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257 comments

Heil Hitler (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508154)

I would appreciate it if some of the rest of you out there would share some stories or fantasies about the sweet little Asian girls. I have read some great ones in the past, and I will be so happy when I can share my own adventures about a trip to Thailand, or Fiji, or HK, etc.
To the law enforcement personnel reading all of this, the answer is no. I would never ever try anything w/ a child in this country, so don't waste all of our time trying to tempt me into it. When I finally do retire in a couple of years, I plan on retiring to a place like Fiji and having my beach house
full of little slave girls. Until that time, it all lives in my mind and out in the ether.

Re:Heil Hitler (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508204)

But what has The Fuhrer to do with this? Didn't he retire to Argentinia or something?

Re:Heil Hitler (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508216)

Yeah Yeah... it sure is offtopic where Hitler lives now or how to get a house full of hot Asian sex slave girls... keep discussing your important CDR-Label technology, you asexual geeks.

Cool !! (4, Insightful)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508161)

Cool idea...

Only downside it seems is that you cannot use normal CDs. You have to use CDs which can actually are designed to allow this 'burning' on the flipside...

Re:Cool !! (1)

tx_mgm (82188) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508177)

I hope this catches on and the special CDs/DVDs become prominent. I'd shell out the extra dime per disk for this, just as long as they have plans to keep producing them. This looks really badass!

Chicken or Egg situation (5, Insightful)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508272)

An with a number of things in the real world CR-Writers with LightScribe technology and the special CDs are obviously prone to the chicken or egg syndrome [wikipedia.org]

The special CDs won't become popular until the special CD Writers become common and the CD Writers won't become common until the special CDs become common enough...

Re:Cool !! (1, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508404)

I don't, I own a laptop and I plan to keep using a cheap pair of markers to obtain the bichromy this will not get me.

Re:Cool !! (5, Insightful)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508181)

I pretty much figured that would be the case. The data on a CD is stored very close to the label. If you have a CDR you don't mind wasting you could scratch part of the label and see that it goes straight to the plastic protective layer. I imagine the special CD's have an extra layer between the top and the data layer that does not exist on a normal CDR.

maybe the non-data layer is thicker (1)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508276)

or maybe the non-data layer (top layer) is a bit thicker or is actually made up of 2 (or more) layers of differeing materials ...

Re:Cool !! (5, Insightful)

superhoe (736800) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508242)

And this makes me wonder:

If the burners with this new technology are just $10 more expensive - and the media required to burn to the flipside is just a 'dime more expensive'.. Where's the added value to the sales?

My guess is that we end users are going to pay much more than just a dime xtra for those CD medias.. :(

Re:Cool !! (2, Insightful)

-Speade- (671817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508287)

Yep, really cool, I hope this will get popular and other drive manufacturers will not be stop by patents / legal stuff... or it might end up like that sony double-density (1.3GB) disk which doesnt seem to be too much used.. I own one for really long time and still I cannot lend any of these cds to any of my friends. (felt like we're heading to a world where cd burned with XXbrand-burner can be read only by XXbrand-drives) I really like that idea anyway.. Maybe we'll see soon some technology to cut shapes into cds... very interesting for cheese company advertising ;)

Re:Cool !! (4, Interesting)

Threni (635302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508300)

> Only downside it seems is that you cannot use normal CDs. You have to use CDs
> which can actually are designed to allow this 'burning' on the flipside...

Why don't they sell blank labels you can stick onto normal CDs and then etch them with a laser? Or is that too obvious?

piracy is fun (4, Funny)

hellmarch (721948) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508162)

maybe it can copy the do not copy label while you're copying the data

That Rocks (4, Funny)

paganizer (566360) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508166)

I actually read the article, and THAT ROCKS.
The porn applications alone are mind-boggling.

Re:That Rocks (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508266)

I actually read the article...

Alright buddy, do that again and we're gonna revoke yourt membership.

