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Phishing Scams Incorporate SSL Certificates

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the flashing-a-badge dept.

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dettifoss writes "Netcraft reports: `Internet "phishing" scams are incorporating the use of SSL certificates in their efforts to trick users into divulging sensitive login information for financial accounts.' Perhaps more disturbingly: `Scammers can also configure their web server so that deceptive SSL certificates won't trigger an alert in the user's browser. "One of the SSL encoding methods is 'plain text'," Neal Krawetz from Secure Science Corporation noted in the SANS post on the issue. "Most SSL servers have this disabled by default, but most browsers support it. When plain text is used, no central certificate authority is consulted and the user never sees a message asking if a certificate should be accepted.'"

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Whoa, phish! (-1)

ShockerFan (741511) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518049)

Phish is ghey. I got da FP. bye!

Addendum to FP (-1)

ShockerFan (741511) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518109)

This fine FP was another production of the Cabal of Logged In Trolls. Props to Sexual Asspussy and all his/her aliases; anti-props to GNAA, except for GNAA Sympathizer. Peace!

PGP Verified First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518261)


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Whoa, phish! (Score:-1)
by ShockerFan (741511) <shockerfan@b[ ]south.net ['ell' in gap]> on Tuesday March 09, @11:54PM (#8518049)
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Phish is ghey. I got da FP. bye!
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pfft (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518051)

I stopped phishing when AOL 3.0 came out...

Phish chicks smell bad (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518206)

The only time I got the clap was when I stuck it up a fucked up hippie chick in a van outside of a phish show a couple years ago. Never again.

FIRST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518052)

SUCK IT DOWN!

DAMN IT -- I MISSED FP!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518077)

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Re:FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518311)

yeah, you missed it by a long shot, dumbass!

GNAA Thanks You For Your Cooperation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518411)

Props on the failed post.

Offtopic: Slashdot tech jobs (-1, Offtopic)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518058)

Has anyone seen the banner ad for "Slashdot tech jobs"? Let's say you're a business, and you hire someone that found your listing through Slashdot. Are you going to act all surprised when they sit around all day... reading Slashdot? What genius thought of this?

Do people even see the lock? (5, Interesting)

valence (164639) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518061)

Based on my experiences helping neophytes do web work, my guess is that 90% of the web-using public doesn't even notice the little key icon, and don't know what a security certificate is even when the dialog to accept one appears. All they usually look at is the web page itself... especially on a browser like Safari where the lock is a small icon in the title bar that escaped me the first time I went looking for it. It might be interesting to have some usability folks do an eye movement analysis to see if the average user's eye ever tracks to the lock icon during normal browsing.

Of course, this does make it more likely for people who hit that nasty stage of knowing just enough about online security to be dangerous to get caught...

Re:Do people even see the lock? (3, Insightful)

RoundSparrow (341175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518081)

I agree, most users don't even pay attention to the lock.

And even if they do... SO WHAT -- gee your data is encrypted for the 100ms it travels between your PC and the web server.

But is the web server itself secure? Most aren't... most are written by ASP + PHP programmers who have no clue about SQL Injection.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (5, Insightful)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518094)

But is the web server itself secure? Most aren't... most are written by ASP + PHP programmers who have no clue about SQL Injection.

Excellent point, you have to consider the pinheads who are keeping your credit card data on file as well. Somebody comes by, cracks a few passwords and they walk off with all this data. That's a lot less work than busting SSL.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (2, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518156)

Or worse yet... the people who have the root passwords to the server walk off with the data with no hacking needed.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (4, Funny)

gilrain (638808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518181)

Or, worse yet, the guy who has the credit card in his wallet goes out and buys something! Oh wait, I guess that was a step too far.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518231)

Or, still even worse, the guy with the credit card travels to Soviet Russia where his credit card spends *him*.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (0, Funny)

snarkh (118018) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518506)

Or, worse yet, the guy who has the credit card in his wallet goes out and buys something!

What a disaster!

Re:Do people even see the lock? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518232)

What are some good resources for a web developer to read so that they know how to design secure sites that use RDBMS as a backend?

Re:Do people even see the lock? (5, Informative)

Anaxagor (211917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518448)

What are some good resources for a web developer to read so that they know how to design secure sites that use RDBMS as a backend?

