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Chernobyl...18 Years Later

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the post-apocalyptic dept.

Science 971

abysmilliard writes "A young Ukrainian woman has posted a photo journal of her motorcycle rides through Chernobyl and the area surrounding it. Included are pictures of the now-emptied city, maps of current radiation levels, and a discussion of how the area has changed. While the english is quite broken, it's often rather surreal, as well, with quotes like, 'I don't know how sound the silence to those tourists that they can not stand it, but to me after hitting a red line on my bike tacho it sound like all those ghosts cursing 1100cc kawasaki engin.'"

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971 comments

kawaii (-1, Offtopic)

acxr is wasted (653126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482208)

All I have to say is "daymn!" She is hot! Like, nuclear hot!

Rowr! (-1)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482284)

Yes, she's a hottie. Much hotter than those "russian brides" in the banner ads.

BREAKING NEWS!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482213)

The US Patent and Trademark Office has invalidated Eolas' patent [reuters.com] covering plug-ins! Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Mod parent down -- Off Topic (-1, Offtopic)

Gary Destruction (683101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482234)

Comment is off topic.

Irony! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482254)

Guess what, your post is offtopic too!

Fucking dipshit.

Mod parent up -- Informative (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482258)

You're pretty observant!

Bikes. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482220)

Any woman who rides is good in my books.

Great thing about driving through Chernobyl (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482225)

You don't need to run any lights at night.

Re:Great thing about driving through Chernobyl (2, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482321)

Reminds me of the song "Three Mile Island" by Pinkard & Bowden. It talks about how at TMI baseball field during the night games... they turn the lights down. 'Cause the home team... glows in the dark.

All your base... (-1, Offtopic)

dankjones (192476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482229)

...nevermind.

Quiet Town? (2, Funny)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482232)

She mentions that if the guys at the checkpoint find you have too much radioactive dust they give you a shower and eat your bike. I was always under the impression that in Soviet Russia, your bike ate YOU!

Also, I'm on the page now where you can see a city, but it's so QUIET that people wat to get out ASAP after being there a few minutes. I totally want to go see this!

Re:Quiet Town? (3, Funny)

wafwot (739342) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482382)

Also, I'm on the page now where you can see a city, but it's so QUIET that people wat to get out ASAP after being there a few minutes. I totally want to go see this!
Can you say, "giant paintball game"?

Re:Quiet Town? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482438)

She mentions that if the guys at the checkpoint find you have too much radioactive dust they give you a shower and eat your bike.

Like to give her a shower and eat her...

Um, nevermind

Engrish rules. (5, Funny)

The Human Cow (646609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482236)

"The word CHERNOBYL scares holly bijesus out of people here."
Holly Bijesus? Is it just me, or would that make a *great* bisexual porn star name?

Re:Engrish rules. (5, Funny)

ktakki (64573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482370)

Holly Bijesus? Is it just me, or would that make a *great* bisexual porn star name?

The Passion of the Bijesus?

k.

angelfire? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482240)

linking to a 10+ page site full of photos on angelfire? yeah, that'll last long...

Mirror ;) (-1, Troll)

shfted! (600189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482337)

Mirror here. [markrose.ca]

MOD DOWN - INCOMPLETE - ORIG PAGE STILL WORKS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482365)

Do not reward people for incomplete mirrors and for attempting to whore karma when the original page still works

Chernobyl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482242)

Yeah, but what does this have to do with how great Apple is, and how we should all be worshipping Apple? (even though they dont give 2 shits about the Lunix community except for their common bond through homosexuality)

An anglefire site (4, Informative)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482243)

Guess how long that will take to /. the bandwidth out of?

I'm saving a mirror now, if necessary, I can mirror.

Re:An anglefire site (5, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482309)

For the record, a free Angelfire site presently gets 1 GB of monthly bandwidth on which to serve up to 20 MB of content. Which means, when /. finishes off this site's bandwidth allowance, this site's gone for the month.

If somebody were to give this unfortunate person Angelfire's highest "element plan" [lycos.com] , it would cost $15 for the setup and $14.95 for the first month, and give her 30 GB of monthly traffic. That might be enough to survive a slashdotting.

