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Motorola Readies Music-oriented Linux Mobile Phone

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the camera-action dept.

Handhelds 101

An anonymous reader writes "Motorola has announced several new multimedia-enabled mobile phones supporting music and video playback, including one new device based on embedded Linux, according to LinuxDevices.com. The Linux-based Motorola E680 could see US distribution, making it the first of Motorola's Linux-based mobile phones available outside the far East. The E680 will include multimedia playback software supporting a variety of formats, including MP3 audio, MPEG4 video, and RealPlayer multimedia content." The article notes: "Motorola's previous Linux-based phones have been based on MontaVista Linux, and have used the Qt/Embedded graphical application framework."

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FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530346)

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Windows is hated by no one?! (-1)

users.pl (689022) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530387)

windows (452268) [slashdot.org] is hated by no one?!

It is your duty as a Slashdot reader to officially and formally hate windows. [slashdot.org] Slashdot is impure until windows' freaks outnumber it's fans! Strike down this vile evil corporate monster today! Show it how much you hate it. Do Slashdot a favor and bloat windows' freaks [slashdot.org] list!

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Zondar (32904) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530348)

mobile phone fscks YOU!

Replacement for iPod? (3, Insightful)

ValourX (677178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530357)

Maybe this phone can replace the iPod, being that you can receive phone calls on it as well. I wonder how many songs it can hold and what the interface is like for playing music?

If I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars on a little electronic gadget, I'd like it to do more than just play MP3s. This device might get me to spend that kind of money... and I don't have to be embarrased by an Apple logo on it.

-Jem

Re:Replacement for iPod? (2, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530369)

If I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars on a little electronic gadget, I'd like it to do more than just play MP3s. This device might get me to spend that kind of money... and I don't have to be embarrased by an Apple logo on it.

But not least of all, it'll presumably have a battery you can actually replace yourself.

Re:Replacement for iPod? (5, Informative)

jetfuel (755102) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530383)

Apple will replace your iPod battery for free if it's under warranty. If not they charge $99. If you want to install it yourself, you can buy one [google.com] and do so.

Re:Replacement for iPod? (4, Informative)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530378)

I wonder how many songs it can hold

As many as you can fit onto a SD card... No built-in hard drive, so it's not much of a challenger for the iPod.

Hard Drive? (1)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531172)

When, oh when are these types of gadgets (PDAs , "Smart Phones", etc.) going to start coming out with a hard drive? Hell, just put in a CF II slot and get the 4GB Microdive price down.

Of course, 40GB would be better...

Re:Replacement for iPod? (4, Interesting)

Shisha (145964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530482)

I doubt if this will replace iPod, but I'm definitely looking forward to checking this little toy out. I was eligible for a free phone upgrade almost a year ago, but back then none of the devices really caught my attention and my old Sony CMD-J6 is still working just fine.

According to this article www.mobil.cz [idnes.cz] it should be on sale in the Czech Republic (sorry article in Czech, but this is the only intresting piece of info). So this makes me believe it should be available in Europe as well.

For me the ultimate issues will be battery life and the ability to synchronise with kde-pim tools. We'll see how it works out. The fact that it's running Linux is definitely a good start. The question is how "open" will it be, e.g. whether it'll be possible to use, say perl, to read the internal database, add the length of calls and do an accurate analysis of how much money I'm spending etc.

What GSM frequencies does the E680 support? (0)

motown (178312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530510)



So this makes me believe it should be available in Europe as well.

Does anybody here know what GSM frequencies this phone will support?

I assume it's going to be a GSM phone, since the article talks about GPRS support.

But I can't find anything on future plans to release this phone in Europe.

Will this be a tri-band or quad-band phone, allowing for international roaming?

Oh well, I shouldn't complain. I bought a Nokia 6600 a few weeks ago. :-)

iPod replacement? (4, Insightful)

Talez (468021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530506)

Unless a 15G SD card suddenly becomes cheaper than $299 minus the price of this phone I don't really see this phone being an iPod replacement.

Re:Replacement for iPod? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530700)

Oh great, now they can r00t my cell phone too. I just hope they dont force it to play rap music.

Uh oh.. (3, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530363)

.. so I'm guessing we can look forward to even more incomprehensible 'My Moto' adverts. My money's on a sheep with an afro on roller skates dancing to the birdie song in an open air club on top of a skyscraper.

Re:Uh oh.. (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530809)

Sorry - I thought you said *more incomprehensible*...

WiFi (4, Interesting)

Underholdning (758194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530365)

With built-in webbrowser and email client this would be a killer gizmo if it supported WiFi. Since the device supports SD cards, you could buy a Wifi SD card [google.com] , but I'd prefer if it was integrated from start.

Re:WiFi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530484)

Wireless USB, and a 200 GB laptop HD + Wireless USB +battery pack. That would be the Shnizzat. Or in near ebonics: Damn skippy.

