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EB Demands Payment From Victim of Theft

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the this-is-very-shady dept.

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blincoln writes "ABC Action News is reporting that a Florida Electronics Boutique bought stolen games and gaming hardware, and made a profit on selling them back to their rightful owner, refusing to return the merchandise unless she paid them. From the article: 'EB Games still insists it will not refund Michelle's money. If she wants her money back, the company said, she can go through the legal system and get restitution from the thief.' In addition, EB appears to be violating the law by re-selling used merchandise without holding it for the required number of days. I was under the impression that purchasers of stolen merchandise could expect it to be seized by the police (who would return it to the owner) and not recover any of the money they spent buying it unless they took action against the thief. Is that not the case in Florida?"

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John "Eff-ing" Kerry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491497)

Since quitting the Navy six months early at age 27 so he could run for Congress on an antiwar platform, John Kerry has built a political career on his service in Vietnam. His unsuccessful 1970 congressional bid lasted only a month, during which it proved impossible for even he to get to the left of the winner, Robert Drinan, but it forged a conflicting political persona - one hammered out between his combat medals earned in the Mekong delta and the common cause he made with the enemy upon his return home.

Now, at age 60, the junior Democratic senator from Massachusetts is milking his veteran status once again in an effort to show that he's tougher and more patriotic than the man he seeks to replace, President George W. Bush. And, as unrepentant as ever for his pro-Hanoi activism, he is just as conflicted in 2004 as he was in the 1960s.

If there is any consistency in Kerry's political career, it is his in-your-face use of that four-month stint in Vietnam. He enlisted like many other young men of privilege, trying to serve without going to the front lines. When in 1966 it looked like his draft number was coming up during his senior year at Yale University, and already having spoken out in public against the war, Kerry signed up with the Navy under the conscious inspiration of his hero, the late President John F. Kennedy. As a lieutenant junior grade, Kerry skippered a CTF-115 swift boat, a light, aluminum patrol vessel that bore a passing resemblance to PT-109. He thought he'd arranged to avoid combat. "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," he later would tell the Boston Globe. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling, and that's what I thought I was going to do."

Soon, however, Kerry was reassigned to patrol the Mekong River in South Vietnam, a formative experience for his political odyssey. The official record shows that he rose to the occasion. It was along the Mekong where he first killed a man, aggressively fighting the enemy Viet Cong and reportedly saving the lives of his own men, earning a Bronze Star, a Silver Star for valor, and three Purple Hearts in the process.

Kerry opted for reassignment to New York City, where - as a uniformed, active-duty officer - he reportedly began acting out the antiwar feelings he had expressed before enlisting. Press reports from the time say that he marched in the October 1969 Moratorium protests - a mass demonstration by a quarter-million people that had been orchestrated the previous summer by North Vietnamese officials and American antiwar leaders in Cuba (see sidebar, p. 27). Kerry had found his purpose in life. The New York Times reported on April 23, 1971, that at about the time of the Moratorium march, Lt. Kerry had "asked for, and was given, an early release from the Navy so he could run for Congress on an antiwar platform from his home district in Waltham, Mass."

For Kerry, politicizing the nation's war effort for partisan purposes was the right thing to do, in contrast to the violent revolutionary designs of colleagues who were out to destroy the system. Kerry didn't want to take down the establishment. He wanted to take it over. His aborted, monthlong 1970 congressional campaign was a victory for him politically, as it landed him on television's popular Dick Cavett Show, where he came to the attention of some of the central organizers of the antiwar/pro-Hanoi group known as Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

VVAW was a numerically small part of the protest movement, but it was extremely influential through skillful political theater, the novelty of uniformed combat veterans joining the Vietniks, and a ruthless coalition-building strategy that forged partnerships with the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), its Trotskyite rival, the Socialist Workers Party, and a broad front that ranged from pacifists to supporters of the Black Panthers and other domestic terrorist groups.

Kerry signed on as a full-time organizer and member of the VVAW's six-member executive committee. By early 1971 he had become one of the antiwar movement's principal figureheads, lending a moderate face to a movement that championed, and was championed by, imprisoned murder conspirator Angela Davis and actress Jane Fonda.

The young former and future political candidate acted as one of the main leaders of a massive, five-day April protest in Washington and other cities. Kerry's partner, Jan Crumb, read a list of 15 demands. According to the CPUSA paper Daily World, the VVAW demands were, "Immediate, unilateral, unconditional withdrawal of all U.S. armed forces and Central Intelligence Agency personnel from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand," plus "full amnesty" to all "war resisters" and draft dodgers, and "withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Latin America, Africa, Asia and elsewhere in the world."

Kerry was the star of the political theater that historic week, angry that the law forbade political protests at veterans' graves in Arlington National Cemetery and angrier that President Richard Nixon enforced the law and that the Supreme Court upheld it. He led an illegal encampment of veterans and people who dressed as veterans on the Mall in downtown Washington and used the services of Ramsey Clark - a former Johnson administration attorney general who by that time openly was supporting the enemy in Hanoi - to fight a federal order to disperse. According to the Daily World, which published a page-one photo of Kerry passing Clark a note during the march, the protesters converged on the White House chanting, "One, Two, Three, Four - We Don't Want Your F- - - - - - War."

Kerry's establishment model was working where the home-baked revolutionaries were failing. The activist bumped into William Fulbright, then chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, at a party and landed himself in the spotlight as a witness in a hearing held the last day of the weeklong march. There, he made his infamous exaggerated and untruthful allegations that his fellow servicemen, not merely the commanders, deliberately were committing widespread atrocities against innocent Vietnamese civilians (see sidebar, p. 26). Afterward, he joined a dramatic political-theater display at the Capitol steps, where hundreds of vets took a microphone and, one by one, stated their name, identified their combat medals and flung them over a police fence on the steps. Kerry renounced his Bronze Star, his Silver Star and his three Purple Hearts. (Later, as a politician, he would give ever-changing versions of the story.)

