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Obtaining Legal MP3s Outside of the U.S.?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the there's-a-whole-music-lovin'-world-out-there dept.

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frankkubiak asks: "I recently bought the new iPod with 40GB. I understand the arguments of the record industry, that I should buy the music I want to hear. Alright. So I don't want to get MP3 files by file-sharing. But here is my problem: I live outside the U.S., in Germany to be exact. iTunes only offers service to those inside the U.S. (see this related Slashdot article). I don't want a CD, vinyl record, tape or minidisc. I simply want to listen to the music. Even if I decide to buy a legacy audio CD, it is often copy-protected and won't load in my PC. So, strictly speaking, it is not even an audio-CD. Heise keeps a database of those un-CDs (German language. English speakers can use this fish-translated page). It sounds incredible, but even after hours of research on the web, I don't see a legal way to use this device with new songs. The only way I see to use this device is to buy a CD, and if I can't rip it, I'll have to [break the law and] download the MP3-file via file-sharing. I believe there are more people like me out there who want to listen to their music, without feeling guilty. Why is there no one meeting this demand? How does Slashdot feel about this?" Before you mention Napster, let's note that it has similar restrictions (see the "International Considerations" section). So where can non-U.S. internet users go to download the legal MP3s that they want?

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MP3 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526569)

MP3 = Terrorism.

This may sound stupid but.... (4, Interesting)

commo1 (709770) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526578)

You could buy the CD, download an MP3 from a site and play it. You own a legal copy, you're not technically stealing.

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (5, Insightful)

RexHowland (71795) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526606)

That is theoretically true in America, but IP and fair-use laws are different in Europe. It's a pretty bad situation to be in, but hopefully somebody here will know how to handle it.

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (5, Informative)

Lucky Tony (608908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526608)

In a place like Australia, is considered stealing even if you own a copy.

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (1)

ebsf1 (689864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526629)

Actually...you may be 'technically' stealing. Although I agree it does seem like the logical way to go about things. That doesn't make it legally right tho.

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526723)

Actually that would be "copyright infringing" if you want to be technical about it. ;)

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (2, Insightful)

grennis (344262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526635)

But this would be indirectly supporting the recording industry's CD copy protection scheme.

It would counter-productive to the whole spirit of his intent.

Wrong! RIAA already got someone for doing this. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526727)

Remember the little old lady that the RIAA busted? She claimed she owned all the music on CD already so it didn't matter if she downloaded all the music off the net? RIAA checked the checksums of the files vs her CDs and they were different. She was only able to use MP3s of the songs SHE RIPPED HERSELF from her CDs. You only get the right to own that particular copy of the song, not someone elses ripped copy. Silly, but true.

Re:This may sound stupid but.... (4, Informative)

nocomment (239368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526756)

Could you use an american proxy server to make your connection appear to come from here?

http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-prox y/proxy-list/

simple answer: you don't. (4, Insightful)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526581)

the music is owned by its copyright holder. if they don't want to offer it to you, you can't get it legally.

them's the ropes, and our just desserts for allowing the hegemony of major labels to monopolise music for so long.

Re:simple answer: you don't. (3, Insightful)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526669)

the music is owned by its copyright holder. if they don't want to offer it to you, you can't get it legally.

This is exactly right. There's no "electronic" fair use in most nations. If you want to listen to this music electronically, return your iPod to the store and find a music player that's WMA compatible. Or, just buy a CD player.

Alternatively, create a business where European consumers can purchase electronic music.

Re:simple answer: you don't. (1)

DarkKnight (22515) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526766)


Thats certainly the case in Australia. For a long time, the labels have turned a blind eye to copying even for personal use.

Certainly you can start your own business or hit your favourite search engine for companies that already do sell music online without restriction i.e. magnatune.com, mp3.com.au or emusic.com. Note I've not used any of these companies.

Is it illegal? (3, Interesting)

patdabiker (710704) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526583)

Is it illegal to download [and not share] the mp3's of an album if you own that album?

