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Macromedia to Port Flash MX to Linux?

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the possible-plans-of-action dept.

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LnxAddct writes "An article on CNet reports that Macromedia will start taking Linux more seriously. It will start this new initiative by making it's suite of tools run easily under WINE, then depending on the response it gets, it will port it's tools natively to Linux! Their Chief Software Architect, Kevin Lynch, stated, 'What we've been investigating is, When will it be time to bring our tools to Linux? I think it might be happening now.' Maybe 2004 will be the year of Linux."

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Sweet. (5, Interesting)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471716)

This is half the reason I dont use linux on the desktop. Now, get me a stable version of Photoshop CS, and I'm in.

Re:Sweet. (1)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471802)

Well, we're halfway there. I think Adobe's products will follow shortly.

Re:Sweet. (2, Informative)

Smallpond (221300) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471819)

Reader sucks on Linux. I use xpdf.

Re:Sweet. (0, Redundant)

Flashbck (739237) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471854)

This is the best news that I seen all week! I just wrote an Ask Slashdot (rejected) article yesterday asking why Macromedia and Adobe will not port their software to linux. Photoshop runs fine under WINE but having Macromedia consider making an actual port is music to my ears!
I've been waiting to regain that 3G partition that windows hogs up!

First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471719)

First

Thank god ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471720)

Thank god, because the only thing the world needs more is more adoption of Flash.

Flash is worse than spam (2, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471831)

It's worse than spam. Harder to filter, too.

Re:Flash is worse than spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471886)

It's actually pretty easy to filter if you're up and running with Firefox.

Behold! [texturizer.net]

Re:Flash is worse than spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471927)

because firefox doesnt support flash and/or crashes trying to load it?

Screw that! (5, Funny)

i_am_syco (694486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471722)

I'm still waiting for Microsoft to port Office to Linux! Then I'll switch over.

Two Words (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471771)

OpenOffice.org (that's kinda two words...)

Re:Two Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471894)

yeah if you'd left the "dot org" off, instead you're running into 4 words... unless you speak some wierd sorta funky language.

Re:Screw that! (4, Funny)

AndroidonPPC (737311) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471784)

And open office isn't good enough? besides, what's wrong with just using vi for word processing? Simple, reliable. if you are liike me and can spel prefect, vi will due everything you could evar want.

Re:Screw that! (0, Redundant)

Roelof (5340) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471833)

vi will let you pipe your text through ispell easily enough :)

gay fucking nigger jews having gay fucking sex!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471727)

all right here baby huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
babalooooo

Re:gay fucking flash having gay fucking flash! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471809)

Props on the fp.

(shout out to my crib on port 3128)

So, it finally paid (5, Funny)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471731)

All them emails I sent them finally paid off!!

Re:So, it finally paid (5, Funny)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471783)

Actually I think it was my snail mail which included a note that said "Please port flash to linux or I'll send more pics" and a pic of myself naked. Although your e-mail may have helped a bit too.

Re:So, it finally paid (5, Funny)

Flashbck (739237) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471875)

Apparantly my numerous bug reports informing them of the major bug "flash doesn't seem to install under linux properly" finally paid off!

Ha ha Flash (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471737)

Mozilla is already slow enough without adding Flash to the mix. Add Gnome and you reach OS X levels of sloth.

Suck it fp beechez.

I GOT CRABS!

Flash plug-in? (4, Interesting)

Fancia (710007) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471738)

Hopefully, this means that they'll take non-x86 platforms semi-seriously. ;b I'd like a PPC Flash plug-in, that's for certain.

Re:Flash plug-in? (2, Funny)

highwaytohell (621667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471775)

I'm quite sure Macromedia take Apple quite seriously :)

Grammar nazi (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471846)

"I'm quite sure Macromedia take Apple quite seriously :)"

That's Macromedia takes. It is one company, not a group of companies.

Re:Grammar nazi (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471910)

I've noticed that at least people in the UK, and perhaps a large portion of Europe (I don't really know) treat companies, bands, etc etc as plural. So while your grammar naziing is valid for American English, it doesn't necessarily hold elsewhere.

