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Compensation for Bandwidth Costs is Extortion?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the now-this-is-ovekill dept.

The Almighty Buck 865

Tha_Big_Guy23 asks: "According to this article, a man who created a website for his local Sheriff's department is being charged with extortion. This was caused by taking down the website after repeated attempts to get compensation from the county to cover the bandwidth costs. As a result, all his personal computer property, and company computer property was seized and he was jailed.""After being jailed he was charged with extortion, larceny by conversion, using a computer to commit a crime, and obstruction of justice. This website explains in more detail the circumstances surrounding the situation. Has anyone on Slashdot ever had an experience where a client was unwilling to compensate you for either your work, and/or the resources required to do your work?"

While the end result of this situation is a shame, let this situation serve as a warning for those of you who work, without a contract in place. While it is the general hope that people will behave in an honorable manner, sometimes this is just not the case, and contracts exist to protect both parties, when things go sour.

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true story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478174)

amante shagged a fat nigger

Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Interesting)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478179)

This guy gives website designers a bad name. I'd say he definitely belongs in prison. 3.5 million hits per month? Oh, yeah, right. I get the feeling that this guy was planning to pull this stunt all along, but I bet he wasn't counting on getting arrested. Another clue is the fact that he set the domain name up as his own property so the town would be unable to switch to another server. What a noble thing to do. And then there's his final bill... $300,000?! To offset the "huge expense" of running the website? WHAT huge expense? How much was he paying for hosting? DIdn't want to lose any more money? Why didn't he just set it up on a different server and let the town pay for it themselves? I think this guy wants to the town to pay for the loss he's taken running his business in the first place, and shutting the server down while handing over such a massive bill is, IMHO, extortion, and should be treated as such. I hope they throw the book at him, and throw it at him hard, to serve as a warning to anyone else thinking of pulling a stunt like this. Whew, I'm outta breath. Gotta go lay down for a minute.

Netcraft confirms it: *BSD is dying. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478215)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:Netcraft confirms it: *BSD is dying. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478339)

Dude, I think you're trolling. BSD is still very much in use. As a matter of fact in my company we have about 30 BSD servers and that's just for the CDEX network alone. The truth is that BSD has picked up market share over the last 12 years, and may very well kill both Linux and solaris. The fact that Microsoft and Apple are using BSD kernels should tell you something about the code quality. Linux is basically a mass-marketed version of BSD without the security, stability and desktop viability.

Thankyou sir (5, Insightful)

Performer Guy (69820) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478220)

My knee was jerking furiously until I read your excellent post. I can rest easy now knowing that there's two sides to this story and we have another sensationalized /. article.

Re:Thankyou sir (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478380)

I just heard on Yahoo Talk [yahoo.com] that John Ashcroft is in hospital. Whether you enjoyed his arbitrary arrests and insistance on putting the prosecution of pornographers ahead of terrorism, there's no doubting his contribution to the erotion of civil liberties. Truly a Republican icon.

Re:Thankyou sir (5, Insightful)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478418)

And another highly misleading headline. "Compensation for Bandwidth Costs is Extortion?" is a real twisting of the reported facts, even if the webguy's claims are reasonable (They aren't). His actions certainly are not reasonable.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Insightful)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478228)

Before everyone gets their tin foil in a not, a few quotes from the article to show that there are two sides to every story:
Richard then demanded $300,000 of taxpayer dollars from the county. Richard said the money would offset the huge expense of running the Web site for the 33 months.
This for 3.5 million users per year.
Richard lied to investigators by claiming he sold the domain name to a Virginia company, Hackel said. Hackel said his mistake was placing too much trust in Richard and agreeing to have Richard pay the nominal domain fee. Richard retains authority of the domain name.
Appearently he was holding the domain name until they paid him $300,000

Spelling Nazi here... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478420)

knot

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Insightful)

Lizard_King (149713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478251)

3.5 million hits per month

"hits" is such a crappy way to measure bandwidth. Depending on how the site is built and which web traffic monitoring tool you use, a single unique visit to a site can result in hundreds of hits. My shitty site gets in the order of 50-70k hits a month and I know its only my mom.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Funny)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478363)

"My shitty site gets in the order of 50-70k hits a month and I know its only my mom."