Re:That Rocks (4, Funny)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508344)

You can have porn on the CD, and porn *on* the CD.

Re:That Rocks (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508367)

The porn applications alone are mind-boggling.

Just imagine, 600+ megs of big bouncing titties with the flip side T@2d to look like a bumpy nipple. It's pure genius!

LK

Ha (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508169)

Linux fags left out in the cold again.

Other uses (5, Funny)

CleverNickedName (644160) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508172)

I'll bet it makes perfect toast too.

Is it more than cosmetic? (5, Interesting)

KiwiRed (598427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508176)

Have to wonder if this process will shorten the life of the cd the way adhesive labels are rumoured to do...

Re:Is it more than cosmetic? (2)

abionnnn (758579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508198)

IANAC (I am not a chemist ;)) but that would probably depend more on how they implemented the "layer of coating" on the flip side of the CD-R. Even if you don't make use of it, if it isn't designed right it may very well shorten the life of the CD. It sounds like a good idea though, since it would make life easier if you want to maintain a collection of data CDs.

Re:Is it more than cosmetic? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508264)

Um, this is basically the same as what we have now on the data side.

All they need to do is use a different dye that turns darker than the one on the bottom.

not glued on (4, Insightful)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508240)

the problem with regular CDRs is that if you bang them around enough the silver stuff (what the data is burned to) flakes off because it's not encased in the plastic. Those glue on labels help to weaken it. If you try to take a label off, chances are the data goes with it.

Presumably this new method has the label part manufactured on and not attached to the part of the CD the data is written to. Or it's a second layer that more painted on than glued on. However it's done, it's probably much more sound manufacturing than putting a sticker on a CD.

Ben

Re:not glued on (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508366)

the problem with regular CDRs is that if you bang them around enough the silver stuff (what the data is burned to) flakes off because it's not encased in the plastic.

What sort of cheap-ass CD-R's have you been buying? All the CD-R's and CD-RW's I've ever seen have the dye layer sandwiched between two polycarbonate discs and the top of the disc is printed (Either with a company logo or space to allow writing).

Wait..you didn't actually think that the paint layer on the top of the disk is the same as the dye layer inside the disk, did you? Ahahaha. Cute.

Use a computer? No thanks (4, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508180)

The real leap forward will occur when this is built into camcorders and other media recording devices. The whole idea behind connecting the camera to a computer just so you can save the data on a disc that won't be played on a computer anyway, not to mention printing labels for the disc, is crazy and redundant. Though it is a necessary stopgap until we get these technologies into the cameras, the computer is just another barrier to the development of user-created media.

Re:Use a computer? No thanks (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508194)

Yeah, because we all know video editing on a tiny little camcorder would be so easy and user friend. I can't wait to put a custom title on my movie, that'll be fun to type it.

But PC is the digital hub for our modern lifestyle (1)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508312)

Sincerely, Bill G

Seriously, though, it makes a lot of sense to store and manage all our digital media on one general purpose device (ergo, a computer). The usability isn't there today for all media; Tivo is currently a better option than any PC-based PVR. This will however change in time; it already has for music (computer+mp3 player vs cd/minidisc and a pile of media) and both Apple and MS are putting a lot of effort into usability in this area.

Compare how many computer CDRW drives have been sold against standalone components - it's not that the standalone option wasn't there, just that people went with the cheaper and more versatile option.

Good idea! (4, Interesting)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508182)

This is a great idea - granted, it takes special media (which sounds like it's just basically double-sided), but if it gets popular enough, it should be cheap and easy to find.

Although I like colour inkjet printable CDs/DVDs that the new epsons can produce at low cost, this is a great way to label something that doesn't need to be in colour with the associated ink costs, etc.

Wonder what the resolution of the printing is, and how long it takes...

Maybe the top side could be used for additional data storage as well if you don't need a label?

N.