OWASP [owasp.org] is a good start.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (0)

fodi (452415) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518347)

Can somone please explain the implications of using plain text SSL encryption? I'm under the impression that 128bit or above, non-reversible encryption is, in all practise, unbreakable. Also, isn't it common practise to encrypt sensitive data stored in a database with the same level of security? So, if someone does snif an encrypted packet, or access your database, how can they actually make use of the data they steal?

thanx

Look for the cute little lock! (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518309)

And even if they do... SO WHAT -- gee your data is encrypted for the 100ms it travels between your PC and the web server.
That 100ms is long enough for a packet sniffer to grab your credit card number. But that's not why they're playing up that lock icon. They're trying to give people a simple way to distinguish legitimate sites from phishing sites. Not a very good way, of course, but I'm not sure I know a better one.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (4, Interesting)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518095)

Would there be a way to have the browser display some sort of image transparency on the secure web page?

If the user was forced to pick a unique picture/bitmap/watermark that would be displayed on secure webpages by the browser, it could help with security. I.E. Design the browser so no ssl pages work until the user selects a unique bmp/jpeg that would be displayed as a unique overlay somewhere on the web page that allows them to verify that the page is secured.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (1)

gilrain (638808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518194)

Maybe as an option, but for god's sake don't force the thing. I, and many others, *do* look for the lock and would prefer to not have some image ruining the look of the page.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (5, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518276)

Would there be a way to have the browser display some sort of image transparency on the secure web page?

Given that the problem can be clearly stated and this is software we're talking about, yes -- such a method could easily be implemented. Alternate solutions could be changing the colors for the titlebar/statusbar, unique secure text/mouse cursor icons, flashing page borders, etc. However, if the trust is misplaced (as this article suggests) then all this notification is kind of pointless. User education on top of security-conscious software is still the best way to deal with security concerns.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (1)

asmellysock (649878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518284)

Sometimes individual entry fields can be https without the page on which they are appearing being secure. For example, go to the bankone web site. The login field has a little lock next to it drawn by the site itself (not the browser).

Re:Do people even see the lock? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518294)

It might be interesting to have some usability folks do an eye movement analysis

Well, since https is flawed in its mere design (As the story says) I'd say save the trouble of doing an analysis and just forget about the whole thing.

Interface issue (0, Redundant)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518479)

The browser should somehow make it more prominent then, without annoying the user. If you really wanted to be safe, have the window give itself a red border around the page, instead of a tiny little lock at the bottom. People would notice a red border, yet it wouldn't be intrusive.

Re:Do people even see the lock? (5, Insightful)

rcpitt (711863) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518495)

The biggest problem with "seeing the lock" is that the lock icon itself does not intrude enough and the "You're now viewing a secure site" message is too intrusive.

The auto industry went through this when they put warning bells/buzzers on their cars telling drivers/passengers that their belt was not done up. The warning was persistent and loud - and got disabled (read ignored for the lock symbol and turned off for the message) ASAP.

They (the auto industry) learned though - they put the buzzer/bell on for only a few seconds at the beginning of the trip - reminding those who cared and not pissing off the rest enough to result in turning off the warning permanently (and thereby removing the warning from others who might drive the car/run the browser)

The lesson is "If you are going to issue a warning message - do it for a few seconds and then get rid of it so the idiot driving doesn't use wire cutters to remove it altogether"

Are you listening programmers?

*The* question remains: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518078)

Why is my hamster so nice? It can eat a lot and is so soft!

SSL certificates in 2004 (5, Informative)

ddent (166525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518082)

(Disclaimer: I am probably biased, since we issue
SSL certificates
on our website.)



This article is a good example of yet another reason why the old advice of
"make sure the site you are dealing with has an ssl certificate, and you
should be fine" is no longer entirely true.



To be more confident you are dealing with a reputable/accountable merchant/site, you
should not only make sure that they have an SSL certificate, but you
should also actually click on the lock (or however it is done in the browser
you use) and look at the certificate.



The reason the advice used to be valid, is that traditionally, to get an SSL
certificate, you had to provide documents to prove you are who you say you
are, i.e. DUNS #, articles of incorporation, business license, DBA, bank statement,
passport, driver's license, whatever. That is still true for most of the
certificate authorities, but it isn't always true. Some of the new certificate
authorities don't actually ask to see documents before issuing the
certificate, instead, they merely make sure that you have control of the
domain by sending an email to the listed contacts. In some cases, they also
place a phone call to a number you provide them (I fail to see how this does
anything, but..). Certificate authorities that do this will issue the
certificate to "Domain control validated, organization not validated" as the
organization (or similar text to that effect) rather than to the actual name
of the company the certificate is for. These certificates are
perfectly fine for making sure things
are encrypted, however, they make the certificate useless for getting an idea
about the legitimacy of who you are dealing with. They also don't tend to
carry the warranties that other ones do (and for good reason, who would
underwrite that procedure?).


Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (1, Informative)

ddent (166525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518125)

Gah... I submitted this as HTML but slashcode interpreted it as plaintext and messed up the formatting somehow... sorry!

Anybody got a list of "BAD" Cert providers? (4, Interesting)

nlinecomputers (602059) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518240)

Ok if the bad guys can get certs from slime certificate houses then I can delete said certificates or mark them untrustworthy. Will I then get warning about the certificate being invalid and that should prompt me to take a closer look.

If so anybody have a list of SSL providers I should be giving a second look at when the site pops up?

Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (-1, Offtopic)

normal_guy (676813) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518290)

What a horribly formatted post, and it got up to 5?

Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518317)

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Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (1)

ddent (166525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518339)

Uh, that AC was not me. And I already apologized for the poor formattting... kindly lay off :)

Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (1)

andreMA (643885) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518443)

Ever since the "Extrans" and "code" options were added I've found posting with HTML to be hit-or-miss as well. Ah, to be a beta-tester.

Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (1)

ThisIsFred (705426) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518400)

Some of the new certificate authorities don't actually ask to see documents before issuing the certificate, instead, they merely make sure that you have control of the domain by sending an email to the listed contacts.

That doesn't make me feel any wiser or safer. Asking for all of that information isn't the litmus test for the legitimacy of a CA. Heck, that'd be a great front for an identity thief. I'm no more trusting of big tech companies offering certificates. Just because they charge a wad of dough doesn't make them competent or trustworthy. There needs to be ethics standards in place for these CAs. SSL encrypted web sites are the preferred way to do business transactions with mail-order companies. If there isn't some kind of trusted organization in place to enforce some ethical standards, it'll end up being like the stock market in the 1980s.

Re:SSL certificates in 2004 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518430)

Umm... non verified SSL certs? And you don't tell us whom?
Not even a http://cutandand paste.com/ur l?

Uh...

This slashdot right?
I am sure there are lots of home servers our there that would love to get a cert w/o having a corporation.

Niggers... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518087)

just feasted on my junk liberally..

The short (2, Informative)

Idealius (688975) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518088)

Here's the kicker (From Article):

Netcraft has developed a service to help banks and other financial organizations identify sites which may be trying to construct frauds, identity theft and phishing attacks by pretending to be the bank, or are implying that the site has a relationship with the bank when in fact there is none.

Here's the competition (From Google):

About Comodo:
Comodo is the leading WebTrust-compliant enterprise solutions provider for E-commerce Security Solutions. Firmly established in the market, Comodo markets a range of innovative products and services developed by its dedicated research lab delivering software, hardware, secure messaging and certificate-based security.

Comodo offers its SEEOS(TM) Secure Enterprise Extensible Operating System for integrated network security, together with secure Linux applications delivered via its Trustix(TM) brand, SIDEN(TM) next generation ASIC, Instant SSL Certificates for securing web servers and patented web site verification and identity solutions. For product information please contact US +1 800 772 5185 or Europe +44 (0) 161 874 7070 or visit the Comodo Home Page at www.comodogroup.com .

About Betrusted:
Betrusted is the premier global provider of security and trust services to the world's leading organizations and government agencies. Through its managed security services, Betrusted offers clients a comprehensive package of leading security products coupled with unrivalled expertise to help reduce costs, increase revenues and comply with government and industry regulations. For more information, please visit our website at www.betrusted.com . Betrusted is owned by One Equity Partners, Bank One's private equity group.

(http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-news/ss l-120104.html [instantssl.com] )

Re:The short (0, Offtopic)

Idealius (688975) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518158)

Flamebait +1

For fun.

Average Joe (5, Insightful)

LordK3nn3th (715352) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518097)

Average Joe doesn't have any idea what encryption is or why it's important. Average Joe just wants to point, click, and buy. Hell, I rarely pay attention to it.

Isn't it more likely that people were suckered in not because of the SSL trick but rather simply from "scam" or mimic pages instead?

That is evil.. (0)

Sovern (631825) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518098)

Considering the low level of understanding most users have, I think many more will fall for these scemes. We should all switch to the dark side.

Re:That is evil.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518132)

The low-level users don't know anything about SSL or encryption etc. If these users are going to get duped into entering thier info they are going to wether it is SSL enrypted or not.

It doesn't matter (4, Insightful)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518103)

What, is this going to trick another 1% of so called "technically adept" people *COUGHmcseCOUGH* into giving their online bank login info over a freakin' website? Who ever ASKS YOU for your login information?! They reset it, and they have you reset it upon login.

