law, and I am quite a stranger to the ways of the place; and therefore I would have you regard me as if I were really a stranger, whom you would excuse if he spoke in his native tongue, and after the fashion of his country; - that I think is not an unfair request. Never mind the manner, which may or may not be good; but think only of the justice of my cause, and give heed to that: let the judge decide justly and the speaker speak truly.
And first, I have to reply to the older charges and to my first accusers, and then I will go to the later ones. For I have had many accusers, who accused me of old, and their false charges have continued during many years; and I am more afraid of them than of Anytus and his associates, who are dangerous, too, in their own way. But far more dangerous are these, who began when you were children, and took possession of your minds with their falsehoods, telling of one Socrates, a wise man, who speculated about the heaven above, and searched into the earth beneath, and made the worse appear the better cause. These are the accusers whom I dread; for they are the circulators of this rumor, and their hearers are too apt to fancy that speculators of this sort do not believe in the gods. And they are many, and their charges against me are of ancient date, and they made them in days when you were impressible - in childhood, or perhaps in youth - and the cause when heard went by default, for there was none to answer. And, hardest of all, their names I do not know and cannot tell; unless in the chance of a comic poet. But the main body of these slanderers who from envy and malice have wrought upon you - and there are some of them who are convinced themselves, and impart their convictions to others - all these, I say, are most difficult to deal with; for I cannot have them up here, and examine them, and therefore I must simply fight with shadows in my own defence, and examine when there is no one who answers. I will ask you then to assume with me, as I was saying, that my opponents are of two kinds - one recent, the other ancient; and I hope that you will see the propriety of my answering the latter first, for these accusations you heard long before the others, and much oftener.
Well, then, I will make my defence, and I will endeavor in the short time which is allowed to do away with this evil opinion of me which you have held for such a long time; and I hope I may succeed, if this be well for you and me, and that my words may find favor with you. But I know that to accomplish this is not easy - I quite see the nature of the task. Let the event be as God wills: in obedience to the law I make my defence.
I will begin at the beginning, and ask what the accusation is which has given rise to this slander of me, and which has encouraged Meletus to proceed against me. What do the slanderers say? They shall be my prosecutors, and I will sum up their words in an affidavit. "Socrates is an evil-doer, and a curious person, who searches into things under the earth and in heaven, and he makes the worse appear the better cause; and he teaches the aforesaid doctrines to others." That is the nature of the accusation, and that is what you have seen yourselves in the comedy of Aristophanes; who has introduced a man whom he calls Socrates, going about and saying that he can walk in the air, and talking a deal of nonsense concerning matters of which I do not pretend to know either much or little - not that I mean to say anything disparaging of anyone who is a student of natural philosophy. I should be very sorry if Meletus could lay that to my charge. But the simple truth is, O Athenians, that I have nothing to do with these studies. Very many of those here present are witnesses to the truth of this, and to them I appeal. Speak then, you who have heard me, and tell your neighbors whether any of you have ever known me hold forth in few words or in many upon matters of this sort. ... You hear their answer. And from what they say of this you will be able to judge of the truth of the rest.
As little foundation is there for the report that I am a teacher, and take money; that is no more true than the other. Although, if a man is able to teach, I honor him for being paid. There is Gorgias of Leontium, and Prodicus of Ceos, and Hippias of Elis, who go the round of the cities, and are able to persuade the young men to leave their own citizens, by whom they might be taught for nothing, and come to them, whom they not only pay, but are thankful if they may be allowed to pay them. There is actually a Parian philosopher residing in Athens, of whom I have heard; and I came to hear of him in this way: - I met a man who has spent a world of money on the Sophists, Callias the son of Hipponicus, and knowing that he had sons, I asked him: "Callias," I said, "if your two sons were foals or calves, there would be no difficulty in finding someone to put over them; we should hire a trainer of horses or a farmer probably who would improve and perfect them in their own proper virtue and excellence; but as they are human beings, whom are you thinking of placing over them? Is there anyone who understands human and political virtue? You must have thought about this as you have sons; is there anyone?" "There is," he said. "Who is he?" said I, "and of what country? and what does he charge?" "Evenus the Parian," he replied; "he is the man, and his charge is five minae." Happy is Evenus, I said to myself, if he really has this wisdom, and teaches at such a modest charge. Had I the same, I should have been very proud and conceited; but the truth is that I have no knowledge of the kind.
I dare say, Athenians, that someone among you will reply, "Why is this, Socrates, and what is the origin of these accusations of you: for there must have been something strange which you have been doing? All this great fame and talk about you would never have arisen if you had been like other men: tell us, then, why this is, as we should be sorry to judge hastily of you." Now I regard this as a fair challenge, and I will endeavor to explain to you the origin of this name of "wise," and of this evil fame. Please to attend then. And although some of you may think I am joking, I declare that I will tell you the entire truth. Men of Athens, this reputation of mine has come of a certain sort of wisdom which I possess. If you ask me what kind of wisdom, I reply, such wisdom as is attainable by man, for to that extent I am inclined to believe that I am wise; whereas the persons of whom I was speaking have a superhuman wisdom, which I may fail to describe, because I have it not myself; and he who says that I have, speaks falsely, and is taking away my character. And here, O men of Athens, I must beg you not to interrupt me, even if I seem to say something extravagant. For the word which I will speak is not mine. I will refer you to a witness who is worthy of credit, and will tell you about my wisdom - whether I have any, and of what sort - and that witness shall be the god of Delphi. You must have known Chaerephon; he was early a friend of mine, and also a friend of yours, for he shared in the exile of the people, and returned with you. Well, Chaerephon, as you know, was very impetuous in all his doings, and he went to Delphi and boldly asked the oracle to tell him whether - as I was saying, I must beg you not to interrupt - he asked the oracle to tell him whether there was anyone wiser than I was, and the Pythian prophetess answered that there was no man wiser. Chaerephon is dead himself, but his brother, who is in court, will confirm the truth of this story.
Why do I mention this? Because I am going to explain to you why I have such an evil name. When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the god mean? and what is the interpretation of this riddle? for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great. What can he mean when he says that I am the wisest of men? And yet he is a god and cannot lie; that would be against his nature. After a long consideration, I at last thought of a method of trying the question. I reflected that if I could only find a man wiser than myself, then I might go to the god with a refutation in my hand. I should say to him, "Here is a man who is wiser than I am; but you said that I was the wisest." Accordingly I went to one who had the reputation of wisdom, and observed to him - his name I need not mention; he was a politician whom I selected for examination - and the result was as follows: When I began to talk with him, I could not help thinking that he was not really wise, although he was thought wise by many, and wiser still by himself; and I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me, and his enmity was shared by several who were present and heard me. So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him. Then I went to another, who had still higher philosophical pretensions, and my conclusion was exactly the same. I made another enemy of him, and of many others besides him.