Re:Good idea! (2, Interesting)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508210)

considering the scale of the regular data they write with the laser, one would assume that the resolution of the image possible would be well beyond something someone would reasonably use. I guess it's a matter of how restrictive they'll make the process, really.

10$ = Rs 500 approx (5, Interesting)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508183)

A CD Drive costs about Rs. 1200-1500 in India.

An increase of 10$ (=Rs. 500 approx) is a bit too steep. Obviously the good old felt-tip pen is much cheaper !!

But the basic idea/concept is very user friendly and cool. Wish they can make it a bit cheaper... :)

Re:10$ = Rs 500 approx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508265)

What about combo drives: DVD/CD-R/RW?
The increase would be not so steep.

DVDs still not popular in India (1)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508301)

DVDs are still not popular in India and they have a long way to go before they can come anywhere close to the popularity of CDs

Any new technology generally takes longer to sink into the Indian market because of the relatively higher entry level costs by Indian standards...

However once DVD Drives become popular maybe the costs will be a smaller % of the overall cost and therfore more affordable. However another question bothers me : Do CDs and DVDs have basically the same physical structure so that LightScribe technology can be used with DVDs too or are they different enough to not make this possible ??

Re:10$ = Rs 500 approx (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508289)

This applies to DVD writing drives, which are at least 3 times as expensive, and commonly 5 times more expensive still than a CDRW drive.

A 6 increase to not have to worry about my bad handwriting, my CD pens running out of ink, and for a cool effect would be worth paying.

I'm sure the cost will drop to negligable within a year anyway.

Re:10$ = Rs 500 approx (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508330)

Well, with the rate at which all our jobs here in the US are going over to your country, you shouldn't have to worry about the cost here soon.

India not so good at hardware (1)

varunrebel (596126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508356)

I believe that only a small % of software related jobs are being migrated to India, not a very big number.

Anyways the hardware technology scenario is an entirely different ballgame. And India is a small player in this field. Consequently new developments in hardware WILL be in general quite costly for Indians, at least in the near future...

This is old stuff (3, Insightful)

pieterh (196118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508186)

It's just thermal printing with another twist. The good news is that there are no ink cartridges to replace. The bad news is that the paper is _really_ expensive.

Tell you the truth (5, Insightful)

SyKOStarchild (576577) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508187)

As potentially useful as it would be to use one of these things for CD/DVD Labeling, I am awful fond of saving money and will continue just using a sharpie or an adhesive.

I don't need new tech and new burnable media to keep doing that.

Re:Tell you the truth (3, Insightful)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508290)

Absolutely. CDs are for listening to {or at any rate, perceiving stored content through some kind of electronic reading device with sensory stimulators}, not looking at. I'll stick with an indelible marker pen. As for DVDs, I don't ever write anything on them anyway; I just write on the card in the box, because -- at four quid a pop for DVD+RW media -- sooner rather than later, they're going to get recorded over.

In Soviet Russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508188)

... the disk burns you!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

professor seagull (677508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508191)

actually I have been to Soviet Russia, and this never happened

In capitalist England... (0, Troll)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508260)

...10k RPM UltraSCSI drive really does burn you. Ouch.

Small business use.... (5, Interesting)

MagicDude (727944) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508190)

This will help small software businesses lower their costs of production. My family has a business where we sell software, but where it's not practical for us to use mass production because we have to make 1000 copies minimum, since our market is so small. It's easier and cheaper for us to simply burn DVD's everytime an order comes in and print the labels ourselves, and then shrink wrap it. So this will be a real benefit to us and potentially other small business too.

Re:Small business use.... (3, Interesting)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508205)

I agree. I think many labels you print off with the "CD labelling software" tend to look rather amateur. I would definitely consider buying something like this if I wanted to showcase software I had written to friends or potential employers.

Re:Small business use.... (4, Funny)

notestein (445412) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508235)

A word of advice... Don't label the pirated software your "family" sells.

