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Novell's Chris Stone at the MySQL Users Conference

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the rumor-has-it dept.

SuSE 143

An anonymous reader writes "According to the MySQL User's Conference page, Chris Stone of Novell, the guy behind Open Source at Novell who was responsible for the purchase of SUSE and Ximian, will be speaking at the MySQL conference. Perhaps we finally get to see what Novell is planning to do with Linux?" (That conference is taking place in mid-April, in Orlando.)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489432)

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Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda Caught in Pedo-Sting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489029)

CTaco6969 [10:05 PM]: hey whats up
CTaco6969 [10:05 PM]: your hot ( no I?m not, the kid I got on the UK web site is?..)
GNAAboylove [10:05 PM]: tnx u got pix?
CTaco6969 [10:05 PM]: im from holland
CTaco6969 [10:05 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [10:06 PM]: here i got a bunch ( beware, here comes Christmas in March )
CTaco6969 [10:06 PM]: http://cmdrtaco.net/images/robcam4.jpg
GNAAboylov e [10:06 PM]: u a hakker?
CTaco6969 [10:06 PM]: yeppers (CLIT note: He's actually not a hacker, but a MCSE.)
GNAAboylove [10:06 PM]: kewl kewl
CTaco6969 [10:07 PM]: u got mail ( the gift that keeps on giving?.oye )
GNAAboylove [10:07 PM]: u got a pic that i can c u better?
GNAAboylove [10:07 PM]: OMG ur hot
GNAAboylove [10:08 PM]: ?
CTaco6969 [10:09 PM]: im sending u 4 more ( okay, where were you when I believed in Santa???? )
CTaco6969 [10:09 PM]: do u have any more pics
GNAAboylove [10:09 PM]: no what i got is in my pictures
GNAAboylove [10:09 PM]: i dont got my own cam
CTaco6969 [10:10 PM]: cool cool
CTaco6969 [10:10 PM]: where are u from
GNAAboylove [10:10 PM]: i am just here for winter break
CTaco6969 [10:10 PM]: oh cool where u from
GNAAboylove [10:10 PM]: u know where chicago is?
CTaco6969 [10:10 PM]: lol im going there in april for a show
CTaco6969 [10:11 PM]: yea i have been there before also
GNAAboylove [10:11 PM]: k like near there in barrington
CTaco6969 [10:11 PM]: nah
CTaco6969 [10:11 PM]: u got mai;
GNAAboylove [10:11 PM]: but my dad lives here
CTaco6969 [10:11 PM]: u got mail ( again???, and I thought I loved myself! )
GNAAboylove [10:11 PM]: wow ur hot
CTaco6969 [10:11 PM]: thanks
GNAAboylove [10:12 PM]: u no where newton square is here?
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: how long are u here for
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: hmm
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: it sounds familiar
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: is it in ottowa county
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: im in holland
GNAAboylove [10:12 PM]: i go home friday
CTaco6969 [10:12 PM]: kk
CTaco6969 [10:13 PM]: where is that near
CTaco6969 [10:13 PM]: where u are now
GNAAboylove [10:13 PM]: at my dads
CTaco6969 [10:13 PM]: hmm your not on my buddy list im trying to add u
CTaco6969 [10:14 PM]: your so hot also ( we know we know, put it back in your pants buddy )
GNAAboylove [10:14 PM]: *****************( sent him a mapquest link to the bust house )
GNAAboylove [10:15 PM]: it just sucks here
CTaco6969 [10:15 PM]: why
CTaco6969 [10:15 PM]: do u got a car
CTaco6969 [10:16 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [10:16 PM]: i dont know no one and my dad let my sister bring a friend
CTaco6969 [10:16 PM]: :-[
GNAAboylove [10:16 PM]: no i dont get my license for 2 more years ( let?s see?.simple math?.16 minus 2?..equals?hum too young to put your privates in!!! )
CTaco6969 [10:16 PM]: k
GNAAboylove [10:16 PM]: my sister does
CTaco6969 [10:17 PM]: OMG your so cute ( damn?give it up bro?.)
GNAAboylove [10:17 PM]: yea but i never get a boyfriend
CTaco6969 [10:17 PM]: why
GNAAboylove [10:17 PM]: its hard
GNAAboylove [10:17 PM]: and i dont want no one 2 know
CTaco6969 [10:17 PM]: well your like me ( not for long baby?..and the baggage coming out of the closet you own dude...is a samsonite sales man's dream)
CTaco6969 [10:17 PM]: im super str8 acting ( WHY DOES EVERY GAY GUY SAY THIS!!!!)
CTaco6969 [10:17 PM]: and dont like gay gay guys
CTaco6969 [10:18 PM]: i lke str8 acting guys
GNAAboylove [10:18 PM]: me 2
CTaco6969 [10:18 PM]: :-D
GNAAboylove [10:18 PM]: but ur old and can go meet people
CTaco6969 [10:18 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [10:18 PM]: not that old
GNAAboylove [10:18 PM]: how old ru?
CTaco6969 [10:18 PM]: 23 ( liar liar pants on fire???add 5 if that is not even a lie )
GNAAboylove [10:19 PM]: yea but thats older then me and u can drive and drink im 14 and no one ever wants to see me cuz they say im jailbait but i cann't meet guys my age cuz the might tell guys at school
CTaco6969 [10:19 PM]: damm 14
GNAAboylove [10:19 PM]: see
CTaco6969 [10:19 PM]: lol ill pretend u said 18 ( yes, soooo glad you said that for your lawyers sake??.)
GNAAboylove [10:20 PM]: i look 18 i can buy smokes
CTaco6969 [10:20 PM]: your so adorable ( we know we know )
CTaco6969 [10:21 PM]: dam your a little like 40 minutes from me
CTaco6969 [10:21 PM]: or we coudl chill
GNAAboylove [10:21 PM]: then my dad went to texas 2 nite til tuesday and my sister dropped him off so now im like stuck here and they gave me 20 bucks not to tell but they said they are taking the car to new york tommrrow so then i got nothing to do
CTaco6969 [10:21 PM]: :-(
CTaco6969 [10:21 PM]: lol have them drop u to meet me on the way ( and you are rich?and lazy to boot? )
CTaco6969 [10:21 PM]: how old is your sister
GNAAboylove [10:22 PM]: 17 shes a senior
CTaco6969 [10:22 PM]: kk
CTaco6969 [10:22 PM]: well it sucks
CTaco6969 [10:22 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [10:22 PM]: is new york a long drive?
CTaco6969 [10:22 PM]: maybe 90 minutes
GNAAboylove [10:23 PM]: i bet the get fucked going there
GNAAboylove [10:23 PM]: like not sex fucked but fuck somethign up
CTaco6969 [10:23 PM]: i knew what u meant
GNAAboylove [10:23 PM]: then i'll bust ha ha
CTaco6969 [10:23 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [10:23 PM]: your so my type in the looks deparrment ( yes young, just hit puberty?..such criteria for a mate?..)
GNAAboylove [10:24 PM]: u gotta boyfriend?
CTaco6969 [10:24 PM]: just broke up after 2 yuears in dec
GNAAboylove [10:24 PM]: i never had 1
CTaco6969 [10:25 PM]: :-(
CTaco6969 [10:25 PM]: well i would chill but your so far
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: 45 minutes
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: from me
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: lol take a train here ( sure, put a 14 year old kid on a train system he does not know?.)
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: ha
GNAAboylove [10:26 PM]: i dont know how here
GNAAboylove [10:26 PM]: i can at home
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: damm
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [10:26 PM]: u do lots of guys?
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: noo
CTaco6969 [10:26 PM]: i had a bf for 2 years
GNAAboylove [10:27 PM]: i wish i did
CTaco6969 [10:27 PM]: ill be in chicago ridge
CTaco6969 [10:27 PM]: april 24th
CTaco6969 [10:27 PM]: mega linux/scat expo (CLIT note: This is one of the comments he tells the truth about.)
GNAAboylove [10:27 PM]: i can get any place in chicago but not allwoed downtown
CTaco6969 [10:28 PM]: cool
CTaco6969 [10:28 PM]: is that down town
GNAAboylove [10:28 PM]: no
GNAAboylove [10:28 PM]: u gotta job?
CTaco6969 [10:28 PM]: open soors is my job
GNAAboylove [10:28 PM]: like u get paid for it?
CTaco6969 [10:28 PM]: yea ( someone has got to pay for that 10K Toyota you showed up in to pick Brandon up! )
GNAAboylove [10:29 PM]: daymm
GNAAboylove [10:29 PM]: thats way kewl
GNAAboylove [10:29 PM]: u shave your hair on you?
CTaco6969 [10:29 PM]: yea lol
CTaco6969 [10:29 PM]: all the time
CTaco6969 [10:29 PM]: i love being smooth
CTaco6969 [10:29 PM]: and u
GNAAboylove [10:30 PM]: no i dont got hair
GNAAboylove [10:30 PM]: i mean i do where is should but not like my chest
CTaco6969 [10:31 PM]: lol ill come get u
GNAAboylove [10:31 PM]: huh?
CTaco6969 [10:31 PM]: i would pick u up
GNAAboylove [10:31 PM]: not now my sister is here and she would think shit
CTaco6969 [10:31 PM]: klk
GNAAboylove [10:32 PM]: u got more pix?
CTaco6969 [10:32 PM]: hmm
GNAAboylove [10:33 PM]: ur so hot
CTaco6969 [10:33 PM]: thanks
GNAAboylove [10:34 PM]: u dont got x ones
CTaco6969 [10:34 PM]: lol no
GNAAboylove [10:34 PM]: i want some but dont got a cam
CTaco6969 [10:34 PM]: what are u into
GNAAboylove [10:34 PM]: i wanted a cam for christmas but didnt get it
CTaco6969 [10:35 PM]: got mail; ( santa strikes again?.)
GNAAboylove [10:35 PM]: do you kiss or dont do that
CTaco6969 [10:35 PM]: i deff do
GNAAboylove [10:36 PM]: lots of guys i talk to on here say they dont
GNAAboylove [10:37 PM]: k guess ur busy
CTaco6969 [10:37 PM]: NOOO
CTaco6969 [10:37 PM]: i was sending u a pic
CTaco6969 [10:37 PM]: and when it downloads it locks me and i cant type