Should've posted the URL here, dude.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478398)

You run a seniors porn site?

3.5 M hits/Mo. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478262)

his guy gives website designers a bad name. I'd say he definitely belongs in prison. 3.5 million hits per month? Oh, yeah, right.

Was it featured on Slashdot? Could also raise the hits if there was some combination of names/words which match the top searches on Google or any other search engine.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478283)

This man is being arrested because he refused to work for free.

'Richard's Running Wolf Inc. operated the sheriff's office Internet site for nearly three years as a free service before shutting it down three months ago because the county wouldn't pay him.'

He operated the web site for free for three years. He probably hosted it as his own expense, too.

I get the feeling he designed and managed this website at his own expense, expecting payment. After a few years of no payment, he finally closed the website.

So, let me get this straight. He managed this web site on his own, withough compensation, then closed it. And because he mentioned that he needed to be paid to keep it open, that's extortion.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Informative)

argmanah (616458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478305)

Read TFA, not skim TFA.

According to the second link in the article, he spent $300,000 of his own money and is not asking for his inventment back. He simply tried to tell the county that, going forward, he couldn't afford to pay for it himself. When they ignored him, he closed up shop to keep from losing more money. They retaliated by arresting him and slapping him with exortion and other charges.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (5, Insightful)

Wakkow (52585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478386)

I read both articles, and they contratict each other.. The news article says he demanded $300,000... The other site says that he didn't want that money back. Who do we believe?

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (1)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478411)

is not asking for his inventment back.

From the article: "Richard then demanded $300,000 of taxpayer dollars from the county. Richard said the money would offset the huge expense of running the Web site for the 33 months."

Yes, he's ask for $300,000, acording to the article

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (2, Interesting)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478414)

Come on, 300,000 bucks to run a web site? And he did it out of the kindness of his heart? 300,000 of his own money to "promote his business".

RTFA again:

A year or so ago, Richard started talking with Hackel's staff about earning income from the site. An attempt was made to secure advertisements for the site with profits going to Richard, but Hackel said that generated only a small response.

Richard then demanded $300,000 of taxpayer dollars from the county. Richard said the money would offset the huge expense of running the Web site for the 33 months.


300,000 for running a site for 2 and a half years? Even if you have your own server, with a T1 line it wouldn't add up to that. The guy lied and tried to cheat the dept out of cash. He got what he deserved.

Please, RTFA again and take off the tin-foil hat.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478427)

How did he manage to rack up $300k in that time? 3.5mill/month isn't an enormous amount of traffic and hosting packages with hundreds of GBs of bandwidth are relatively cheap.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (1)

EriDay (679359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478307)

I'm sick of giving you free stuff.

What? If I don't continue you'll throw me in jail? Well then I want $1,000,000. What do you mean your taking my stuff?

Come on, the sheriff is the one who ought to be in jail for abuse of power!

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (3, Interesting)

BladeRider (24966) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478319)

This rant gets modded interesting? The guy created the web site for free. He maintained it for free. He paid the domain name registration. The site is his to pull or sell as he sees fit. If it is really important to the sherrif's office, then they should be willing to pay for it. If not, they're free to do just what they did, put up a new site and create their own content.

Abusing the law by arresting this guy, just makes the LEO's look like the extortionists.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (4, Interesting)

Performer Guy (69820) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478391)

On ballance this is blatant abuse of power by the Sherrif's office. The guy paid for the domain and ran if for 3 years for free. What you believe w.r.t. what was said about payment should be decided in a civil court. As it is the Sherrif is using their power to force the issue and screwing a guy who did them a favor for 3 years. The Sherrif is incredibly claiming that they were doing this guy a favor by letting him host their site. No, their site was chicken shit without this guy. He build it into the famous property it became and paid for the frikin domain. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing this to the guy. Now they have all his computer gear impounded and he has to arrange bail and hire a lawyer while faving multiple felony charges.