(The idea behind it is not that Macromedia is a group of companies. It's that Macromedia is a group of people.)

It seems weird to me every time I see it (since I'm American), and it strikes me as odd to accept the abstration of a bunch of people into a company without accepting that the company can be treated as a single entity, but it's still idiomatically correct.

Re:Flash plug-in? (3, Insightful)

evil_liam (722977) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471890)

The Apple plug-in is significantly inferior to the PC one. Not trolling here, it just is, it's bigger, and runs slower.
This is one of the easiest things to benchmark.
MX2004 is supposed to be a big improvement, but I'm skint, so I don't know.

Re:Flash plug-in? (1)

highwaytohell (621667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471931)

i agree, but that doesnt mean that Macromedia take the PPC architecture not as seriously as X86. Considering the sort of makret chare apple have in graphic arts/high end graphics workstations, they would be silly not to

Disaster waiting with WINE (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471741)

They might as well just come out and say they will not support Linux. My experiences with WINE have been, shall I say, bitter. I've managed to get a few games running with it, but never without significant hassle or loss of resources (sound, fullscreen, etc.).

The roadmap to desktop acceptance for Linux cannot go through WINE.

Re:Disaster waiting with WINE (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471759)

Corel used WINE for a while. Well, until they killed the whole project... but I don't think that was because of any technical issues....

Agree (1)

ericlp (749865) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471795)

"The roadmap to desktop acceptance for Linux cannot go through WINE." Good words.

Re:Disaster waiting with WINE (1)

Smallpond (221300) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471866)

Bitter WINE? That would be Vinegar, then?

RAID management software that I tested ran under WINE OK, but it didn't need any special OS features or hardware, just a GUI and network access.

Re:Disaster waiting with WINE (5, Informative)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471928)

That's their point. They are going to work to get Flash working well in WINE, hopefully on the same level that Office works with Crossover (which is really WINE). WINE can work damn well, it just usually doesn't, unless it's been tuned for a specific app, or the app's been tuned to it.

Not a lot of work (2, Informative)

r00zky (622648) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471747)

IIRC previous version of Flash (5?) was running almost properly under WINE.

Dunno if much changed in MX, but i guess it's not a lot of work for Macromedia.

Re:Not a lot of work (2, Informative)

Geek of Tech (678002) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471937)

I've never had any problem with Flash MX and Wine. Dreamweaver a problem (Stability wise), but Flash already apprears to be fine.

u r gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471748)

yes

Linux voids finally being filled... (5, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471749)

There are some software titles that just -need- to be ported to linux, do to lack of OSS alternatives. The Macromedia MX line of tools is -definately- one of those.

AFAIK, there is no alternative to Flash MX on Linux -- yes, Openoffice.org Impress will save to Flash, but to some designers, that's simply not powerful enough.

And Dreamweaver MX is the -only- wysiwyg editor that I will allow to touch my code. It works cleanly and with compatibility, something no other wysiwyg editor, even oss ones, can claim. (disclaimer: I code in gedit ;D).

On a side note -- didn't I read something a few months back about Adobe doing something similar with Photoshop?

I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER IN THE EAR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471779)

suck a cock faggo

Disney (3, Informative)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471810)

I'm not sure if it was so much Adobe as it was Disney and 2 other unnamed companys paying codeweavers lots of money to get Photoshop 7 (was current at the time) running in Crossover Office/Wine.

Re:Disney (2, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471897)

So do you claim that all the money my family spent on Disney movies when I was growing up didn't go into lobbying for the Bono Act and the DMCA?

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (2, Insightful)

eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471814)

There are some software titles that just -need- to be ported to linux, do to lack of OSS alternatives. The Macromedia MX line of tools is -definately- one of those.

Why? It's horrible for website navigation and it's pitiful for games.

Not trolling, I just don't get Flash. The only good thing about it is all the flash ads that I don't have to see or even download since I don't run flash.

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (4, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471839)

Don't get me wrong -- flash as a website mainstay (nav bars, etc) is a HORRID idea.