Phone operating systems (3, Interesting)

gazbo (517111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530366)

I've had nothing but trouble with phone software due to bad design (and the fact that the testers clearly don't actually try to use the product). Perhaps if based on a solid, well documented OS like Linux it will open the door for people to hack the code and fix all those niggling bugs.

I for one am getting pissed of at the way on my phone, if I get a call when writing a text message, all my text gets deleted.

Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530367)

Walking along like this, alone, down these backalley store crowded streets, makes me feel - not really empty but missing something. Some sort of purpose. And the rain just makes it worse. There's this store I always go into. One of these throwbacks to mysticism and voodoo and black magic. All sorts of weird shit. Cards, stones, boxes, sand. All of it part of that underground sub-culture of mystics and believers. I don't really believe in much but fortune and destiny. Not that your life was mapped out by some all-powerful being, but that it's got a course set, just like all the other times you've lived your life. No one MADE it, but it's there, and no matter what you do, you end up going from point A to point B through course C and there's nothing you can do but live it. And some people have fortunate lives and some people have shitty lives. . . Mine's been pretty fortunate.

So I go into this store. It doesn't really have a name, it's just sort of THERE. The woman who owns it knows me by name now. Her name's Dorothy, really sweet. Always helpful. She's given me some great deals on stuff and taught me a lot about the cultures whose merchandise she sells. Well today, I walk in and she's got this odd smile on her face. Something's up. I mean, she's never cheated me or done anything illegal, but she's creeping me out today. "Hey Dorothy. How are you doing?"

"Oh, I'm fine dear. I've just bought something incredible. I think you'll like it. See if you can find it." She liked to do this a lot; tell me that I'd like something and make me look for it. All of it has been incredibly cool. So I wander around the tables and shelves along the walls. I see something moving out of the corner or my eye. Some sort of fluid, quick movement. Like the way a cat's tail swishes in the sunlight. I turn my head and see this brass canary cage. There's no swing in it, but instead, some rocks and a small box. Sitting on the box is a tiny devil, not more than 4 inches tall. He has a thin, pointed tail and delicate ebony horns. They remind me of the pincers on an earwig. Threatening like that. Sharp. He's rather handsome, muscular. Sinuous tendons, body like a dancer. I wondered what it would be like if I were 4 inches tall and kissed him. Would his tongue feel like fire? Would it be passionate? Would he fuck me like a purely evil beast? . . . God, what am I THINKING?! Jesus, I think he's getting to me. . . No, this can't be real. There's not such things as devils or gods or pushing your will on others. It's all mind fucking. Smoke and mirrors.

"He's beautiful Dorothy. Is he, I mean, is he real? He doesn't seem mechanical or anything."

"Oh, he's real. Very real. I picked him out myself. I knew you'd like him."

"Well how much? He must be awfully expensive. I couldn't imagine putting a price on a living BEING."

"Why not, we do it with animals." She had a point.

"Yes, but, well, he's so human." He had been sitting on a rock but now he stood up. He had a twisted black staff, almost like a toothpick. He climbed up onto the box in the middle of the cage and banged the staff down. It made a small tapping sound, but the way he stood and the way he held it made it seem like a loud echoing boom.

"I'm NOT a fuckin' pet. You tell that bitch to let me out of here before I rip her balls off with my teeth." His voice was raspy and deep. Not what you'd expect from such a tiny creature. It was almost erotic in a way. And yet smooth, as of from wine. His skin was that color. Like sweet red wine. . . Snap out of it. Jesus. "Jesus has nothing to do with it honey."

"I'm sorry?"

He looked up at me. Eyes like black holes, eerie. "I said Jesus has nothing to do with it."

"Don't mind him, he likes to play with people." Dorothy yelled from over by the counter. "I hear him in my mind too." She paused for a second, then her tone changed. "You like him, don't you? He's yours, you know. 20 dollars."

"20 dollars, are you serious?"

"I'm worth WELL over that, bitch. Man, cheap ass whore." The devil mumbled.

"Well, do you WANT to pay more dear?" How could I pass this up? A whole devil. All mine. I wondered if he had any powers and if he did, could he pass them on to me?

"Alright then. I'll take him." I picked the cage up in both hands so it wouldn't move around much.

"Damn straight you'll take me. You'd have to be a fuckin' moron to pass this up baby." And he thumped his fist against his naked chest. He wasn't wearing much. Just a black, velvety robe.

* * *

When I got home, I set the cage on my kitchen table. I felt giddy and excited. This was the buy of the century. "Let me out of here bitch. I hate this fuckin' cage. And these damn rocks. I need luxury. I need leather and silk and velvet and cashmere." "Are you always so rude?" I opened the cage door and he sauntered out tapping his staff along as he went. "Why couldn't you open the cage on your own? I mean, you have some sort of POWERS, right?"