This Sherrif's office are scum, no two ways about it.

Re:Oh, gotta rant, gotta rant on this one... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478415)

You're right. Posting this article was wrong of /.. Once again, they did not research the topic, and whoever submitted the article was trigger happy and didn't read up on it either.

But there are companies who will rip you off. I did a web site for a friend, and he started complaining about an extra $1 charge the ISP levied, calling them all 'crooks', and ultimately none of us ever got paid - and we were doing it 'cut rate' because he kept reminding us he was our friend and should be entitled to a 'good deal'.

Netcraft confirms it: *BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478182)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Time to drag out this old chestnut (-1, Offtopic)

This Old Chestnut (759273) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478183)

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out -- because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out -- because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out -- because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me --
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

then they came for your mom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478331)

but, fuck, who wants that smelly old bitch?

Re:Time to drag out this old chestnut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478421)

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out -- because I hate those nation wrecking kikes.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out -- because they killed millions of innocents.

THIRD POST (-1, Redundant)

James A. H. Joyce (757819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478186)

So many caps. Like YELLING!

The Almighty Buck | Posted by Cliff on Friday March 05, @07:53PM
from the now-this-is-ovekill dept.
Tha_Big_Guy23 asks: "According to this article, a man who created a website for his local Sheriff's department is being charged with extortion. This was caused by taking down the website after repeated attempts to get compensation from the county to cover the bandwidth costs. As a result, all his personal computer property, and company computer property was seized and he was jailed."The Almighty Buck | Posted by Cliff on Friday March 05, @07:53PM
from the now-this-is-ovekill dept.
Tha_Big_Guy23 asks: "According to this article, a man who created a website for his local Sheriff's department is being charged with extortion. This was caused by taking down the website after repeated attempts to get compensation from the county to cover the bandwidth costs. As a result, all his personal computer property, and company computer property was seized and he was jailed."The Almighty Buck | Posted by Cliff on Friday March 05, @07:53PM
from the now-this-is-ovekill dept.
Tha_Big_Guy23 asks: "According to this article, a man who created a website for his local Sheriff's department is being charged with extortion. This was caused by taking down the website after repeated attempts to get compensation from the county to cover the bandwidth costs. As a result, all his personal computer property, and company computer property was seized and he was jailed."The Almighty Buck | Posted by Cliff on Friday March 05, @07:53PM
from the now-this-is-ovekill dept.
Tha_Big_Guy23 asks: "According to this article, a man who created a website for his local Sheriff's department is being charged with extortion. This was caused by taking down the website after repeated attempts to get compensation from the county to cover the bandwidth costs. As a result, all his personal computer property, and company computer property was seized and he was jailed."

Wow what a site! (5, Informative)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478192)

3.5 million hits per month
www.macombsheriff.com [macombsheriff.com] must be one busy site. no wonder he wanted $300,000 dollars. That link is down, so what did he have on the site, lets check [archive.org] . Just in case your wondering the sherrif's office is in Mt. Clemens, MI

Re:Wow what a site! (2, Informative)

WinDOOR (741468) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478298)

What the hell kind of html is that?!? Firefox hates it.

3.5 million hits per month... (2, Interesting)

Nick Driver (238034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478390)

Well, that does sound a bit absurd, but I sure betcha the copy of the site in the Wayback machine will probably surpass that in this one single day thanks to ericspinder's helpful little url link in the parent :-)

hih hihihihihhi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478200)

bird says hi, i give birda hug

Written Contract? (4, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478203)


I could see something getting out of hand with just verbal communications, misunderstandings, etc.

Anyone providing or buying services ought to insist on a written contract that both parties sign. Then, there's no question of consequences if someone doesn't pay within 30 days, etc.

Netcraft confirms it: *BSD is DYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478241)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Next time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478208)

...try small-claims court. Vigilante justice against the government will always leave you the loser.