Re:An anglefire site (1)

RITjobbie (211397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482314)

http://www.jayps.net/kiddofspeed/page2.html

~Jay

Mirror ;) (1)

shfted! (600189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482375)

Mirror here. [markrose.ca]

MOD DOWN - ANGELFIRE SITE STILL WORKS - KARMA WHOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482413)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482245)

wait...

damn.

It's a lesson (4, Interesting)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482249)

The disaster was a damn good example of bad mix of technology, science and politics. Boy, don't we have plenty of that in the U.S.

Re:It's a lesson (3, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482367)

The disaster was a damn good example of bad mix of technology, science and politics. Boy, don't we have plenty of that in the U.S.

Not to meantion that the system had little to no foresight that humans would be using it. When it started overheating the alarms went off full steam and the workers got scared and threw all of the rods into the core. (The rods are supposed to slow down the reaction.) Well, since the core was so hot, the rods started reacting inside of the reactor and _increased_ the temperature.

The moral of this story is that there is no moral. All great system failures or any other "big" event never is caused by the apparent singular event right before the shit hit the fan.

Re:It's a lesson (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482397)

I can't believe some girl's photo album was the single greatest link I have ever read off slashdot. And it wasn't even M$ or SCO related. Incredible.

Gamma World (4, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482257)

The essay was absolutely amazing. The surreal description is perfect, reminding me of apocalyptic movies of the 80's and describing what I imagined the world looking like in the RPG Gamma World. Abandoned buildings as people left them, houses falling apart, yet seeing scenes of prezwalski looking horses crossing a stream.

Re:Gamma World (2, Interesting)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482300)

I think it would be fun to go there myself and check things out on my bicycle for a day. Unfortunately my Russian friends would all be too chickenshit to actually go with me.

Re:Gamma World (4, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482374)

After reading you comment and thinking about it, it reminds me of that little short story. I can't remember quite what book it's in (it's in a book of fiction).

It's about a little automated house with no one living there. It told about how it would make breakfast, and clean it up with little mechanical sweeper mice, and the house eventually burns down. The house is in a town that is empty because of a nuclear blast and the only "people" left there is a "shadow" of someone left on a wall from the nuclear blast. Interesting and sad story. The place was just as if everyone had suddenly vanished from the face of the Earth. Everything else was left.

I want to say it was in "A Brave New World" but it could have been a H2G2 book.

Re:Gamma World (3, Informative)

SilentOne (197494) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482388)

It's a Bradbury story from _The Martian Chronicles_

Re:Gamma World (4, Interesting)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482430)

That's the weird thing about the place. It's considered basically uninhabitable by humans. Yet nature as a whole seems entirely unfazed by the radition and is thriving in the absence of humans.

On the other hand, it really isn't that weird. The "nature preserve" aspect is only disturbing in relation to the empty roads and buildings. Without those features to provide the desolation aspect, nothing would seem amiss. Plus, nobody is keeping track of the average lifespan of those horses, which is almost certainly below average.

Still, a fascinating photo-essay either way. And I think it's funny that her Kawasaki probably would have been worth as much as a whole town in that part of the world in 1985.

there're many 'Chernobyl's in this world... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482264)

... but not all that is invisible and harms is radioactive. Heavy metals such as mercury, PCBs etc, can be seriously nasty. The sheer calous lack of regulation of these pollutants by governments world-wide is unbelievable. Even your fabric-softener can have mercury put in it.

So while there is this collective phobia and aura surrounding radiation, there isn't around other many other toxic threats. Note the security surrounding nuclear materials, but how easy it was to obtain unbelievably toxic dimethylmercury (until someone killed herself when a droplette momentarily touched her protective glove) until recently.

ill mitch (-1, Offtopic)

ed8150 (554077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482266)

in russia i ride board fast and danger www.illmitch.com

one phrase... (5, Insightful)

flynns (639641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482273)

I read this, and I look at the pictures, and all I can think, numbly, is "...holy shit..."

Re:one phrase... (4, Insightful)

Nf1nk (443791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482355)

I felt the same way. and at the same time it reminded me of the ghost towns in the sierras that I have visited. there too you feel unnerved by the silence and the items just left sitting there unmoved for decades, and the odd decay that they undergo.