"Yes, I'm always so rude, and yes, I do have powers. . . when I'm FREE. In captivity, well, I'm mortal. . . Now watch this." I stood back. He stretched his arms out and tilted his head back and soon began to levitate as if pulled from a string attached to his chest. He floated off the table so he was hovering above the floor in front of me. It was hard to tell, but it looked like he was becoming translucent. Like smoke. And then he WAS smoke. It began to dance and grow, until it was a thin stream coming from the floor to 6 feet above it. Then the smoke spread out and solidified and there the devil stood. All his 4 inch glory there towering above me. God, he was even more beautiful this size. His skin tight and glistening, his horns perfect and reflective. His eyes had lava and sin in them.

He grabbed me by the back of my neck and kissed me as I had never been kissed before. His tongue tasted like wine and sex and sent a flame of passion down my spine. I wanted him. I knew that now. I wanted him to ravish me and devour me. Whole. Alive. "Fuck me." I murmured, and he did. I screamed and moaned and begged for salvation. A steady stream of curses passed my lips and then he pierced me, past all barriers, past the edge, past the hard ground and down into the fiery depths of hell. It was pure untainted madness. I clenched my teeth until my gums bled and then I screamed at decibel levels off every scale.

I was left in a sweating pile of spent flesh and pleasure. Panting and broken. His serpentine tongue flicked out to paint my neck in glistening white wine and I slept for decades it seemed.

* * *

It went on like this for days. We fucked in the morning, in the afternoon, and in the evening. I finally quit my job. I began to drink heavily and often. And my skin tone darkened with every thrust of his evil cock. My days were spent in hate and contempt. When I went out, I glared at every passerby and muttered foul curses of disgust. I was angry at the world. I even hated God. I vomited when I stepped into church and great flashes of pain coursed through me with the mention of the Lord, God, angels, or heaven. Holy my ass. It was all bullshit. God was a hypocritical, egotistical son of a bitch. I spit on cathedral steps and took the Lord's name in vain every chance I had.

* * *

Soon I had my own tail and horns began to spout from my head. My hair darkened to a satanic black. I didn't need to eat anymore. I only craved carnal pleasure. I laughed at hatred and grew with every evil deed I witnessed. And the sex got better. I didn't bother with clothing anymore since I spent most of the day naked and pressed against my love.

"Juliet," my love grumbled in his endlessly deep voice, "I want to test your powers. Come with me." I followed him to where his old brass cage sat on the bookshelf. It still contained the rocks and the small box. "Do as I do. Spread your arms like a great eagle and think of nothing." I did so. His finger tips touched mine and soon I felt nothing at all. . . I heard his voice in my mind. "Collapse and open your eyes." When I did, I felt small and insignificant. Inferior to my surroundings only to find out that I WAS. My love flew into the cage and I followed him until we stood hand in hand inside the small brass cage.

"You did it darling, I'm so proud of you." He kissed me and stroked my face. "Now I must leave you." He disappeared then and the door on the cage slammed shut. My love reappeared outside the cage in his 6 foot splendor. He was pale now. Almost white. His hair brown. he looked. . . ordinary. Plain.

"My love, what's happened to you?" He laughed and told me to shut up. That I was the pet now.

* * *

Satan paid my love with a higher rank and sent him out to the streets to work. Then he put me on the shelf where I had originally found my love. I cursed at him as he morphed into Dorothy. His aura was slick with superiority and torture. "Keep your mouth shut bitch. You'll get yours soon enough."

Yes, but does it run Windows? (4, Funny)

MrRTFM (740877) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530370)

Hey - I'm kidding!!!
Seriously, this is getting closer to what I call my dream mobile device. I was hanging back until they had decent memory and connectivety - and I'd also like the other bells and whistles, but this is pretty cool.
(People always bag out the FM radio, but it is *really* nice if you have to get a bus/train to work for an hour each day)

Sco Licensing - backup plan (-1, Offtopic)

jcasey (264935) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530373)

In anticipation of legal action from SCO, a Windows CE version will be released sometime during Q4. The CE version is prone to email worms, buffer overflows, lock-ups and bluescreens however the cost of licensing is predictable! A Windows Update feature will be added in order to ensure that consumers will purchase newer phones after a few years worth of security patches, bug fixes, and useless addons.

Hello Moto ! (3, Interesting)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530377)

It looks like motorolla are improving with age. I've had issues motorolla's in the past and found the interfaces to be quite clunky, although one or two are quite nice design wise. So I've pretty much stuck with Nokia, (I quite like symbian). The new batch of Motorolla's are looking quite nice, I might try one out, and also I'd like to support linux on an embedded platform anyway.

Re:Hello Moto ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530589)

One L. No apostrophes. Jesus, go back to elementary school you illiterate fuck.

Why is SD popular? (4, Interesting)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530385)

Can anyone tell me why SD cards are popular? Or for that matter, why CF hasn't taken over completely... SD may be really small, but I've never heard anybody complain that their CF card was too big.