CTaco6969 [10:37 PM]: i am only talking to u
CTaco6969 [10:38 PM]: what are u into
GNAAboylove [10:38 PM]: I luv sysadmining and am gttin really good
CTaco6969 [10:39 PM]: cool nice
GNAAboylove [10:39 PM]: theres just not lots of places around me at home to do it and when we come here we dont go anywhere
GNAAboylove [10:39 PM]: my dad is not rich like my moms new husband
CTaco6969 [10:40 PM]: that kinda sucks
GNAAboylove [10:40 PM]: do peeps no ur gay
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: a few friends that i sit]
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: is it
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: what about u
GNAAboylove [10:41 PM]: fuck no
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [10:41 PM]: i dont want no one 2
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: cool
CTaco6969 [10:41 PM]: its all good
GNAAboylove [10:42 PM]: did you like live with your boyfriend
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: michael lived here for 2 years
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: sucks he is gone miss him to death
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: we got into a fight over windoze vs mac
GNAAboylove [10:42 PM]: so like you guys stayed in teh same bed all the time
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: he never worked ever
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: no next to mine
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: only a few times
CTaco6969 [10:42 PM]: he was a odd one
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: super closet case
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: LONG STORY
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: he said he could not be gay with me
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: anymore
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: plus i wanted him to get a jon
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: job
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: i spent like 10,000 on him (CLIT note: Off the money of VA Linux/Software/Whatever investors.)
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: in 2 years
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: easy
GNAAboylove [10:43 PM]: how did he get money if he didnt have a job
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: i took him to fl to Disney world for a week
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: ME
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: i paid
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: i was in love with him he used me
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: huge
GNAAboylove [10:43 PM]: i mean i dont have to work beucase i cant and got school
CTaco6969 [10:43 PM]: as soon as i told him he needed to get a job
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: he got intoa fight with me over something stupd and said he wanted to move back home
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: hes young also
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: just turned 20
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: was 18 when we met
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: yea well he dropped out
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [10:44 PM]: he didnt go to college
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: he looks like aaron carter
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: no hes stupid lol
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: we have not talked in 2 months
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: for real
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: we lived togeth for like 2 years
CTaco6969 [10:44 PM]: talked EVERYDAY
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: hing 24-7 and poof all gone
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: i cired for like a month stragight
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: straight
GNAAboylove [10:45 PM]: i hve to get above like a 3.5 so i can go to norhtwestern
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: he was like my best friend
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: nice
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: i like the pic of u in the red shirt
GNAAboylove [10:45 PM]: thats our basement
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: cool
GNAAboylove [10:45 PM]: thats were we hang
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: damm wish u lived closer
CTaco6969 [10:45 PM]: or at least not in IL
GNAAboylove [10:46 PM]: why ?
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: duh lol
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: your hot also
GNAAboylove [10:46 PM]: u want to be like boyfriends?
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: lolol i got to get to know u
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: plus your 14 lol ( yeah, keep laughing??.)
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: i would be a great friend
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: maybe more
CTaco6969 [10:46 PM]: who k nows ( well soon, everyone who visits PJ will know )
GNAAboylove [10:47 PM]: yea i hear that lots
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: can u talk on the phne
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: at all if i called u
GNAAboylove [10:47 PM]: i mean if you liked me i could like say i want live with my dad
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: dont worry i dont sound gay
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: that would rule
GNAAboylove [10:47 PM]: i dont want to talk on the phone cuz my sister is here and this place is so small
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: kk
CTaco6969 [10:47 PM]: its ok
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: well maybe another day
GNAAboylove [10:48 PM]: do u like work everyday
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: 9 to 5
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: work at the geek copmound
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: you look like my friend alot
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: i like your hair also
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: hooot
CTaco6969 [10:48 PM]: what have u done before
GNAAboylove [10:49 PM]: u mean sex?
CTaco6969 [10:49 PM]: ha
GNAAboylove [10:49 PM]: i only met 1 guy i did stuff with
CTaco6969 [10:49 PM]: how old was he
GNAAboylove [10:50 PM]: he said 25 but looked lots older
CTaco6969 [10:50 PM]: if u dont mind what did u do
CTaco6969 [10:50 PM]: why did u stop talking
GNAAboylove [10:51 PM]: didn?t ( ha ha, contacted linux.org because I know NOTHING about computerz?..oye )
GNAAboylove [10:51 PM]: srry was lookin at ur pix
CTaco6969 [10:51 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [10:51 PM]: im lookig at yours also
GNAAboylove [10:52 PM]: do u know Linus Torvalds ( Thanks linux.org!!! )
CTaco6969 [10:52 PM]: here ill show u stuff yea
CTaco6969 [10:52 PM]: i met them all
GNAAboylove [10:52 PM]: so u like GNU ( last time I knew , it was still Linux and ESR was king?and no I am not 50! )
GNAAboylove [10:52 PM]: oh and that guy was freak he just sucked me then made me get out of his car
CTaco6969 [10:53 PM]: that is messed up
GNAAboylove [10:53 PM]: we didnt even kiss
CTaco6969 [10:53 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source! ( oddly, our boy owns that website?.think he would include the new PJ wear on his site???? )
CTaco6969 [10:53 PM]: me and RMS
CTaco6969 [10:53 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source!
CTaco6969 [10:53 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source!
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source!
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source!
GNAAboylove [10:54 PM]: so do u hack then?
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source!
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: Slashdot.Org Your one stop open source merchandise and information source! (CLIT note: Each one of these was a link to a picture of him and various editors that work for him. Some of them appear to be down.)
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: the blond is eric raymond of fetchmail fame
GNAAboylove [10:54 PM]: whats ur name on there i dont think i seen u
CTaco6969 [10:54 PM]: rob (?.um?click on those links?you will get the last name without me having to post?.PS?.he is listed in the phone book! )
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: im not in finland
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: in something else
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: HLUG (CLIT note: Yet another lie. Holland Linux Users Group is in the Netherlands, and Rob does not work for, or own them. Rob reveals why he is telling so many lies later in the conversation.)
GNAAboylove [10:55 PM]: oh
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: anyhows lol