He seemed to want it both ways in the protest movement. While claiming to "hate" the communists, he decried any attempt to marginalize them within the movement. Once, when questioned about his political alliance with supporters of the enemy, Kerry said that any attempts to push out Hanoi supporters might result "in seriously dividing and weakening the movement, and making it less effective."

That didn't sit well with some VVAW members beyond the Washington Beltway. Back in Massachusetts, VVAW state coordinator Walker "Monty" Montgomery, a Tennessee native, publicly differed with Kerry. The Boston Herald-Traveler reported that Montgomery "was considerably more candid than Kerry about the problems posed by revolutionary communists inside an antiwar organization."

"You can quote me," said Montgomery, "as one who believes that the revolutionary communists in our organization are detrimental to the organization."

Kerry had trouble discerning the line between legitimate dissent and collaboration with the enemy. In the summer of 1971, he spoke at a VVAW news conference in Washington, assailing President Nixon for not accepting an enemy propaganda initiative - a Viet Cong statement in Paris that Hanoi would guarantee the release of American prisoners of war once the last U.S. troops left Vietnam. Featuring a photo of Kerry in the July 24 Daily World, the CPUSA said Kerry "asked President Nixon to accept [a] seven-point peace proposal of Vietnamese patriots."

Kerry traveled the country that fall, trying to breathe new life into a sagging college antiwar movement. The protest spirit was coming alive, he said. "It isn't withering," he told a reporter at Fort Hays State University in Kansas. "The feeling is there. I do seriously believe there's beginning to be a turning away from the tear-it-down mentality. The movement is turning toward electoral politics again."

Covering his antiwar campaign, the National Observer reported at the time, "He wants the Vietnam Veterans [Against the War] to move quickly and strongly into grass-roots electoral politics." He sought to organize like-minded veterans to become delegates at the upcoming 1972 presidential conventions. "Though the veterans are, for the record, nonpartisan," the Observer said, "what this really means is whether the [George] McGovern Commission reforms for the Democratic Convention are implemented and enforced. Most antiwar veterans laugh at the idea of getting anything started in the Republican Convention."

Yet for all his want of the spotlight, Kerry avoided public debates with other veterans. On seven occasions, by July 1971, he had refused to allow other veterans to challenge him publicly on television, even when CBS and NBC offered to host formal debates. He relented only when Dick Cavett, who had made him a national figure not long before, agreed to terms Kerry found advantageous. Even then, with Kerry holding all the advantages, Boston Globe political columnist David Nyhan observed, his "scrappy little" opponent, John O'Neill, "was all over Kerry like a terrier, keeping the star of the Foreign Relations Committee hearings ... off balance."

Kerry couldn't hope to take over the political establishment without the political organization skills, mobilization abilities and support networks of those radical groups that supported the enemy against U.S. troops. He needed to latch on to those in the establishment who funded them.

The New York Times reported on a millionaire's gathering in East Hampton, Long Island, in August 1971. Many of the attendees had participated in "fund-raising affairs for the Black Panthers" and other extremist causes. With fellow VVAW leader Al Hubbard, Kerry sought a less radical position, but he showed parts of a full-length film containing testimony of 125 alleged veterans who said they had witnessed U.S. atrocities in Vietnam, "before a request for funds sent everyone scrambling for pens and checkbooks."

As with Kerry's Senate testimony, which contained wild and unsubstantiated allegations of deliberate U.S. atrocities throughout the ranks, many of them disproved, the mission outweighed the truth. His VVAW sidekick Hubbard identified himself as an Air Force captain, a pilot, when in reality he was an ex-sergeant who had never served in Vietnam. Kerry was content to stand by VVAW's claims that it had 12,000 members in 1971. Massachusetts VVAW coordinator Montgomery was more open about the figures. He said that only 50 to 75 members in the entire state were really active and that the official statewide membership of 1,500 Vietnam vets was just a "paper membership."

The angry young veteran's political ambition shone through his public earnestness. The 1970 congressional race that had propelled him into national politics also undercut his credibility, exacerbated by his drive to run for office again. Many saw him as exploiting the war for political gain. "Angry wives of American prisoners of war [POWs] lashed out yesterday at peace advocate John Kerry of Waltham, Mass., accusing him of using the POW issue as a springboard to political office," the Associated Press (AP) reported on July 22, 1971. "One of the women accused Kerry of 'constantly using their own suffering and grief' for purely political reasons."

Patricia Hardy of Los Angeles, whose husband had been killed in 1967, told reporters, "I think he couldn't care less about these men or these families." Cathi and Janice Ray, whose stepbrother was a POW, accompanied her. (Official records show that only one U.S. serviceman named Hardy was killed in the war, Marine Lance Cpl. Frank Earle Hardy, whose platoon was ambushed in Quang Tri on May 29, 1967. His name appears on panel 21E, row D14, of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington.)

The wife of Air Force Col. Arthur Mearns, a pilot missing since he was shot down in 1966, protested Kerry with them. Her husband later was declared killed in action. His name appears on panel 12E, row 055, of the wall.