Ooooh... Wait a minute. That could be a NEW strain of e-mails... Just takes a little more HTML craftmanship to code a fake E-Mail with a "reset" password, you log into the evil website with it, and enter in your "new" (which would most likely be your old one again, for most people) info. Scary!

Re:It doesn't matter - but it does (1)

RoundSparrow (341175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518136)

I don't agree... It does matter. There are those of us who still use email, despite the spam (and phishing that this story is about).

And when I get a legit looking letter that looks like a real notice from a domain registrar, web site I have account with (PayPal, eBay, eSnipe, Mwave, NewEgg, etc.) - then I want to respond.

Business is about relationship with customer and company... you SHOULD read your notices that your account is past due, that your account was hacked and you need to change your password

Fraud and crime sucks no matter what part of your life. Don't just accept it. Yes, things are not what they used to be on the Internet... it is the job of the geek to help educate the masses and to help track down the as*holes.

Re:It doesn't matter - but it does (2, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518204)

I think the problem is that the Internet is using all sorts of technologies that allow things to be misrepresented... the basic IP protocol was written in an era where every other host on the Internet could presumed to be somewhat friendly, since everyone was either part of the US Government or an academic who was affiliated with a univeristy. Any abusers of the Internet could be identified and thrown out.

Now, absolutely every weakness is being found and exploited. The Internet just wasn't designed for this...

Re:It doesn't matter (4, Informative)

PacoTaco (577292) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518472)

Who ever ASKS YOU for your login information?

Verisign does. After failing to get an account migration problem fixed via email, I finally resorted to calling them. The rep asked for my username and password to verify my identity and couldn't understand why I refused to give out my password over the phone. I asked him if the passwords were stored in their database in plaintext or if he was going to check it by logging on, but he wouldn't tell me.

Defeats the purpose of SSL? (5, Insightful)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518121)

Wasn't the entire point of SSL was to be encrypted? Who's bright idea was it to put plain text in SSL in the first place, much less give browsers support for it?

Re:Defeats the purpose of SSL? (1)

zeruch (547271) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518145)

the entire point of any one technology these days seems to be to do something that will be eclipsed and/or circumvented by another technology in roughly realtime. ain't high-tech fun?

Re:Defeats the purpose of SSL? (4, Informative)

realdpk (116490) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518251)

Sometimes all you need is authentication. It would actually be nice if plaintext sites could have plaintext certificates so you'd know you're going to the right place, but still be able to browse without the added encryption overhead with every request.

There would, of course, need to be a way to easily differentiate between encrypted and non-encrypted sites just like now.

Re:Defeats the purpose of SSL? (2, Interesting)

chamilto0516 (675640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518318)

OK, given what is in this thread, I ask this: In the popular browsers (IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, Safari) how would I turn off "plain text" SSL. But if I could, would I want to? Would that break SSL authenication without encryptions type things and do a lot of sites do that?

For the record, I do look for the lock icon but because of that, I do turn off the "you are connecting to a secure site/you are leaving a secure site." 9 times out of 10, I do click on the lock and verify that the URL in the cert matches the url that I am pointing to...but I do understand that I'm especially paranoid in a nerdy kinda way.

Re:Defeats the purpose of SSL? (0)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518372)

Is it possible to disable these plain text certificates?

I just looked through Firefox and IE and don't see any clearly marked as "Plain Text". The only one that looks slightly funky is "NO LIABILITY ACCEPTED, (c)97 VeriSign, Inc."; "VeriSign Time Stamping Service Root"

Re:Defeats the purpose of SSL? (4, Interesting)

femto (459605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518384)

Perhaps the problem is a user interface one? Typically, a user will interpret a 'lock' to mean security. Wouldn't the solution be to only display the lock when the link is actually encrypted (plain text doesn't count as encryption)? Alternatively, replace the 'binary' lock with an analog scale indicating an effective key length (in bits) as an indicator of security level. Perhaps have the bar change colour when it passes a level of security strong enough to be considerd as 'encrypted'?

I presume the second half of the problem in that MS Internet Explorer allows (is this fixed?) a site to misrepresent its address in the address bar? That way the user cannot be sure that the address displayed matches that in the certificate.

Personally, I've never understood the mentality of allowing a web page to modify ANYTHING outside the boundaries of its frame. Doesn't this break the whole 'object orientedness' of a windowing display?

Best strategy for fighting this (5, Insightful)

kongjie (639414) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518123)

...is probably a low-tech one.

If I understand correctly, phishing comes into play when users are sent an e-mail with a bogus link. Probably something like "we've detected fraudulent use of your account, please follow this link to verify your information" etc. etc.