100,000 a year website? (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478219)

That's a bit much,IMHO. Sounds like the Sheriff walked out as soon he heard that attempted fee. Don't blame him

the following day... (3, Funny)

blue_adept (40915) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478222)

everyone on his MSN contact list was placed under observation.

Sigh. (0, Flamebait)

James A. H. Joyce (757819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478223)

What's the point in posting this story? No, really. All everyone is going to do is jump up and down and scream about the web designer getting shafter. The responses are totally predictable, and nothing more is going to come of the story. So what's the point? No, seriously, what's the fucking point? This story is a waste of pixels, frankly. Post something with some goddamn significance.

Re:Sigh. (2, Insightful)

stdcallsign (558206) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478286)

Read the article and then tell me that anyone in their right mind would defend this web designer.

Re:Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478335)

More Information (3, Informative)

Johnny_Law (701208) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478225)

An article from today [zwire.com] on this topic.

Perhaps this should be a lessong to all to work out your contracts a bit more clearly in advance.

Re:More Information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478276)

"lessong"? Oh dear, someones spellcheck is broken today.

Techincally... (1)

Tuxedo Jack (648130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478227)

He offered it as a free service, and he didn't get paid for it. It was an _oral_ agreement in regards to the hosting, most likely, and as such can't be held like a written one can.

I certainly think he could have claimed an escape hatch if the bandwidth usage was prohibitive, but seeing the logs would be nice.

However, I don't quite think that the sheriff's department didn't have the right to yank the equipment - but IANAL.

Techincally... *BSD IS DYING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478290)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Let's do some math here... (3, Informative)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478230)

$300,000 for three years is...
$100,000 for one year, which is...
$ 8,333 for one month of hosting.

(blatant_plug)
Well, don't host with that guy, come host with Tigerhost.com [tigerhost.com] . We only charge $100/month for businesses! (And $16 for personal sites.)
(/blatant_plug)

Seriously, though, at those rates, he could retire on just that one site.

Re:Let's do some math here... (3, Interesting)

reverend0 (560833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478295)

Agreed. This is horrible. Throw him in jail. I started out feeling honestly bad for this guy, but the further I get through the article the more I see that he is a waste of our good breathable oxygen. 3.5 mill hits. hahahahaha. Well let's look at it differently. Hosting costs: $100 / month = $3600 for 3 years Design costs: $5000 Interest: $292,000 I think he is figuring in uncle sam too.

Re:Let's do some math here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478379)

and I get what you guys charge for $20.00 a month from amzweb.com

only fools pay as much as you guys charge..

Let's head back to the station (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478233)

Let's head back to the station and cornhole us a drunk.

Re:Let's head back to the station (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478322)

BLAFSKI ! I need you to get me on all the news stations... why? because we may be dealing with the two most dangerous people in the world.

Yes, it is extortion (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478235)

Taking something away from someone else and threatening not to return it until they give you money. It doesn't matter if they OWE you money anyway, that's extortion.

If someone owes you money and they are not giving it to you, the correct thing to do is hire a lawyer. Vigilantism may make you feel better, but it's against the law.

Netcraft confirms it: *BSD is dying. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478321)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:Yes, it is extortion (1)

Xeger (20906) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478345)

It's only extortion when you have no legal grounds for taking away the thing under contention. If this sap had entered into a *contract* with the sheriff's department, then he would've been perfectly within his rights to shut down their website and hold their content hostage until they paid up.

His bad, for not comprehending the legal requirements for ethically doing business.

Re:Yes, it is extortion (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478360)

So repossession is extortion then? If you owe money on a car, they have the right to take your car. It's not extortion because the car is usually the collateral in the loan. All that to say that we'd need to see the specifics of the contract to know for certain if it was extortion. If there was no provision for the revocation of the site, then yep, no get out of jail free card.

Re:Yes, it is extortion (4, Informative)

tessaiga (697968) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478384)

Taking something away from someone else and threatening not to return it until they give you money. It doesn't matter if they OWE you money anyway, that's extortion.
Why is this +5 Informative? Stopping services when someone doesn't pay is perfectly legit. Try taking this approach with the utility company if you stop paying your electricity bill, and see how far you get. Same with internet, phone, and a variety of other services.