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: im bored lol
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: tonight
CTaco6969 [10:55 PM]: not now though
GNAAboylove [10:56 PM]: u no lots of peeps
CTaco6969 [10:56 PM]: so so
CTaco6969 [10:57 PM]: do u
CTaco6969 [10:57 PM]: have u ever been with a girl
GNAAboylove [10:57 PM]: 1 time
CTaco6969 [10:57 PM]: did u bang her ( yeah, actually I did, she said she was your sister?..WTF? )
GNAAboylove [10:58 PM]: no i fingered her but the stink
CTaco6969 [10:58 PM]: lolol
CTaco6969 [10:59 PM]: why are u on winter break now
GNAAboylove [10:59 PM]: because its winter break duh
CTaco6969 [10:59 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [10:59 PM]: u were waiting to use a duh on me to get me back
CTaco6969 [10:59 PM]: so we are duh even
GNAAboylove [10:59 PM]: ha ha no
GNAAboylove [11:00 PM]: i go to year round so our breaks are fucked
CTaco6969 [11:00 PM]: cool
GNAAboylove [11:00 PM]: liek spring break is in may
CTaco6969 [11:00 PM]: ok cool
GNAAboylove [11:01 PM]: so do you butt fuck
GNAAboylove [11:02 PM]: k im sorry i just wanted to know if it hurts
CTaco6969 [11:02 PM]: lolol
CTaco6969 [11:02 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: its ok
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: i used to fear it
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: and scared to do it
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: only did it 4 times
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: it rocks
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: but it has to be with the right person
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: and all
GNAAboylove [11:03 PM]: it dont hurt?
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: for the first minnute
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: than nothing
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: what are u looking to do
CTaco6969 [11:03 PM]: and all
GNAAboylove [11:04 PM]: i want more then just getting sucked and runnin i mean i want like to kiss and like see stuff
CTaco6969 [11:04 PM]: what is runnin
GNAAboylove [11:04 PM]: like that guy saying get out of my car
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: yea that is fucked up
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: well im not a runner
GNAAboylove [11:05 PM]: do you like wrestle or are u just like the coach
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: sucks you cant get your sister to meet me
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: at a mall on your way to nyu
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: or something
CTaco6969 [11:05 PM]: then get picked up ( once again, where are the flowers????? The romance?oh forgot, I am 14?.I'm just a piece of ass)
GNAAboylove [11:06 PM]: u can come here liek tommrrow cuz they be gone
CTaco6969 [11:06 PM]: maybe
CTaco6969 [11:06 PM]: i will
GNAAboylove [11:06 PM]: u never says if you like wrestle or r like a coach
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: no i write perl and all
GNAAboylove [11:07 PM]: but not like the open source guyz
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: bingo
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: u big
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: like how tall are u
GNAAboylove [11:07 PM]: so who do u hack do i know them?
CTaco6969 [11:07 PM]: u wont know them lol (CLIT note: Sourceforge has nothing by him)
GNAAboylove [11:07 PM]: im like 5-7
CTaco6969 [11:08 PM]: k
GNAAboylove [11:08 PM]: u look tall
CTaco6969 [11:09 PM]: 5-10
CTaco6969 [11:09 PM]: 5-11
GNAAboylove [11:09 PM]: yea ur tall
CTaco6969 [11:09 PM]: i would deff kiss u
GNAAboylove [11:10 PM]: that would be hot
CTaco6969 [11:10 PM]: cool cool
GNAAboylove [11:11 PM]: u gotta web cam? ( linux.org was doubting me that we really had Rob Malda asked me to get him on cam?..HA HA!!)
CTaco6969 [11:12 PM]: no worry
CTaco6969 [11:12 PM]: sorry
GNAAboylove [11:12 PM]: i asked 4 one for chirstmas and didn't get it
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: lol my dog ate mine
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: well look im going to bed now i think
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: add me to your buddy list
GNAAboylove [11:13 PM]: no stay
GNAAboylove [11:13 PM]: please
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: kk
CTaco6969 [11:13 PM]: ok ok
GNAAboylove [11:14 PM]: so like can we meet tommrrow and hang
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: well i work and all
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: but ill be online during the day
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: and we can figure something out
GNAAboylove [11:14 PM]: u promise
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: your sister has to really drive near me
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: actually to go to Ny
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: she should drop u off bribe her ( okay, you drive an 10 K Toyota?.and you cannot bribe her for the poor kid??? )
CTaco6969 [11:14 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [11:15 PM]: that would mean i gotta give her back teh 20 she gave me
GNAAboylove [11:16 PM]: and she won't cuz if i get busted she gets busted then she gets busted for taking my dads car out of newton square and my mom finds our and my dad gets in trouble
CTaco6969 [11:18 PM]: true
CTaco6969 [11:18 PM]: dont do it lol
GNAAboylove [11:18 PM]: ur so hot
CTaco6969 [11:18 PM]: lol thansk man
CTaco6969 [11:18 PM]: so are u
CTaco6969 [11:18 PM]: for real
CTaco6969 [11:19 PM]: whas your name
GNAAboylove [11:19 PM]: Im Brandon
CTaco6969 [11:19 PM]: kool
GNAAboylove [11:19 PM]: whats urs
CTaco6969 [11:19 PM]: rob
GNAAboylove [11:20 PM]: wait, that link u sent me to said Rob like rob owned the websight
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: yea i do
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: but i dont know u yet
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: and really am scared to tell u everything about me (CLIT note: Hence some of his lies in the chatlog. Rob here is very cautious. He knows how much he has to lose.)
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: did u see the one group pic
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: with everyone
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: notice how im in the middle of the pic
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: they all work for me (CLIT note: Way to use your editors to get over with the 14 year old, Rob.)
GNAAboylove [11:20 PM]: i no i always think like i am talking to someone here and they are going to be guys from my shchool and are going to tell everyone
CTaco6969 [11:20 PM]: lol me too ( I would never tell anyone you were gay, that is your deal...been in the closet and respect your decission.....but..trying to pick up a 14 year old boy discovering his sexuality....you bet I am telling everyone that deal ROB. Oh, and so is Harry Harriston from NBC in Philly! )
GNAAboylove [11:21 PM]: yea but if u like own that place then they cannt be dicks cuz your the boss
CTaco6969 [11:22 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:22 PM]: that is true
GNAAboylove [11:22 PM]: see im smart
CTaco6969 [11:22 PM]: olol
CTaco6969 [11:22 PM]: me too
CTaco6969 [11:23 PM]: wish it was tomm now ( hum?why, because I will be all alone and you can come get me??? Or wait, make my 17 year old sister drop me off so it is easy for your ass???? )
GNAAboylove [11:23 PM]: i wish it was friday
CTaco6969 [11:23 PM]: then u woul dbe gone lol
GNAAboylove [11:23 PM]: yea but u wont like me and im used to that
CTaco6969 [11:24 PM]: why do u say that
GNAAboylove [11:24 PM]: because guys never do they just say shyt
CTaco6969 [11:24 PM]: well i will
GNAAboylove [11:25 PM]: how do u own all those guys and r 23
CTaco6969 [11:25 PM]: im rich lol ( talk to me in 2005!! )
CTaco6969 [11:25 PM]: i started my company at 18
GNAAboylove [11:25 PM]: really?
CTaco6969 [11:25 PM]: i swear
GNAAboylove [11:25 PM]: u didnt go to college
CTaco6969 [11:25 PM]: you have a cute smile
CTaco6969 [11:26 PM]: i did
CTaco6969 [11:26 PM]: i graduated
GNAAboylove [11:26 PM]: where'd u go
CTaco6969 [11:26 PM]: temple for RTF
CTaco6969 [11:26 PM]: radio TV and film
GNAAboylove [11:26 PM]: my mom always says I will be like my dad if I dont go to college
CTaco6969 [11:27 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [11:27 PM]: i like my dad he is just like not rich
CTaco6969 [11:27 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [11:27 PM]: but my dad is really fun and my moms new husband is rich but really a dick
CTaco6969 [11:28 PM]: really that sucks
CTaco6969 [11:28 PM]: did u fly here
GNAAboylove [11:29 PM]: yeah and my ma said if my dad don't pay next time we cann't come
CTaco6969 [11:29 PM]: did your arms get hurt
GNAAboylove [11:29 PM]: ha ha
CTaco6969 [11:29 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [11:29 PM]: u sound fun
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: i am