There is no reason to follow links in e-mail to get to a site that you regularly use. If you doubt the authenticity of an e-mail from, say, American Express, just visit the site as you usually do, through a bookmark. After logging in you should be able to access the necessary info.

Re:Best strategy for fighting this (1)

RoundSparrow (341175) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518177)

Yha, and domain typo squatters, etc.

Surfing was 'fun', now it has become a nightmare.

Re:Best strategy for fighting this (1)

platipusrc (595850) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518337)

seriously...

And what's the point of SlashHot [slashhot.org] anyway?

Re:Best strategy for fighting this (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518331)

If you doubt the authenticity of an e-mail from, say, American Express, just visit the site as you usually do, through a bookmark.

This applies to real life too. The other day, two guys wearing official-looking "police" uniforms came to arrest me. I didn't open the door, I called 911 and told them that some jokers wearing police costumes were trying to arrest me. I turns out they were the real police, but it's always best to double check.

Re:Best strategy for fighting this (4, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518408)

I did tech support for an ISP until my call center was closed. We used to tell people that we'd never send them an email asking for login or credit card info, and that any message doing so was bogus. Of course, this lead to the occasional luser that wouldn't tell us their password when we needed to ID them because they couldn't see the difference between somebody sending them an email asking for their password and them calling us and our needing to ID them before changing something on their account. Most of the time, just pointing out that they'd called us, so they know who they're talking to rather than an email that they don't know who sent did the trick, but there's always a few people that refused. I never minded because not doing something is much less work and I could go on to the next call faster.

Re:Best strategy for fighting this (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518452)

There's actually very few reasons that ISP tech support should need your password. My theory is that they only ask because they are using barbaric management systems and/or it's just part of their monkey-script. Either way it's bad policy.

Domain Typos (1)

ChrisBrown1 (212711) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518441)

Or evil domain is typo of legitimate one... (Not meant to defame any website) such as www.ebaye.com, www.paypall.com, www.macaffee.com, etc...

Open SSL contributes to the problem... (2, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518142)

Unfortunately, the open-source SSL systems contribute to this problem...

Most of them let you do a functionally okay SSL certificate without having to pay a root certificate authority. However, that means you're going to get the "sorta okay" certificate message poping up, with the user being told that the certificate is valid but there's no certifying authority behind it. As a result, the user is trained to click "Yes" to that box, and is conditioned to ignore such errors...

Re:Open SSL contributes to the problem... (4, Insightful)

devnullify (561782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518214)

You can create self-signed certs just as easily with Microsoft's certificate managment tools.

Users are conditioned to click Yes/OK to *any* dialog box that gets in their way, without reading it.

Re:Open SSL contributes to the problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518341)

Well, I'm a user, and I'm not buying anything from you if you don't have a real certificate.

you are misinformed (3, Informative)

wotevah (620758) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518369)

RTFA or quit trolling. The problem is not the SSL certificates or who creates them, but the browsers accepting a "plain" encryption scheme when setting up the secure channel. I haven't actually seen this but it's entirely within reason that a "plain text" encryption was available in the SSL libraries for debugging communications in SSL apps.

I think it should be fairly simple to update the browsers so they require some encryption by default. Voila. Problem solved and we don't have to kill OpenSSL or "pay a root certificate authority" for the privilege of having encryption.

Re:you are misinformed (1)

femto (459605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518451)

The parent has a valid point. But the problem is not with allowing people to create their own certificates.

When you inspect a certicicate with MS Internet Explorer, it says the certificate is 'okay'. Most users would interpret this to mean 'everything is 'hunky dorey', and continue on with their transaction.

In reality, 'okay', in the context it is used, means that the certificate is internally consistent. It doesn't say anything about whether the user is being scammed. Shouldn't the message wording be changed to reflect the fact that it doesn't actually relate to everything being 'okay'?

Re:Open SSL contributes to the problem... (4, Informative)

rekt (760792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518456)

An SSL certificate is just a (hopefully long) bit-string formatted in a certain way. I don't see how the fact that anyone can generate a long bit string to a well-known format contributes to the insecurity of SSL.

If a protocol can be weakened by someone generating a long bit-string, then that protocol isn't worth much in the first place.