The real issue is whether he's owed money or not. As someone pointed out, he's basically asking for over $8,000 per month hosting what should be a relatively small local site (I'd like to see how his hits were measured -- if those are unique visits, I'd be pretty surprised). The article seems to imply that he already had a verbal contract to provide the service for free in return for publicity (as suggested by the article). If that's the case, then he's essentially trying to change the terms of his agreement unilaterally while holding the site hostage, and that's what's getting him the extortion charge.

Re:Yes, it is extortion (1)

BladeRider (24966) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478388)

No, it's not. Even a kid that mows your lawn on a monthly basis knows if you stop paying he stops mowing your lawn. He doesn't keep mowing and initiate a lawsuit hoping to get paid. It's a service, not real property. It's the designers web site to do with as he pleases.

Re:Yes, it is extortion (4, Interesting)

EriDay (679359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478413)

No he didn't take anything away from the sheriff, the web site was his property. If the sheriff valued the web site, he should have had a contract that spelled out ownership. Since he hadn't given any money for the site, how can he claim ownership? It shows that the sheriff valued the site a $0.

It's the sheriff who unjustly took property away.

Huh? (5, Funny)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478236)

Since the site shut down Jan. 1, the sheriff's office set up its own site, www.macomb-sheriff.com. The new site is bare bones compared to the original one, but Hackel said it provide the most important function -- public communication with his office in the form of e-mail.

I see why they needed somebody else to build their web site -- they think they need a web page in order to receive email!

Re:Huh? (3, Insightful)

Muerto (656791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478280)

They do to receive email.. when you have a domain change... this also changes the domain for the email.

Re:Huh? (1)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478338)

Are people supposed to guess what the email addresses are? Or can you now google for addys? And what if they wanted to use forms?

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478355)

I see why they needed somebody else to build their web site -- they think they need a web page in order to receive email!

A homepage is certainly not needed in order to recieve e-mail, but for giving contact information to the public it is very useful.

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

mamba-mamba (445365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478369)

Heh, I laughed at that too. But later in the article, I realized that the web-designer guy actually owns the domain. So he would be in a position to totally shutdown their email.

MM
--

Freedom, Faith, and Family: +1, Total Stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478239)


A message as this could only be vomited by The World's Most Dangerous Leader [mac.com]

Very truly yours,
Kilgore Trout

Ouch.. (4, Funny)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478242)

Now this is weird, I _just_ took a break to read slashdot from desiging the website for the police service in my city.

Thank god I'm not going to be hosting it.

Re:Ouch.. (1)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478282)

And yes. I will be using spell check for their site.

Re:Ouch.. (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478410)

de-sig that site good, boy! :)

Proof positive... (1, Troll)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478252)

... that you should NOT, in any circumstances, trust cops.

Re:Proof positive... (3, Insightful)

bryanp (160522) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478347)

... that you should NOT, in any circumstances, trust cops.

Odd. I would say that it is proof positive that you should not, in any circumstances, commit a crime against an entire police department.

What did we learn today, kids? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478253)

Don't work for the government doing contract work.

And Jesus, how stupid do you have to be to do anything that negatively impacts the government and expect to get away with it? He takes down their server and expects no reprocussions? The wheels of government turn slow, unless they're revving up to run you down.

Article Text (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478255)

AC for that special anti-karma-whoring minty-fresh taste.

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A Shelby Township Web site operator is accused of trying to extort $300,000 from the county's primary law enforcement agency the Macomb County Sheriff's Office.

Patrick Arthur Richard, 37, faces four felonies, including extortion, for allegedly holding the sheriff's office Web site hostage in exchange for money. Richard's Running Wolf Inc. operated the sheriff's office Internet site for nearly three years as a free service before shutting it down three months ago because the county wouldn't pay him.

"This is a case of someone trying to get rich quick," said Eric Kaiser, chief trial attorney for the Macomb County Prosecutor's Office. "He was given the privilege of carrying the banner of the Macomb County Sheriff's department and he tried to take advantage of it."