"Mr. Kerry, when asked if he planned to run again for political office, said only that he was committed to political change and that he would use whatever forum seemed best at the time," according to AP. "He did not rule out mounting another political campaign." At the time, "I was totally consumed with the notion of going to Congress," Kerry later told the Washington Post. AP hinted that Kerry already held presidential ambitions. A Boston newspaper agreed: "The gentle cloak of idealism and dignity which Kerry had worn during his televised testimony in Washington now appeared to be stitched together with threads of personal ambition and political expediency. Was this to be the payoff for one of the finest and most moving chapters of the counterculture antiwar movement? Just another slick Ivy League phrasemaker ego-freak political hustler with a hunger to see his name on campaign posters and his face on national television?"

By 1972, Massachusetts' third congressional seat was firmly held by radical Robert Drinan. Kerry, now 28, left Waltham and bought a house in Worcester, anticipating a run for Congress from the 4th District. But when President Nixon picked the congressman representing the 5th District for an ambassador's post, Kerry leased out his house and moved to the dying old mill city of Lowell to run for the soon-to-be-vacated seat there. The Boston Phoenix, an alternative newspaper whose reporter traveled with Kerry on the 1972 campaign, profiled the candidate in a story headlined, "Cruising with a Carpetbagger."

"Kerry, media superstar, suddenly found himself having to deny that he had political plans lest he be accused of ripping off the veterans by using them as a bow for the arrow of his ambition," the Phoenix reported. "John Kerry is burning with desire to be a congressman, but he has to keep paying off that loan from the Vietnam Veterans [VVAW] by seeming to be cool and indifferent to personal gain, and this underlying dilemma produces an uncomfortable tension around him."

The candidate had trouble balancing himself between Kerry the patriot and Kerry the minion of Hanoi's agitprop apparatus. He tried to distance himself from his brand-new book, The New Soldier. According to a major newspaper in the district, the Lowell Sun, the book cover "carried a picture of three or four bearded youths of the hippie type carrying the American flag in a photo resembling remarkably the immortal photo by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal of U.S. Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima after its capture from the Japanese during World War II. The big difference between the two pictures, however, is that the photo on John Kerry's book shows the flag being carried upside down in a gesture of contempt."

The book was hard to come by at the time, according to the newspaper, but a rival in the Democratic primary found one in Greenwich Village and tried to publish the cover as an advertisement in the Sun. Kerry tried to cover it up. "Things began to get hot as the old pressure went on to prevent publication of the advertisement showing the cover of the book," the Sun's editors wrote on Oct. 18, 1972. "Permission from the publisher of the book, Macmillan Co. of New York, to reproduce the cover, granted by Macmillan in a telegram on the day publication of the ad was scheduled, was quickly withdrawn hours later by Macmillan with the explanation that the approval of the author, John Kerry, would be required before the cover could be reproduced in a political advertisement. So that killed the ad."

Kerry said it wasn't he who blocked publication. According to the Sun, "Subsequently, efforts were made to obtain Mr. Kerry's okay to reproduce the famous book cover, but Mr. Kerry now says he doesn't have the right to give this permission because the copyright on the book cover belongs to a coeditor of the book, one George Butler." The Sun couldn't locate Butler.

When the book had come out the year before, Macmillan sent a review copy to Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), requesting an endorsement. Byrd wrote back, "I say most respectfully to you, I threw it in the wastebasket after leafing through it."

Having lost the primary in humiliation - his brother had been caught trying to wiretap an opponent's office - Kerry went to Boston College Law School. Later, he was appointed assistant district attorney, then was elected lieutenant governor under Mike Dukakis in 1982. Two years later, he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway.

Kerry's campaign only stirred up long-smoldering embers from the war. Retired Maj. Gen. George S. Patton III, who had commanded combat troops in Vietnam, said that, medals or no medals, by the nature of his wartime protests Kerry gave "aid and comfort to the enemy" in the style of Ramsey Clark and Jane Fonda. "Mr. Kerry probably caused some of my guys to get killed," Patton said, even as he self-deprecatingly acknowledged shortcomings of his own as a commander. "And I don't like that. There is no soap ever invented that can wash that blood off his hands."

Responding to controversy over his remarks, Patton wrote in the Worcester Evening Gazette, "The dissent against our efforts in that unhappy war, as exemplified by Mr. Kerry, and of course others, made the soldier's duties even more difficult. ... These incidents caused our opponent, already highly motivated, to fight harder against us and our Vietnamese allies. Hence the comment made by me which included the provision of 'aid and comfort to the enemy' by Mr. Kerry."

Under relentless attack from the pro-Kerry Boston press, Patton received strong veteran support. Robert Hagopian, past commander of the Massachusetts division of the Disabled American Veterans, spoke for many about the general's views, telling reporters, "I agree with everything he said."

The Lowell Sun ran a cartoon of Kerry trying fruitlessly to wash his blood-covered hands. An accompanying editorial said, "During his antiwar years, John Kerry was about the closest thing to a male Jane Fonda in the U.S. anybody could find - and Ms. Fonda came as close to treason to her country as anybody ever could without being convicted of it."

To no avail. Massachusetts voters elected Kerry that year to join Ted Kennedy in the United States Senate.

issue? (5, Insightful)

cft (715198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491498)

how is this even an issue? the law clearly states that they must hold the goods for a certain amount of time (10 days
if I'm not mistaken before they're given away. The article says she went to the store after two days and they had already
sold her playstation. They clearly violated law and should be reported to the authorities, not the manager as she did.

Re:issue? (5, Insightful)

bloodrose (87474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491545)

Sometimes calling the police isn't feasible. On many things, such as small claims like this, the police will require some level of proof before they move on it. In some cases, gathering a minor amount of proof and taking EB to small claims court would be a better route. At least, it seems that way to me.