I just think Flash is a -great- cross-platform way to make games, movies, etc. AND many business will adopt linux if more of those tools are possible.

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (4, Insightful)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471864)

After years and years of "oh, how wonderful it would be if the net were truly a multimedia platform," the only toolset, and I mean ONLY toolset that offers solid animation and compatible sound capabilities on Linux, Mac and Windows, which is also, by the way, completely cross-platform, is Macromedia Flash.

There is also an installed base of some 500 million players. That's why it needs to be ported to Linux.

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (1)

BHearsum (325814) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471909)

Uhm. Theres no flash player for PPC.

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (5, Interesting)

AMystery (725537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471872)

I feel the same way. The lack of Dreamweaver was one thing that kept me on windows for longer than I wanted. Ever since I finally made the move I have been searching freshmeat, hoping that somewhere there was that miracle program that would do what I needed, but no such luck. Dreamweaver is by far the best WYSIWYG HTML editor, and for those who claim notepad (emacs), I can only assume you have never used dreamweaver. Its great how you can work with the code while also having the full power of a visual editor that just works. (Its like using a Mac:)

I would prefer to have a native port, as my experiences with WINE have been less than stellar, but I will take whatever I can get.

On a related note, I used Frontpage to make a site lately, mainly because I needed something simple, cheap and fast and it just happened to be on the system with MS Office. What happened to it? It used to be just a horrid WYSIWYG editor, but it has gone down hill! 2003 couldn't even upload the site and when I did finally get it up, it was broken, because it couldn't transfer its own _derived directory which for some strange reason contained most of the images. Admittedly I had low expectations, but it managed to underwhelm even those.

Long live dreamweaver! Gimp is great for graphics, and while I miss Photoshop since it is what I learned, i am happy with the replacement. Give me dreamweaver and I will be happy.

David, Frustrated Web Artist Extraordinaire.

Too expensive for hobbyists (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471922)

Dreamweaver is by far the best WYSIWYG HTML editor, and for those who claim notepad (emacs), I can only assume you have never used dreamweaver.

Does Dreamweaver justify the time one would have to flip burgers (upwards of 100 hours after taxes) in order to afford a single user license (400 USD) in this recession? One advantage of big-F Free software is that it's also available for little-f free.

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (3, Informative)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471873)

Dreamweaver MX is one of a very few intuitive, powerful, fun to use apps that exist.

Many of it's features were integrated from Homesite, which I was using to program Cold Fusion web pages back in 1996. They took the 'coder's editor'(Homesite) and integrated it with he 'designers editor'(Dreamweaver) and created one Really Powerfull web desing app.

My only problem with it is that the latest version 2004MX is kinda slow on my computer. My computer is an Athlon 1900+/512MG. Most programs are pretty snappy on my system. I'm holding off upgrading until I get the final HL2/Doom3 specs :)

Re:Linux voids finally being filled... (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471902)

On a side note -- didn't I read something a few months back about Adobe doing something similar with Photoshop?

I think that was last summer, and not Adobe, but three major movie studios cooperating to work together to make some Adobe products work under WINE.

eaiser to run? (1)

MrLint (519792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471754)

This sounds great. I wonder if the existence of MacOS X being unix based has any role in this kind of decision,

However my real question is how does one make something run on WINE easier vs just normal windows development? Making sure you use only standard APIs and such?

Re:eaiser to run? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471794)

I'm guessing the WINE folks would be more than happy to give a list of what libraries are ok to use and what precautions and steps to take to assure full functionality.

Re:eaiser to run? (5, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471800)

Actualy having your QA team try it and consider Wine bugs real bugs... I mean...they have access to the official source code... How many things don't run in Wine because of an half buggy splash screen, a messed up installer, or because they rounded up the corners using some "features" (read: bugs) of Windows to their advantage... That would be how: by actualy trying those things... Lots of things that dont work in Wine, would with a few hours of cleaning up code... If I remember well, its even written somewhere on the Wine page, that programs can be made "for" Wine, and will then work flawlessly in both environnements...