Richard's attorney, James Simmons, however, called the charges "absurd" and said his client merely attempted to negotiate with Hackel and his staff.

He argued the conflict should be resolved in civil court.

"Everyone should sit down and come up with a negotiated price," Simmons said. "This is no more a case of extortion than someone going to a car dealer and offering the dealer less than the listed price, then leaving because he didn't get it. This is really extortion by the sheriff's department."

Richard, who is free on a $5,000 personal bond, faces a preliminary examination today in 41B District Court in Mount Clemens on charges of extortion, using a computer to commit a crime, larceny by conversion and obstruction of justice. The most serious charge carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Richard, a former reserve deputy in the sheriff's marine division, more than three years ago offered to provide the Web site at no cost to the county as an in-kind contribution. Hackel, who enthusiastically supported it, said Richard agreed to operate it in exchange for publicity for his company.

The Web site, www.macombsheriff.com, debuted in March 2001 to praise by officials. Richard said it attracted 3.5 million hits per month from throughout the world.

The site provided comprehensive information about the department, a way for the public to communicate with police and archives of newspaper articles.

A year or so ago, Richard started talking with Hackel's staff about earning income from the site. An attempt was made to secure advertisements for the site with profits going to Richard, but Hackel said that generated only a small response.

Richard then demanded $300,000 of taxpayer dollars from the county. Richard said the money would offset the huge expense of running the Web site for the 33 months.

"That was by no means the end of negotiations," said Simmons, Richard's attorney. "He shut it down because he didn't want to lose any more money."

But Hackel said that exorbitant demand amounts to extortion.

"He built up the site so that we would rely on it so much and would pay him," Hackel said. "(But) that content belongs to all of us."

Kaiser said the actual expense to run the site was miniscule compared to the demand.

Simmons said the Web site included a disclaimer that said it was owned by Running Wolf Inc.

"The sheriff's department never disputed that fact when the site was up," Simmons said.

Kaiser responded to Simmon's claim that the case is a civil matter.

"The O.J. (O.J. Simpson) case showed us that a criminal case can be a civil case," he said.

Hackel said Richard also impeded the investigation by the Macomb Area Computer Enforcement team, which seized Richard's computer and related records. Richard lied to investigators by claiming he sold the domain name to a Virginia company, Hackel said.

Hackel said his mistake was placing too much trust in Richard and agreeing to have Richard pay the nominal domain fee. Richard retains authority of the domain name.

Since the site shut down Jan. 1, the sheriff's office set up its own site, www.macomb-sheriff.com. The new site is bare bones compared to the original one, but Hackel said it provide the most important function public communication with his office in the form of e-mail.

Hackel would like to regain the prior site's name.

The former Web site name has been removed from patrol cars, but the office still has letterhead, business cards and other material still listing the prior site. Hackel said it would cost several thousand dollars to complete the changeover.

Officials noted that defendant Richard is unrelated to current sheriff's office Corrections Sgt. Pat Richard.

Heh (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478260)

He's going to be pissed once he realises he's been slashdotted.

Well... (4, Funny)

Tuxedo Jack (648130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478266)

If it didn't have the bandwidth problems before, it sure will now!

now he gets 3.5 mil hits in 2 minutes (2, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478272)

The only hits this guy's getting now are if he runs a webcam in jail! 300 grand for a website... did he neglect to mention hosting the site on a SunFire 5k with 25 CPU's in it or something?

Should have used a hard limit? (1)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478288)

<PLUG> I own a webhosting company [webticker.com] and I give away hosting to a couple of sites (for karmic purposes). </PLUG>

All I do is set hard limits on the bandwidth. Problem solved.

Re:Should have used a hard limit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478373)

This is an ignorant and off-topic question, but how do you get your brackets to show? I've tried ascii codes, /, etc, and nothing works for me.

What's wrong with what he did? (3, Insightful)

DroopyStonx (683090) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478299)

First off, there was no contract.