Also, CF cards have a HUGE advantage in being about half as expensive, per-capacity. Just wondering, why not CF everywhere?

Re:Why is SD popular? (4, Informative)

dabadab (126782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530407)

Well, it's size, really. Phone manufacturers are really trying their best to make the phones as small and light as possible, and CF's size and weight is a real impediment in this effort.
It seems now that the trend is:
Small, light gizmos: SD/MMC (or even xD)
More robust gizmos: CF Type I
Pro stuff: CF Type II

Re:Why is SD popular? (0)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530436)

Wish i had one of each here with me, but alas, everything's at home. is there that much of a weight difference? i really can't imagine it being more than a gram or two. size, sure, but i'm not so sure about weight.

Re:Why is SD popular? (3, Informative)

dabadab (126782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530500)

I guess the difference is something like 10g (guesswork based on how much my Diva mp3 player and a 128MB CF weighs) - and in the era of sub-100g phones that is a lot.

Re:Why is SD popular? (1)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8534777)

There is a new type of phone memory soon to be released, T-Flash ( http://www.sandisk.com/corporate_press.html ). I for one am disappointed as I already have devices using CF, SD, and Memory Stick media, last thing I need is another type. The Motorola 710 for Verizon is rumored to use T-Flash.

non magnetic media (1)

sh0rtie (455432) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530739)

i dunno having a high precision spinning lump of magnetised iron that can be rendered totally useless if you encounter a magnetic field (very common in modern life, think loudspeakers, motors,fridges,microwaves,cars etc) just seems as if its asking for trouble really, especially in a mobile device

solidstate while not perfect (max writes is quite low and size is expensive) is a far more durable medium , its silent , its faster than a hard drive, its small, no microscopic moving parts to go wrong, no weird gyroscope effects due to having a spinning wheel at 4000rpm when you move it (ie players) its well suited for mobile storage, i can see why its popular

i think perhaps its not used everywhere though because of the size/price/reliability ratio, spinning iron is so much cheaper but has all the disadvantages

i have a 256kb cfcard on my desk from 95 and now we can get 512mb and 1gb cards so the size is getting there, just not as quick or as cheap as magnetic media
when 1gb will only fit 3 mp3 albums and 1 DivX movie that 300$ card seems rather expensive compared to the spinning lump way

Re:non magnetic media (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8540403)

having a high precision spinning lump of magnetised iron that can be render [...] just seems as if its asking for trouble really, especially in a mobile device

Ummm, CompactFlash cards ARE solid-state devices, and don't have any moving parts. You're probably thinking about IBM's MicroDrive, which comes in a CF type2 form factor, but I wasn't talking about that at all.

Re:Why is SD popular? (1)

coppice (546158) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531859)

It really is size. Look at the iPAQs. The 5xxx models, which take a CF card, are a lot bigger than models like the 4150 which only takes SD. Try comparing those two and see if you could work out a way to make the 4150 have a CF slot without ending up as chunk as the 5xxx.

GPL issues (4, Interesting)

Pivot (4465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530396)

What happens when the firmware for these phones are distributed to someone, eg service technicians? Shouldn't they be allowed to redistribute? And shouldn't they be able request and receive the source to the binaries as well?

Re:GPL issues (4, Insightful)

The Wicked Priest (632846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530422)

Just distributing the firmware to customers, as part of the phone, is enough to invoke the GPL. But your question -- forgive me if I'm misinterpreting -- seems to be assuming something not in evidence: that this will somehow be a problem, or that Motorola isn't intending to comply with the GPL.

Of course, there may also be (and probably will be) non-GPL'd apps running on this Linux base. I don't expect to see a truly "open phone". But (at least until the event) I'm not expecting GPL violations, either.

Re:GPL issues (1)

kwpulliam (691406) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530742)

The aspect to look at it is, "Will GPL compliance even GET you anything in this instance"

Here's a hypothetical - Motorola uses GPL software in this phone. M make available source code and binaries on its website. M also has a Bios on the Phone that allows it to ONLY load SIGNED binaries. M will be in GPL compliance, and code changes ill be given back to the community, but YOU can't load your hacked software into the phone.

Just my thoughts

Re:GPL issues (1)

The Wicked Priest (632846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8549422)

Yeah, that's exactly what Tivo does (though there are ways around the signature checking, in that instance). :-( It certainly goes against the spirit of the GPL, if not the letter.

Re:GPL issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530851)

GPL doesn't really apply to Motorola in this case. They are simply taking software from Montavista. Montavista is the one you should ask about GPL compliance.

Re:GPL issues (1)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 10 years ago | (#8534340)

GPL doesn't really apply to Motorola in this case. They are simply taking software from Montavista. Montavista is the one you should ask about GPL compliance.

Um, did Linus change his name to Montavista and start selling proprietary versions of Linux (with permission of all his contributors)?