Re:CLIT sucks. Join the GNAA. sing it with me brot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467570)

Now is that really necessary?

File this under "Someone who should be phased out."

Wait a second (4, Interesting)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467473)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the MPAA only control motion pictures? Legally, that is.

Re:Wait a second (5, Insightful)

krog (25663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467502)

Television is a Motion Picture.

And legally, the MPAA doesn't control anything. They're a lobbying group. They control things illegally.

Re:Wait a second (5, Insightful)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467527)

No, they control things legally. They do it immorally, however.

Re:Wait a second (4, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467543)

They are talking about controlling the "broadcast flag" on movies that are put out over the airwaves. Once the TV monopolies realize what this could mean to them (especially with DVD releases of shows) it will shift to them as well.

Fat faggy Sir Whacksalot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467545)

MPAA is Motion Picture Association of America.

Last time I checked, television was still considered motion pictures. Becuase the pictures ... wait for it ... move!

Of course, what kind of idiotic half-assed response could you expect from our least-favorite Slashdot faggot Sir Haxalot? Are you still cocksucking and karma-whoring your way up the corporate ladder?

Dunno about your TV (5, Funny)

jefdiesel (633290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467565)

Dunno about your tv.. but mine has all kinds of cool moving pictures. They dance, and laugh, and shoot each other, and on Cop Rock, they even SING! [jumptheshark.com]

Re:Wait a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467624)

Wait do you mean like this kind of TV stuff??