GNAAboylove [11:30 PM]: did u know u were gay when u were 14
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: dude i knew when i was maybe
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: 10-11
GNAAboylove [11:30 PM]: i did to
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: in school always had crushes
CTaco6969 [11:30 PM]: on my friends
GNAAboylove [11:30 PM]: did you do stuff with them?
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: yeppers
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: i was str8 at the time
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: and all
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: just experimenting
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: yea
GNAAboylove [11:31 PM]: you weren't freaked to try
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: noo
CTaco6969 [11:31 PM]: i wanted to
GNAAboylove [11:31 PM]: i do to but what if someone tells and then no one likes me
CTaco6969 [11:32 PM]: yea well you got to be careful
GNAAboylove [11:32 PM]: i was on homecoming court this year and am really liked
CTaco6969 [11:32 PM]: it happend with me and my freinds when we found his dads porn
CTaco6969 [11:32 PM]: plus i would hint at my freinds first and feel them out
CTaco6969 [11:33 PM]: and then say i was joking
CTaco6969 [11:33 PM]: if they were not into it
GNAAboylove [11:33 PM]: so you watched porn and how did you do it
CTaco6969 [11:33 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [11:33 PM]: jerked off togehter
GNAAboylove [11:34 PM]: thats it
CTaco6969 [11:34 PM]: yea when i was in high scool
CTaco6969 [11:34 PM]: we blew each other and stuff
CTaco6969 [11:34 PM]: i always got freaked out afterwards
CTaco6969 [11:35 PM]: and hated doing it
CTaco6969 [11:35 PM]: and would get down on myself
CTaco6969 [11:35 PM]: but then i got used to it ( please not these lines for me OKAY?)
GNAAboylove [11:35 PM]: thats why i want to meet a guy here and do stuff so on one from no one can know
CTaco6969 [11:35 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [11:35 PM]: i hear u
GNAAboylove [11:36 PM]: but then if i like you and you like me that will suck
GNAAboylove [11:36 PM]: i mean i already really like you lots
GNAAboylove [11:36 PM]: ur so hot
CTaco6969 [11:36 PM]: thanks for real your cool also
CTaco6969 [11:37 PM]: well i have to get to bed now for real so tomm can come quicker lol
CTaco6969 [11:37 PM]: plus im beat
CTaco6969 [11:37 PM]: be good on here now that we met lol
GNAAboylove [11:37 PM]: i really like you
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: i like u also
GNAAboylove [11:38 PM]: i mean, you r not like aking me to jack off or do phone shyt
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: your a hottie
GNAAboylove [11:38 PM]: old guys always do that
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: that is corny perverted shit
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: im normal man
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: not a freak ( and trying to hook with a 14 year old is normal and not pervie????? )
GNAAboylove [11:38 PM]: theres lotos of freaks on here
CTaco6969 [11:38 PM]: no shit lol
GNAAboylove [11:39 PM]: so u swear u be on line tommrrow
CTaco6969 [11:39 PM]: i will but it will be like around noon time
GNAAboylove [11:39 PM]: i can wait if u promise
CTaco6969 [11:39 PM]: i promise
CTaco6969 [11:40 PM]: well talk on the phone also tomm so u know im not like some old fart
CTaco6969 [11:40 PM]: or something
CTaco6969 [11:40 PM]: can u hang here
CTaco6969 [11:40 PM]: or nah
GNAAboylove [11:40 PM]: you mean ur house?
CTaco6969 [11:40 PM]: yea
GNAAboylove [11:40 PM]: yea but i dont got a way to get there
GNAAboylove [11:40 PM]: i don't know where anything is here
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: k
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: well maybe tomm
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: i can get u
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: or something
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: i dont know where that is
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: but my freind is a pro
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: at getting around
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: hes my roomate
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: and is str8 but is mad cool
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: and knows about me
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: he dont care
GNAAboylove [11:41 PM]: ur going to bring a bud?
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: at all
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: noooo
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: if i get u i can get him to drive me
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: if it freaks you out its cool
CTaco6969 [11:41 PM]: i dont want u to be all worried
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: and shit
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: im not a serial killer
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: lol
GNAAboylove [11:42 PM]: but what if we like each other and want to do stuff and he is watching
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: NOOO he wont lol
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: we can come here
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: and chill here
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: i got a huge ass house
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: he wont be with me
GNAAboylove [11:42 PM]: show me on map
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: just for the drive
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: ******* ( he gave CowboyNeal's house number ?how kind?but we found him 2 doors down. )
CTaco6969 [11:42 PM]: in holland michigan
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: its like 45 minutes
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: but the way i drive 30
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: minutes
GNAAboylove [11:43 PM]: yeah it does look far
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: lol
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: i have a idea where u are near
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: we can work all that out tomm
GNAAboylove [11:43 PM]: its like my house to down town chicago
CTaco6969 [11:43 PM]: one thing is dont say your age lol
GNAAboylove [11:43 PM]: plus the train goes through the hood so i am not allowed to use it there
GNAAboylove [11:44 PM]: no i wont and i can act like old
CTaco6969 [11:44 PM]: i dont want my roomy thinking im a odd ball ( oh come now, like we are just going to limit your wannabe pedo behavior to your roommate....I love sharing! )
CTaco6969 [11:44 PM]: ok cool
CTaco6969 [11:44 PM]: he will be like why you with him hes young
GNAAboylove [11:44 PM]: i say to peeps that i go to community college when we go to norhtwestern to party and they believe me
CTaco6969 [11:44 PM]: nice
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: ok well its time to cuddle
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: with m pillow
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: my
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: catch u tomm
GNAAboylove [11:45 PM]: u promise
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: :-*
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: yea
CTaco6969 [11:45 PM]: if u give me a # ill call u tomm
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: u give me the time
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: to call
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: or just wait till than
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: your call
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: when i see u online
CTaco6969 [11:46 PM]: u can tell me it
GNAAboylove [11:46 PM]: my dad has calls forwarded to his cell from like 8 to 6 cuz he runs his biz out of the house and only has the one phone and a fax line
GNAAboylove [11:47 PM]: so i can only call out
CTaco6969 [11:47 PM]: kk
CTaco6969 [11:47 PM]: tomm u can call me
GNAAboylove [11:47 PM]: but i use my calling card becaue my mom freaks when she sees how long i talk and i get grounded
CTaco6969 [11:48 PM]: also if u im me
CTaco6969 [11:48 PM]: and i dont respind
CTaco6969 [11:48 PM]: i always leave aol on
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: so im not around
GNAAboylove [11:49 PM]: i won't say shyt cuz i had that happen once and my sister saw
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: lolol
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: u can say anything
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: its at my house
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: n my room
CTaco6969 [11:49 PM]: nobody will see but me
CTaco6969 [11:50 PM]: ok well its bed time
CTaco6969 [11:50 PM]: tty tomm
GNAAboylove [11:50 PM]: laytar and thanks
CTaco6969 [11:50 PM]: yeppers
GNAAboylove [11:51 PM]: nite