Re:Is it illegal? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526592)

yes

Re:Is it illegal? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526621)

I don't know about the rest of the EU, but in the UK at least it's actually illegal to make your own copies (MP3 or otherwise) of albums you own, even if you don't share them with anyone.

Re:Is it illegal? (4, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526752)

Indeed it is - without explicit permission from the copyright holder, we UKians do not have the right to make any copy. That includes format shifting, backups, etc.

Kinda sucks, really - I guess that 260GBP iRiver I bought is just a nice USB hard-drive with built-in mic and FM tuner, as I certainly can't buy electronic versions of the music I like (ebm, goth, etc). Hell, some of the stuff I like is hard enough to get on CD...

On the plus side, the law is effectively unenforceable - I don't know a single person who doesn't have some sort of audio device, be it cassette, mp3 player, minidisc, or whatever. I suspect that the vast majority of people in the UK have broken this particular law at some point, most likely right now.

On the minus side, that really means that, should they want to investigate you for some reason, that's another line of attack they can take. Remember, they *wanted* Al Capone because he was a gangster. They *got* him for tax evasion...

Paranoia aside, it damages the Law as a whole to have unenforced/unenforceable laws on the books. I don't see it changing any time soon, though - in fact, in light of recent events (the EU "super-DMCA"), I can only see it getting worse.

Re:Is it illegal? (1)

IthnkImParanoid (410494) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526700)

Even if it was (which it probably isn't) legal, it sure as hell isn't legal for the person you're downloading it from....which probably means you're participating in the crime. IAObviouslyNAL.

Re:Is it illegal? (1)

phillyclaude (215272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526757)

in the US, it is not. when you buy an album, you are buying the right to listen to that music. That is why it is legal to record songs/shows off radio/tv. The same fair use law applies to mp3s, regardless of what the RIAA would have you believe

Why is there no one meeting this demand? (1)

LochNess (239443) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526584)

Because the record companies don't want it.

Re:Why is there no one meeting this demand? (5, Informative)

MikeXpop (614167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526708)

Some record companies [audiolunchbox.com] have no problem with it.

Audio Luncbox also allows you to have unrestricted mp3 or aac. Enjoy!

My Comments on your Dilemmia (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526585)

I don't want a CD, vinyl record, tape or minidisc. I simply want to listen to the music.

Huh? That is like saying "I don't want fruit. I simply want an apple".

Even if I decide to buy a legacy audio CD, it is often copy-protected and won't load in my PC.

Often? Define often. Less than 1% of CD's are copy protected like you describe.

I don't see a legal way to use this device with new songs

Looks like somebody forgot to look BEFORE you went out and spent $400 on a paperweight. Big dumb kraut!

Re:My Comments on your Dilemmia (1)

Eneff (96967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526655)

Much of the copy protection testing happens in Europe, and a larger portion of copy-protected CDs are sold there.

Myself, I'd suggest expanding your horizons of music. There are plenty of legal sources of mp3s out there - they didn't all die with mp3.com.

I couldn't live without (1, Interesting)

adamgreenfield (245052) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526588)

... my music. It keeps me sane on a daily basis. Why do people like iTunes and Napster restrict service like that? Isn't the general idea to market to as many people as you can. Are the anti-copyright laws in Europe that incompadable with the ones here in the US?

I know we've got a few over-bearing laws here, but I'm sure other copyright protections are more than sufficent to cover this sort of thing.

Re:I couldn't live without (1)

CrowScape (659629) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526769)

Would the VAT be applied to music downloads as well?

I would guess iTunes and Napster restrict their services for the reason of simplicity because some labels may not want to give these services the right to sell in certain markets. As the idea of paying for music is a relatively new enterprise, at this early stage it's alright, buisness wise, to do this. But if/when the market takes off, expect these services to expand their markets or die.

Break the law. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526590)

Go ahead -- being bad never felt so good...

Sorry (-1, Troll)

Melvin Daniels (757374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526591)

To be honest, the answer is a tough one to have an answer for, and if you were going to buy an iPod, you should've thought about this in the first place. I don't know if you just wanted to be the cool guy with the iPod, or what, but you can't just buy every shiny little thing you see on TV.

