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WiFi Phone Announced

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the just-can't-wait-to-get-back-on-the-road-again dept.

Wireless Networking 212

igrp writes "Zyxel just announced its Prestige 2000W VoIP Wi-Fi Cordless Phone. It's designed to work with 802.11b networks, implements QoS and IP-to-IP call functionality and uses 128-bit WEP encryption. It also scans for 'available APs in [the] hand set's environment'. War driving just became a whole lot more interesting."

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Dont touch those phones! (-1, Flamebait)

Mohammed Al-Sahaf (665285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542879)

Dont touch those phones! It is a zionist trick! They are actually bombs!

Re:Dont touch those phones! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542909)

with the state of today's wireless network configurations, this is kinda like giving free untraceable phone service to anyone wanting to buy the phone initially...

Re:Dont touch those phones! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543065)

Oh, no! Teh terrorists are going to win! I must vote for Bush immediately!

Vote for him anyway (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543073)

Vote for Bush anyway. He has much better ideas than Kerry does, both foreign and domestic.

Re:Vote for him anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543092)

Like what?

Re:Vote for him anyway (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543112)

How about the defecit? Bush has made it very high. Kerry promises to increase it much more, as he wants to spend more money on just about everything.

That is just for starters.

Re:Vote for him anyway (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543139)

Bush has made it very high. [...] That is just for starters.

True, true.

Re:Vote for him anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543158)

Bush [...] very high. [...]

That explains something.

Re:Vote for him anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543177)

How about the defecit? Bush has made it very high.

Wow, I bet everyone in the debate club admires you. :-)

Re:Vote for him anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543185)

"Wow, I bet everyone in the debate club admires you"

Just noting that there is a certain problem with a Bush policy, and Kerry wants to make this problem much worse.

Re:Dont touch those phones! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543172)