Second, he told them that he'd discuss pay at a later date since they were to busy to handle it to begin with. If I donated 2 years of my time, I'd sure as hell want compensation.

He did what any normal person would do: shut off their service since they didn't pay. In fact, he did one up on what most would do. They didn't pay for TWO YEARS and he let them go on that long. Try not paying YOUR hosting bill and see what it gets you. A shutdown site, that's what.

How the hell is this extortion? Not even REMOTELY. People are stupid. They don't realize it takes time and money, not to mention VALUE of what he had turned the site into.

Granted he didn't have a contract, but both parties are at fault. You can't NOT have a contract then call "extortion" and throw him in jail. Sorry, that's not how it works.

Re:What's wrong with what he did? (2, Insightful)

Laur (673497) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478424)

If I donated 2 years of my time, I'd sure as hell want compensation.

Donate. [reference.com] You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ;)

He faught the law (2, Funny)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478301)

and the law won...

The Guy Made Mistakes All Along (5, Insightful)

ausoleil (322752) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478302)

First of all, $300,000 is extravagant by any standards. He should have charged his actual costs, after all, he did agree to do the site in exchange for publicity. Thus, the designer should have asked to have the county pay the real cost. I simply cannot imagine the ISP involved was charging that much.

Secondly, the designer should have never shut the site down without sending the county properly served due notice. In other words, registered or certified mails, preferably coming from an attorney.

Finally, the designer should have sued the county, and then through the litigation a settlement would have been obtained -- most likely through binding arbitration.

But, at the same time, to settle a civil disagreement through criminal prosecution seems to be abuse of power at most naked.

Both of the parties should be spanked by their Mamas.

Re:The Guy Made Mistakes All Along (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478364)

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will only be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Unfortunately, this guy was using EV1... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478303)

...for hosting and their rates have really skyrocketed since their purchase of SCO licenses.

It probably went something like this... (1)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478306)

"Well yah see sherif, I put my Pam & Tommy Lee movies and my Paris Hilton movie on your server, just for storage. I didn't know they were accessible for download... Anyway you owe me $300,000.00 for bandwidth."

Obviously this is a civil issue (4, Insightful)

madMingusMax (693022) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478311)

It does appear the webmaster is a scumbag, and probably had evil intentions from the getgo. However, the sheriff's office made an oral agreement, no written contract, with this person.

The evil webmaster then said, after 3 years and however many hits later, I need some cash. Pay me a lot of money or I'll shut it off to cut my costs.

Sheriff replies "Screw You!" and throws him in jail.

This is a Civil Issue, not a bullshit criminal case.

Fraud (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478327)

The proper charge should be fraud for improperly charging, not extortion, for pulling something due to non-payment..

Both parties are stupid for not having a contract.. With out that, who is to say who is right or wrong?...

yay! everyone (1)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478332)

everyone help out with his bandwidth costs!

let's all check out his website [macombsheriff.com]

anyway, he should of been smart enough to have the bills sent to the county clerk's office in the first place, never be a liason for bills to go through, lesson learned, and learned the hard way.

common sense isn't so common.

From (1)

microbox (704317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478337)

From the article

Kaiser responded to Simmon's claim that the case is a civil matter.

"The O.J. (O.J. Simpson) case showed us that a criminal case can be a civil case," he said.


Using that reasoning, there's no need for civil cases, becuase OJ's case was a civil case! This strikes me as plain vendictive from the Sherrif's dept. Surely they could have transfered the site to another provider if they didn't like the fee.

Re:From (1)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478407)

How? How can they switch to another provider when the guy who set up the site made himself the owner of the domain name, unless he agrees to it?

Why is the site even a .com? (3, Insightful)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478350)

The article lists www.macombsheriff.com as the offending web site.

Which begs the question: Why does it have a .com TLD? Was it a commercial web site? I'm sick of .gov and .mil sites using .com because it's k00l3r. These sites should use the proper TLD, and of course it should be impossible for a _person_ to own these domains.