Pointless Nostalgia [pointlessnostalgia.com]

Resistance is Futile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467476)

Your TV will be assimilated!

Television (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467477)

Television. What's it all about? Is it good, or is it whack?

This is old frickin news (0, Redundant)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467481)

Is there some sort of new development?

Or is this just space filler/excuse to whine?

Question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467483)

Maybe somebody can take a look at my last seven posts here [slashdot.org] and explain to me why setting my karma to "terrible" (it was "excellent" before) was justified.

Don't agree with what I say? Fine, mod me down. But to strip me of all my karma at once?

Such acts of censorship are indicative of a terrible fear of the truth.

-- corebreech

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467610)

Well, see, what happened is there was all this excellent karma ammasing in the core, and then it breeched...

Re:Question (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467625)

You divulged, albeit unwittingly, the order of the Freemasons elimination of one of their dissenting members.

Never EVER bring up TWA 800, nor the liberties lost because of it. (Most of the current administration are Freemasons)

Re:Question (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467673)

This is why I stopped posting under my account name and just post AC whenever I have anything to say. Slashdot moderators suck!
For example:
If you're one of the older members (low ID number) you will automatically get a +4 or +5, like you're deemed a prophet or some crap like that.
or:
I can always tell what mood the Mods are in by the Karma they give out: a good day and everyone gets a tleast a +1 funny, a bad or pissed off day will mod down even the most informed and thoughtful post to a (0 Troll) or (-1 Flamebait).

In short, this moderation system really sucks, but I get some great entertainment from reading the posts! (That's why I lurk here)

BITE ME, Mods, you SUCK and you know it!

f that (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467484)

fuck that

What about low-quality copies? (4, Interesting)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467487)

Does this include low-quality copies, like standard VHS recordings?

Re:What about low-quality copies? (5, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467516)

Low quality? You mean there's something better than VHS out there?

Re:What about low-quality copies? (5, Funny)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467552)

Indeed. Seems to me that if this only applies to High Quality TV then, given the current status of the art, there is nothing to block. I stopped watching TV over a decade ago. Only High Quality on TV any more is the drug ads.

Re:What about low-quality copies? (5, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467602)

Your VHS recorder (at least the current one, with marginal - if any - copy protection built into it) doesn't know that any of the these flags exist, so it presumably wouldn't honor them.

fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467491)

suckas

Re:fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467523)

the fp'ing sucker was actually on-topic, sucker-er

Thank our government for this! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467492)

The broadcast flag could be expanded into a whole family of little flaglets, and together giving the system a much more expressive repertoire. One flag might say, "you may not time-shift this program." Another flag might tell your TiVO "you may not fast-forward or skip this program's commercials." A very special flag might disable your TV's channel changer and "off" buttons. There might even be a Mission Impossible flag that makes your digital video recorder self-destruct in five seconds (or at least erase every movie owned by Universal Studios.) Who knows what Hollywood will dream up next!

I realize this guy is sort of pushing the bullshit lines with controlling the OFF BUTTON and the MI sequence but I can actually see them banning you from timeshifting, etc. Look at some DVDs. You already can't skip some commercials on those. I can see it being that way on a rented movie but on one you purchased? That's bullshit.

HDTV was mandated by the government at YOUR expense so that these people could control YOUR choices. Make sure you thank them.

Re:Thank our government for this! (4, Informative)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467606)

"Look at some DVDs. You already can't skip some commercials on those"

Actually when the studios first started putting trailers and stuff before the movies on dvd's they fixed it so you couldn't get around them. Especially the warning pages. But every new dvd I've rented over the past few months has allowed me to hit chapter forward to skip past them. Even the FBI warnings. It shows up but chapter forward decreases the time you have to sit there watching. You still can't just hit menu sometimes to jump past the trailers but you can skip them. Obviously not ideal but better than it used to be.

Re:Thank our government for this! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467615)

I am thanking them, that is why I am funding Al Quada and various other extremist groups that anally ream the US of ASS.

Re:Thank our government for this! (1)

scumbucket (680352) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467640)

I can see the TIVO 'flag' technology working ok, but surely there would be ways to circumvent that.

What's to stop me from using say, the video card card in my computer to record a cable broadcast, edit out commericals, and burning to a CD/DVD?