Re:Sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526702)

The point is, buying an iPod is a reasonable thing to do. The implication that iPods are useless for law-abiding Europeans is, as the author puts it, incredible, and merits discussion.

I gave up and ripped my CDs (4, Interesting)

PktLoss (647983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526593)

I have the same issue living in Canada, Puretracks has a small selection, but I haven't found anything I want there yet, and my discman only plays MP3s not WMV.

I gave up and resorted to buying CDs, ripping them, then burning them. Most CD ripping software seems to be capable of working around the 'copy protection' on the CDs I have had experiance with. Its horrible because I live in tiny student housing and generally end up leaving the jewel cases and discs at my parents to save space and clutter.

The music industry's grim determination to stop me from listening to music I have paid for has yet to cease amazing me.

Re:I gave up and ripped my CDs (2, Informative)

bach_m (692327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526706)

did u miss this [slashdot.org] article?

Re:I gave up and ripped my CDs (2, Insightful)

PktLoss (647983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526751)

I think stating that while it may be said that it is legal to download music you have not paid for, that is reading the letter of the law rather than the word of the law.

And more importantly I see no ethical standing for stating that downloading someone elses work for free is fine.

Re:I gave up and ripped my CDs (1)

Medgur (172679) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526722)

You're in Canada, the copyright board has ruled that it's legal for you to download music over P2P services. What are you doing buying CDs anymore? Just be careful not to upload, they still haven't yet ruled on that.

Re:I gave up and ripped my CDs (4, Interesting)

SheldonYoung (25077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526738)

If you live in Canada this is a non-issue for you as you can download freely from almost any source. This is due to the levy paid on blank media and the sanity of the Canadian Copyright Board.

From http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml [neil.eton.ca] :
However, unless the legislation is changed or the courts interpret matters differently, it appears that making a private copy for your own use of a musical work downloaded in any manner from the internet is not an infringement of copyright. In their decision, the Copyright Board states:

The regime does not address the source of the material copied. There is no requirement in Part VIII that the source copy be a non-infringing copy. Hence, it is not relevant whether the source of the track is a pre-owned recording, a borrowed CD, or a track downloaded from the Internet.
The more complex answer to the question posed above is you cannot post a song on the internet in any manner, but you can make a private copy of any songs you find on the net.

And the music industry... (4, Insightful)

archevis (634851) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526595)

... wonders why people are drawn to illegal file sharing...

German Kazaa (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526598)

Perhaps you could use Mein Kampfzaa?

I recommend (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526600)

Fucking yourself in the ass

Long live the French!

Desirent ardemment DE PHASE LES FRANCAIS!

Re:I recommend (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526667)

VIVO OS FRANCESES!

Re:I recommend (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526729)

Fucking yourself in the ass

THat's a great idea! By doing so, you'll have a cock in your ass, but it'll be your's! So that would mean that YOU'RE NOT GAY!

AWESOME!

Re:I recommend (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526733)

ja, ja, mira que me he follado francesas, y tengo que decir que todavia no he encontrado a una que lo haga medianamente bien. Eso si, se sorprenden de lo grnade que la tengo...sera que por ahi no estais muy bien dotados...jeje

How does Slashdot feel about this? (3, Funny)

caston (711568) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526604)

How does Slashdot feel about this?

Slashdot has feelings? Next I am expected to give her flowers, say nice things and nibble her ear...

Re:How does Slashdot feel about this? (1)

psycht (233176) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526712)

Slashdot has feelings? Next I am expected to give her flowers, say nice things and nibble her ear...

I would, if the OP is that German girl from "Eurotrip [imdb.com] "... yum.

Re:How does Slashdot feel about this? (3, Funny)

rocjoe71 (545053) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526753)

...how predictable!

Try saying nice things about ears and nibble on the flowers instead.

Don't feel guilty (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526605)

When you download music. Illegal is not immoral. Better music than the dross the record companies push is available on www.iuma.com all nice and legal anyway.

I do find it ironic that people masquerading as capitalists come out with the ultra-socialist "it's important that creators are guaranteed compensation" when I"P" is discussed.