Of course, when I rule the world there will be different TLDs for individuals, companies, military, government, and nonprofits - and a commercial site would never be able to even claim an individual's web site is infringing (or whatever) since they will live in different namespaces.

Ironically, the alleged extortionist's domain is justice4pat.com, seeming to suggest that this is a business venture for him.

Or maybe he just decided not to use .org because he felt like supporting Verisign, what with all of their sitefinder-related legal fees.

Clearly more here than meets the eye... (4, Insightful)

Dr. Zowie (109983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478351)

If you RTFA you will see that the web designer hit up the county for $300,000 for three years of serving the web page -- far, far more than the actual costs.

The response of the Sheriff's Dept. is clearly overblown, but this guy was clearly not operating on the level.

To be honest, I wouldn't want to do business with either party.

According to Alexa... (2, Interesting)

Superfreaker (581067) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478353)

This site is ranked 4,978,900 in traffic.

It never broke the top 100,000, so there is no way it had 3 million hits, unless each page contained 1 million invisible gif images.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_detail s? q=&url=macombsheriff.com

An argument for offshoring (2, Interesting)

corporatemutantninja (533295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478354)

If an Indian firm had built the site, some podunk sheriff couldn't abuse his authority over a contract dispute. Offshoring: good for civil liberties.

theme music (0, Redundant)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478362)

"I fought the law and the ... law won..."

Whether he was justified or not (I haven't RTFA), playing hardball with the local sheriff just isn't a wise move.

Whack the new guy too (5, Funny)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478389)

Have you seen their website? http://www.macomb-sheriff.com/ [macomb-sheriff.com]

Their new web designer should probably go to jail too.

The Site in Question: (5, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478402)

"Welcome to the Springfield Police department web site."
"Press YES if you have committed a crime, and wish to confess. Otherwise, press NO."
[Click]
"You have selected NO, which means you have committed a crime, but do not wish to confess."
"A padywagon is now speeding to your location."
"In the meantime, please look at our online store. You have the right to remain...Fabulous!"

New site is much more dashing (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478412)

I'm not sure what the old site looked like, but the new site [macomb-sheriff.com] is much more dashing than the old site!

No contract? No dice! (1)

dacarr (562277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478419)

Apparently there was only a verbal contract. And at $300k, that is a helluva lot of bandwidth consumption.

I say yeah, charge him with extortion. That's just utterly bogus.

The guy deserves what he gets (1)

death00 (551487) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478422)

What I don't understand is where the $300,000 comes from! 3.5 million hits a month equals something like 16kb/s constant upload, which is nothing, really. Even if he had a bandwith cap (which is unlikely), he couldn't have run up $300,000 in expenses. That means he now trying to charge for the work he initially volunteered, and carried through by shutting down the web page. Have fun in jail, Pat!

They got him dead to rights (3, Troll)

jordandeamattson (261036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8478423)

The fact is that he did, based on my reading of the statue commit extoration.

The lesson to be learned:

1. Have a contract in place, don't do things on a handshake and a nod.

A contract - and the exercise of building one - isn't just a legal play. A good contract is an agreement on what X will do for Y, and what Y will do in return for X. It is like an API definition.

2. If you have a dispute, don't take it into your hands.

He should have sat down with an attorney and have had them put together a letter of the following form:

"Dear Sir,

The service I have been providing to you per our oral agreement of December XX, XXXX and subsequentally afirmed in various conversations and by you use of the service, is currently costing me $XXX.XX a month to provide due to the traffic level of XXX,XXX visits per month.

To date I have not received payment for this service. Given the current situation, I can no longer continue to provide this service beyond (today+30 days).

If you aren't willing to pay for the service I am providing, will work with to transition to another service provider within these 30 days.

Please note, any assistance in such a transition, doesn't indicate a release of my claims for services provided for XX months at a cost of $x,xxx a month.

Yours,

Joe WebMaster

3. Didn't anyone every teach him "you don't spit into the wind, you don't tug on Superman's cape, and you don't anger the local Sheriff!"?

Social service... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8478425)

at it's best. It could only happen in the god blessed america...
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