Re:Thank our government for this! (5, Insightful)

rs25com (710712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467697)

This is ALREADY happening, don't you see? If any of you have a DVD player, then you know what I am talking about.

Pop in a DVD, press play, and you are FORCED to watch the Piracy Warning, and the Company Name banners. Some previews are even hard to get past. This takes up to a few minutes for some DVD's.

You cannot fast forward.
You cannot rewind.
You cannot stop.

This kind of technology being suggested just serves to stop people from having any control over their TV's. Pretty soon I can easily see TV's that will not allow you to change the channel during commercials, mute the volume during commercials, or turn off without watching the last few commercials. It's already gotten to the point where some channels have decided to pad a 2 hour show to 3 hours by adding an additional hour of commercials.

And so far, no one is complaining. So sad.

This will not stop piracy, in my opinion, it will only make it worse. The forbidden fruit, so to speak.

When I buy DVD, it should begin playing the movie the instant I put it in the machine. I paid for it, it's mine. Commercials are fine on TV stations, because that is how they make their money, but not on my PAID FOR retail DVD.

Hollywood, MPAA, and RIAA are all a bunch of greedy bastards, IMO! :)

If they want control..... (5, Funny)

gillrock (517577) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467493)

Then I want control over the price....

If I don't own the TV set outright, I shouldn't have to pay $3000 for a plasma TV. I think I should only have to pay $3.

You do have control of the price (4, Insightful)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467627)

Then I want control over the price....

If I don't own the TV set outright, I shouldn't have to pay $3000 for a plasma TV. I think I should only have to pay $3.


We (collectively) have complete control over the price. Do not buy an HDTV with these sorts of crippling features. I own an HDTV, which I use as a 61" computer monitor and DVD playback device. I own an HDTV (Linux PCI card) tuner which does allow digital recording. I will not purchase a device with these flags enabled.

If enough other videophiles are informed enough and smart enough to do likewise, the product will go the way of the original DIVX self-destructive DVDs ... i.e. they (and HDTV) will be a complete flop, and television will be replaced by the Internet completely, once and for all.

(There is a lot to be done on the content side to offer entertainment alternatives to the Corporate State's Bread and Circuses program, but Red v. Blue and other content online is already showing the way, and Blender et. al. put the tools in our hands to make our own high quality content. The rest is up to us).

Re:If they want control..... (1)

GAVollink (720403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467658)

I agree. They pay for billboard space, so why not pay me to advertise to my Children. The schools get money to advertise to my children, so why can't I get in on this??

broadcast flag? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467497)

how about an evil flag, so when the latest fox reality show is on, my signal quality is automagically reduced to nil.

TV (-1, Troll)

The Terrorists (619137) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467498)

You know, anti-Westerners are correct. The Westerner is incorrect to divest the cultural degeneracy of its media from its alienated character as a commodity. Freedom-stealing rights mongering from the MPAA/RIAA go lockstep with the nudity, drugs and violence evident in Western media. You'll notice they don't prosecute the huge amounts of pirates in non-Western countries.

Re:TV (1)

cartzworth (709639) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467583)

Don't make us track you down with your reused SIM cards. ;)

Who'da thunk it? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467499)

Who'da thunk the MPAA would be the ones to institute the ominous Evil Bit [slashdot.org] ?

Kill your television (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467500)

Kill your television

Hard to do (3, Insightful)

Annirak (181684) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467504)

Like streaming audio, there is always a way around that. In the age of digital cable, and MPAA controlled TVs, the frame grabber reigns supreme.

But... (5, Insightful)

insmod_ex (724714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467508)

There's always going to be a way to get around it though. Look at XP's Activation, that was cracked. Even the activation in Longhorn has been cracked. No matter how strong of a wall you put up, all it takes is a big wrecking ball to bring it down.

Who cares (-1)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467518)

There's no porn on TV

CONFIRMED: I just shat all over myself! (-1, Troll)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467519)

I can't believe I just took a shit in my pants at work. What the fuck? I cant stand up and take it to the restroom, because I am wading in a puddle of feces at this very moment. Any change in my seating position will send my poo spilling down my legs and into my socks and shoes. There is no way I can play this off as a fart. It doesn't help at all that I've been spun out for 3 days. I can hardly see straight! How am I possibly going to explain this to my Supervisor when she comes over here to ask me what the fuck I just did in the presence of my employer? She'll make me drop trau in front of everyone again. There it is. The person in the cubicle to the right of me just asked if I could smell "that". I gotta go.