Hmm... (1)

Gary Yogurt (664063) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482278)

I wonder how much of that city I could buy if I won one of our (US) mega-lotteries. It'd be an awesome movie lot, although I'd imagine shooting a film in 4-minute bursts would be kind of difficult.

Re:Hmm... (1)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482319)

Send robots with film equipment and bluescreens in. Shoot live action plates (as they did with Disney's Dinosaur) and composite the actors on top of the plates, with additional shots in the studio and in nearby (but less-radioactive) locales. The question is, will the radioactivity fog your film? You might have to use lead-lined canisters, and slower film to compensate.

Sad graffiti... (5, Interesting)

0m3gaMan (745008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482281)

There's another site out there with pictures of the abandoned buildings. Something about it is incredibly compelling and sad; almost like looking at a modern-day Pompeii. People who were children back when this happened go back there and spray-paint messages to former classmates on the walls of their elementary schools, trying to contact them or just to say they're still still around.

I also saw on a :60 Minutes segment a few years ago that the gov't pipes music into various parts of the city, where apparently there are still some people working--this is to keep them from going insane from the silence.

Re:Sad graffiti... (3, Informative)

dilweed (698689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482392)

Here it is, although it's geocities, and will be /.ed real quick.

http://www.geocities.com/pripyatcity/argazkiak.htm

What is the scale? (3, Interesting)

craenor (623901) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482282)

She shows a nice map of the radiation levels, but without showing the scale it doesn't mean jack. She has the norm listed as 12-18.
I am guessing that she means millirem per hour, but I honestly have no idea. Anyone know?

Dangerous? (2, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482291)

Dad is nuclear physicist and he also says that of all dangerous things he can only think about one, which is riding on fifth or sixth gear on my bike

Yep. Especially when you're wearing jeans, which will be ripped through in a half-second if you were to fall off the bike. I don't ride a motorcycle, but I do know only the truly stupid ride without motorcycle pants+jacket/suit, especially if the roads aren't in great shape and you'd be lucky if days went by before someone happened to pass you by. Same goes for riding without a helmet- dumb, dumb, dumb.

the text (not much without the pictures, i know) (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482294)

Motorcycling is a great hobby of mine, I ride all my life and I owned different bikes and I ended with big kawasaki zzr 1100 cc sport touring motorcycle, which also known as ZX-11. it fast like a bullet and comfortable for long trips. I travel a lot and one of my favorite destination lead through poisoned with radiation, so called Chernobyl "dead zone" It is 130kms from my home. Why favourite? because one can ride there for hours and not meet any single car and not to see any single soul. People left and nature is blooming, there are beautiful places, woods, lakes. There is no newly built roads, but those which left from 80th in fairly good condition The word CHERNOBYL scares holly bijesus out of people here. If I tell someone that I am heading in "dead zone"... you know, what I hear.. In best case- "are you nuts?" My dad used to say that people afraid of a things which they don't know. Dad is nuclear physicist and he also says that of all dangerous things he can only think about one, which is riding on fifth or sixth gear on my bike. In any way, dad and their team work in "dead zone" for last 18 years. They doing researches from the day when nuclear disaster happened. The rest of guys in a team are microbiologists, doctors, botanists.. etc. I was 7 years old back then and in a few hours after accident happened dad sent us with sister off with the train to Grandmother. Granny lives 800 kms from here and dad wasn't sure if it was far enough for us to stay away of troubles. We had communists at power those days and they kept silence about this accident and then people start learning by themselves and real panic began in 7-10 days after disaster. Dad says, that in those first 10 days exposure to radiation was so powerful that one day of staying in Kiev those first days was equal of 1 year of living in Chernobyl now. Here is map that shows radiation level in different parts of dead zone and which I updated for our local biker club in February 21st of this year (2004) map shows level of radiation on asphalt, usually on the middle of road, because on edge of road it is twice as higher and if you step 1 meter off the road it 4 or 5 times higher. Radiation sit on earth, on the grass, in apples and mushrooms. It is not on asphalt, which make rides through this area safe. I always go for rides alone, because not need anyone to rise dust and I had never problems with dosimeter guys. They are on check points and if they will find radiation on you vehicle, they give a chemical shower and it eat ya bike next page some 15-18 years ago, we've been getting 95% of chernobyl radiation through the air, now radiation went in soil and we getting 99% of it with our food. so, better to watch those cucumebers they sell on market place. Own garden is a way out 900 years In theory radiation will stay in Chernobil area for the next 48.000 years, but in reality first people must start to populate those area already in some 900 years. This is when the most dangerous elements will dissapear. their half-value period is from 300-900 years. I suppose there will be someway discovered to neutralise or clean up the radiation in the next 100 years. Well, if our government will finance our science as they do it now, then we won't be able to rid of this and will have to wait this 900 years untill radiation will evaporate by itself. Actually, some people coming back to their homes and settle down, those mostly old people who do not care if they die today or tomorrow. important is to die at home. checkpoint this is a place where they give a chemical shower, also their mission was to stop marauders. marauders marauders in radiation poluted area are not just a regular marauders, they don't steal stuff for themselves. There were cases of radiactive tv sets and other stuff being sold on city second hand markets and then police shot 7 or 8 of them and it helped barges they wanted to melt those barges for a metal, but it appears that those metal will still containt radioactive elements. next page this is a bus stop. One don't need to be in a 30kms "dead zone" to see those pictures. I travelled 100 kms up north in Belorusia and their villages all look like this. North wind brought here radiactive clouds. On the other hand villages that located some 15-20kms on South from APP alive or at least half alive. homes Houses open and everything as people left it 18 years ago. Usually a police officer who call himself a town guard was telling me that I was in town alone. then I could hit roads with no worry that I will run accross some car. This town might be an attractive place for tourists. Some tourists companies have been trying to arrange extrim tours in this town, but people- their customers scared and have been complaining about silence which is hard to stand in empty town. They charged 210 us dollars for 2 hours excursion and town guard say, they all were leaving in some 15 mins, complaining that silense is tremendous as if one got deaf.