Re:Don't feel guilty (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526768)

Is it illegal in the same way that murder is illegal? Federal or civil? Will the police raid your home and take you away like they would a murderer? Or is it up to the copyright owner to sue you first?

Don't feel guilty they can afford it.

Situations like this... (4, Insightful)

Pidder (736678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526609)

Situations like this is why you shouldn't feel guilty about downloading "illegal" music.

Copy protection non-issue? (1)

Kupek (75469) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526611)

I haven't had a problem ripping any of the CDs I've purchased. Is it really that much of a problem?

Re:Copy protection non-issue? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526718)

Crippled CDs are much more common in Europe than the US and Canada for some reason. Still, they're not all of the CDs last time I checked and they can still be ripped with a little know-how.

-5 Troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526613)

In communist germany the music downloads you. (sorry had to)

Can't? (2, Informative)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526614)

The only way I see to use this device is to buy a CD, and if I can't rip it

Did they create a WORKING copy protection scheme yet? i.e. one you can't circumvent by shift key or just by using the CD under Linux???

40GB (1, Funny)

savagedome (742194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526615)

I recently bought the new iPod with 40GB

40GB with no access to legal music. Not that's gotta hurt. iPod mini might have been a good start ;)

Beware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526616)

It is illegal to rip but not share mp3s!

Here dude.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526617)

Give me your money and I'll send you "legal" mp3s

Screw the law! (0)

Mc_Anthony (181237) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526624)

Install a gnutella client, or e-mule and be done with it.

If you are really worried about the law, only download those songs you already own on CD.

Copy protection? (2, Insightful)

Mose250 (724946) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526626)

It seems like there's hardly a mode of copy protection that hasn't been broken - whether via sharpie or shift key, there's usually a way around these things.

Record off the radio... (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526627)

Last I checked, recording songs that are played off the radio is still fair use. Just hook any headset radio to the Line-in port of your sound card...

Re:Record off the radio... (1)

Yeshua (93307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526740)

Fair use as law doesn't always exist in countries outside the U.S., for example, here in Australia, we are technically not allowed to record anything off the radio, or off television. Also we can't make any copies of a CD to protect it etc.. We can make one copy of a cassette or vinyl record, as they are easily damaged.

However these laws are generally ignored both by the citizenry and police.

Fuck Em (1, Interesting)

Wehesheit (555256) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526628)

Buy the cd and download the unrestricted mp3's. Or just donate directly to the artist if you can, or buy some merchandise from their website. I was pissed when I bought my 10GB iPod and was unable to use iTunes in Canada.

Simple solution (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526631)

Move to US of A

Opsound (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526633)

You get them at http://opsound.org !

Licenced under Creative Commons licence...

hmm... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526634)

especially with the new EU resolution, this is an interesting prediicament..... luckily in canada i'm allowed (by law) to DL music

News Flash... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526637)

Face it, these "legal" mp3s are a real pain in the ass. Why deal with all of this legal bullshit when you can use kazaa? Recording companies you say? Modern-day versions of legal gestapo in germany? Pfff, the chance of getting your comp raided by those greedy bastards is almost 1/5 million+. Screw that restrictive Itunes shit, rip your own cds or use the not-so-legal p2p apps. Just my 2 cents.

Bad Business Model/Law? (1)

powerpuffgirls (758362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526640)

Does it mean that the current business models and laws are flawed? Or that 'other' consumers just have to put up with it until such time that it is legal to obtain the product?

Imagine if you want a Cuban cigar, but you can't get it in Canada, and nobody can sell it to Canada, should you try to smuggler some in, or wait for it to become available in your local friendly shop?

no one who speaks german could be evil (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526641)

There are relatively few cds with copy protection out right now. I suppose you think this is all the fault of the Jewish record executives, don't you? Maybe you are eyeing that French lawsuit against apple and feeling the itch to visit Paris in a tank - you know you want to.