Re:CONFIRMED: I just shat all over myself! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467632)

i can't stop laughing

All they are doing (4, Insightful)

smartin (942) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467522)

Creating a market for tv's imported from countries that don't have the restrictions and a black market for chipping sets.

Time to drag out this old chestnut, It might apply (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467524)

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

Re:Time to drag out this old chestnut, It might ap (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467599)

First they came for the ooffshore pirate DVD factories,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't an offshore DVD pirate.
Then they came for the Kazaa users,
and I didn't speak up,
because I didn't use Kazaa.
Then they came for the VHS copiers,
and I didn't speak up,
because I still used Betemax.
Then they came for me,
and I turned off the set.

Can't change the dedicated crackers (3, Insightful)

g0qi (577105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467525)

The vast majority of these restrictions are only going to keep away casual joe from recording American Idol (which he probably won't every see again anyway). I'm sure there's always a way around any protection mechanism, like an exception to every rule.

In the future... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467529)

In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set.

In future Soviet Russia, your television set will control the MPAA!

Re:In the future... (0)

videokef (660168) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467696)

It already does

Face it (0)

pagluy (651141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467530)

Face it, the programs aren't ours, we pay satellite and cable systems for access to these programs and movies, not ownership, so these people can do what they want with their property. (It's not like this isn't justified anyway, every TV movie and music video in the world is available on the web)

Re:Face it (1)

eln (21727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467664)

Yes, but the TV set IS mine, and they're trying to put a chip in MY television set so that broadcasters can set this flag to prevent me from using certain functions of MY television set. They are essentially hijacking my TV and telling it not to do what its owner (me) wants it to do.

Something about this confuses me (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467532)

High quality? TV broadcasts? This does not compute.

It's the show (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467533)

Come to think of it, it is impossible to make a "high quality" anything if the TV show concerned is "Dharma and Greg". I think the entire UPN network will be exempt from these restrictions too. (I'd mention the ABC network, but I didn't think it was around anymore)

"In the future... (5, Insightful)

BigChigger (551094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467534)

the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set."

At which point I won't have one.

There is something to be said for getting older and not giving a *&@# about keeping current as-far-as TV shows are concerned. I could'nt even tell you who is sleeping with who on Friends ;-) You know what? I don't miss it either.

BC

Re:"In the future... (3, Insightful)

d4v3v1l (728709) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467626)

Agree 100%. Who needs TV anyway?

As long as we have pirated Movies to download...

Give it time (2, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467535)

There will be a modification of some sort, whether a chip of some sort, or a simple pencil mark, to disable this. And again we will all point and augh at the time and money spent on something so worthless.

Not quite (4, Interesting)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467536)

In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set.
They won't control my TV set. I intend to vote with my wallet. Of course, I may not be able to watch broadcast TV after 2006 unless I buy an MPAA-owned digital TV, but I don't consider that a great loss.

And that is one reason to stop watching TV (4, Insightful)

zapp (201236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467537)

There are many many good reasons to stop watching TV, so many that I can't really list them all. But I know that I am finding I have less and less inclination to watch TV. All the new shows that come out are crap, and as all my old favorites end their life time, I find I watch less television.

With all the crap on TV these days, and things like this coming into play, I can only hope people will at least reduce the amount of tv they watch.

Re:And that is one reason to stop watching TV (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467649)

With all the crap on TV these days, and things like this coming into play, I can only hope people will at least reduce the amount of tv they watch.

Sorry to clue you in but it's only going to get worse. We're headed to 451.

Re:And that is one reason to stop watching TV (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467689)

I agree on 1 point... the amount of crap is increasing exponentially.

But there are still a couple of shows out there worth watching.