Still waters (5, Interesting)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489041)

run deep. Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm.
Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory?

Re:Still waters (4, Informative)

Huk (640468) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489052)

That would be a replacement for NDS, not AD. NDS is the replacement for AD. Novell did it first. I don't particularly like it, but it works fairly well.

Re:Still waters (2, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489210)

Why take things so litteraly? I think he means "an alternative to AD" since most people don't use Netware anymore.

I think NDS is pretty good. As simple or complex as you need it to be. (AD on the other hand is complicated from the start.)

Re:Still waters (4, Insightful)

DShard (159067) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489213)

NDS has been deprecated for years. E-Directory is the Novell directory now. E-directory uses a DB made by (I think) Brigham young uni for Genealogy research. You are right about MS was _way_ after novells entrance into the market. The real problem with AD is it is a horrible crossbread between a directory and their old domain system and that it isn't particularly standards conforment (surprise!)

Re:Still waters (4, Interesting)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489240)

"The real problem with AD is it is a horrible crossbread between a directory and their old domain system"

Not only that, but the fact that AD is filled with nonsense.. much like the Windows Registry. Why couldn't they have made something that was more refined, slick, and easier to manage? They had every opportunity and they blew it big time.

Oh well, that's Microsoft for ya.

Re:Still waters (1)

k_head (754277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489692)

AD is just a smelly hack. I strongly suspect that all the developers of AD were on LSD the whole time they were coding it.

There really is no other explanation as why it's such a tangled ball of barbed wire.

Re:Still waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489290)

The real problem with AD is it is a horrible crossbread

What is crossbread? Is this some new kind of pasty product?

Re:Still waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489970)

Like a hot cross bun, but you get a whole loaf of it.

Re:Still waters (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489075)


Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory?

I wouldn't hold your breath. Novell is a proprietary company. Notice they didn't purchase Red Hat an open source company, who has adhered strictly to the open source philosophy e.g. not even including mp3 capability with XMMS. Novell purchased Suse, who still keeps Yast nice and proprietary. I see two proprietary companies taking what they can, but to some extent not wanting to share completely with the other children.

Re:Still waters (5, Insightful)

ahillen (45680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8490092)

Novell purchased Suse, who still keeps Yast nice and proprietary.

1. YAST might be proprietary, but it comes with the source and you can share it as long as you don't charge for it (and you can modify it and share the modifications)... I just say that because many people seem to think that YAST is a traditional closed-source only-available-for-money-from-SuSE type of application.

2. SuSE keeps a somewhat stricter control (which boils down to: only SuSE is allowed to SELL it, others can only distribute it free of charge) on their setup program for their distribution, since this is the part the are able to differentiate from the other distributions. Apart from that they contribute a lot to different open source projects (Linux kernel, Xfree,KDE...), so calling them a proprietary company is a bit... strange.

3. I think the reason for Novell buying SuSE is more based on opportunities (what company is available to buy) and the technical merit of SuSE. I don't think an evil, proprietary company bought a like-minded other (which seems to be the spin you want to give it).

PARENT IS A DIRTY FUCKING JEW - MOD DOWN !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489104)

n/t

Re:Still waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489205)

run deep.

rolling stone ... ?

Re:Still waters (1)

Gramie2 (411713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489228)

Is it true that Active Directory really stores all the information in a MS Access database? Seems hard to believe, considering the security risk.

Re:Still waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489262)

Access and AD both use jet. Both where does the security problem come in - if someone can get direct access to the data then they can read passwords whatever the format and if they don't have direct access what does the underlying format matter.

Re:Still waters (4, Informative)

bernywork (57298) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489301)

It uses Jet, the same database format as what is used in Exchange. If you want more information a couple of technet searches should see you good. Note the use of edbutil to fix up active directory databases, and eseutil to fix Exchange database issues. If you look up a few of the articles on the net they also say that Active Directory uses the Jet database system as well.

There is another post above mine saying people can get access to passwords etc. Yes true to some degree, but the password isn't stored in plaintext, its stored encrypted. So you either have to have physical access to the box, a tape backup (and hope the tape data isn't encrypted) or you need admin access. If you have admin access already it doesn't matter as you can reset passwords, or otherwise you can at least using something like pwdump and get a copy of the password list anyway. You shouldn't have physical access to the box if you aren't an admin either. So really, it isn't that insecure.

Really, this isn't any more insecure than anything else. The password variables I don't believe passwords can be queried via. LDAP either. It just returns the data as "binary value".

Re:Still waters (1)

Gramie2 (411713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489470)

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I just had a knee-jerk "Access == Bad" reaction. I suppose that if the place the AD database is stored is secure, then the database itself is secure, kind of like a shadow password file.

Re:Still waters (1)

222 (551054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489287)

Im not so sure it would be open source, but i can almost promise you we'll see novell providing directory services for linux. Flame all you want if Novell ever decides to provide closed source software for linux, but keep this in mind.
They appear to be acting honorably and in the best interest of OSS, and they can provide key components that Linux NEEDS. Its a good thing ;)

Re:Still waters (2, Informative)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489384)

Actually, Novell has been providing directory services for Linux for years.

This page [novell.com] lists the supported platforms, and the requirements for each platform.

Re:Still waters (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489293)

We all ready have a alternative to AD.

It's called OpenLDAP.

NDS, and MS's crappy copy if it (AD), are both LDAP servers with a database of users and objects that they running in the background.

OpenLDAP is Linux's implementation of it and can be used with linux distros my modifing the PAM authentifiaction rules of you computer.

Also by adding Unix services to MS's AD you can use AD to authenticate Linux users and services against. And newer versions of SAMBA can provide the AD functionality of a w2k server in most ways.

Plus Linux can use the old-fasion NIS stuff that is traditionally used for Unix domains.

Re:Still waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489344)

And newer versions of SAMBA can provide the AD functionality of a w2k server in most ways.

Do what? Samba can not function as an AD server in ANY way. It can be a AD domain member, yes, but it can not serve the role as an AD server--ie, group policies, etc.

Re:Still waters (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489583)

OpenLDAP is a great project, don't get me wrong - however, eDirectory is much, much more scalable than OpenLDAP.

NDS and eDirectory are not just LDAP servers - in fact, NDS provided no LDAP capabilities (there was a bolt-on NLM on NetWare to provide LDAPv2 access to it at one point). eDirectory provides a fully-compliant LDAPv3 interface. But to say that eDirectory is just an LDAP server is like saying that a Porsche is just a car.

eDirectory provides many additional interfaces, including SOAP, XML, ADSI, NDAP (Novell's DAP), and many others.

Re:Still waters (2, Insightful)

passthecrackpipe (598773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489730)

It is my experience that when people say "I want a directory for my infrstructure" (especially management), they really mean to say "i want a nice, easy, flexible and most of all pretty way of managing users for my systems. OpenLDAP, for all its nice features lacks in most cases the out of the box functionality (it is there, but you have to do a lot of work to make it happen for you) that most people would want. It lacks in most distros the default schemas all set up and ready to go for system authentication. It lacks the nice gui that will do this management in a comprehensive and consistent manner, with rule checking and semantics checking etc.Now, I'm not flaming OpenLDAP, as it is a robust and solid piece of directory work that is simply love to hate, however don't confuse the backend and engine with an "enterprise level solution".

Re:Still waters (2, Interesting)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489817)

This is going to be completely useless (I can't claim to have much experience with LDAP, having given up setting it up every now and then), but I did see a program that does just that - provide a pretty frontend for OpenLDAP directories, and I know Red Hat/FC1 have the option of selecting LDAP as an authentication method during setup.

Re:Still waters (1)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8490031)

I use direcory administrator [open-it.org] . I wouldn't say it's a wonderfull piece of software but it gets the work done.

Re:Still waters (4, Informative)

Erik Hensema (12898) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489982)

I'd LOVE to see a Linux distribution based entirely on an OpenLDAP infrastructure. Most of the technoligy is already there, it just has to be pieced together in a nice ready-to-go package.

Here's what we already have:

  • OpenLDAP server. Nice and solid, but too hard to administer.
  • PAM. My workstation had been running for months without a /etc/passwd file. No problem whatsoever. Simply use pam_ldap and nss_ldap and you're set
  • Samba. Intergrates nicely with LDAP. When running as a PDC, Samba will change your unix password when your change your windows pass, and you can have linux to change your windows pass when you change your unix pass. This gives nice and transparent intergration without the user ever knowing that his password is stored in no less than three different hashes.
  • LDAP admin frontend. This is where the trouble starts. Mosts frontends are generic and therefore complex. Most admins simply want to store user accounts into a LDAP database, including telephone numbers, home address, etc. No really good interface which makes this task an easy one yet exists, AFAIK. A lot of bad ones do, however.

YaST however does already have a simply LDAP tool to create users. YaST also makes setting up a LDAP client a breeze. Combined with Novell's knowledge on directories this could lead to an interesting development.

Re:Still waters (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8490038)

I don't understand what makes an LDAP directory so great for storing user details. At a place where I once worked we stored details in a relational database (Postgres) and that seemed to work well. There are probably other database systems that could be used too. Why LDAP?

ror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489413)

hi r u cute? a/s/l

NDS/eDirectory on Linux (5, Informative)

mrscott (548097) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489420)

Novell doesn't need to create an open source directory since there are already plenty of directories that work well wtih Linux - including Novell's own eDirectory which is the successor to NDS. eDirectory is now OS-agnostic and doesn't even need NetWare to run. It's one of the reasons that GroupWise (also soon to be available natively under Linux) runs so well in Windows-only environments.