Did someone somehow write a Linux clone from scratch without using any of the original code?

If neither of those has occurred, GPL compliance will be required or Motorola will be in violation of Linus' (and others') copyrights.

Re:GPL issues (1)

Pivot (4465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531512)

One thing I'd like to see are drivers for Secure Digital cards. None currently exist for Linux. If Motorola embeds such a driver in the kernel or as a binary module, they have to release the source code for it.

Re:GPL issues (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8532278)

The problem with SD drivers is that the SD Association prohibits distribution of source code for the drivers.

It's been the same issue for the Zaurus - binary-only SD drivers.

MMC drivers, OTOH, are available, but SD, no. (SD and MMC are different specs - SD cards are physically bigger, have more pins, and the write protect switch.) It's all due to the "Secure" part that 99% of the devices out there do not use (honestly, I've only seen a Panasonic MP3 player do that). (99% of said devuces use SD cards are larger memory - easier to fit in 1GB of flash in SD than MMC because of the physical size difference).

Of course, this can have interesting GPL issues...

When will it hit the market actually? (4, Interesting)

wehe (135130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530400)

The question with these Linux based mobile phones is: when will it reach the market eventually? Some nice mobile Linux toys have been announced in the past, but have never become available. See this survey about Linux on or with mobile cellular phones [tuxmobil.org] for details.

Changing my mind on all-in-one devices.. (5, Insightful)

xxx_Birdman_xxx (676056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530419)

I used to be a little against devices trying to do everything, due to poor battery life, size etc... But now that battery life is much better than it used to be, a device similar to this one could end up being perfect for someone like me:
A uni student who does a lot of travelling, listens to tons of music, and normally walks around with a diskman in one pocket, a backpack with a large diary and a mobile on my belt.

Running for the bus with crap flying out of your pockets or flinging around, hitting you in the privates is not a good way to start the day..
-Ryan

Re:Changing my mind on all-in-one devices.. (0, Offtopic)

squaretorus (459130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530555)

A mobile on your belt?? Thats SO 1990s!!

You want to have it rolling around in your bag so that your always missing calls and dialling emergency services by mistake.

At least thats what my GF does

Re:Changing my mind on all-in-one devices.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530651)

... with a large diary...

Dude, at least call it a Journal.

Better phone (3, Interesting)

willpost (449227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530437)

I'm going to wait until the Motorola MPx comes out.

-horizontal or vertical alignment
-Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Tri-band GSM/GPRS
-64MB of built in RAM
-SD slot up to 1GB
-320x240 2.8 inch screen
-1.3 MP integrated camera
-QWERTY layout keyboard

It's not Linux but it looks way cool:
Phone 1 [penny-arcade.com]
Phone 2 [penny-arcade.com]
Phone 3 [penny-arcade.com]

Thanks PennyArcade [penny-arcade.com]
Bargain PDA [bargainpda.com]

Re:Better phone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530574)

"It does not run linux"

Thats a mild way of saying It runs microshit windows CE.

Please be my guest and support the borgification of all IT industry by waiting for that device.

Re:Better phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530789)

I'm not going to bite, troll, but I will ask this:

What resources do Slashdot folks know of regarding installation of Linux on top of Pocket PC devices? I found Familiar [handhelds.org] with a quick google, any others out there?

Re:Better phone (1)

twaltari (217837) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531402)

> It's not Linux but it looks way cool:

It looks really ugly to me.

Small problem with this phone (5, Interesting)

wyeap (198122) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530444)

How do you dial '1' with it?

http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/mot-e680- bi g.jpg

Re:Small problem with this phone (1, Funny)

xxx_Birdman_xxx (676056) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530461)

easy.
switch to a console!
Real geeks dont use user interfaces! :-)

Re:Small problem with this phone (1, Funny)

whovian (107062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530532)

Funny, +1.

Here's a replacement link [linuxdevices.com] since the original link gives a 403 error. Hint: Study the picture carefully.

Re:Small problem with this phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8531465)

Go to calculator, do 3-2, copy result, paste in the dialing window. There, problem solved.

reminds me of the Dilbert strip... (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8533385)



Reminds me of the Dilbert where the engineers are trying to one-up each other talking about previous years of assembly programming. One guy finally says, "Well back in my day, we had to program using ones and zeros. And sometimes we didn't even have ones!"

Re:Small problem with this phone (1)

mre5565 (305546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8537700)

If you look more closely, you'll that '0' is on
the keypad twice. This is obviously a mock up.

Phone or a PC? (4, Interesting)

myownkidney (761203) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530467)

The line between handhel PCs and Mobile telephony devices is becoming ever narrower. (Read more here) My Laptop can dial out using a PCMCIA card... does that make my Laptop a Mobile Phone?

My Phone, on the other hand, is far more powerful as a PC compared to the Desktops I used merely 5 years ago. So does that make my Mobile Phone a PC?