Re:issue? (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491557)

But in this case, the police should already have enough proof. There's a confession from the thief, and a matching transaction that fits the description on EB's records too.

Re:issue? (4, Interesting)

bloodrose (87474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491590)

True enough, but at that point, it isnt the police's job to strong arm EB into providing restitution. That burden lies in the arms of the courts.

Re:issue? (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491627)

Actually, a court is only supposed to resolve disuptes into who owns an item. Once a court certifies that this woman owns what she says she owns, it then falls back onto the police to do the strongarming.

Re:issue? (4, Interesting)

Mistlefoot (636417) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491753)

I wonder what would have happened if she had just simply "taken" them back.

It would be hard to charge her with stealing stuff that she already owned.

I'm sure someone here must know some law on this.

Re:issue? (2, Insightful)

midol (752608) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491548)

Has she gone to the police and charged the store with possession of stolen goods? That should light a little fire under them. Especially if they have already been flagrantly flouting the law.

Re:issue? (2, Informative)

Passman (6129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491704)

Has she gone to the police and charged the store with possession of stolen goods?

While I am not an expert on Florida law in most states of the USA you can't. Why not? Because pawn brokers, which EB would likely claim they are, are exempt from fensing laws (i.e. recieving stolen property) in most states unless they actually know the property is stolen. Several states even exempt pawn brokers in situations where they reasonably should suspect the materials are stolen (the homeless person selling the diamond necklace type situation).

Don't ask me why this is because I don't know. All I can speculate is that sometime in the recent past pawnbrokers performed some really good lobbying efforts.

Re:issue? (5, Interesting)

metlin (258108) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491603)

Looks like you have not read the article in full, its 15 days actually :-)

From the article -

Under state law, all merchants who deal in secondhand goods are required to hold those goods for 15 calendar days before selling them. The law is designed specifically to prevent the sale of stolen goods, and prevent situations like this.

Well, you cannot blame her for not reporting it to the authorities - usually you end up going to the authorities only as a last resort. You try and solve problems as best as you can before that with the company and if that does not work out, you see restitution.

But now that its out in the open, it may turn quite interesting.

Re:issue? (4, Funny)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491724)

"I was under the impression that purchasers of stolen merchandise could expect it to be seized by the police (who would return it to the owner) and not recover any of the money they spent buying it unless they took action against the thief. Is that not the case in Florida?"

They voted on it and are in the middle of their third recount...

Don't forget the other piece. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491742)

From the article:

"He said that he went in there and took it. He was hard up for money for his rent," Wayne Welsh said. "He took them to EB Games in Gulfview Square Mall and sold them...he said that's where they don't do a check and he can sell them without worrying about the police finding out he stole them."

This isn't a random occurrence. He already knew where to go to sell them without any checks.

That indicates that this store has a history of such deals. It seems that the cops should be doing a lot of digging into that store's previous dealings.

EB isn't exempt from state laws... (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491507)

It seems like EB's operations in Florida are illegal because under state law they have to hold any used good they buy for 15 days specifically to allow for any such claim of theft to be made. EB clearly sold some of the goods before that time, so they're in trouble.

So, now, the only question is why it's a local TV station pointing this out instead of the local police? EB's used goods operation isn't complying with state law. That's the bigger problem...

Re:EB isn't exempt from state laws... (4, Insightful)

screwballicus (313964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491619)

And so they maintain that their profiting from the illegal sale of stolen goods should be upheld.

I assume there is some applicable hefty fine for their infringing on state law. Their not offering the customer the small amount of money she is owed as a result of their infraction is just mind-boggling.

I have to think this is not an "evil corporation" issue. Evil corporations are perfectly happy to pay small amounts of money to uphold an image of benevolence. I think this is more likely an "incredibly stupid store manager" issue.

Re:EB isn't exempt from state laws... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491693)

EB is not a corporation. It is a sole proprietorship. Please do better research next time. Thank you.

Re:EB isn't exempt from state laws... (5, Interesting)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491674)

I think the reason for the hard line from EB is that they know theft is a HUGE part of their business. Think about what easy money this is, no messy stock, shipping, delays, restocking, just profit and NO LIABILITY.

We don't have any EB stores where I live, but we have KB's and Game Stop, both of which sell used games, and I have to tell you their prices are horrible. Both places price games 5$ under retail. I can't imagine not paying the extra 5$ to get a new copy.

Re:EB isn't exempt from state laws... (3, Insightful)

CrazyLion (424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491705)

EB used products business deserves serious scrutiny. In my area all EB stores stock comprehensive selection of bootleg DVDs. Moreover, employees are very much aware of the fact that DVDs they sell are bootlegs.

Call the police! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491508)

The article mentions her writing letters and going to the store, but never mentions police. If you believe a merchant has stolen goods, call the cops!

Re:Call the police! (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491533)

The police already should have known where to go to find here stolen goods, they just have to read the thief's own confession...

EB retarded ? Vote here (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491510)

YES

Re:EB retarded ? Vote here (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491539)

Yes, but: did you SEE the photo in the article? She needs to get off the couch and start exercising, instead of playing games. What a lazy lump.

Florida (-1, Offtopic)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491513)

Is that not the case in Florida?"

Dunno, but Florida is known for their dimpled chads!

Re:Florida (-1, Troll)

WwWonka (545303) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491581)

Dunno, but Florida is known for their dimpled chads!

...and New Jersey is known for their potfaced Franks.

Dealing in stolen goods? (4, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491514)

Wouldn't this make EB themselves liable to prosecution for knowingly dealing in stolen goods? They don't seem to be denying that the goods are stolen from the bit about seeking restitution from the thief, which is pretty much an admission of guilt if that is the case. Anyone know for sure?