You will get caught.

novelty (1)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508192)

I don't know that I'd pay $5 or $10 more per 50 or 100 spindle for it though. I imagine you wouldn't necessarily use one for every burn either, though. Definitely got that novelty factor. The premium for the feature in the drive is very attractive. Hopefully it's well thought out and there's no chance of bleed-through while making the label to threaten the data. Although perhaps the regular reflective layer itself would be enough.

Prettier Coasters (1)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508193)

Well, at least if you make another coaster out of a CD you are trying to burn, You can at least pass it off as some new age art movement. Hell, get a spindle of these things, and you even have your coaster holder :-p.

burning images onto normal cdrs (2, Insightful)

slart42 (694765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508197)

if you look closely at a burned CDR, you will notice that there's a visible difference between written an non-written parts of the surface. In other words 0's look different then 1's. I always planned to write an app to take advantage of this in order to burn images to a disc surface (just normal CDRs, without burning any useful data to it, of course), but never got around to really investigate this thoroughly.

Re:burning images onto normal cdrs (5, Informative)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508252)

To do so requires special writing capability in the drive itself, you not only need to be able to control the regular user data, you also need to be able to control all the bits that get generated in addition to regular user data. All the bits that are involved with the error correction, etc. This is why you don't see Yamaha type 'tattoos' with just any old drive, because Yamaha so far is the only manufacturer that gave you that much control over the drive. Without such deep control, I don't know how easy it would be to get your desired image, considering you normally have control over much less than half of how many bits are actually contained on a CD. I vaguely recall doing the math one day to see how many raw bits are on a CD, and I think it adds up to around 2GB of raw data to store your 700MB of user data. Very vaguely. Figures may be off, but it is in that ridiculous ballpark. And I'm not in the mood to go digging through specs. Basically, 2048 bytes of your data first goes to 2352 bytes, maybe another step here, and then every 8 bits gets translated to 14 bits encoded on the disc. Even just the 2048->2352 and 8->14 steps gives you almost 1407MB raw data for 700MB of user data.

Re:burning images onto normal cdrs (5, Informative)

smellystudent (663516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508405)

The reason for the 8 -> 14 bit encoding is to make sure that long runs of 0's do not exist. If they did, the laser would be unable to follow the track accurately.

Re:burning images onto normal cdrs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508358)

Is this a troll?

I had no idea that a CDR that is 50% written is 50% 'zero' and 50% 'one' !!!

The reason you can see the difference is 50% of the disk has been burnt. If you can see the difference between the real unburnt disk and burnt disk within the burnt area you have better eyes than me!

its brilliant (5, Insightful)

katalyst (618126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508203)

because they are giving a new lease of life to an already saturated market; i'm happy with my 32x burner and would not have thought of investing in another cd-burner... and would have upgraded to a dvd-burner whenever i could afford one... but now.. I'll HAVE to consider this...
we'll have happy cd-writer manufacturers, happy cd-manufacturers, happy geeks and very happy software pirates :D
I missed this detail, but what speed does it burn the label at? :p how long would it take to burn a full gfx rich label?

i love mum (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508206)

as soon as the printing department hear about this we'll shortly have do it yourself home tatoo kits.. now that'd be cool.

Excellent for musicians (5, Interesting)

nmoog (701216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508208)

I would LOVE something like that for the CD-R's of my music I sell, and send out as demos. Stick-on labels look like stick-on labels, and are barely better than magic markers.

The most impressive result I have gotten so far is by laying the cd's on the ground and spray painting them all white. Then when that layer dries, lay a stencil of an image over each disk and spray black. Leaves a cool ghosty image that looks like it was pressed. The disks play fine, and it doesn't look like your music is sponsored by TDK.