I think as this line gets blurrier and blurrier, one shouldn't be amazed at all the cool things the latest Handsets can perform. And as more and more devices are turning out to be more Computer-like, it shouldn't be too far in the future when you can use your Washing Machine to make a phone call.

Re:Phone or a PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530806)

It's more likely that phones will kill stand-alone PDAs. Especially in many countries in Europe and Asia, a majority of the population are already always carrying a cell phone. Last year global cell phones amounted to about 500M (PDAs are around 12M, PCs around 160M). The majority may still be only used as phones, but all of them already have at least a basic address book, scheduler and some games built in.

In the future, more and more functionality will be integrated. They may not perform as well as standalone devices now, but they are getting better, and the huge advantage is that people bring them everywhere. Few people carry a music/media player, camera, gameboy with them all the time. I guess somewhere in the future, most people will have a powerful (SFF or laptop?) PC at home. Some people will also bring a laptop everywhere. But the majority will carry a phone/communication device + address book/day planner/notepad + camera + music/video player/recorder + radio + gameboy + mini general purpose computer, all in one device.

I'm just wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8532539)

...how the hell am I going to carry my washing machine with me in my pocket?

Phone or PC (-1, Redundant)

myownkidney (761203) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530475)

The line between handhel PCs and Mobile telephony devices is becoming ever narrower. (Read more here) [mithuro.com] My Laptop can dial out using a PCMCIA card... does that make my Laptop a Mobile Phone?

My Phone, on the other hand, is far more powerful as a PC compared to the Desktops I used merely 5 years ago. So does that make my Mobile Phone a PC?

I think as this line gets blurrier and blurrier, one shouldn't be amazed at all the cool things the latest Handsets can perform. And as more and more devices are turning out to be more Computer-like, it shouldn't be too far in the future when you can use your Washing Machine to make a phone call.

ATTENTION MODS: OBVIOUS DUPLICATE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530663)

This is a blatant cut'n'paste of a previous post. Please mod down accordingly.

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=100038&cid=8 53 0467

Great, so where is the source? (5, Interesting)

andersen (10283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530477)

I'm happy to see Linux being used on all sorts of devices, but I am also very concerned that they fulfil their obligations for the GPL'd source in their device. So where is the source? I grow tired of getting at least 1-2 emails per week about some new router or wireless access point or whatever that is violating the GPL distributing BusyBox with no source and no offer for source. So I truly hope Motorola is behaving itself and doing what it is legally obligated to do. I've searched their site but I see nothing but press releases. Has anyone obtained one of these phones? If you have, can you confirm whether Motorola is fulfilling their obligations per the GPL?

Re:Great, so where is the source? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530857)

I own an a760 (Moto's first Linux phone) and in the manual it says you can order a copy of the source (from a Chinese address if I remember correctly).

Don't know if this is enough to comply with the GPL - they make the source available, but only to people who manage to somehow get past the Chinese postal system :-)

Re:Great, so where is the source? (2, Informative)

TEB_78 (748262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530976)

That's enough.

From the GPL:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

Re:Great, so where is the source? (1)

TEB_78 (748262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530942)

Who says they need to give out a new source? As I have understood, the GPL doesn't as long as they haven't changed anything in the kernel. If they use MonteVistas version which propably are already ported for the processor they are using, they don't need to change anything. And you can download it yourself at MonteVistas site.
They can have all the interesting software in userspace, which don't need to be GPL.

If I've gotten anything wrong I'm sure enough people here will inform me about it

Re:Great, so where is the source? (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531896)

Not true. If you distribute the binary, you are responsible for making the source available to the recipient. It's not enough to link to someone else's website; you must provide the source on request.

Re:Great, so where is the source? (1)

TEB_78 (748262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8540879)

Ok, thanx for correcting me :)

Terrorism sucks! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530505)

My girlfriend was about to die today in Madrid. Luckily University was in strike...

FUCK ETA, AL-QAEDA or whoever did that!!!

Re:Terrorism sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530611)

you can mod it OFFTOPIC, but Troll????? WTF!!

Completely Off-Topic Sort Of (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530513)

George Michael has made his last album. All of his new music will be available freely on the Internet [bbc.co.uk] with voluntary donations going to charity.

Re:Completely Off-Topic Sort Of (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530518)

Sheesh! , is that the only way he can bet people to listen to his homosexual tunes?

Re:Completely Off-Topic Sort Of (-1, Offtopic)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530537)

George Michael could turn up on my doorstep with his entire back catalogue of CDs signed is his own blood and hand me the keys to a brand new Ferrari and I still wouldn't play his music!

Sure, I'd take the Ferrari but as I wheelspun away up the road leaving George in a cloud of dust, it would be AC/DC's "Back In Black" blaring on the car stereo, not "Careless Whisper"...