Now... if we're looking for a *free* directory from Novell under Linux, don't hold your breath. eDirectory is an excellent product (beats AD in almost all areas, in my opinion) for which Novell should be paid.

However, do take a look at Novell's site. At one point, they were offering something like 250,000 free eDirectory seats - the OS didn't matter.

Re:NDS/eDirectory on Linux (2, Insightful)

hendersj (720767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489559)

Actually, with the eDirectory Redistribution Kit, you can get 250,000 user licenses for free for any of the supported platforms. (This is the offer you were referring to, and yes, the RDK is still available)

eDirectory is plumbing, and Novell understands that - the value of eDirectory comes by having:

1. Wide adoption of it as the core of identity management solutions, and

2. Services that effectively leverage eDirectory to provide the value.

Selling eDirectory doesn't make a lot of sense, but providing the services to help (a) implement it effectively, (b) support it effectively, and (c) understand how to implement services that utilize the identity store effectively is where revenue can be generated.

IBM open sourced AFS (3, Interesting)

mdfst13 (664665) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489578)

IBM open sourced AFS, so there is some precedent. Of course, AFS's reliance on root servers (to integrate the different AFS cells; what allows cmu.edu to cd into mit.edu or pitt.edu) make it a stronger commercial open source candidate (i.e. potential revenue is more from leasing root server access than selling client or normal server licenses anyway). Still, anything that centralizes file serving can lead to support contracts, etc. that can justify open source development.

Open sourcing would also allow integration of open source tools like MySQL or ReiserFS.

FUCK YOU! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489042)

Live from Mom's basement, it's Slashdot Saturday Night!

Interesting (5, Interesting)

SisyphusShrugged (728028) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489046)

By making these moves they seem to be positioning themselves to be in a similar position to IBM, at least as someone at the forefront of Linux development and usage.

This is an intelligent move as it allows them to move into an area (one of the few in the computing industry) not yet monopolised by Micro$oft!

Past history (1)

t0ny (590331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489462)

Well, if what happened to Word Perfect is any indication of what Novell is planning, I would start being very worried.

ZDNet Face-to-Face (4, Informative)

LinuxXPHybrid (648686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489048)

He appeared in ZDNet's Face-to-Face several months ago and he was talking about Novell's Linux strategy in the interview; here's the link http://zdnet.com.com/1200-1110-5083063.html (You need to scroll down one screen or so).

Re:ZDNet Face-to-Face (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489065)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory.

Re:ZDNet Face-to-Face (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489127)

Why would they open source it? They close everything else of value.

...linkified... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489072)

Re:ZDNet Face-to-Face (0, Redundant)

Tagren (715283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489182)

I like Scott Mcnealy's face at the picture at the bottom... search for *Scott McNealy believes his company*.
"How long do I have to sit here"

--

Developments for OSS? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489051)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory?

where's the beef? (-1, Offtopic)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489061)

There is the obligatory link to the MySQL user conference, the obligatory Chris Stone bio link, links to a few previous stories, but no new story. This is so surreal. Its like when I went into Subway with a friend who ordered a "six inch on wheat, with cheese". The girl behind the counter got out the bread, cut it in half, put the cheese on it, then kind of spaced out for a minute before asking him what kind of sandwich he wanted. Try it sometime.

Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (4, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489067)

I don't know about you, but Novell is probably the only company I'd trust with this large a slice of the linux pie. They got royally screwed over by Microsoft (market share wise), and I'm sure more than one exec up there has thought about dethroning Gates.

Plus, they bought one of the best implementations of Gnome and a great KDE implementation. I can see Novell bringing the linux desktop together in many ways.

Anyone wanna bet we'll be seeing a Knome 4.0 release rather than a Gnome 4.0 and KDE 4.0?

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489123)

To answer that last question: no.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489159)

You trust them because they want to dethrone MS? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. There's a lot of companies out there that would love to dethrone Gates and Co. That doesn't mean that if/when that day comes businessmen worldwide will be running into the streets chanting open source. As bad as MS is, I'm convinced that Oracle would be far worse, and while IBM has a good name in the Open Source community now, I'm not convinced they'd handle that type of power again any better than they did the first time around. Novell wants what every business wants, money and influence. That doesn't make them evil but it does mean we need to keep a close eye on them.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (2, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489160)

Anyone wanna bet we'll be seeing a Knome 4.0 release rather than a Gnome 4.0 and KDE 4.0?


I was hoping for GDE 4.0

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (4, Interesting)

Erratio (570164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489164)

I don't see dethroning Gates as a motive which would inspire one to stick to the open source mentality. Collectively among the Linux, etc. community it's a good goal, but if that were a driving force behind a company then there would be definitely interest in maintaining an amount of power which conflicts with the communal aspect. The main motivation has to be something more along the lines of wanting the best software and realizing (or thinking) that open source is the way for that.

Novell may be a good company for this because it seems as though they have a lot more to gain than their likely perceived losses, considering their current small foundation in these industries.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489225)

"The main motivation has to be something more along the lines of wanting the best software and realizing (or thinking) that open source is the way for that."

While nice, this has never and will never be the reason a company ever does anything. However, if companies feel they have to do OSS to stay competitive then the end result could very well be better software, so I suppose it works out in the end.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489226)

Yes, yes you are.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (2, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489289)

Anyone wanna bet we'll be seeing a Knome 4.0 release rather than a Gnome 4.0 and KDE 4.0?

Won't happen. Many of the basic differences between the projects aren't one of degrees, where you can find a middle ground. For toolkit, for example, you would need to choose between GTK and Qt - there is no average or middle ground there. Had either been significantly better than the other, it would have been easier, but, flame wars aside, both are mature, complete toolkits.

And whichever way you choose, you loose most - if not all - of the people who enjoy working with the other toolkit, leaving the community just as split as before. In fact, you end up worse, due to buildup of hard feelings and bruised egos from the unifying attempt.

No, the right way is through freedesktop.org - define standards that any desktop should adhere to and infrastructure technologies they should support, and let people go wild with their projects. Sort of like defining an open document format rather than standardizing on one, and only one, word processor.

We are just being careful (2, Interesting)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489318)

" I don't know about you, but Novell is probably the only company I'd trust with this large a slice of the linux pie. "

Why on earth would you just trust Novell automatically? Novell's cash cow has always been its proprietary technology. They are a proprietary company that although by no mean about to die has already seen its heyday. The adoption of Linux by Novell was a long term strategic move based on the fact that Novell wasn't going anywhere with its traditional technologies, and needed to buy someone else's to compete in today's marketplace.

I see no reason to be anything but cautiously optimistic. Anything beyond that is just foolish. Its going to take years not months before Novell can be regarded as a true ally to Linux and Open Source. Just because they are continuing down the path that Ximian and Suse were already on doesn't prove anything.

If they really want to befriend the Open Source community they could start by opening up YAST and the Ximian connector. That would be a real token of faith. Again, acquiring an Open Source company or two and then just keeping the status quo doesn't mean much.

"Plus, they bought one of the best implementations of Gnome and a great KDE implementation. I can see Novell bringing the linux desktop together in many ways."

Perhaps. Or maybe they take Gnome and KDE and make the best proprietary Linux desktop ever made. Or maybe you'll see the semi-proprietary Suse with the even more proprietary NDS and Groupwise technologies get rolled into a really slick server? But how would that help Open Source?

Honestly I haven't read anything that makes alarms go off in my head thinking Novell is trying to screw over "Linux". I also haven't read anything mind blowing with regards to Novell opening up anything that wasn't open before.

If Novell just acts as a steward for Ximian and ensures it has funding so that they can continue to kick back to Gnome I'll be happy. If they make Suse even more proprietary its not the biggest loss. But really let's hope Novell opens some of its own code and sponsors some new OSS projects that will take Linux and OSS to the next level.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (1)

bgeer (543504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489361)

I sure hope you are the only one. Nobody should ever trust a company to do anything other than try to make money. Novell would screw Linux and sell us all into cocoa plantation slavery if they could double their profits doing it. What's more it is very doubtful that they're nursing a grudge against MS, more likely they just see Linux as the only way to escape the inevitable Netscapification of all of their products.