Its illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491532)

It seems like EB's operations in Florida are illegal because under state law they have to hold any used good they buy for 15 days specifically to allow for any such claim of theft to be made. EB clearly sold some of the goods before that time, so they're in trouble.

Re:Dealing in stolen goods? (1)

bloodrose (87474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491563)

That statement itself seems more like a brush off than an admission of guilt. That EB location seems to be saying, well if you really believe this was your stollen property, prove it, and catch the theif yourself kind of thing.

Re:Dealing in stolen goods? (2, Informative)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491608)

Proceeds of a crime is a crime itself in the US and Canada.

Re:Relevant laws (3, Interesting)

sam1am (753369) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491718)

The relevant laws seem to be Chapter 538 [flsenate.gov] of the Florida Statutes.. (they're actually sort of an interesting read.
(2)When the lawful owner recovers stolen property from a secondhand dealer and the person who sold or pledged the stolen property to the secondhand dealer is convicted of theft, a violation of this section, or dealing in stolen property, the court shall order the defendant to make restitution to the secondhand dealer pursuant to s. 775.089.

- Being that the guy who stole the stuff confessed to the cops, it seems he would have to make restitution to EB.

It doesn't really seem to address the issue of what happens when the stuff is already sold and no longer in posession of the dealer. But it does provide a fill-in-the-blank petition for return of property if the dealer won't return it to you...

Michelle Doganis should find a lawyer (and IANAL, but I play can one on slashdot)

That's why I don't shop there. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491519)

I buy all my games from Suprnova.org now. Far better prices too.

Well, (5, Funny)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491522)

time to go hock my neighbor's jewelry at EB!

YOUR FATHER EJACULATED INSIDE YOUR MOTHER'S PUSSY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491523)

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Fact: *BSD is dying

New US Legal System Vulnerability (-1, Troll)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491529)

what the fuck is going on over there???
seems like all the good guys are sleeping there

Company policy law? (0)

CarrionBird (589738) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491537)

Seems to be the case nowadays. Feh.

The law (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491538)

Is that not the case in Florida?

Only if you're related to someone with the last name "Bush"

The hell..? (5, Insightful)

Lewis Daggart (539805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491540)

So they buy stolen goods without checking. They dont hold it forthe required 15 days. They then refuse to reimburse the person for the goods they illegally sold. They refuse to return the goods (without pay) that they unknowingly receaved through illegal channels. I was under the impression that in a case like this, EB should be returning the goods and seeking restitution from the thief, while the person who's property was stolen gets their goods back from EB. Of course, I'm no lawyer, but that's only common sense.

Re:The hell..? (3, Insightful)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491591)

The sad fact is that common sense and the law have not recognized each other in 50 years. If common sense is not dead in this country, it is barely sustained by life support. This is related to the legal system and justice wich have very little in common anymore. I don't think they are on speaking terms.

EB is wrong in this case twice and will suffer a customer backlash, if it gets the publicity it deserves. The only thing that gets a corporations attention anymore is a big hit in the wallet.

I have only one thing to say... (0, Funny)

ChaosMog (758506) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491541)

In Soviet Russia, stolen goods sell YOU!

Well, EB broke at least one law (5, Insightful)

Raleel (30913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491542)

as stated in the article, they didn't hold them for 15 days, specifically designed for preventing this sort of thing.

But isn't there a law on the books about buying stolen goods? I always thought that that was a crime as well.

EB is obviously not looking at the big picture here. They want to recoup the cost of the stuff that they bought. However, a good response here (like giving her her stuff and sucking the loss), is going to win a good customer (this store did the right thing, that's why I purchase from them).

Re:Well, EB broke at least one law (2, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491576)

Yep... the $200 or so profit they made in this transaction is defintely not worth being broadcast on a local TV news "Hall of Shame" segment.

Re:Well, EB broke at least one law (2, Insightful)

njcoder (657816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491735)

Ther'es probably a reason why EB doesn't return the goods. Doing so acknowledges that what they did was wrong. They also set a precedent for how they react to this sort of thing, so that if this sort of thing happens (has happened) to another person they would be obliged to retun the money to the other people as well. Not a legal precedent but it does have bearing.

So, lets consider this. The thief knew he could take it to EB and not worry about it. What Florida should be concerned about is not only getting back this woman's property/compensating for illegaly sold property, but also looking into other similar cases. My bet is that either EB is concerned there might be many more, or already knows there are more based on their reaction in this case... why they're not doing the right thing.

Gee, what a surprise. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491552)

EB has only be stealing from customers figuratively with selling games they pay $20 (in credit, mind you) for back to $47.99. $2 off used instead of new for a $50. Wow, how thoughtful.

Of course, that's provided that you buy new and your "new" game isn't simply a re-shrinked used game being sold as new.

Next up on the list of EB crimes against consumers will be punching you in the face after each purchase, followed by stealing back what you just bought.

Re:Gee, what a surprise. (1)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491675)

Well, that's one way to look at it. I see it as a no-hassle way of getting rid of games I've already completed, and get something back for it.

EB should be criminally charged (5, Insightful)

dartmouth05 (540493) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491568)

EB should be criminally charged for dealing in stolen goods. By violating that 15 day law and by refusing to turn over the stolen goods, EB is no longer acting as a retail store--they are acting as a fence.

Regardless of whether or not EB knew the goods were stolen when they purchased them from the thief, they did not not take reasonable precautions to ensure that they weren't stolen, such as follow the 15 day law.