Re:Completely Off-Topic Sort Of (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530559)

Indeed, but maybe more artistes will follow suit? Eventually, some of the good ones might do it.

Re:Completely Off-Topic Sort Of (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530569)

Well, -1 Offtopic is better than Rejected. At least some people get to see it.

It won't last (-1, Troll)

Air-conditioned cowh (552882) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530534)

Not with that Microsofty in Motorola's IT department I keep seeing adverts for.

No doubt he will order the destruction of any Linux based development kits as a "security risk" :-O

A question for the embedded geeks.. (4, Interesting)

irexe (567524) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530552)

The obvious coolness of a Linux-kernel in your pocket aside, can somebody shed some light on why a phone needs a multi-user, multithreaded OS with virtual- and protected memory? I'm guessing most of these features get ripped out for embedded use, right? Isn't a linux kernel overkill on a phone then?

Note: I'm not trolling here, I'm genuinely curious. Educate me please :-)

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (1)

narkotix (576944) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530572)

you never know when you may need to have an xserver on your mobile or run a large website with a database! :P

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (4, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530587)

Because as hardware continues to become more powerful, one day you'll have a multi-user server and workstation, with database, compiler suite, web server, application server, all the bells and whistles, in your pocket. That's why. And if the hardware's already powerful enough to run the kernel without breaking into a sweat, what's the point in developing your own proprietary, cut-down offering?

I don't agree (1)

S3D (745318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530776)

It's not for future use, it's neccecary just now. 1. protected memory: Smartphones usually have a lot less memory then PC (around 16-32 Mb RAM usually for now). Smartphones theoretically should run without reboot for years. Each application could be open/closed several times per day. That mean even small memory leaks could accumulate to huge amount and boggle the system down. That is why smartphones have very defencive memory managment. (two stage constructors in Symbian etc.) 2. multithreadng. For the same reason as above smartphones should treat threads very carefully. That usually complicated by the luck of precise timers on smartphones.(I can never understand why there is no timer more precise then +- 5 ms on symbian phones). Guidelines is usally to evoid multithreading in favor of stacking sevral objects in the same thread.

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530876)

this kinda ties in with that story yesterday about the .mobile domain. also, the kernel now has an option (at compile time) to remove kernel featues for embedded systems: load all symbols for debuging/kksymoops (NEW) enable futex support (NEW) Enable eventpoll support (NEW) no-op I/O schduler (NEW) Anticipatory I/O sheduler (NEW) Deadline I/O scheduler (NEW) Optimize for size (NEW)

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530622)

Hint would be that Japan DOCOMO released new phone of 3rd geniration with dual CPU, one for vois proccesing and another for gui. Here you go. And do not forget that phones now days can brows the web, so there is a danger of script kiddies. Well you can elaborate from here.

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (2, Interesting)

eraserewind (446891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530843)

A phone doesn't make calls, or send sms, connect to the internet by magic. They run a telephony stack, and a tcp/ip or wap stack too. I doubt they would appreciate waiting for the UI to finish in order to do their thing.

Phones run many UI applications, and many 3rd party applications. They shouldn't be allowed to overwrite an important processes' memory in the middle of a call.

Phones are becoming the ultimate networked computer. You'll be able to ssh to/from your phone, or launch an X session to it, if you can't already. TCP/IP, GSM, Bluetooth, with WLAN being next. A security model and concept of user priveleges might come in handy.

Re:A question for the embedded geeks.. (2, Insightful)

TEB_78 (748262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530853)

I would say some of the points of using Linux in embedded devices is that the developers get a lot for free.

1) There is noe license cost. This one is important since the licensing for other RTOS's make you pay a fee for every product you make or sells, etc.
2) They get TCP/IP stack, bluetooth-stack, etc for free (no need to buy it from somewhere or write it on your own)
3) Linux is good for marketing these days. Like java-phones sounded cool a few years ago.

OGG (2, Funny)

Oliver_Etchebarne (647762) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530568)

Does anybody know if this new toy supports OGG? I mean... in these times when patents and sues are a daily news, I don't wanna have problems with Fraunhofer...

creators' newclear power & planet/population (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530594)

rescue oriented initiatives are already underway.

this stuff is unbreakable & wwworks on several (more than 3) dimensions.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the song remains the same.

who needs it? (4, Insightful)

timerider (14785) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530621)

i mean, who really needs a phone that can do so much more than making phone calls?

Re:who needs it? (2, Insightful)

mst76 (629405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531013)

> i mean, who really needs a phone that can do so much more than making phone calls?

Who really needs to carry a phone all the time? Who really needs to talk to someone a mile away at all? People doing fine before the invention of the telephone. Who really needs to carry 10000 hours of music in his pocket? We were doing fine with a Walkman not too long ago. Who needs a Walkman? We were living happily with a turntable at home and live performers elsewhere. Who needs a general purpose computer at home? Weren't people living happily without one 25 years ago? Who needs to see moving images or hear broadcast sound in their living room? Just read books at home and go to a theater or a bar for entertainment.