Legal Issues (2, Interesting)

PktLoss (647983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526644)

To be honest, I would love to see a case where someone downloaded MP3s for CDs they owned end up in a non-american court (and hense free from the majority of direct RIAA lobying). Once you own the CD, fair use should give you the right to listening to it on your PC, discman, or other portable electronics, and as such you should be able to legally use whatever means are at your disposal.

Hopefully the precedent setting case would come down on the side of the consumet.

legal mp3s (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526651)

i get a bit tired of listenting to all the holier than thou itunes mess Ya just gotta learn to quit caring and savor the current internet for all you can....... usem while ya gottem.

www.allofmp3.com (5, Informative)

budmur (748602) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526652)

The fine folks over at Allofmp3.com [allofmp3.com] will sell you MP3s for a wide variety of artists. They don't seem to care what country your're in. As far as being legit, they say that they're registered with the Russian copyright authority and that they're authorized to sell what they're offering. I haven't heard about any independant verification of that, though.

Re:www.allofmp3.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526732)

Werd, I use allofmp3.com also, it is the easiest way. But i would really like to know the laws regarding it. I also like the fact that I can choosed the bitrate my songs get encoded in, and the average cost per album is like $.88 cents

Werd,
AnalogRithem

Get a decent ripper (2, Interesting)

tuxlove (316502) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526657)

Any decent CD ROM drive, paired with one of very many good ripper applications, can rip the CD regardless of any copy protection scheme. Just get yourself a good ripper and enjoy your music. The music labels want you to believe their copy protection schemes are more than just FUD, but they're not. They're useless and easily cirumvented by anyone willing to spend just a little time getting their environment optimized.

Re:Get a decent ripper (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526694)

Yep... if you can hear it thru your computer's cd-rom drive, you can rip it digitally... no matter what the copy-protection scheme is or ever will be.

Good place (2, Informative)

77Punker (673758) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526661)

muzik.agnula.org All of it is Creative Commons licensed music.

Re:Good place (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526745)

It's good to see more of these places cropping up.

Another good one is Magnatune [magnatune.com] , the "We are not evil" guys.

Now if only more artists would add content to places like this...

I use the following.... (5, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526663)

I use mp3search.ru [mp3search.ru] . They have a deal with the Russian equivalent of the RIAA, so these downloads SHOULD be legal where ever you are. They tend to have the CDs we in the US pay more for because there "imports". Lots of B side selections and remixes. Downloads are around 10 cents a song.

Legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526665)

1. Buy patent license from mp3licensing.com. Note that you must first become a company - they don't sell to end users. Consumers must go to Best Buy and pick up a copy of MP3 Encoder Pro(R) for Windows(R) for $29.95.

2. Obtain content. Sing into a microphone. /dev/urandom. Find "open music." You can't copy from a CD though.

3. Use lame. The license you buy allows you to use an "in-house" encoder. (which must be compiled to become an MP3 encoder)

Easy: CD-Audio (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526670)

I have yet to find a CD which protection cannot be defeated. Remember DMCA's only jurisdiction is USA (or at least it should be), so you are free to break the protection.

Chappelle's show!!! (1)

bangular (736791) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526672)

Chappelle's show demonstrated it best. The internet was a shopping mall. The legal pay music store was tiny with no selection. The free music was a giant store with a huge selection. Then Dave had some net sex, ashy larry was there too I think.

Damn foreigners ripping us off (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8526673)

Damn foreigners, always looking for a loophole. How about lowering the prices for BMW spare parts first?

RIAA is monitoring this thread, by the way, so post all you desire.

mp3.com and similar (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526674)

mp3.com is gone... but I'm sure there are some similar sites out there. The music isn't the same as in the stores, but much of it was good. Anyone got suggestions (bonus points to those who find good non-RIAA sites).

I personally have a collection of about 3GB worth of music including alternative/rock/etc, techno/trance, darkwave, and some old amiga stuff. I believe most of it is free to distribute in a not-for-profit manner (old mp3.com stuff)... contact me if interested (and if you like some of it, but the CD for a friend).

Hrm... (1)

ferralis (736358) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526677)

How likely are you to get ambushed by RIAA (or European equivalent) goons?

Since you aren't planning to distribute the MP3's, IMHO you are ethically free to record them again in the medium of your choice.