Re:Excellent for musicians (5, Insightful)

Hungus (585181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508324)

You can of course buy printable CDs and DVDs and use a printer like the one I use which is an ezcd4200 [allmediaoutlet.com] it costs me about 12 extra per cd or dvd but I do get full colour with it. Oh and if you are going to do any volume remeber to buy a continuous flow system for your pritner. In fact here is a tutorial I found on hacking your own CFS System [colorbat.com]

Re:Excellent for musicians (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508393)

Alternative, if you just need say 100 to 500 of the same design, you can get that put onto a writable CD for you by a CD duplication house fairly cheaply.

Re:Excellent for musicians (2, Interesting)

Sven The Space Monke (669560) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508375)

I've done a bit of work with spray paints (don't ask), and I would think that if the glue in labels is enough to corrode the data layer, wouldn't the all the chems in spray paint be at least as damaging over time? I've also had bad experiences trying to use spraypaint on plastic (vinyl dye is much better for this, but you definately do not want to use that on a CD). IANAchemist, so there's a good chance I'm wrong. I'd love to put some Dupli-Color Mirage or Krylon Mystique on some of my CDs.

Brilliant idea (2, Interesting)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508215)

The problem with CD printers is that:

You must buy one (these drives are $10 more than normal)
You must buy ink for one (at $970 a cart, lasts for 1 week)
You have to use it often enough that the Ink doesn't dry out.

At the moment I label my CDs with a permanent ink pen, but this would save the rest of the world from my handwriting. I'm sure the Linux driver will also ship with a perl script to dump a directory listing onto the front of the CD as well.

Hmmmmm, just up the power a bit (2, Funny)

slycer9 (264565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508218)

Am I the only one thinking about yanking the laser and throwing a nice high-power supply on it?

C'mon guys, instant Lightsaber!!!

*insert maniacal laughter*

Hmmm (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508220)

Anyone remember the CD bomb from the days when the Anarchists Cookbook circulated?

Take a CD, cover with gunpowder or phosphor scraped from match heads. Varnish. Insert into CD rom drive.

Now immagine how well that would work with a laser set to a power high enough to carve images into plastic.

Kaaaaaaboooom.

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

KozmoStevnNaut (630146) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508288)

I believe it was a floppy bomb, not a CD bomb.

You would peel the disk apart, cover the black disc inside, varnish and reassemble.

The friction from the read/write head would set it off...

Not that I have any experience in this field, mind you...

Re:Hmmm (1)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508303)

yes, it was a floppy :) a cd wouldn't work.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508328)

Actually, the heat of the laser affects a diffferent variable than size of explosion, it woudl affext how fast the reaction occured. With a laser that powerful, it would happen almost instantaneously. If one wanted to create a larger explosion, more gunpowder, a more powerful explosive, or more layers of varnish is required.

What I'm curious about (2, Interesting)

Kent Simon (760127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508226)

is how the disc burning software detects that you have their proprietary CD. I'd assume some sort of data on either hte top or bottom of the CD that the Drive must read before allowing it to tatoo the cd.

I wonder... (4, Interesting)

CliffH (64518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508230)

... what the reality of pricing is going to be on these things as opposed to the probable $10 premium quoted in the article. If they really stick to that, these things are going to take off liek crazy. The one big problem with the Yamaha was the price (at least here in NZ). If this thing truly has a negligible (???) price increase, I can see them selling like mad and being put into every branded system and whitebox known to man. Can you think of an easier way of labeling small DVD backups of your data than to write it directly to the DVD through a script. No more forgetting labeling of important data.

The flipside of this is, how long will the drive actually last with the extra etching duties of the laser? Will these have a shorter warranty period than their non-ethcing counterparts? Through the first run, will we see unusually high failure rates? I haven't heard of anything like that with the Yamaha's but, then again, I haven't looked. I haven't had to. I haven't sold one yet and I think that's mainly because I haven't bought one (if you don't know the product or the brand intimately, or are unwilling to learn it, don't sell it).