This never wouldn't have happened... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482295)

if we had more central planning, higher socialist taxes, more government, and a good state run economy. Oh wait...

Vote for John, he'll fix it - you pay! [johnkerry.com]

I'm posting anonymously so all you bleeding heart, flaming liberal, socialist pud-knockers can kiss my ass...

Chernoybal is what happens when no one takes responsiblity and is accountable - i.e. socialism

Re:This never wouldn't have happened... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482340)

Hey, dip stick, what is your excuse for 3 Mile Island or Love Canal?

Re:This never wouldn't have happened... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482425)

Hey fuckwit, did you happen to notice that Pennsylvania is not an abandoned surealistic, abandon wasteland suitable for for sci-fil movie sets and Love Canel is being cleaned up... Fuck you...

Re:This never wouldn't have happened... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482350)

Yeah, let's vote for Republicans. They never screw up the country.

Oh wait, what about Nixon? And Reagan? And Bush Sr?

You tight-ass Republicans have a real problem with long term memory.

Re:This never wouldn't have happened... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482356)

"Chernoybal" is what happens when you don't spell check!

John Kerry a socialist? Don't make me fucking laugh. Go back to cheering for Bush because you wanna be on the "winning team." No need to even pretend like you know anything about politics. Just feel good about being a "patriot" while your country goes down the toilet! It's the new American way!

Like the American southwest (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482298)

This comment in the essay: This is highest building in town and in April 26-27, 1986 after reactor exploaded, people gathered on the roof of this building to watch a beautiful shining that rised above APP. They didn't know this was shining of radiation. they learned it on next day when evacuation began reminded me of talks I had with some of my patients some years ago that either lived in southern Utah and Nevada, or were in the military. Whole families would gather on high mountains to watch the pretty lights from the atomic bombs being tested in the open air and I had one old army guy tell me that soldiers who were gathered at the exercises, if they were not issued goggles, were told to look away and cover your eyes with your hands. When the bomb went off, you could actually see the bones in your hands from all the X-rays that were emitted from the bomb.

Amazingly scary.

Re:Like the American southwest (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482339)

you could actually see the bones in your hands from all the X-rays that were emitted from the bomb.

Without the proper x-ray film how does one utilize an invisble spectrum?..... Just wondering

MOD PARENT -1 BULLSHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482343)

unless you are about 94 years old?