So- obtain a (legal) copy of software than can record from your sound card's Line In jack, then play the CD into it, convert the stream to MP3, then save it on your device. This way (passing through an analogue phase) you loose a tiny bit of quality but effectively strip copy protection.

That is, of course, if your question is as it seems. If instead you're trying to point out how stupid and counterproductive [riaa.com] such things as the DMCA and its ilk are, I wholeheartedly agree, but you're preaching to the choir (as no doubt the other responses will confirm).

Good luck and happy listening!

It's simple, really... (1)

Heissenbuttel (751568) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526678)

Have someone in the States buy you an iTunes Gift card. The only requirement is that the billing address for the ITMS is a US address. You should have no problems using the gift card outside the US.

Alternatively, buy iTunes/Pepsi codes or gift cards from eBay.

This is the problem (5, Insightful)

Rexz (724700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526679)

Any answer there is to this question will be at the best unobvious and at the worst massively convoluted. If the average consumer wants to use their digital technology effectively, they have no choice but to break the law. The lack of insight that has brought about this situation is the primary reason that the music industry is seeing such a massive downturn: it's the financial results of a cultural backlash against narrow-minded profiteering.

Shouldn't you ask the Apple people? (3, Insightful)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526680)

I seriously wonder what they would say.

You have a device and nothing to fill it with. You ask them for songs and they tell you...what? Encourage you to break the law?

Digital Downloads at Amazon.com (1)

angst_ridden_hipster (23104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526686)

I know they're questionable due to privacy and patent concerns, but they have a lot of music you can buy for download.

What's more, they have a lot of music you can legally download for free.

You're not going to find Top-10 and latest releases there, but there's at least a start...

Re:Digital Downloads at Amazon.com (1)

angst_ridden_hipster (23104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526710)

Forgot to add in a good reference page:

http://mp3.about.com/cs/buymp3music/

They list a lot of places where you can buy music in MP3 format.

Civil Disobedience (1)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526693)

Do what you feel is morally right and damn the torpedos.

Hmm (1, Offtopic)

pclminion (145572) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526696)

Sounds to me like American music companies aren't really interested in selling you their music. So why are you so eager to give them money for it?

Why not listen to German music? Why is everyone so hooked on the (utter shit) music that comes churning out of American record labels like so much cat vomit...

Piracy is king in Venezuela (1)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526699)

You can get cd's on the newspaper on even in street corners. Price is like 0.5-1$

Sometimes you get a "mp3 cd", so audiophiles can notice the decrease in quality

emusic (2)

FrkyD (545855) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526704)

they don't restrict your use, will sell to people outside of the U.S. and have a decent selection of non-U.S. artists. Of course, if you are looking for Bravo Charts or something from the Dome you are most likely SOL. If you are more into the types of music on the soundtrack to Herr Lehmann [uncut.at] , you should feel right at home.

Count youself lucky (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526705)

In Australia you aren't allowed to create an mp3 from a non-protected audio CD that you own. Or copy your CD to a tape for playing in the car.

Of course there are ipod ads on TV and mp3 players can be bought everywhere a portable CD player can.

Simple solution... (1)

J-B0nd (682712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526707)

"I believe there are more people like me out there who want to listen to their music, without feeling guilty."

It's easy, just don't feel guilty about downloading music. The music companies are screwing over consumers and artists alike, and have been for years. Download the music you like, and support the artists more directly by going to see concerts when they are in town, buying T-Shirts, etc.

Read c't (2, Informative)

Quo_R (734198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526709)

The mentioned magazine c't actually has a test of like 8 or 10 legal online music stores which are accessible from within Germany in its current issue..

How about Bleep.com? (2, Insightful)

Yer Mum (570034) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526716)

100% legal MP3s, but you'd better like the music on the Warp (as it only sells that label's catalogue).

bleep.com (2, Informative)

ydnar (946) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526725)

Warp Records entire catalog, including rare and out-of-print, and vinyl-only stuff available at Bleep.com [bleep.com] .

Good quality VBR, and whole-song preview too.