Anyways, I'm done with my rant now. You can get back to reading truly thoughtful comments. :)

CliffH

HP invent (1, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508233)

HP sure may have given up true innovation years ago, such as servers, processors and operating systems, but it's reassuring to know that they can churn out cheap marketing tricks like this to please the Great Unwashed. Well done HP.

Re:HP invent (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508281)

What makes this a "cheap marketing trick"? Sounds like a pretty clever, useful product to me.

But what the hell do I know?

Re:HP invent (1)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508342)

It's no cure for cancer. What it does happen to be, however, is a clever method for labeling CDs that only requires a different type of CD with a near nonexhistant price increase. It's still a useful idea with merits for accomplishing one small task.

Hmmm ... (5, Funny)

the bluebrain (443451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508246)

Now if it were holograms, I'd be impressed.

:-)

/ I mean, what we got freakin' LASERs in these things for anyway?

Re:Hmmm ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508308)

The correct term is "frickin' lay-ser", please get it correct in the future.

Resolution (4, Interesting)

Inda (580031) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508249)

I know what a 600dpi image looks like printed out on paper. I know that 300dpi gives a reasonable quality image too.

What sort of resolution can we expect from this?

Have many pits per inch are burned into the data side of a disk at the moment?

Can we expect the same?

Re:Resolution (3, Informative)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508325)

Rough caculations put it at over ten thousand for me. You can either convert 700mb to bits, dividing by a cd-rom's area and taking the root (gace around 18k for me) or by looking at actual dot size: 300 dpi => 84.67 m 4000 dpi => 6.35 m (Wikipedia) cd-rom: pit size seems to be around 1~2 m which gives a dpi of 10 to 20 thousand.

CD would have much higher resolution (1)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508373)

Imagine this - how much space does a 600-dpi bitmap the size of a CD take up? Well under 1mb. And that's disregarding the fact that the encoding on a CD means that the number of pits is far in excess of 700m x 8.

Seems brilliant... (3, Insightful)

odano (735445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508261)

I can't imagine any better way to produce a professional looking CD than with technology like this. Sure it is no better than a sharpie for home users, but for people who burn demo CDs or sell software online and want to make it look professional, this is about as good as it gets.

uber cool (1)

drfishy (634081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508279)

Sweet! I'm sure glad I've been holding onto my 8x SCSI burner... This would make me sad if I had just bought a new one...

Not a HP invention (-1, Flamebait)

ikekrull (59661) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508282)

I've seen these CD Writers avaailable for some months now.

In fact I believe this is a Yamaha invention.

http://www.yamahamultimedia.com/yec/tech/discta2 _0 1.asp

H.P couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag.

Re:Not a HP invention (0, Redundant)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508295)

...the article mentions that...read it.

Re:Not a HP invention (0, Redundant)

professor seagull (677508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508304)

... or at least read the post, which also starts off with your comment

Re:Not a HP invention (0, Redundant)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508357)

Please read before posting. Please

What will the output product look like? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508283)

Is the appearance going to be similar to that of the data side of a CD (ie. light distortion where it is burned) or rather a 'printed' appearance?

innovation? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508310)

Cant believe ppl @ /. are impressed with this!
Comeon Guys, call it a spade when you see one!

For the life of me, cant understand how
a) u can beat felt-pens if you wanna just label
b) regular off-the-shelf paste-it labels-for which your imagination is the only limiting factor.

Now I would love to see a double-sided cdr - that would reduce my music cd stack by half. Not this idle innovation - which would reduce your cdwriter's life by half!
Guess it isnt even worth my $0.02

Cool (3, Funny)

barfarf (544609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508317)

Now we can get our AOL discs with even MORE style!

creators' newclear power allows us to survive (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508318)

the greed/fear/ego based corepirate nazi life0cide.

you know where to look, who to trust? get ready to brighten up.

http://www.lightscribe.com/ (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508320)

The official website [lightscribe.com] has more info and photos of labled disks.