EB's actions were simply reprehensible, and I, for one, will no longer deal with them.

pawn shops (4, Interesting)

pneuma_66 (1830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491572)

I am pretty sure, that all pawn shops can only buy items, from someone with an id, and they then, must log that. Isn't ebgames essentially a pawn shop in that respect, since they buy items from the general public?

Re:pawn shops (5, Interesting)

Lewis Daggart (539805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491589)

All the EB's I've been to log the ID of the person, just in case something like this happens. It's possible that this store did not (which would be why the thief thought they would be a safe place)... but that in itself is illegal from what I understand. Sadly, it doesnt matter if they DID log the ID. We already know who the thief was.. EB sinply doesn't care.

Re:pawn shops (3, Informative)

bloodrose (87474) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491649)

I've seen quite the opposite here. Most used stores that I have sold games and such to, you walk in, hand them a game, and either take your store credit or cash without ever taking your id out of your wallet. No of course there are the exceptions: Game Stop did require me to show my id to show that I was over the age of 18, but as far as I remember they never logged a piece of information from it.

Re:pawn shops (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491596)

The difference between a pawn shop and this type of operation is that the person who brings the item in doesn't have the option to buy their item back at any price less than the price it goes on sale to the general public.

However, beyond that, used property sellers do have to comply with many of the same regulations designed to make it harder to sell stolen property. It appears EB is not following at least one of them in this case.

Similar experience on the reseller side of things (5, Interesting)

almaon (252555) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491579)

I work a local Apple retailer, we deal with new and used equipment.

We've had a few break-ins in the past, the owner of our store tried contacting pawn shops in town to ask them to keep an eye out for iBooks/PowerBooks that might show up soon cause of the break-in. What is truely pathetic is that the pawn brokers just hung up as soon as they heard anything about stolen goods. They didn't want to be involved in the slightest. That really made me mad that people out there are allowed to run such a shady business. But that's America for ya, thanks Martha Stewart...

As I mentioned earlier, we deal in used equipment as well. We're able to track S/N through Apple's service site, so we often catch a lot of stolen equipment. If the names don't match up for example, obvious red flag. Other times it just seems like some scam is taking place, especially when the kids that steal these things don't know how to turn em on, what the product name is, don't know the password or username, etc. So we play along with them, claim we just need to take it in back for a few minutes to 'test it out', run the serial number, call the cops and see if it's been reported, if so we have the police come pick them up and return the product to the customer (another reason not to buy mail-order, sometimes the local guys are looking out for you more ways than one).

But even phoning the police on these matters is rediculous, in our city, you have to talk to about 10 different people, none one at the station seems to care. Which is frustrating, they have an attitude that it's not worth getting off their butts to check for a serial number. And yet, every one we've phoned in was reported and was finally returned.

I wish local police would have a website to allow you to look up serial numbers of reported stolen goods, it'd make reselling and buying for the customer a lot safer and ethical. Although I'm sure it's more a legal problem to pull that task off, but still... I can dream of a perfect world still?

I hope they sue EB for this, it's truely bad business.

Re:Similar experience on the reseller side of thin (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491657)

Pawn shop owners don't want to hear about possible stolen goods because that can only get them in trouble, they'd rather deal with a stolen good without knowing that it is stolen than do the right thing of turning it in.

There's no punishment for them if they don't realize that its stolen property... so they really want to follow a don't ask, don't tell policy.

Re:Similar experience on the reseller side of thin (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491680)

You'd think stealing a MAC would be it's own punishment for the crime.

Better than sue, BOYCOTT (3, Interesting)

bangular (736791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491684)

In America, big business always wins in the court. As much as it sucks, even if the consumer is 100% right, it's rare a consumer can afford to even take a case to court, let alone pay for a lawyer good enough to win. Sure, we hear about a few cases, but there are thousands we don't hear about.

More effective is a boycott. If EB is going to treat their customers like shit, then we can treat EB like shit. If coperate hq knows about it and the police have been involved and can verify it's her goods, then a boycott is in place. If it were just the one store acting on it's own idiocy that would be bad enough, but HQ made the final decision not to pay her back. That is definatly grounds for a nationwide EB boycott.

Re:Better than sue, BOYCOTT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491719)

For me to boycott EB over this would mean that I actually gave a damn about some girl and her stolen PS. Since I don't, I won't. I will continue to buy fine video games and video game accessories at my local Electronics Boutique. Thank you and have a good day.

Re:Better than sue, BOYCOTT (3, Insightful)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491734)

Isn't this what small claims court is for? Seems open and shut enough to me. Not much sense for a business to pursue it further than that, given that a few hunderd bucks in lawyers' fees are easily spent.

Of course, after getting your money back in small claims court, set the cops loose on em for fencing.

Re:Better than sue, BOYCOTT (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491738)

In America, big business always wins in the court

What kind of crack are you smoking?

Tobacco lawsuits is the first one that comes to my mind. What about the idiot who won a lawsuit against McDonalds when she poured her own coffee on her crotch?

Not sure about Florida (3, Interesting)

SyKOStarchild (576577) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491580)

Though, however I have been in an EB in the state that I live in, where I've seen a guy walk in with a copy of a game I was after - I turned and asked the EB guys if I could pick it up right then and there, and I walked out with the copy of the game. EB isn't a pawn shop, I don't believe it is EB's policy to hold games for a certain amount of days before they can resell them.

Re:Not sure about Florida (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491683)

I don't believe it is EB's policy to hold games for a certain amount of days before they can resell them.

I see, they've chosen to opt out of that law. Do they have a policy on whether they're allowed to keep slaves too?