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Why not just record it (1)

cyril3 (522783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526734)

Even if I decide to buy a legacy audio CD, it is often copy-protected and won't load in my PC

Just record the CD from a player through your sound card and then compress to mp3.

In most cases the listener will not be aware that the track wasn't ripped digitally from a CD. Its not like there are artifacts in the recorded sound like there were in the viynl days.

In fact with a good turntable most people can't tell the difference between a ripped cd and a recorded lp.

But in your case, yeah just record the cd and compress.

It's probably impossible (1)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526739)

Then again, it's impossible to do plenty of fair use things without breaking the law. Need a backup of your favourite CD for when it gets scratched? Oh no you can't! That DVD? Forget it.

Welcome to the free market - enjoy your stay. And don't get caught.

bleep.com (1)

gasgesgos (603192) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526746)

If you're looking for anything on warp records [warprecords.com] , check out bleep.com [bleep.com] ...
They don't have any international restrictions...
Of course, don't go there expecting anything too mainstream. But, it's still an option for non-American music downloaders...

That's what you get... (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526750)

for buying an iPod. You should have researched this before buying it, then you would have realized what an annoying situation the whole music industry is.

The simplest solution is to not buy any music, ever. Plenty of local bands make great music as a hobby rather than as a way of supporting themselves.

I guess it boils down to whether you'd rather support artistic expression or big business.

Try Magnatune (2, Interesting)

kfishy (534087) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526762)

Magnatune [magnatune.com] is a record company that offer music licensed in the Creative Commons license. You are able to hear the music before you buy.

Granted, it doesn't have Britney Spears or Moby, but you may be surprised at what you can find there.

Whats the problem (2, Insightful)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526764)

"I believe there are more people like me out there who want to listen to their music, without feeling guilty. Why is there no one meeting this demand? "

Ok....so nobody is meeting this demand. I have two suggestions. Either try to start such a service that DOES meet those demands, and hopefully profit off it while you get your music fix, or just go ahead and break some laws. How can you feel guilty if they offer you no legal option for getting your music this way? You really have no alternative, so there is no reason to feel guilty, especially after you have decided you want to do things legally, and they have failed to provide you with a way to do so.

Before I get people giving me arguments about things like "well, I wanted them to give me a way to smoke pot legally, but they failed to provide me a way to do so", I would just like to state that this isn't an issue about whether you can use something or not, this is a format issue and a license issue, which is quite different.

Answer don't feel guilty (2, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526767)

In certain american states the record companies had to pay fines for price fixing. Since the same prices apply in europe this means the same price fixing is going on overhere just that our legal system is as bought and sold as the american states that did not pursue this.

I don't know about germany but in holland it is a legal right to make a copy. Copy protection denies that right so again it is the music industry that is acting against the law.

So why should I feel guilty when I download music?

Asnswer I don't. Poor musicians starving to death? Awh, best artists in history were poor. I am doing art a favor. I didn't see music artist protest when changing technology made miners unemployed or when thousands of factory workers lost their jobs to robots.

For years people have been making suggestions of how the music industry could easily sell its entire catalog without the expense of keeping cd's in stock by burning on demand. They didn't want it. Voting with your wallet is the only thing that works. Any who buy copyrighted cd's and then jump through hoops to get it to work on their player are pawns. You are sending the message that the current business model is fine with you.

Since in holland you pay a tax on dvd's and cassetes anyway that goes to the music industry I see that as my payment. No more wrong then them getting money for my linux install cd's.

hmm... (1)

jimmyCarter (56088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526770)

It sounds incredible, but even after hours of research on the web, I don't see a legal way to use this device with new songs.

Perhaps this research should have taken place before you shelled out the money for your new iPod? :)

Not Exactly a Solution, But... (3, Insightful)

Flamingcheeze (737589) | more than 10 years ago | (#8526775)

... I've succesfully (and legally) avoided spending any money on music for months, while downloading hundreds of new artists and songs. I've just been scouring for free downloads from artists' websites, etc.

One of my favorite sites is Epitonic.com [epitonic.com] . I've found so many great artists there...

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