Re:eaiser to run? (1)

trouser (149900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471865)

Curiously the MacOS X version of Flash MX sucks rocks. It's a shabby bit of Carbon wrapped cruft that runs well in OS 9 but I've found it really flakey in OS X.

Re:eaiser to run? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471925)

I would say none whatsoeever. The PPC architecture is significantly different to the i386, as we are all aware. WINE only translates windows calls into the native OS's own version, it does not translate i386 instructions into PPC.

Wrong Software To Port? (5, Insightful)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471757)

While I applaud any efforts to get more software running natively on Linux, I have to ask: why Flash? I mean as far as most of us are concerned, it's the scourge of the internet, responsible for a slew of poorly designed sites, bad flash movies, and anoying advertisements. If Macromedia wants to go after the Linux crowd, wouldn't a more appreciable tool like Dreamweaver be a better choice?

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (5, Insightful)

jimbosworldorg (615112) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471804)

Because, whether you think it's generally a horrid abomination or not, more and more sites use Flash for essential navigation tools, and up until now, it's worked... inconsistently... at best under any platform but Win32.

Native Flash rendering under *nix could be a very very big step forward towards getting mainstream acceptance for *nix as a mainstream desktop platform.

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (3, Insightful)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471812)

Maybe referring to "The Linux Crowd" isn't the right way to go about it.

Perhaps the current "Linux Crowd" may not want flash, but there may be other reasons they want to go to linux, like the same reasons many other companies are. It's an open, extensible and stable platform with no licensing issues like Windows.

If flash, word, excel, dreamweaver and photoshop came to Linux, the "Linux Crowd" would be a whole lot larger, market share would of course be improved, and developers worldwide would have a much nicer platform to code on than the existing majority player.

Mac OSX tips, desktops and scripts [67.160.223.119]

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (2, Insightful)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471836)

> responsible for a slew of poorly designed sites,

That's precisely why you do it. This software is popular. You want as much popular software on linux as you can get, so when jimbob gets pissed off at windows someday and someone suggests he try linux, the inevitable argument of "well can it do this and this like windows" holds no merit.

You gotta take the good with the bad.

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471898)

I mean as far as most of us are concerned, it's the scourge of the internet, responsible for a slew of poorly designed sites, bad flash movies, and anoying advertisements.

Yes, because the web would be a much better place if the most advanced feature of any site was a two-column table.

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (2, Insightful)

Daltorak (122403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471913)

Don't blame the tool for these things. Blame the people who design sites poorly, and who use Flash for advertising.

Flash excels in things like interactive presentation and training systems (e.g. online product demonstration), and it is of course popular wtih online humour sites like Homestar Runner, Camp Chaos, and Rather Good. There's no lack of political satire Flash cartoons out there, either.

Another reason Flash is good is that it's well-supported on many OS platforms. It's certainly more consistently supported, and has better development tools than the equivalent W3C standards.

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (1)

Gzip Christ (683175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471914)

While I applaud any efforts to get more software running natively on Linux, I have to ask: why Flash?
So we can watch this [rathergood.com] .

Re:Wrong Software To Port? (2, Interesting)

Suhas (232056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471916)

I would disagree. There are a lot of Business applications out there which do some pretty advanced data modelling off of Spreadsheet/OLAP Data stores using Flash as the underlying technology. I have seen quite a few being used by some Financial Analysts. Check this out [infommersion.com] . The only way thing the average joe cares about is whether or not his stuff will work on Linux. And people who are users/consumers of such Flash-based applications/products/end-results are, more often than not, decision makers.

now the war begins (3, Funny)

sydres (656690) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471760)

down with linux... uh I mean windows...um no.. uh...hmm!...down with cp/m cause everyone knows flash mx for cp/m sucked

Response to SVG? (4, Interesting)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471764)

Are they doing this as a response to SVG? Especially since Microsoft is "embracing and extending" SVG into WVG? It'd definitely be easier, without a Flash MX that runs on Linux, for Linux users to develop SVG than Flash. Many of the people that create interactive content that's as advanced as Flash are geeky enough to love or at least know how to get around in Linux.