Public knowledge of SSL (incarnated in the openSSL source) is not the problem. Rather, the problem is twofold:

Uncomprehending users
End users don't understand PKI, for the most part. They don't understand the implications and assumptions which underly the system. By default, the X.509 architecture means that they end up implicitly trusting the root Certificate Authorities installed by their browser provider (which means they are implicitly trusting their browser provider and we know who that usually is...)
Untrustworthy Hierarchy in X.509
The hierarchical nature of SSL's PKI means that even for those people who understand how it works, they are still strongly compelled to trust some large CAs. Sadly, many of the large CAs have abandoned their ideal role of actually establishing and verifying identity. They seem to now see themselves as yet another middleman who deserves a cut of any transaction without providing a service.
How many times have you seen a CA whose policy for establishing identity amounts to "Please send us a fax on company letterhead" ? Who can't send a fax on "company letterhead" these days?

I would be willing to pay a good CA for actual verification, even as a client, if i could be sure that they were actually verifying the folks they issued certificates to. But it would need to be big enough to be able to certify a large number of sites to be worthwhile...

The non-hierarchical nature of the web of trust [gnupg.org] model of PKI is so much better than X.509, so it would fix the untrustworthy hierarchy issue above. But, even more than X.509, it expects all the end users to understand the basic ideas of PKI, not just "look for the little lock and click those dialogs as soon as they come up". sigh...

Microsoft Has Got You Covered (5, Funny)

FiberOpPraise (607416) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518147)

Don't worry, I make sure to type all of my URL's now including onces such as:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99888&threshol d=0&mode=thread&commentsort=0&op=Reply
Sometimes they take a while but it pays off!

Re:Microsoft Has Got You Covered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518453)

The problem you are describing has been resolved in a patch.

an old timer i know (5, Interesting)

Spetiam (671180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518165)

solves all this by never entering any financial data anywhere on the internet. he's not a knowledgeable computer user, and he knows it. in his case, and in the case of many non technically-minded individuals, it seems much easier to simply avoid all online financial transactions.

i think his simple approach to avoiding online financial risks makes a lot of sense. many of my non-tech friends/family members might be taken in by a scam like this, and given how painful it is to explain computer things to them, from now on i'll just tell them never, under any circumstances, to enter financial data on the web.

surprise, surprise... (1)

wotevah (620758) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518436)

I doubt that completely removes the risks. I bet most processors now use the 'net to submit data to their central database when they get it either by phone or on paper. It's the obvious thing to do, not many want to develop their own modem-based secure networks when this cheap Internet is already here.

Re:an old timer i know (1)

snarkh (118018) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518439)

Yes, and I prefer to stay home as it dramatically decreases the probability of a heavy home appliance falling on my head as I walk under a window.

I also prefer candles as it it decreases the chance of being electrocuted.

Re:an old timer i know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518440)

Right. Tell him to not use ATMs either, unless he is able to spot the difference between a real and false-fronted IBM 30803 machine.

Legislation (0, Troll)

dysprosia (661648) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518168)

Why, oh why isn't there legislation to make this sort of thing illegal? Phishing is basically fraud, and if there was a chance that some action could be done, then these phishers would not be tempted to pull such a stunt, since they would know that there would possibly a lawsuit/jailtime behind this...

Re:Legislation (2, Troll)

pookie_jurd (613079) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518189)

Why isn't there a law against going out and killing people? Then these people "would not be tempted to pull such a stunt, since they would know that there would possibly a lawsuit/jaintime behind this..."

Re:Legislation (4, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518226)

I think you'd be better off asking why the existing laws against fraud and deceptive trade practicees aren't enforced.

Re:Legislation (4, Insightful)

yasth (203461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518233)

It is illegal under current laws (Wire fraud, misrepresentation, etc). The hard part is catching them, also there are jurisdiction issues. I mean really there was no need for new murder laws when guns came about. This is fraud, and oftentimes theft plain vanilla crime, but with a new delivery method. Also to be honest, most DAs would probably rather go after child porn then something so unlikely to get there names in the paper as white collar credit card scams

Re:Legislation (2, Funny)

alfredw (318652) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518350)

most DAs would probably rather go after child porn then something so unlikely to get there names in the paper as white collar credit card scams

Reminds me of Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore had the brilliant idea of treating white collar criminals just like the rest... Chase them through the street, tackle 'em in the street, and bump them a few times on the hood of the cruiser. Would make for entertaining TV, and every "Average Joe" would love to see his/her boss go down.

Re:Legislation (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518278)

Oh, it's illegal. The problem isn't whether or not this sort of thing is legal. It's finding, apprehending, and punishing the offendors that's the hard part.

Let me give you an example. Suppose you're in the nation of Grand Fenwick, and bank with the National Grand Fenwick Bank. I, who live in Mordor, decide to target customers of the National Grand Fenwick Bank, and set up a fake website at http://123.456.789.0/gf.php[1] that mimics their logon screen. I then send out millions of emails to lure customers of NGFB to my website.