Florida is a land of crooks and idiots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491586)

I was under the impression that purchasers of stolen merchandise could expect it to be seized by the police (who would return it to the owner) and not recover any of the money they spent buying it unless they took action against the thief. Is that not the case in Florida?

No, Florida is a land of crooks and idiots, as the 2000 election of Bush clearly showed.

Re:Florida is a land of crooks and idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491602)

yeah, I guess all the "crooks" are those who legally voted for Bush and didn't vote for Gore like they were supposed to.

Florida Law (1)

craXORjack (726120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491599)

I was under the impression that purchasers of stolen merchandise could expect it to be seized by the police (who would return it to the owner) and not recover any of the money they spent buying it unless they took action against the thief. Is that not the case in Florida?"

Unless Florida is ass-backward from the rest of the Union then you are correct. Making the purchaser of the stolen merchandise sue the thief to recover his money gives financial impetus to dealing only with reputable vendors. That is the very purpose of the law. I think EB needs to send the manager that gave their statement for a little retraining.

Me too! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491606)

My mountain bike was stolen out of my garage, and it didn't turn up after we filed a police report... so I spent $500 on a new bike. Then, it turned out that "Pawn X Change" had my original bike for sale. They are required to report all serial numbers to Seattle Police Dept, but when they reported the number on my bike, the "accidentally" misread it to the police.

A police investigator doing a random pawn shop round recognized the bike based on the description on the police report. We went to the Pawn X Change and got it back, and told then how disgusted we were that they would intentinally transpose the serial number. About 6 months later, my friends and I made good use of a "5-dozen value pak" of eggs.... Oh, the feeling of satisfaction was superb!

ah, the power of money (1)

psi42 (747491) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491616)

Well, what can you expect. EB games has the money, EB games has the lawyers. If someone wants their $400 worth of games back, they can go pay a lot more in legal fees to get the lawyers with they money they don't have.

It's this "and what are you going to do about it" attitude that has put big business above ethics. Go figure.

Re:ah, the power of money (1)

Lewis Daggart (539805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491624)

Fortunately, the bigger the business, the more a slashdot article like this can screw them up when they step out of line. I know that I for one am not planning on shopping with them any more.

Re:ah, the power of money (1)

jathos (170499) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491650)

Ditto here -- never buying from them again. This kind of attitude is disgraceful.

ah, the power of money-Audiance participation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491723)

"Well, what can you expect. EB games has the money, EB games has the lawyers. If someone wants their $400 worth of games back, they can go pay a lot more in legal fees to get the lawyers with they money they don't have."

You may not be aware of this, but there are lawyers that will take legal action on your behalf, for a percentage of the payout.

There's also small-claims court ($400 should fall within it's bounds).

The law isn't as hopeless as people make it out to be. But much like the political process. If you don't play, you have no room to complain when things don't go your way.

Sue them for 5 times the trouble they have caused (1)

CrypticSpawn (719164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491625)

LOL, EB said this after they found out it was stolen, "... They will sell it back to her for what they paid the thief. As for the Playstation, she's simply out of luck." They violated state law, and they want her to take the amount they bought the stuff for. she has a very good case for getting a hell of alot more in court, because of it. Never liked Eletronic Boutique anyway.

Re:Sue them for 5 times the trouble they have caus (1)

KimJ721 (732612) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491654)

If I read the article correctly, they actually charged her MORE than what they paid the thief. The idea of charging someone for returning their stolen goods is just unbelievable to me. Why doesn't EB file a lawsuit against the thief to recoup THEIR losses?

Reselling of games and video equipment (1)

Hibikitour (757068) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491629)

I have seen many instances where pawn shops and used game store like EB and GS all sell merchandise the same day. A local pawn shop owner claimed that games were harder to track down without names on them so the police here didn't even bother. If the police hadn't done anything after being contacted that is ridiculous. I stopped buying games off of eBay because of bad product from sellers but at least eBay has some buyers insurance. Yet another reason to dislike EB.

Any state should do (2, Informative)

maxarturo (71956) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491630)

I recently sold my laptop on eBay and after a few weeks PayPal contacted me to tell me that the money was stolen and that I had to return the money in full but there was no way to get my laptop back because I (stupidly) sold it to someone who was unverified. Now I imagine that the EB didn't verify their seller either and I can sympathize with them getting screwed but they really should just return the money like I had to.

Seems like a good scam for EB (3, Insightful)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491635)

The theif admitted that he went to EB because they don't do any check on the goods and don't ask questions, In my estimation this amounts to a fencing operation posing as a reputable business. I hope the local law enforcement stings them.

Where else? (2, Funny)

boola-boola (586978) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491637)

It's Florida... Remember the 2000 election? "Home of the chads!" What more can I say? ...only in Florida ;)

I for one will be boycotting EB Games until she gets her money back. Their games are overpriced anyways, and usually a lot cheaper at Best Buy, where they don't make a profit on consumer media (they are a staple product used to lure the customers in to buy things like computers and washing machines)

Re:Where else? (0)

dominyx (691595) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491731)

You listen. On this ship, you're to refer to me as 'idiot', not 'you Floridian'.

If she's reading.. (2, Interesting)

Bruha (412869) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491639)

If the corporate HQ refused to give your money. Sue the shirts off their backs.. maybe then they'll learn to respect the law, and the victims of theft.

Re:If she's reading.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491740)

The cry of an American: SUE EVERYONE! How about instead of suing you shut your trap and learn that life isn't always fair?

Ownership of Stolen Goods (1, Redundant)

Detritus (11846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491643)

Everyone is assuming that EB now owns the goods in question. I would argue that the thief did not own the goods and any sale he may have made is legally invalid. EB should be required to immediately transfer all of the stolen items back to their rightful owner, without conditions or compensation. Let EB sue the thief to recover their losses.