Re:Response to SVG? (1, Informative)

bad_fx (493443) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471855)

Except WVG doesn't exist any more. It's now called XAML, and my understanding is that it's not going to be an extended SVG, just a system that provides "similar" capabilities to SVG. Blah.

Re:Response to SVG? (1)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471895)

Ah, my bad. I was not aware of it. I'm just happy SVG exists. :)

Flash sucks (0, Flamebait)

Via_Patrino (702161) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471766)

Something that endless consume your processor speed (like a little movie) while you're reading a text or with a lot of tabs/windows open, it's definitly not the way I want to expend my processor time.

Kill Flash function on mozilla kill some of them, but misteriously don't work with most ads.

Hopefully Adobe will take notice... (2, Interesting)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471768)

Not that I am in any way disparaging The GIMP [gimp.org] , which is awesome, but the PHBs and CXOs only know Illustrator [adobe.com] and PhotoShop [adobe.com] ...

Flash? Ugh! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471770)

Considering how Flash makes the web experience all the more worse, this is not a good thing. What next, a happy news item that the major spam generating software has been ported to Linux too?

Re:Flash? Ugh! (2, Interesting)

jtev (133871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471884)

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. A lot of spam generating software already runs on linux. As does a lot of porongrapic websites, why would you use windows for a server?

That's not going to happen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471772)

If you read the article, what you will see is that the guy is talking about some plans to make Flash MX work on Linux through wine first. The second phase has no concrete plan, where a native Linux Flash MX. I highly doubt that's going to happen, mostly because people talk all the time, say things, but we haven't heard much action so far. It is always talk. An action news would be much more exciting.

Re:That's not going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471851)

And in today's news, a group of angry linux users have shot Darl McBride in the forehead. More at 11.

Exciting linux news now? I thought so.

Selective porting (2, Interesting)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471773)

t will start this new initiative by making it's suite of tools run easily under WINE, then depending on the response it gets, it will port it's tools natively to Linux!

Can we keep the tools, but not get the plugin? Please? PLEASE?

Isn't it sad when you prefer the platform where a quarter of the "web" content DOESN'T work, and that's perfectly OK? No full motion ads, no ads that start talking to you when you mouse-over them...

please don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471774)

Flash might be some clever technology, but whats their market really? Many over done web sites, that you present you with: you're not worthy, come back after downloading several megs of our OS in a browser toys. Oh and ads. I had to go write a script to turn macromedia's flash on/off just to avoid the all singing, all dancing distractor ads. I turn it on oh so very rarely. Having quicktime or realplayer - handy. Having their products - couldn't care less.

Maybe Microsoft should port their apps? (4, Insightful)

Baddsectorr (709324) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471777)

about time they figured out that people actually use Linux. they have Unix ports of their stuff like Coldfusion so why not make everything cross-platform. this is something Adobe should start doing.

Wow (1, Interesting)

kc8tad (651750) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471778)

Wow i thought i would NEVER hear those words! I hope this starts some kind of trend for more companies to start porting their software over to Linux. Go Macromedia!!

Fingers Crossed (5, Funny)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471780)

Oh Macromedia, please please please/b> bring DREAMWEAVER. I"m having a hell of a time with posting comments to Slashdot. It would make my life easier if I wouldn't have to do my own HMTL.

Re:Fingers Crossed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471828)

Dreamweaver is one of the best-running applications under Wine. I've already done one entire project with it in Linux.

finally (1)

transitdk (758743) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471785)

I can finally give up my win comp 0.0! Except for games of course =/

WebDAV support in Macromedia apps (2, Interesting)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471786)

One thing I like about Macromedia apps is that they fully support WebDAV [webdav.org] . And I dont know of any good Linux based Web Development app that supports WebDAV natively. So this move by Macromedia will be very welcomed. WebDAV is IETF stardard for WebBased Document Authoring and Versioning, and is very useful in WebDevelopment. Support for WebDAV in Windows based WebDevelopement apps is what forces me to use windows. If Macromedia ports its apps, I will be able to switch to Linux completely.

Better content soon? (2, Interesting)

maliabu (665176) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471788)

will we start seeing Flash with better content soon, seeing Linux users are on average better skilled technically.