At this point, I just watch:
Law & Order
Law & Order: SVU
CSI
NCIS
Without a Trace

Angel
Stargate SG-1
Smallville

uhhuh (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467538)

And yet, the broadcast flag is not some poor ghost created to walk the airwaves until the foul crimes done against the recording industry by the likes of Napster are burnt and purged away. No, it is instead just another step in Hollywood's ongoing project to remake both consumer electronics and desktop computers so that they are more to the industry's liking.

We won't adapt, so YOU, the consumer has to.

Hmmm. Fuck with my Tivo will you?

I don't think so pal.

Re:uhhuh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467613)

Hmmm. Fuck with my Tivo will you?

Hmmm. You realize that those harddrives aren't going to last forever?

hmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467539)

I don't know about you but I use a "Remote Control" to control my TV I don't call someone over to do it for me

Would be nice every now and then I guess when I don't have the "Remote Control" on hand or it's lost.

There will be a hack to fix this problem if/when it comes around.

TIvO? (3, Insightful)

Deflagro (187160) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467542)

What will happen to good ol Tivo if this happens? I'm thinking it doesn't get any higher quality than a digital copy.
Guess we'll have to pay extra "taxes" or "licensing fees" or rent our TVs from now on since apparently you can't do anything with things you buy now.

When will this stop!

Digital = DRM (0)

unics (741003) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467544)

Because new high-quality shows are in digital format there is no additional overhead to add some type of DRM mechanism to control who can and can't reproduce the material. Of course as long as there is analog, someone can just convert the digital signal back to analog where the DRM would not be transferred thus allowing the material to be reproduced.

Easy solution... (2, Insightful)

ktulu1115 (567549) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467546)

Someone will create a new "blackbox" not to dissimilar from a cable-descrambler nowadays to change the bit. Bingo, flag off, problem solved. :)

Television (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467548)





Television. What's it all about? Is it good, or is it whack?



Obligatory Comment (0, Troll)

JonLatane (750195) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467550)

In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set.

In Soviet Russia, your television set will control the Motion Picture Association of America!

Re:Obligatory Comment (2, Funny)

ktulu1115 (567549) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467657)

In Soviet Russia, your television set will control the Motion Picture Association of America!

How can we get that technology over here?? :)

It Figures - My Bad Timing (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467556)

Ha. Literally, last night I was researching the best-quality way (while reasonably priced) to record my shows.

I looked into DVD recorders, DVR's (Tivo, etc), Digital VCR's, the whole 9 yards.

I don't see what the big deal is. When I record something, it's for my own personal use; I don't make mass-copies or upload them onto the 'net. The most I might do is lend the video/dvd/etc to a friend that missed the show.

It's getting rediculous. I'm not a criminal. I don't pirate software or music (anymore). I just want to be able to record my shows while I'm at work and watch them in a clear way.

I'm not a big audio freak (so long as it soudns OK, that's good enough for me). But I demand high quality pictures.

TV's future? (4, Interesting)

FattMattP (86246) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467557)

In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set.
In the future, I don't think the TV set is going to be that important. It's extremely easy to make your own videos. As time goes on people will start making their own high quality content. Those people will find other delivery mechanisms such as the net to get their work out and possible sold.

Compulsory ISR joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467559)

In Soviet Russia, Television controls YOU.

Oh.. wait...

THEY DONT *CONTROL* MY TV... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467561)

i do.

they may *control* what i record at high quality, but i control the box. Stop being an alarmist.

How are you gentleman? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467564)

All your TV are belong to us. Make your time.

Hardly surprising. (3, Insightful)

Denyer (717613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467568)

It isn't as if there are really many more quality advantages to be squeezed out of the technology, not for the average home user. DVD and CD are fine for most people... SACD and other formats are just repackaged material with more DRM.

With TV, the only way to force people to accept unreasonable controls is to legislate... but fucking with something that virtually everyone does on a daily basis (rather than MP3s, still something the voting middle-aged and elderly populations aren't entirely au fait with) is going to score them some serious heat and scrutiny.

We can but hope, anyway...

Re:Hardly surprising. (1)

glpierce (731733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467650)

The elderly may in fact be the ones that destroy this. When you tell 80-year olds that they have to buy a new TV to watch Biography, they will fight back.

Every problem is an opportunity (1)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467569)

Doesn't this just create a market for a device which alters the value of the broadcast flag in an HDTV data stream?