Re:Like the American southwest (4, Informative)

Mipmap (569611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482358)

When the bomb went off, you could actually see the bones in your hands from all the X-rays that were emitted from the bomb.

How exactly does this work? When have human eyes been capable of seeing the x-ray portion of the electromagnetic spectrum? Or, is there some grain of truth in this, in terms of the visible light being so intense that it's possible to see vague impression of bones within your hand? I suspect the latter.

Re:Like the American southwest (4, Funny)

MrP- (45616) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482395)

The radiation caused a mutation in their eyes and they got x-ray vision.. They also became able to fly, and they flew away never to be seen or heard from again.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482416)

LOL

Re:Like the American southwest (3, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482409)

I am not exactly sure, but there must have been some combination of bright light and higher energy radiation. From a retinal vision perspective, all one would need to do would be to activate opsins and this could easily be imagined happening with all of the high energy particles being emitted by the bomb.

Also, a quick google search reveals that others [aracnet.com] have relayed the same experience.

Re:Like the American southwest (5, Informative)

cybercuzco (100904) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482380)

When the bomb went off, you could actually see the bones in your hands from all the X-rays that were emitted from the bomb. True, but not for the Reason you stated. I dont care how bright the light is, you cant see X-Rays with your eyes. however, with a sufficiently bright light your hand becomes translucent and you can see the outline of your bones. Try this: With a very powerful flashlight (like a Maglite) go into a dark room and let your eyes adjust for a minute or two. Then hold your hand so the palm completely covers the flashlight part, dont let any light escape. Turn the flashlight on and you should be able to make out the outline of your bones, if the light is powerful enough. But you still cant see X-rays.

Re:Like the American southwest (2, Informative)

Mipmap (569611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482411)

The funny (sad) thing is I had a science teacher in the 7th grade (1985?) who said the exact same thing "and the x-rays from the bomb allowed people to see their bones".

We were talking about the made-for-TV movie "The Day After". For you young 'uns this was a movie about nuclear war with the Soviet Union. The movie did actually depict, during the nuclear flash, being able to see the skeletons of people. Complete and utter bullshit.

Listed as science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482302)

It is interesting, that something as chilling and historic as this, was listed as science.

Re:Listed as science (2, Insightful)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482349)

It was science.. It still is. It shows what happens when you don't respect what power these things truly have -- or to reword it, shows you that you should always respect something that you barely have under control.

Facinating (5, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482303)

The site is quite facinating. In a way Chernobyl is the largest time capsule in the world. Amazing to see that you could just go into homes and offices and see EXACTLY what life was like there in 1986. If it wasn't for the plants and animals and such, things would be almost completely identicle. It would be very cool if some archiologists could get some NASA space suits or something like that (to protect them from the radiation) to go in and photograph all those places and things.

The MOST interesting thing in the article to me though was the "deafening silence" that is mentioned. The author said that many companies have investigaed doing things like 2 hour tours but the tourists complain and want to go home after 15 minutes because it's so quite it's like being deaf. I wouldn't think that it would be so bad (go to wheat feild in the middle of the US and it's silent too), but I guess it's the combination of all the buildings and normal city sights (with the exception of the fact that there are no people) and the silence that makes it so eerie and spooky.

I bet it's spooky as hell there.

Re:Facinating (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482361)

go to wheat feild in the middle of the US and it's silent too

You'd have to find a very remote wheat field. I grew up in the rural Midwest, and even in the middle of a field you could still hear planes flying high overhead, cars driving on the highways miles away, almost-inaudible buzzing from power lines, birds and bugs(depending on the time of year), and more. There are very few places in the world that are truly silent, but I could imagine that the Chernobyl area is one of them.

Re:Facinating (2, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482406)

Birds and bugs. Good point. I guess I've just learned to tune them out after years of living here. When I first moved to the midwest I had a horrible time sleeping because of them. Now I almost never notice them (with the exception of those damn circadias or whatever they're called). The only sound I was thinking you'd be able to hear was the wind hitting the trees or grain, but in Chernobyl you'd hear the wind hitting the buildings and such.

I guess your right. I guess most people have never really heard silence. What an odd thought. Next to no one has ever heard nothing.

Re:Facinating (1)

suyashs (645036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482435)

So is North Korea...but thats I'd go to Chernobyl anyday compared with Kim's place...