Re:Better content soon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471917)

what do you base you statement on? better skilled technically what a completely FUD statement.

Anyway why would technical skills result in better flash?

A leg up on Adobe (4, Insightful)

overbyj (696078) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471796)

This move by Macromedia could be a big one because it would give a serious leg up on Adobe. For whatever reason, Adobe has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the Linux market. Where is Photoshop? Gimp is no Photoshop. It is good but no Photoshop. Photoshop on Linux alone would be monstrous, but why don't they do it? Who knows.

Anyway, if Macromedia really wanted to scoop Adobe, this is the one way to do it.

Re:A leg up on Adobe (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471849)

BIG? leg up? what are you talking about? about 4 people use linux.

Vendors are viewing Linux as a viable platform (3, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471798)

The more I delve into my job search here in Japan, I've come to realize how much Linux is growing on the minds of companies. Almost every company I've interviewed with has asked the "what experience do you have with Linux" question. I'm glad I installed Debian Woody last year and have been running that on a separate spare box here at home.

Until now, most multimedia production platforms have either been Windows or Mac based. But as the tools of Linux become better, especially with the recent improvements in KDE, Linux is seen and being used more and more as a desktop production platform. Because of this, software vendors are feeling their ears perk up in the direction of Linux.

While it may never take the lead in the Desktop wars, Linux will find a nice niche somewhere between Windows and Mac. Software vendors who do not take Linux seriously may find themselves and their competitive positions usurped by some other up and comer, if not someone else who wants to write a free version of the software.

oh. wow. (0)

john_sheu (755802) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471808)

Seriously, this could be the thing I'm looking for to get people on Linux. I know plenty of people who only use their comp for HL/Steam games and maybe a bit of Flash animation...and this could be it. Flash MX for linux, and WINE for HL/Steam. On a side note, it will be interesting to see what rate the Linux version of Flash MX will be pirated/cracked. Will the crackers out there recognize that this is the PERFECT opportunity to show that the linux community is generally law-abiding?

Re:oh. wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471822)

HA! I'm already running a cracked version of Maya Unlimited version 5 for Linux.

Flex (1)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471811)

I'm commenting entirely too much on this thread in separate posts. Hrm.

In any case...

Macromedia will also soon introduce Flex, a set of server software and other tools that will allow developers familiar with text-based environments--particularly Java--to create Flash applications.

Flex. If they port that to Linux, that'd almost be a conflict with flex, the free version of lex. Maybe they'll rethink the naming?

Why use Wine first? Do a full port already! (3, Interesting)

death00 (551487) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471813)

I'm not sure I agree with the porting strategem. Getting MX to work on Wine is all fine and dandy, but basing the full port to Linux on the acceptance of the Wine port seems silly. Yes, I know it saves money doing it this way, but that's kind of like changing the tires on your 15-year-old car and expecting people to buy it for full price; not very likely. I have used Linux frequently, both as a software developer and an end-user, and I have rarely had any call to use Wine (though it is a great tool). As a developer, though, I would be really leery of using this kind of potentially unstable platform for my bread-and-butter work. The bottom line is that MX works on Windows, so I run it on Windows. If it gets ported fully to Linux with the same support and the Windows version, then great, I'd consider using it on Windows (especially if the same box came with both versions!) I'm not about to fiddle around getting it running on Linux, and I doubt many other developers will either. (Why are you so afraid of Linux, Macromedia??)

Re:Why use Wine first? Do a full port already! (0)

john_sheu (755802) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471827)

If it gets ported fully to Linux with the same support and the Windows version, then great, I'd consider using it on
Windows (especially if the same box came with both versions!)
You mean linux?

First-mover advantage (3, Interesting)

motown (178312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471823)

This could be an excellent move for Macromedia, since the Linux-platform is currently (still) being ignored by its archrival Adobe.

I'm an optimist, so I am sure that Adobe will eventually be convinced by the increased marketshare of Linux to port their applications over as well. But the sooner Macromedia gets a foothold in Linux in the meantime, the more of an advantage it will have when the time comes for Adobe to follow suit.