Ah, television... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467573)

For some time now, television has troubled me. Recently, after reading this [sciam.com] article in Scientific American, I've made the leap. My television was left on the road-side, and quickly snapped up by someone in need. I, however, find myself with a lot of time on my hands to do those things I've always intended to do. Losing weight, and excercising properly have long been goals that I'm now only starting to realize. My interpersonal communications have improved remarkably in the 2 months I've been without television. So, fellow slashdotters, I implore you, throw out your TV. Read more, live more, be happier. You can do it. I did!

The joys of censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467630)

Yes. Throw out your TV. Then, burn your books. Lot of bad ideas there! Shred the magazines. Take a hammer to the radio!

It is all the same.... it is all censorship. Only a truly closed mind cuts off avenues of ideas.

"Put down that book, turn off the set. You'll be fat happy and dumb in no-time"

Going around the obstacle? (0)

TheCyko1 (568452) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467576)

From teh article, i see two ways to get around this flag. We can eitehr buy TVs sold in foriegn countries. Or we can buy the newest TV available right now that doesn't have the flag installed. That'll give us about 5 years of flagless TV recording.

We control the vertical! (2, Funny)

mckeowbc (513776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467587)

It's Outer Limits for real this time!

No they will NOT control my television set (5, Insightful)

dcavanaugh (248349) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467588)

I will keep my old stuff for as long as it works. When I am confronted with HDTV crippleware, it's time to get rid of TV altogether. There isn't any problem MPAA can create that I can't solve with the power switch.

These MPAA people are determined to follow in the footsteps of RIAA. Crappy content, obnoxious protection, struggling for more and more control over media that has less and less content. Pretty soon they will control 100% of nothing.

Worth the trouble ? (1)

Thanatiel (445743) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467600)

No, really : does TV worth the trouble ?

Advertising, bad shows, stupid shows, clueless shows and advertising again : they can forbid me to record that kind of trash as much as they want.

I'm just glad I've stopped watching TV 5 years ago.

Re:Worth the trouble ? (1)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467678)

Obviously you care enough to think that we give a damn that you don't watch tv.

Ok, fine, you don't watch tv. Well good for you. Doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Just means your electricity bill is a few cents lower than everyone else.

Does anyone still have a Television? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467612)

Dude, this is 2004 where movies and music are streamed from the internet.

Television is sooo pre-P2P, leave alone that it's isn't interactive like the internet.

Do they really have to kill a dying thing?

So sad... SAD that is...

Video Out? Thats all you need... (3, Informative)

c_oflynn (649487) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467620)

For quite a long time there WILL always be analog video out, at least in the form of component video for high-quality.

So long as you have that, you can make a recording.

Yes they can try to put restrictions on it (like Macrovision does) but like Macrovision it will be fairly easy to circumvent. So don't go crazy yet... unless you live in the USA that is, where the DMCA would make it illegal ;-)

Its all very simple... (5, Insightful)

elrick_the_brave (160509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467629)

Just stop watching TV... speak with your wallet and stop watching TV. Notify your provider in writing that you object to this limitation of the service you enjoy. Write your MP or Senator and state that you do not enjoy the fact that someone is limiting your freedom to enjoy a product which you pay for.

My point being is that the TV/MPAA industry is bound and determined to make money whatever way they can in order to both profit and to 'subsidize' 'providing' broadcast television. This typically means advertising. It is up to you to determine whether you will put up with restrictions or not. The problem is that all of us viewers allow these corporations to do what they want because its not worth 'your time'. That's your choice.. your time. These days I am chosing to not use TV anymore. I live with the lack of entertainment.. but I am finding my way with.. gasp.. reading... exercise... developing social networks for work, friends, and family.

Its amazing what you can do when you plug those 4 to 8 hours a day into something other than watching television.

Admittedly there are a lot of folks quite happy to do so... hoorah for them. They've made their choice whether they actively did so or not.

Personal Use (1)

mrt300 (580362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467635)

Whatever happened to copying for personal use? What about those of us who might record something because we're unable to glue ourselves to the TV for every program?

I thought this is why VCRs were invented in the first place. And wasn't this issue dealt with during the Sony trial back in the day?