Cool (3, Insightful)

Underholdning (758194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508329)

This is a great little feature. Not that I plan to burn great images on the disk. Rather, I plan to burn the contents of the disk - maybe just do an ls -lR | burnlabel. I don't use jewelcases for my CD's or DVD's. They take up too much space. I just keep them in sheets in a binder. The downside is, that the small slip of paper telling me what's on the disk has a limited life span (i.e. I lose it somewhere). This little gimmick will rid me of that problem by fixing the contents to the disk.

Holograms (3, Interesting)

tonywestonuk (261622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508333)

Are DVD lasers sharp enough to produce diffraction patterns, insead of a standard image?.... Could this tech be used to create you own hologram, from a 3D File?

Re:Holograms (3, Informative)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508389)

No, the special disks have an ink impregnated on the label side, and when the drive burns the label side, it uses a laser powerful enough to cause a chemical change in the ink that turns it a darker color.

All your image ... (5, Funny)

elronxenu (117773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508338)

Now the RIAA will get all concerned about pirated album covers ...

heh. (1)

Niacin (700561) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508341)

This one time, in band camp, I etched a CD...

All humor aside, sounds promissing if the media isnt too much expensive, might even replace my plextor 12x

shrug

Premium price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508343)

HP estimates that a drive that uses LightScribe will carry a premium of about $10 over the going price today, and that a disc will cost about a dime more than today's discs.

And for a premium of $100 it also does LASIK!

"There are no consumables like ink or ink jet cartridges; the only consumable is the disc itself," says Daryl Anderson, project manager and HP engineer

He sounds disappointed. Probably because HP makes loads of money from consumables??

What about rewritables? (1, Interesting)

m1chael (636773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508345)

Is it possible to have another layer of whatever they have sandwiched in their (but different of course) so that the label can be erased and rewritten?

Here is a PDF from HP all about it... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508351)

Re:Here is a PDF from HP all about it... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508360)

DVD crispy (0, Troll)

FraggedSquid (737869) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508355)

Takes the fun out of using branding irons though

Lord of the king (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508359)

I just got finshed watching the latest Peter Jackson film and let me tell you those Hobbit love scenes were pretty damn gay. I thought those Hobbits were going to start ass fucking a couple of times.

Are Hobbits bisexual? The fat one at the end of the film gets some Hobbit pussy but I still think he likes ass fucking his buddy. If Jackson didn't show Aerosmith's daughter and those two hot blonde chicks I'd be forced to say the film is a total fag fest.

Re:Lord of the king (0, Offtopic)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508397)

what?

here ya go. (5, Interesting)

Niacin (700561) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508363)

http://www.lightscribe.com/user/labelTips.aspx

Closeups of different labels using this thing.

Re:here ya go. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8508376)

Link here [lightscribe.com]

a band's friend (0, Redundant)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508374)

even at monochrome, this is great! Handing out demos of your music can be done with a semi-professional look, instead of the sticky label crap. Then, if a few are well received, you send them to be mass-produced.

That, and you can shuffle things around...if you have a couple dozen songs recorded, you can make a mix of 2 or 3 (all a demo for a club should have) that fits the club better. Harder club, put your harder songs on. And then label it, so it looks a lot more professional.

I'll certainly be trying one out.

It's only a matter of time (4, Interesting)

trveler (214816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508384)

until they manufacture a drive that doesn't require you to flip the disc in order to burn the label. Eliminating that annoying step would be worth extra $$.

I want one! (3, Interesting)

p_millipede (714918) | more than 10 years ago | (#8508409)

I like to label my disks, but hesitate to do so with the normal stick on labels after a couple of bad experiences. When I used such a labeled disk in my laptop once (which can get rather hot) I smelt burned, popped the disk and found the edge of the label smouldering slightly. I also know people who've had the labels peel off slightly and gum up the drive. This sounds like an ideal solution to the problem.
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