Re:Am I the only one who trusts Novell? (2, Informative)

craXORjack (726120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489744)

What's more it is very doubtful that they're nursing a grudge against MS

This is true. Years ago they realized how self destructive it was to treat MS as an enemy when they were dependent on Windows for client development and in porting their server products to NT. When I was there for training some of the Novell employees I met were ex-Microsoft employees who were born in Utah. Maybe they just got tired of the rain in Seattle or wanted to go home and find a nice Mormon girl to marry. I don't know. But Novell as a corporation doesn't seem to hold any grudges against Gates and Co.

Innovations? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489074)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory.

yeah, right.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489085)

I bet the hookers are REEEEEAALLLLY hot at this convention...

NOT!

Can't wait (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489088)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory??

What will they have for us? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489096)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Active Directory???

Re:What will they have for us? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489107)

I wouldn't hold your breath. Novell is a proprietary company. Notice they didn't purchase Red Hat an open source company, who has adhered strictly to the open source philosophy e.g. not even including mp3 capability with XMMS. Novell purchased Suse, who still keeps Yast nice and proprietary. I see two proprietary companies taking what they can, but to some extent not wanting to share completely with the other children.

What they're gonna say ... (2, Funny)

didjit (34494) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489097)

Perhaps we finally get to see what Novell is planning to do with Linux?

The largest ever set of SCO licenses purchased at one time.

LOL WTF?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489100)

Can't wait to what Novell does after they've gathered all of this knowledge and all of these developers to their helm. Maybe offer an Open Source replacement for Bill Gates???

Nothinig Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489133)

Nothing good is going to come of Novell buying
Suse. Novell is a company that is about to
go under and buying Suse is a last ditch
effort that is too little to late. Rather than
Suse saving Novell, Novell will be the death
of Suse and unfortunately, a black eye for Linux.

IAGREEWITHTHISPOST (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489207)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Netware is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Novell community when IDC confirmed that Netware market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Netware has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Novell is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict Novell's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Novell faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Novell because Netware is dying. Things are looking very bad for Novell. As many of us are already aware, Netware continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Corel Netware is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Corel developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Netware is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Netware Admin leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Netware Admin. How many users of ConsoleOne are there? Let's see. The number of Netware Admin versus ConsoleOne posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 ConsoleOne users. Corel Netware posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of ConsoleOne posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Corel Netware. A recent article put Novell Netware at about 80 percent of the Netware market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Netware users. This is consistent with the number of Netware Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Word Perfect, abysmal sales and so on, Corel is going out of business and will probably be taken over by Novell who sell another troubled OS. Now Novell is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Netware has steadily declined in market share. Novell is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Netware is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. Netware continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Netware is dead.

Fact: Netware is dying

INEEDTOFINDTHESPACEKEYORDROPDEAD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489245)

IDONOTAGREEWITHTHISPOST (2, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489254)

Show me the proof?

How come everytime a company that's not "on top" goes and tries to expand their market, you get fools like this that say ignorant things like "this is a last ditch effort?"

Bah. I consider Novell a good asset to have behind Linux, they still have a lot of capital and talent in the company. I hope they use it wisely.

Re:IDONOTAGREEWITHTHISPOSTORITSPARENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489292)

show me the money?!

Re:IDONOTAGREEWITHTHISPOST (1)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489703)

Funny, I see the oppisite.
When a company is doing well we start a PR monster to kill them and prop up some #2 guy as the savior. Anyone who makes money == bad.

its win win win (5, Interesting)

buddha42 (539539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489140)

Novel really has so much potential here and so much to offer I really can't wait for them to get moving.

How about a cross platform groupwise based mail/groupware platform that can honestly compete with exchange?

Or a active directory competitor based on NDS.

Or a well respected certificate program.

Best of all, a genuine compeitor to redhat, forcing some price and service competition.

Between Novel, RedHat, and IBM the next few years are going to be amazing for linux. It would be nice if Sun would stop pussyfooting around, but they've got some issues to work out first.

Re:its win win win (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489170)

Groupwise does compete with Exchange (it's better in many people's opinion).

Active Directory competitor? It's called eDirectory, and is far and away superior to AD. AD is crap, by the way, just crap.

SuSE was already a genuine competitor. It's a much more globally used distro.

Re:its win win win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489279)

SuSE was already a genuine competitor. It's a much more globally used distro Really? mind pointing me to that fact sheet? Or are you just going from what you heard on a slashdot post. Netcraft estimates Red Hat is %60 of the entire linux market who I might ad just won a contract in Germany to get the second largest EU service provider.
SuSe does not automatically mean the world likes it just cause its based in Germany, beleive it or not some companys out there still want open source software and Novell still has many un answered questions.

Re:its win win win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489370)

eDirectory already runs on Linux and scales to Billions of Objects

The CrossPlatform Groupwise is in public beta now.

XD2 still Rocks and Red Carpet will assist in bringing the Linux Desktop to the Enterprise

Re:its win win win (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489530)

Excuse me, an Active Directory competitor based on NDS?

eDirectory scales to billions of objects, is built out of the experience Novell gained from NDS, and has more seats sold than Active Directory and Sun Directory Server combined. It runs on NetWare (obviously), Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows 2003, Linux, AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris-SPARC.

Having worked with Active Directory extensively (I was involved in planning a very large scale deployment of Active Directory - after 2.5 years, it's finally starting to roll out - that's a hell of a lot of planning), I can assure you that eDirectory very soundly kicks Active Directory's ass in the directory space.

That's why Microsoft only compares AD to NDS as it ran on NetWare 4.x. It's only as good as technology Novell developed 10 years ago.

Hope Springs Eternal. (1)

k_head (754277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489712)

Hope springs eternal but I would not hold my breath.

Novell has always had fantastic products. Ask anybody who was/is a netware admin and I bet you can't get them to shut up about how great the products were. Same with zenworks or NSD/eDirectory.

The problem is that Novell does not know how to sell. They have no juice with the magazines, they have no PR power. They can't create buzz and excitement about their products.

Maybe things have changed over there, I certainly hope so, but I am not holding my breath.

Get discount tickets! (-1, Troll)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489145)

You can get discount tickets to this event if you agree to spend 90 minutes discussing timeshare vacation resort properties with one of our sales representatives. A $20 deposit is required. No obligation, of course (wink, wink).

Those of you in the Orlando area know just what I'm talking about, I'm sure. Heh, heh.

Re:Get discount tickets! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489184)

well its got to be better than that sking weekend i got in colorado, even the police were in on it

Re:Get discount tickets! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489215)

hey! I was there that weekend. Remember when that guy... I think his name was billy (billy and his willy) got his dick stuck in the toaster. It was so funny that I split my pants, resulting in immediate anal rape by the ski patrol.

All in all a good fuck/weekend for all.

Embracing Open Source (4, Informative)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489217)

This will be interesting to hear indeed. ALl the other interviews I've seen (with Novell and Ximian staff for instance) have implied that this really is the new direction for Novell - that is, that from top to bottom Novell has grasped that open source is a powerful way forward and is busy trying to absorb open source culture into their ranks. They went as far as suggesting that one of te reasons for the purchase of Ximian was integrate the Ximian staff into the company and thereby imbue the different divisions with an open source mindset.

Of course all of that can quite easily be a lot of spin - some nice fluffy stories to keep the open source community on side. Then again, they prompty bought SuSE after that, so obviously they were still well interested in open source.

The real promise of this is the concept of a big company really getting open source and moving to it in a powerful way. The credibility alone would be fantastic. Yes, IBM backs Linux, but not in the same way Novell potentially promises to. Right now IBM has Linux as a nice side project, whereas Novell is talking about swallowing open source to it's core.

I look forward to seeing where Novell goes - it could be a very long way indeed.

Jedidiah

Re:Embracing Open Source (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489315)

Well, let's just hope they ARE interested in Open Source, instead of trying to write all these non-gpl applications that only work right on their distribution.