Re:Facinating (5, Interesting)

AmiNTT (539586) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482398)

Not only is it a time capsule, it is a great chance to watch how nature reclaims the land and how the wildlife adapts - obviously all of the animals haven't died. I wonder if there are any scientists watching for radiation caused progressive mutations?

I've been in a few places in Algonquin park [algonquinpark.on.ca] that 75 years ago were there used to be towns, hotels and whatnot. If you aren't keeping your eyes open and looking for it, you will miss the signs.

Now obviously, this isn't going to be the case here, but it will still be interesting to see what can be learned - for example, how are the roads holding up? With almost no wear and tear, the area could serve as an excellent testbed for environmental effects on road surfaces (hot and cold damage, etc).

Mirror (4, Informative)

pr00f (457508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482304)

http://unbolted.llarian.net/chern/

Mirror is the site gets overloaded or bandwidth exceeds limit (which can happen with angelfire).

Re:Mirror (2, Informative)

pr00f (457508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482373)

FOr the record, this mirror is running on multiple gig-e, sitting one hop off three backbones. Please let me know if you find issues with mirror.

And just so it's a clickable link... http://unbolted.llarian.net/chern/ [llarian.net]

MIRROR :) (-1, Informative)

shfted! (600189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482310)

I have a full mirror here. [markrose.ca] Enjoy!

SITE IS STILL UP - MOD DOWN KARMA WHORE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482324)

the angelfire site is still going strong.. do not post mirrors until the site is slashdotted, you filthy karma whore

Re:SITE IS STILL UP - MOD DOWN KARMA WHORE (-1, Flamebait)

shfted! (600189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482400)

Better to post it at the top of the story now -- that way people will find it when the site goes down, coward.

Re:SITE IS STILL UP - MOD DOWN KARMA WHORE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482432)

fuck off punk, I can have your pathetic "mirror" blown into smitherines when I have it packeted 8 ways to Sunday. either you fucking stop posting your karma whoring shit links or I fucking drop you off the net for 10 hours

Re:SITE IS STILL UP - MOD DOWN KARMA WHORE (-1, Troll)

shfted! (600189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482414)

I should also mention that I pay for the bandwidth at that domain, so I deserve some credit for making a mirror.

NOT A FULL MIRROR - JUST ONE PAGE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482342)

If you look at the "next page" link at the bottom of the page, it just links back to the original site. He only mirrored one lousy page! If you're going to karma whore, at least do it right.

Re:MIRROR :) (1)

ThrobbingGristle (62723) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482345)

When you click on next on the first page it takes you back to the angelfire original.

how did this find its way to Slashdot (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482313)

Now, i am happy that i was one of the few who got to see it (like others said, angelfire and slashdot? yeah, right) and I found it very very interesting.

But i'd like someone to do some sort of anthropological study of how these little stories get noticed and submitted to slashdot and other blogs (is slashdot a blog? hmmm).

I'm curious who found this story.. was it the author of the page? a friend, or a really interesting "other"...

Silence.. (2, Interesting)

Jediman1138 (680354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482315)

Very troubling to know that there is a city where silence alone can scare one away...Kind of funny how one can find total peace in the shadows of death, destruction, and the flaws of man.
I, for one, would love to visit it..Apocalyptic visions are filling my head already..

Weird -- and intriguing (1, Insightful)

BarakMich (90556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482317)

This is quite scary and fascinating at the same time.

First of all, this should very much be an example of the terrors, not of nuclear power per se, but of nuclear war.

With a war-happy president, this is all the more scary.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be terrible and exciting at the same time to ride through these places?

If I make enough money when I grow up (being barely of voting age) I might do that one day. Affermation of my anti-war beliefs, strange sci-fi fanboy fantasy, who knows...

Amazing.

Re:Weird -- and intriguing (1)

imr (106517) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482417)

It reminded me of Tarkhovsky's movie "Stalker".
You might like it, if this kind of feeling appeals to you.

86er (-1, Offtopic)

DSLAMngu (715456) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482325)

Shared the big 18th with a definitive man-made disaster. Holla back 86ers! Anyway yeah wow that's terrible...