Since we're talking about Macromedia and Flash anyway: does anyone here know why the open-source Flash plugin hasn't been developed further by anyone? Macromedia's binary-only plugin lacks performance (and often stability) as well as platform-support, is currently still at version 6. Besides, the Flash 7 specs are publicly available anyway, so we wouldn't even have to reverse engineer the format to reimplement the plugin, right?

Perhaps such an open-source plugin could eventually even be integrated in the Mozilla directly? Or would that somehow be an undesirable idea?

Heil Hitler! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471871)

"Just say no to zionism!"

Thanks for the code word for "wipe out the Jews" Seig Heil! Firebombed any synagogues lately?

Year of Linux (0, Offtopic)

Suhas (232056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471841)

>>Maybe 2004 will be the year of Linux No, 2004 is the Year of the Monkey!

See, the problem is that (4, Funny)

melted (227442) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471848)

slashdot crowd also expects them to:
1. Release the source under GPL
2. Give the product away for free
3. Hate Microsoft

Neither of which they do. So I predict this will be a complete failure.

How about... (4, Insightful)

BHearsum (325814) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471861)

They fix the Flash player first? I mean, jesus. Yeti Baseball shouldn't be using my entire CPU.

Grammar Tips: Apostrophe (2, Informative)

srcosmo (73503) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471879)

Quick apostrophe tips:

It is => it's.
Otherwise, use its. Even for possession.

Remember that "its" is an exception to the usual rule of the apostrophe indicating possession, as in Steve's, Bill's, Darl's, etc.

Let's practice on the article header:

It will start this new initiative by making its suite of tools run easily under WINE, then depending on the response it gets, it will port its tools natively to Linux!
Sorry for OT-ism.

Just in time to support the Number 2 desktop OS (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8471882)


as cited in a previous slashdot article
( http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/13/2134234.shtm l?tid=106&tid=107&tid=185&tid=187 ) ...

Market researcher IDC expects to announce within weeks that Linux' PC market share in 2003 hit 3.2%, overtaking Apple Computer Inc.'s (NasdaqNM:AAPL - News) Macintosh (news - web sites) software.

Smart move to support the number two desktop OS.
It looks the dam is about to burst in terms of software vendors supporting Linux. Too bad it's WINE, native Linux support would be better. Regardless, this is a big win for Linux.

I'm worred that they might just be using this as a bargaining chip with Microsoft as Dell has done with desktop support for Linux. The deal would be "don't build an alternative to Flash and we won't push this Linux fad too much".

WRONG CHOICE IMO... (1)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471889)

Will this be the first commercial Linux application that requires All-Your-Base-Belong-To-Us Activation?

Time to buy Adobe stock (-1)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471896)

Macromedia appears to be following in the footsteps of such great moves as as Redhat (on the desktop), all Loki games, all Corel software, and Eazel. Linux to commercial software companies who try to sell end-user apps is like King Midas but with feces instead.

For some more FlashForward 2004 Tidbits go here... (1)

ChadU (725145) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471901)

Flex MX [flex-mx.com] has a bit more on this, and more on other FlashForward news.... sounds like a few Macromedians are looking to really steamrool Longhorn much ballyhooed Avalon .

BTW, I submitted this story too... Posted it in my Journal as well.

Puhleeeasse NO! (4, Interesting)

wiresquire (457486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471918)

IMHO, there can never be too little Flash.

BTW for those who want to turn it off by default, all you need to do is rename the plugin, eg
mv /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.temp

And if you REALLY need it, like those horrific sites that don't actually use HTML (car manufacturer sites are the worst offenders I come across) you can rename it back

Sold (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8471920)

Get the rest of the MX toolkit running and it just might be enough to start using Linux as a desktop again. Imagine if some custom Apache-Dreamweaver integration were included. That would be buy-it-today cool.

Yeah, yeah. I developed about four dozen sites with nothing but a text editor and Mozilla too. Dreamweaver has some good points, like being able to tab a whole paragraph without reconfiguring the upper half of the directory tree.
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