Within minutes of these emails being sent, the Powers That Be at NGFB know about the fraud that's being committed in their name. They know what host is hosting the scam. They know (or can easily find out) where the host is located physically. BUT:

  1. How do they know whether that host is a willing or unwitting party to the fraud?
  2. How do they prove it, if it's willing?
  3. If it's unwilling, how do they track down the perpetrator?
  4. Assuming they can track down the perpetrator, how do they take said perp into custody?
It just so happens that the host is my own, and I'm listed as the registrar. Alas, alack, there is no extradition treaty between Mordor and Grand Fenwick, so all they can do is shout threateningly across the ocean at me, whilst I mock their puny and powerless attempts to bring me to justice.

There are too many levels of proof needed to bring a conviction, and even if they're all satisfied, if the perpetrator is in a country such as Russia, all hope goes out the window. In fact, all it takes is one layer -- me hiring a Russian to obtain these details -- to protect me (as long as I'm careful about how I use those details).

The police and fraud departments are aware of these issues, and they're trying to resolve them. Unfortunately, political problems get between the problem and the solution. Things aren't helped when it takes me a half hour to alert the bank and/or police of a currently active fraudulent site...

[1] Yes, I know this is an invalid IP address. You're missing the point.

Re:Legislation (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518446)

set up a fake website at http://123.456.789.0/gf.php[1] that mimics their logon screen.

This IP range is controlled by Freedonia, and President Rufus T. Firefly has let it be known that hijacking their limited IP addresses would be a causus belli. Prepare for war!

Re:Legislation (1)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518307)

And it should be a capital crime.

Meh (4, Insightful)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518227)

Sad thing is, it's getting harder and harder to be able to give them basic advice.

At the rate things are going, you pretty well have to know all the same tricks the spammers/scammers do...

I mean, just the other day, I got a message from PayPal about my account. Oops, I don't have one... Okay, so that would've been my first clue, but it was faked well enough to pass Hotmail's spam filter, and it looked official, like I really had had an account suspended.

So I check the email source, because I know better. Sure enough, it's using the %00 bug to catch IE users. Assuming they would know to look for where the link actually pointed, instead of where it claimed to.

In the mean time, I went to the page. Sure enough, it wants every bit of information imagineable. All the other links off it link to actual PayPal pages... the status bar at the bottom is left blank via JavaScript. So the inobservant and gullible would be hosed...

Naturally, I feed it totally fake information (might as well give them more false data... shouldn't harm anyone, should only help get them caught, I hope), just to see what it does. Sure enough, redirects you to another actual part of the PayPal site. I sent off a LART to the hosting provider's abuse email. No response. I don't consider that a good sign.

Note that no SSL was required here. Just official-looking pages. Granted, I didn't fall for it, but I know more about these exploits than Joe Average. Joe Average probably wouldn't know what was wrong with %00 in a URL if he saw it.

This is sad, too. I've taught classes on this, and I try to teach the class as much as they are capable of understanding. Even so, it's getting to the point where I feel like they need to know at least as much as I do just to avoid these stupid scams. There's a new one made up every day, it seems, and I spend a lot of time just keeping up with what the lowlifes are doing...

So the point of all this? We practically need a "scam report" type of newspaper for the general public. Not to mention a primer detailing the older tricks in the book... not to mention some way to get the average public to read them both.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518300)

I mean, just the other day, I got a message from PayPal about my account. Oops, I don't have one... Okay, so that would've been my first clue, but it was faked well enough to pass Hotmail's spam filter, and it looked official, like I really had had an account suspended.

I can't believe it. You're saying that hotmail's spam filters let a scam message through. I'm shocked.

Re:Meh (1)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518327)

They sometimes catch ones with broken headers. And spammers aren't that good at writing SMTP engines, either.

That said, yeah, it's not like it's that hard for them to pass the spam filters. Even so, it's just another thing that might help it seem more legitimate to a potential victim.

Then again, I would hope that a reasonable person would know better than to give them every possible password, address, SSN and bit of personal information they could possibly want... :/

I mean, hell, I was waiting for the field that asked for "3rd grade teacher's name" or "pet(s) name(s)" ...

thanks scammers! (4, Funny)

BinaryJono (546830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518255)

finally an affordable way to use SSL certificates on our sites without "unsigned certificate" warnings or having to pay Verisign $895/year for each certificate!

Re:thanks scammers! (3, Interesting)

ddent (166525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518371)

Please, please dont do that... that is purely evil. You give the impression to your visitors that you are securing their data, and then you don't if you do it that way. Also note that you can get a certificate every bit as good as the ones that VeriSign issue for much less than $895/year these days - look around a bit more.