Re:Embracing Open Source (2, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489375)

Well, let's just hope they ARE interested in Open Source, instead of trying to write all these non-gpl applications that only work right on their distribution.

That's still to be seen isn't it. It's all very well to talk the talk (which they've been doing a good job of so far), the reall question will be how well they follow through with it.

My personal guess is that Novell will remain fairly proprietary - There's too much invested in ZenWorks and the like to just open source it all now (from a politcla, justify to your uneducated shareholders viewpoint) - But I do think they'll produce a fairly clean distribution, and at the least have fairly distribution agnostic proprietary parts.

Only time will tell though.

Re:Embracing Open Source (1)

k_head (754277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489705)

I don't see anything wrong with that. I figure they can drive the adoption of linux once they get all the kinks out of integrating edirectory and zenworks and linux.

Combine that with groupwise and you have a compelling enterprise story to tell. Basically you can do anything AD/sql server/windows/exchange/outlook can but cheaper and better.

He's going to tell them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489249)

He's going to tell them to use Postgres.

What about Brainshare in March? (5, Informative)

Admiral1973 (623214) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489269)

I think Chris Stone is more likely to reveal new strategies for Novell and Linux at the first keynote speech at Brainshare 2004. I'm sure he'll have similar things to say at the MySQL conference, but I hope that those of us who attend Brainshare get the scoop first. I'm looking forward to attending the conference again (I first went in 2002); Chris Stone was the featured speaker at the first keynote then, and he was entertaining and informative. Something about being a former drummer for Aerosmith seems to help him with crowds.

Re:What about Brainshare in March? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489412)

I noticed an artical talking about the fact that novell was looking at what feature of netware would it make sense to open souce. This to me means that any software that gives them a leg up on the compitition will still be propritary but any software that could benifit from being open souce will be open sourced eventually.

Novell (-1, Redundant)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489270)

The first thing to know about Novell is that Netware rocks.

The second thing to know about Novell is to never, ever believe anything they ever say about a product other than...well any of thier products or roadmaps or projected features or plans.

go on MODS fuck me down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489285)

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Welcome to FOSS Novell! (3, Interesting)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489380)

But if Chris Stone says anything about "Monetizing Linux" or Open Source, please stand up and walk out. That's what should have happened to Darl Gates, er, McBride when he said he was going to turn Caldera/SCOGrope into "bottled water" sellers.

Novell is a Good Guy right now but Can'O'Pee and SCOGrope come from Novell...albeit an earlier incarnation with Noorda.

Companies, especially publicly traded ones, have loyalties to stockholders and are subject to spot-on 180's in pursuit of increasing stockholder value.

So, no offense, Novell and Chris, but I think you understand why we might be liking to keep things platonic right now.

Keep it up, Novell. You're winning many new friends.

Re:Welcome to FOSS Novell! (1)

swimmar132 (302744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489849)

They're not exactly new to the OSS movement.

From Chris' bio:

"Chris has been working with and around Open Source and Linux technology since 1997. He initiated the Open Source Review Board in 1997 to help Novell migrate services to Linux."

Desparate Measures from a Dying Company (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489497)

Does anyone else see this as essentially an admission of defeat? A panicked, last ditch attempt to find some avenue for revenue/sales growth given that Novell has basically no customers other than legacy customers, for whom the pain of migrating to a better enterprise networking architecture exceeds the pain of inertia? How exactly -Chris Stone's eloquent yet content-free market-speak aside- does Novell intend to create a business around this open source architecture? What VALUE is Novell adding? What's the Special Sauce?

My favorite quote from the interview: "We're not after Microsoft. We're after opportunity." As the CarTalk boys say, "Good Luck"...

Hardly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489533)

No, nobody else sees it this way.

Novell is doing what any company does in the marketplace - it evolves. Companies that don't adapt, die. Isn't that how the saying goes? Adapt or Die?

Who Cares... (-1, Troll)

Not The Real Me (538784) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489506)

What Novell's plans are with Linux? Since XFree86 v4+ does not work with my S3 968 chipset card, I say: "screw open source".

Revenue will be their biggest challenge (5, Interesting)

Twid (67847) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489519)

For Novell, I think the biggest challenge is to keep revenue stable while customers transition from NetWare to Linux, without losing too many customers to Windows in the process.

NetWare is still pretty expensive on the server. A 50-user copy is about $150 a seat on CDW retail ($7,500), about $50 a seat under a licensing agreement ($2,500).

SuSE is $999 per server with no client licenses fees.

Figuring NetWare to be about 50% of Novell's one billion in revenue, that means Novell would stand to lose more that 25% of their total revenue assuming everyone switched to SuSE. Novell might make this up with SuSE/Ximian desktop revenue, but I see large amounts of revenue from Linux on the desktop as being a long time in the making.

The estimates for SuSE revenue for 2003 were for about $40 million in revenue. As near as I can tell Ximan never really made any money to speak of.

So, if I haven't bored anyone to death yet, Novell NetWare is a $500 million revenue stream, SuSE is a $40 million revenue stream. Novell needs to very carefully transition from NetWare to SuSE if they want to keep revenue even. They can also grow by taking customers from Microsoft or Red Hat. But, it appears to me that Novell will have to shrink about 25% in size in order to remain profitable in the short term. Red Hat, with a more mature Linux strategy, only made $100 million in the last four quarters.

None of this is a bad thing, and I wish Novell the best of luck. I used to work there, and I still have friends there. Just doing the math though it seems like they will need to get smaller before they get bigger again.

Re:Revenue will be their biggest challenge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489899)

Did we forget that free was in software, not beer. It is ok to Charge for the software as long as the code was available to all!!

Michael Moore is an idiot! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489591)

"We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in a time where we have fictitious election results, that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons" - Michael Moore's acceptance speech at the Oscars.

Lets face it, Michael Moore is an idiot and we should take back his Oscar. Where does he get off calling our President fictitious...moreover, sending a quarter of a million troops into war for "fictitious reasons."

Moore along with the Dixie Chicks, should pack their bags and make a b-line for nearest communist country. Their personal attacks on our beloved President are cowardly and utterly disrespectful.

Mr. President Bush, if you ever read this article, take peace in knowing that while the majority of Hollywood is not taking sides with you, the majority of America supports your cause as it is in the best interest of national security. God Bless your soul, God Bless the troops in Iraq, God Bless America!

I'm glad I voted for you. And just in case if any of you out there are wondering what party I am? I'm not a republican, but an independent.

Remember, most of what Moore says are lies. Including elements that are included in his movies. To find out the truth please visit MOORE WATCH. [moorewatch.com]

Transition to Linux? (2, Informative)

CycoChuck (102607) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489650)

I'm hoping that Novell will make transition tools so that you can easily move user data from NetWare over to Linux. Although I do like the NetWare servers at work (our 3.5 server has gone 3 years without reboot) the user and server licenses are too expensive.

SWAG: Maybe Novell wants to buy MySQL? (4, Interesting)

PB8 (84009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8489711)

It's a very wild guess, but think about it. Novell already has the Ximian desktop and now SuSE. Next, try to get a key piece of the LAMP server , and what's more central to most current web content packages than MySQL?

Re:SWAG: Maybe Novell wants to buy MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489907)

As long as the install is much easier than Oracle for linux, this would be good.... The Oracle install for Linux sucks.

Re:SWAG: Maybe Novell wants to buy MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8489987)

Some other database I hope. Compared to any of the competition, mysql really has nothing oging for it, other than slashbot drone mentality.

Re:SWAG: Maybe Novell wants to buy MySQL? (2, Insightful)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8490028)

Wouldn't SAP have something to say about that? I think they went into partnership with MySQL a while back.

Re:SWAG: Maybe Novell wants to buy MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8490108)

Using the word "partnership" gives a bit too much crdit to MySQL. SAP still develops the database, MySQL sells it, because they don't any read database product themselves.

Linux is "Simply Good Business" is Novell's Claim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8490103)

Stone's boss, Novell's Jack Messman said at LinuxWorld [linuxworld.com] in January that "Novell is a billion-dollar company that's wagering its future on open source" and made a convincing case for there being no contradiction between supplying a free Linux distribution and supplying value-add services on Linux that Novell charges for. His final words [linuxworld.com] were apparently: "Linux is simply good business."
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