Re:Ownership of Stolen Goods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491700)

Exactly. Actually I am surprised they would do this as they are basically admitting to selling stolen property.

Re:Ownership of Stolen Goods (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491701)

What's more, the people who bought the stolen goods from EB were victims of a fraudulent transaction as well. Even if EB thought they owned the goods at that point, they still hadn't sat out the required 15-day holding period so that was an illegal transaction as well.

Three Words (1)

chimericalburst (726539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491645)

Recieving Stolen Property (IANAL but i believe that a felony 2 or 3)

black and white (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491668)

Interesting. It really is pretty black and white. They even have a confession from the thief.

Conspiracy theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491670)

Could it be that this is a staged shakedown on EBGames so that this person's goods were "stolen" and sold so they could bring this issue into the spotlight?

Dum. Dum. Dum.

Illegality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491671)

Property ownership does not legally end at the unlawful removal of the property via theft. And as such, all future implied ownership transfers are on their face false. The original owner's claim is the only one accepted for the law.

The person involved is a fool for giving them the money.

This isn't suprising at all (5, Interesting)

Dragoon412 (648209) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491685)

This past holiday season, I was out of work, so I picked up a few hours at the local Gamestop (same company as EBgames), and after dealing with their store policies, I'm honestly suprised this doesn't happen more often.

The entire company is poorly run. They're still using an ancient, convoluted, DOS-based PoS system that appears to pre-date the existance of the company. District and regional managers play slash and burn with a store's allotment of employee hours, and then throw a fit and fire the store managers when secret shoppers complain that the one employee running the store by herself for 8 hours didn't manage to get through the daily 20-some box delivery from UPS. Orders for specific products are placed at a corporate level, not a store level, meaning that it's extremely common for stores to get in a glut of products they already have an excess of, or products they have no floor space for that won't sell anyways (like all their crappy collectibles, figurines, and trading cards). The store I worked at literally had Playstations and Xboxes and Gamecubes stacked up 6 to 8 feet in the employee bathroom for lack of anywhere else to put merchandise.

There's little to no emphasis placed on knowledge of games or gaming, and communication regarding the availability of new products to the store's emplyees is non-existant. Customer's are viewed as if they're some sort of problem, and treated with agreat deal of disrespect. They're routinely lied to and mislead, either out of contempt or ignorance. I've seen employees tell mom's shopping for their kids that Gameboy Advance games work in the old (circa 1990) model Gameboy, and employees routinely tag a Game Informer subscription on to a customer's order after the customer said he didn't want the subscription. I've personally been chewed out by a manager for talking a guy out of buying Halo (for the Xbox) for his kid's PS2. And of course, all this behavior is reinforced because the managers do it, too.

Gamestop/EB is a terrible chain. Seeing how they're run, I'm amazed they manage to stay in business. And seeing that they've ripped off a customer... well, that's a daily occurance.

Nope. (2, Informative)

stoneymonster (668767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491756)

Gamestop and eb games are different corporations.
Check their stock symbols.

-C

This just in... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491687)

My weiner is bigger than your's.

Electronics Boutique used to be a decent shop... (1)

linuxtelephony (141049) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491703)

EB used to be OK. I bought several applications and other software tools from there years ago. Then they started turning into a game store. Slowly more and more shelf space was devoted to games. Seems like a new console was a new reason to clear more even more space for games only. I stopped going in there about 5 years ago. I still wander through about every year just to see if it has changed -- NOPE.

And now things like this.. Hmm. You know, this is one time where I kind of hope a lawyer out to make a name for himself just reams this company. Especially if it is proven that she really contacted the corporate level and was totally ignored.

At the very least, that store needs an ENTIRE staff change.

I just canceled a order with them... (5, Interesting)

draziw (7737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491706)

For Battlefield: Vietnam - Their price was ~4 cents lower vs amazon. In the reason for canceling section I wrote that I didn't want to deal with a company that traffics in stolen goods and charges the victim to get their gear back.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0 00 1AO01Y/draziw

--
+1 for low user ID and love for SCO

Sorry, it Has to be done (0, Offtopic)

zentu (584197) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491722)

So I guess we figured out what step

3. ???

is.

Completely illegal. (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491737)

What EB did here was completly illegal. And I don't mean downloading Mp3s, running unlicensed software, smoing weed kind of illegal. People can and do go to jail for doing that.

Funny similar story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8491739)

One day, I go to work and one of my co-workers says "Somebody stole my bumper!" "What?" we asked. "Right off the back of my car in the parking lot!" Crazy we though. The next day, he comes in and says "I got my bumper back." "How?" we asked. "I went to the car part dealer down the street to see if they had any replacement parts, and it turns out, they got one just yesterday. They got MINE just yesterday!"

He ended up getting the police involved, and he got his bumper back for free.

EB should burn in hell. (5, Interesting)

rrace (606598) | more than 10 years ago | (#8491745)

EB has been ripping off people for quite some time. For example, recently a friend of my bought castlevania for the ps2 from one of the local eb games here, and despite the salesman pitch to sell it to him used he refused and bought it new, or so he thought. Turns out they pawned off a used copy of the game in a new box. How do they do that? It seems they lift the bottom portion of the case and stick the disc in while not having to remove that silver tag on the top portion that is suppose to indicate the game is new. When he opened the game there were scratches and fingerprints on the disc itself. I don't know if this is illegal but these kinds of underhand tactics won't gain them any sympathy from me, I hope someone takes them to court.
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