Get rid of it (5, Insightful)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467638)

I have not had a TV since May, 1978.

I have not missed a darn thing.

There is too much in life to enjoy without
having a TV.

How can the MPAA control the empty space where
your TV is not?

Complete Series on DVD (2, Interesting)

addie (470476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467644)

A few years ago, this kind of action would look ridiculous. Why stop someone from copying a show when it won't rerun again for another year (or more)? But now that entire seasons worth of series (like Buffy, 24, Simpsons, the list never ends) are available, they can continue to make profits long after a show is cancelled.

From my cold dead hands (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467651)

They're gonna have to pry my Hauppage WinTV card from my cold dead hands before I will stop.

Broadcast flag? (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467653)

Is there any technical reason why we can't have a device that can strip out the broadcast flag as it's been transmitted from one device to another? They have things like that for Macrovision.

Not if I go Elvis on it (1)

freelunch (258011) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467659)

In the future, the Motion Picture Association of America will control your television set

Let's see 'em control the TV when I put a couple slugs from the 12 gauge into it.

Uhhh... Ohh... the EvilBit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467662)

I'm 100% convinced that it will be as effectful as robots.txt, as the NOCOPY bit on cdda's and whatever they used to waste time with before they knew that nothing like this will work.

In case you've forgotten... (5, Insightful)

morningdave (259151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467669)

Your friendly neighborhood public library still doesn't treat you like a criminal. Amazing as it sounds, you can walk in and ask for a book, and they'll lend it to you. All they ask is that you return it when they ask you to. That's right, they'll actually take you at your word. No deposits, DRM, FBI warnings or EULAs involved. Why not go today, and remind yourself how it feels to be treated with a little respect?

April 1 is not for another month (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467674)

and already you're posting stories about the Evil Bit.

What television? (2, Insightful)

solios (53048) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467677)

The closest thing I have to a TV is an NTSC monitor at work, for video capture and output monitoring. I watch the DVDs I borrow from my coworker on my computer- a 20" screen is just fine, thank you.

News flash: YOU DON'T NEED THE TV. There's plenty of OTHER things you could be doing- personally, I hate the thing and see it as an incredible waste of extremely valuable time. Gathering 'round with friends for a John Carpenter marathon is nice social thing, but watching TV alone is like going to the movies or a restaurant alone- an asocial act of mental masturbation.

I stopped watching TV for several reasons- most of it was shit, I didn't want to pay out the ass for 50 channels I don't want to get the three I do, and I REALLY HATE the advertising- specifically the difference in audio levels and overall brightness.

I don't miss TV at all. With technology like this being pushed, I miss it even less. I'll stick with software DVD playback once or twice a month, so I can watch movies and comment about how {good|bad} they are on IRC at the same time. Good use of existing hardware, excellent monetary savings (one of my machines has RCA/S inputs, so it's not like I need a TV for my old Nintendo, either...)

Radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467679)

We'll have to just switch to listening to the radio. Surely they wouldn't mess with that...

They've already started this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8467682)

Have you seen the Sci-Fi channel's copy of Star Trek Generations? It's so blurry you couldn't copy it if you tried.

Waste of time, misuse of public trust (4, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467685)

The industry's great fear is that high-quality digital broadcasts would be scooped up by techno-geeks with digital television cards wedged in to the back of their PCs.

And it will be. You don't think "techno-geeks" will be able to tweak the firmware on the capture cards to ignore the flag?

The only thing this does is take away consumers rights to timeshift this digital content. I should be able to capture the 6'Oclock movie and watch it at midnight - not in some lossy second rate format, but exactly how it originally aired. Did the courts not already decide this?

If they dont want me watching this material, why the fuck are they broadcasting it? The push medium, the your-life-revolves-around-our-schedule school of thought within the cult of TV is ending. With all the PVRs out there, on demand programming from the cable company, etc, people are watching what they want and when they want.

The silver lining? This will probably bite them in the ass. Less people will see flagged movies/shows, which means less ratings, which means less advertising dollars, which makes the movies/shows worth less.

I bet you'll see the flag off by default almost all the time. Except guaranteed captive audiences, like live sports events.

They'll never control mine (2, Insightful)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 10 years ago | (#8467706)

I don't own one :-)
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