The game set out there.. (1)

walkerIV (754681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482326)

is being made by some ukranian team. It's called 'Stalker'. It promises to be quite good with atmosphere captured just so.

mirror (1, Redundant)

targo (409974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482328)

mirror [targotennisberg.org]

Absolutely phenomenal pictures.

Reporting (almost) at the time (3, Funny)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482329)

There was a joke told in Hungary (and presumably other Soviet bloc countries) after they'd been listening to Voice of America report on the disaster for days, but getting no local mention of it at all until about a week after the event.

Q: Why do we celebrate the October Revolution on November 7?
A: Because that is when TASS (Soviet news agency) saw fit to report it.

Favourite Quote (4, Interesting)

Dodger73 (654030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482330)

"marauders in radiation poluted area are not just a regular marauders, they don't steal stuff for themselves. There were cases of radiactive tv sets and other stuff being sold on city second hand markets and then police shot 7 or 8 of them and it helped"

Now, does that sound like the Soviet Russia from a bad movie, or what?

Pompei (5, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482332)

Her comparison (on page 15) of the area to Pompei mirrored my own impressions from her site. Spooky.

(She - apparently by mistake - skipped page 16, which you can access by modifying the URL manually.)

60 minutes new show (1)

ramar (575960) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482346)

I still vividly remember a segment on 60 Minutes (roughly 10 years ago) about Chernobyl. It never really sunk in for me how major the devastation was until then- you need to *hear* it as well as see it.

Photos can't really do justice to how eerie the place really is. There are complete scenes of every day life frozen in time- exactly how they were so many years ago- minus the people.

Radiation exposure in Kiev (5, Informative)

titaniam (635291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482347)

She mentions that the radiation exposure in Kiev during the first few days was equivalent to about a year's worth of radiation at Chernobyl now. The bastards did not inform the populace until the wind blew into Europe and radiation alarms started going off, igniting international alarm. My wife, a child at the time, was belatedly rushed out of town along with all the children in Kiev a week later. I can't prove a link, but the fact is my wife had cancer surgery just last week. I'm sure that coal and gas are worse for the environment, and I support nuclear energy as a cleaner alternative, but a freak accident combined with a stupid reaction of a government made matters much worse than they should have been. People will be suffering due to Chernobyl for decades and centuries to come.

Hidden page (5, Informative)

bgeer (543504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482352)

There is another page of pictures [angelfire.com] that you won't see clicking on the links, she has page 15 going directly to 17 by accident. This page shows the swimming pool.

Mirrored (1)

radioactive76 (687116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482353)

Since Angelfire is crap for bandwidth, mirrored:

Here for everyone [gorszwick.com]

Death by Design (0, Redundant)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482360)


What an incredible journey that was. It also shows how destructive a poor engineering design can be. Hundreds of thousands dead. Amazing. This was truly a moving exprience.

innocent TVs murdered (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8482381)

>>There were cases of radiactive tv sets and other stuff being sold on city second hand markets and then police shot 7 or 8 of them.

you don't want to be a radioactive TV in russia...

Eerie.... (3, Interesting)

Bytal (594494) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482383)

The pictures are just sooo eerie. The housing in the pictures is a perfect visual example of the kind of large apartment complexes built in the Soviet Union at that time. Large sprawling 16-24 story houses with balconies and nearby schools, playgrounds, stores and hospitals. She mentions how they were brand new, just waiting for families to move into them.(In the Soviet Union your housing was assigned to you btw). Just seeing pictures of those apartment complexes was the most horrifying part of this entire photo journal. Interestingly enough it also reminded me of a Russian book, "Picnic by the Roadside" by Strugatski Brothers and the it's movie adaptation by Tarkovski(same guy who made the original Solaris) called "Stalker." Same idea of traveling through a modern ghostown after a catastrophe. Incredibly eerie.

I've been to Ukraine... (3, Insightful)

anzha (138288) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482384)

I've been to Ukraine 3 times in the past 2 years: my gf is of Ukrainian extraction. Chernobyl is a name to conjure demons with there. Even more so than in the West. What's even scarier is that the Ukrainian government's denial over the state that it is in. They still are running at least a couple of the reactors and they are not being terribly maintained. The Russians came out stating that the buildings that the reactors are in are about to collapse...yet the Ukrainian government is unwilling to shut the place down.