You do raise a very interesting point though. The fact that browsers don't pop up a warning for plain-text SSL could actually potentially be used to perform a man-in-the-middle attack with no-one the wiser (unless they check the issuer of the certificate manually, as they should)! That is rather scary to me, and it is serious enough that patches should be issued (not that most people apply them, but that is an entirely different story).

Damm I wish I knew (3, Funny)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518262)

"One of the SSL encoding methods is 'plain text'," I could have had my own certs with no browser barking for all this time ? Damm Years ago I tried the "Please install my certificate thing" It worked for a while but stupid customers kept asking questions (I am sorta joking) Now I find out I could have configured my server to avoid many of these authority issues ?

'splane it to me Lucy (1)

602 (652745) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518280)

from the article: The evolving strategies of phishing crews underscore the need for continuing consumer education on detecting deceptive URLs, web sites and now, to discern authentic SSL certificates and relationships as well.

I understood most of the article, but parts of it were like Greek to me, and I'm pretty savvy. I understand encryption and know to look for the SSL lock when I'm entering sensitive information, but visual spoofing worries me. I'll be sure to look at SSL certificates from now on. I hope the browser and backbone programmers can make this more secure.

Re:'splane it to me Lucy (3, Informative)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518477)

Well, these 'phishers' would make up a url.. something like http://www.eonlinebank.com (and then, insert a bunch of spaces)@theirsite.com/

Their site would be an exact replica meant to steal your information. So, firms would beat into their customers to look for the 'lock' or the https:// before a URL to make sure that it was the right site.

With plain text encoding on an https site, you still get the comfort factor of the lock (i think), and the https://, so once again, the morons who don't look at the complete URL are going to be victimized.

IE had a bug where a certian control code would make the second part of the url (the @and everything after it) completely invisible. This has been fixed.

They just want to jam. (4, Funny)

Jasn (106824) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518338)

I for one object to blaming all this on Phish. I'm sure that Mr. Anastasio et al. have no connection to this illegal and extremely harmful activity.

Invading SSL can't be good (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518340)

This was the last safe territory for me. When I punch info into a https site, I get a sense that it's alot safer.

How the hell I use online banking and do any heavy shopping via https again?!

Re:Invading SSL can't be good (3, Insightful)

sirReal.83. (671912) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518455)

I don't care if you're using 2048-bit encryption to purchase that new GeForce - if SuperDealUpgradeStore so much as leaves the wrong port open on the firewall or uses a simple password and doesn't check logs, you're hosed.

As the saying goes: "Security is a process, NOT a product."

Mozilla has a warning for this... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518364)

It defaults to poping up a warning that you are using low grade encryption. Plain text qualifies!

Is there a page with a demo of the technique? (2, Interesting)

kasperd (592156) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518370)

I'd like to verify if my browser is vulnurable.

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CRITICAL ACCOUNT UPDATE (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8518375)

I think the site you were looking for is here [cockeyed.com] .

The lock is not important (4, Insightful)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518429)

Many websites now use an insecure connection (HTTP) to shop, add items to your cart, and process your checkout. Even the final order form page is sent over HTTP, but the form POST is set to use HTTPS.

This is fine by me. Everything up to that point doesn't need to be encrypted. However, the only way to verify that the form (i.e. credit card #) will be sent over HTTPS is to View Source and look for the POST line. And this makes verifying certificates and encryption methods even harder.

Would it make sense for a tooltip over the Submit button to show the destination of the POST? Or at least whether it's secure? How about some useful items on the right-click menu?

While I'm on the topic...When I right-click and hit View Source, why can't the browser open an editor and scroll to the line of code that I right-clicked on? I know Firefox & IE don't, maybe something else does already..

Re:The lock is not important (4, Interesting)

windside (112784) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518483)

While I'm on the topic...When I right-click and hit View Source, why can't the browser open an editor and scroll to the line of code that I right-clicked on? I know Firefox & IE don't, maybe something else does already..

In Firefox, if you highlight part of the HTML document and then right click the highlighted text and select "View Selection Source", the program attempts to load the source and go to the appropriate line(s). I've found the functionality is kind of hit-and-miss, but it's definitely what you're after.

Uh, duh. (-1, Troll)

SCHATTIE (760808) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518459)

Where is the condemnation of your friend Bob Thompson?

I Blame Dirty Hippies! (-1, Troll)

mikewren420 (264173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8518481)

Seriously... ok, not. Seriously though, at least I can pay for my RV for Bonnaroo now! :)
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