Besides food, shelter and clothing, there are few things that you really need. But there are a lot of things that can make life more confortable, enjoyable or simpler. For many people, one of these is device that can be used to talk to other people, take pictures, play music, make notes, remind them of appointments, play games (maybe in the future even with a decent enough screen to read books and newspapers), and be so small that they never have to think about whether to bring it along or not. People who want to carry a device only to talk to other people can buy a phone that does not support additional features or simply ignore those features.

Re:who needs it? (1)

mre5565 (305546) | more than 10 years ago | (#8537730)

I travel a lot, and wouldn't mind a compact
device that does calls, basic web browsing,
mp3, etc. Having to haul all these devices
around is cumbersome.

Re:who needs it? (1)

timerider (14785) | more than 10 years ago | (#8540411)

ok, then you're one in a million...
I have my laptop with me in such a case, and i'd rather have a cellular where the irda connection and modem functions work reliable (curses at nokia) than such a gizmo.

Webbrowsing on a 1/4 VGA screen? not really.
and I already have a mp3 player that fits in a shirt pocket.

Qt or not ? (2, Interesting)

makapuf (412290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530634)

While the article said that Qt/embedded was running the preceding moto handset, is there any indication on what UI lib is running this one ? Is it still Qt/E ?

3D race is on (2, Interesting)

S3D (745318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530662)

Well, with ATI annonced 3d hardware accelerator for smartphones (with OpenGL ES API) it's really interesting who will be first with 3d hardware smartphone -Linux or Simbian.(well, software 3d suck on smartphones). OpenGL is quite organic to Linux, but guess what ? Nokia annonced Symbian 8.0 with OpenGL ES API integrated onto OS. No phones itself annonced yet though...

Whatever happened to Open GL anyway? (1)

Kiyooka (738862) | more than 10 years ago | (#8534401)

Sorry, this is a bit OT, but I always hear about how much better Open GL is for graphics. But lately it seems not many games support it. Why? Isn't it much better than DirectX? Is it disappearing because it's competing with MS?

Not trolling, I really want to know -- I bought a GVX1 4 years ago and it STILL runs OpenGL-enabled games smoothly. But fewer and fewer games are supporting OpenGL. Anybody more knowledgable than me know why?

you FAIL 1t? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8530670)

community at you have a play they are Come surv3ys show that

Linux everywhere... (1)

bill_doors (757981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8530912)

Linux in my pc... Linux in my pda... Linux in my cellphone... i love the way it sounds! :)
I just hope that the Linux embedded systems version be open source. GPL rulez!!!

but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8531247)

... can I ssh with it?

Re:but... (1)

Alif (705217) | more than 10 years ago | (#8532038)

Really, I have responsibility for a couple of linux servers, so for me SSH is a killer app.

LCD Dialing Pads (1)

dlevitan (132062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531781)

I really hate these phones that use a touch screen to let you dial. I'm sure it lets them save space, but there's no way I can dial on that without looking at the keypad. It really nice to be able to call someone when its freezing outside and not worry about getting frostbite. I'd really like a Phone/PDA/MP3 player (or at least two of those things), but not until I can actually use it as a phone rather than a pda that has a phone app.

Non-USA brand please? (-1, Flamebait)

ckathens (631781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531832)

Sounds like a nice idea, but I wouldn't buy a Motorolla phone unless it was the last phone left on earth. American cell phones are...blech... A Nokia or Erickson, or even a Japanese phone with these features would get snapped up by a lot more people who trust these phones way more than a product designed in Texas......

Re:Non-USA brand please? (1)

JimTheta (115513) | more than 10 years ago | (#8539955)

Hey ninja -- I'm a software engineer at Motorola. Chicago-area is where the brunt of our cell-phone development is. Where'd you pull Texas from? (Don't ask me a crapload of questions; I was only hired 6 months ago.)

Re:Non-USA brand please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8540185)

A big chunk of the development is being done at Motorola-Beijing (China). Remember that Motorola is on the verge of becoming a Chinese company with an estimated U$5billion investment in China.

Re:Non-USA brand please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8550128)

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sperm contains immune system suppressing chemicals. That's why the sperm is
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sensory nerve endings in the anus, this damage often goes unnoticed. The
sperm then induce their immune suppressing effect, and the stage is set.
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as viral matter. When the anus is ripped open, exposing the blood to the
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xmms Debian-MontaVista? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8531878)

I can't wait to install xmms. Anyone ever apt-get install xmms , then install to a MontaVista box?

SonyEricsson s700 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8531961)

I'd rather have a SonyEricsson s700

http://www.sonyericsson.com/s700 [sonyericsson.com]

Intel XScale PXA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8540266)

The E680 will ship with an Intel PXA (XScale) processor. It is strange this is not mentioned anywhere.
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