Expect a sequel there, folks, and it's gonna be just as ugly if not worse. To make matters even more horrifying, based on the behavior of the Ukrainian government, the people are going to be informed through western sources long before, but far too late even so, that anything wrong is happening there when it does.

Note I say when, not if. I really mean it too.

Radiation levels variations? (1)

Fiz Ocelot (642698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482386)

map shows level of radiation on asphalt, usually on the middle of road, because on edge of road it is twice as higher and if you step 1 meter off the road it 4 or 5 times higher. Radiation sit on earth, on the grass, in apples and mushrooms. It is not on asphalt, which make rides through this area safe.

I don't quite understand this. Why is the level of radiation so dramatically different on roads? Or is this simply not even true? Regardless, I wouldn't be driving through there like that...If your bike breaks down in the middle of it you're sooo screwed.

Nuclear technology has always been a nightmare (1)

Gary Destruction (683101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482391)

Chernobyl is just one reason that nuclear techology is such a bad idea. For a source of power to pose as much danger as nuclear power does, it's not worth using. Sure, nuclear power plants can be well maintained, there's very little room for mistakes. And then there's the issue of having nukes which are an absolute nightmare. They're security risks as well as liability. An accidental launch of a system glitch would prove to be catastrophic. Again, the risks outway the benefits. How can it be usefual as a weapon when it jeopardizes both security and safety?

Makes you think... (1)

Psychic Burrito (611532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482410)

From the page:
People had to leave everything, from photos of their grandparents to cars. Their clothes, cash and passports has been changed by state authorities. This is incredible, people lived, had homes, country houses, garages, motorcyles, cars, money, friends and relatives, people had their life, each in own niche and then in a matter of hours this world fall in pieces and everything goes to dogs and after few hours trip with some army vehicle one stands under some shower, washing away radiation and then step in a new life, naked with no home, no friends, no money, no past and with very doubtful future.
Makes you think how safe those reactors near you are and what will happen with your stuff... in the ussr, people had basically nothing because everything belonged to the state, but in other countries, loss could even be bigger...

Before anyone starts trolling... (4, Insightful)

ZuperDee (161571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482412)

I realize this might be slightly off-topic, since I don't think this article really discusses the any of the dangers/merits (or lack thereof) of nuclear power in the first place. However, I know that all the same, some people are going to try to bring it up, so before anyone starts trolling about how dangerous nuclear power is, I just thought I'd point out:

1) Chernobyl was based on very old technology. Nuclear power is much safer today.

2) France gets >80% of its power from nuclear sources. Nuclear power is one of the cleanest sources of energy in the world. (I have nothing against fossil fuels, either--at the moment NOTHING has proven as economical. But I do think ultimately, we will have to find alternatives, and nuclear power is certainly a viable option.)

3) It is my opinion that the worst part of Chernobyl was the way the communist regime tried to keep it a secret, until they found out that it was just so big they simply couldn't keep it a secret anymore. Sure, many other governments in the world (and I am NOT naming any ones in particular) have also been forced to fess up to things later, but that is NOT an excuse. The Russian government was truly evil, and I will not retract that statement, as long as I live.

Workers' Paradise (1, Interesting)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482419)

The wonderful soclialist construction looks even better after eighteen years' passage. Sadly, it didn't look much different before the people left, save for being in better repair. No grandeur at all, just shabbiness.

Eastern Europe has come an awful long way since the fall of the "Evil Empire." Why people still admire it, I will never know.

An irony (5, Interesting)

rffmna (734875) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482426)

Many people think the Chernobyl area is just like a desert. It's true, there are no people, but there ARE animals. Researches have found rats living there. When they tested those rats, which are living healthily, the scientists found that DNA of rats changed as fast as it had in last 20 million years. That's right, the radiation caused mutations (or evolution) in 20 years, at rate equal to 20 million years.
The rats aren't mutilated or anything, they just happen to adapt.

But the good news is... (0, Redundant)

barfy (256323) | more than 10 years ago | (#8482429)

Have you seen the size of strawberries since chernobyl? Seriously, they are HUGE!

And they say that there is no such thing as a good nuclear meltdown...

Scewz me, I have some shortbread to eat...

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