Which is why I'm buying one. Bwa ha ha!

~~~

But.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542882)

Does it run linux?

Re:But.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543048)

You forgot to uncheck the post anonymously box, Amsterdam Vallon.

Wow! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542885)

Wow! Portable phones. I thought I'd never live to see the day.

War driving attention span (5, Insightful)

dalamarian (741404) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542886)

I don't know about the rest of you, but the war driving experience only provided about .5 hours of entertainment. After that I just wanted to go out and drink.

Re:War driving attention span (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543145)

I don't know about the rest of you, but the war driving experience only provided about .5 hours of entertainment. After that I just wanted to go out and drink.

I didn't even get that far. Straight to the pub for me (:

*EVIL CHUCKLE* (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543211)

My local has an access point.

Re:War driving attention span (2, Interesting)

Your_Mom (94238) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543225)

*shrug*
I dunno, myself and one of my friends have killed many a hours on multiple outings doing it. We always fall into the "Just X more signals"-trap. I guess its better with a friend, as I can see doing it by myself would be rather boring.

Of course, I'm a 'spark' (one who likes to go to fires) so I'm used to the whole cruising around waiting for a call to come over the fire radio.

end of wiring (3, Interesting)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542889)

with everything going wireless, will we even need to wire houses of the future (well i guess power might be necessary)?

Re:end of wiring (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542954)

WTF are you on about? Other than power wires what wires do I have running through my walls? NONE YOU DUMB HICK!

Re:end of wiring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543001)

phone, cable, networking, speakers, security systems (alarms, video, fire, motion detectors, etc.) i think there is a quite lengthy list of wires you could have running through a house.

Re:end of wiring (1)

YanceyAI (192279) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542963)

I've actually been thinking that when I build my dream home, an integrated hard line and WiFi will be built in. I consider it to be as necessary as my phone jacks. I'll (or my guests) be able to jack into any room, just like in an office suite.

Re:end of wiring (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543044)

" I've actually been thinking that when I build my dream home, an integrated hard line and WiFi will be built in. I consider it to be as necessary as my phone jacks. I'll (or my guests) be able to jack into any room, just like in an office suite."

I already jack in any room and every room, but I expect my guests to behave with more decorum.

Re:end of wiring (0, Offtopic)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543233)

might be a bit off topic,
but wiring for power should probably go away.
granted power over lines is currently cheaper than the .5 acre of solar panel / house. but I suspect the total cost is greater over the power grid is now much greater than solor. If it weren't for the REA the ongoing install/upgrade/maintain/protect from terorism of the grid, is greater than the solor panels...

Woohooey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542892)

FIRST POST!!

Re:Woohooey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542943)

today on Sesame Street, we learn the numbers 13 and 1 and how they are different from each other !

Re:Woohooey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543030)

Then, we learn how to read dates, and realise the number 6 is not 13!

Re:Woohooey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543121)

Fuck you, cookie monster.

Oh, good! (4, Funny)

TexasDex (709519) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542901)

Maybe my gf will come wardriving with me now...

You are stupid (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542907)

Cisco has had the 7920 WiFi VoIP phone out for a good while.. nothing new.

Re:You are stupid (0)

bstory (89087) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543037)

Thank you for pointing this out. I was hoping someone had already done that. It's too bad that the general /. community doesn't seem to keep up with the mainstream technology companies as well as they do things that happen to pop up on a google search.

Re:You are stupid (3, Informative)

jaredmauch (633928) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543052)

The Cisco 7920 only supports the skinny/sccp protocol used by the their call manager system (runs on WinNT and successors). This is interesting as it uses the ietf produced protocol SIPv2. Pulver also has one here [pulverinnovations.com] . Still "nothing new", but represents more geeky products in the SIP world.

Re:You are stupid (1)

pdaoust007 (258232) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543228)

According to my Cisco rep. There will be a SIP image for the 7920 out in the summmer. I have a 7920 at work and it's really a sweet phone... Having a SIP image available will be a bonus (it should then work really well with Asterisk, the open source IP PBX).

Can't buy (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542908)

I'd be happy if I could buy VoIP hardware without having to pay 50-100% extra for shipping to Europe. Does anyone know a European retailer of Sipura VoIP adapters?

Re:Can't buy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543085)

Re:Can't buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543218)

Thank you, but the only page of the 5 results which comes close to offering actual hardware just promises "coming soon".

I've contacted Sipura and they referred me to a Finnish company, which does not appear to have a webshop and has an almost entirely Finnish website.

Other options so far:
Chagres: $40 + $4.50 per item, even though they supposedly ship from a warehouse in Rotterdam, Netherlands. The webshop is unclear about customs and tax.

PulverInnovations: No information about shipping costs, customs and tax. Ships from the USA.

Tin can with string (3, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542910)

I want one of these as a Pringles can with string [windley.com]

Re:Tin can with string (4, Funny)

emo boy (586277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542952)

That's so yesterday. We already have wireless can phones. All you have to do is hold your campbell's soup can up and talk and presto...the guy across the room with his can, can hear you. The clarity is amazing the louder you speak into it. AND LOOK MOM! NO CORDS!

You're right (3, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542998)

You are so right. I've used this device to call across a room. In fact, I found that it even works if you don't have the soup can.

Re:You're right (0, Redundant)

KingJoshi (615691) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543222)

I've done this as well. But becareful where you try the technology. The people in the library are such technophobes!

Re:Tin can with string (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543063)

I like to play music to my girlfriend on the phone. You own records that can't be played through such a device... maybe you'd better stick to conventional telephones.

That's expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543086)

"I like to play music to my girlfriend on the phone."

How much do those 976 numbers charge for the time to play all of "Ina Godda Davida"?

link???? (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542911)

is it me or is this a bad link?

Re:link???? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542965)

Welcome to the wonderful world of Slashdot.

Nice... (5, Insightful)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542914)

I bet these would be immediately useful on medium to large commercial, industrial and educational campus, for intracampus mobile communication. But to be of much use to the general public, the coverage by WiFi cells will have to become ubiquitous, at least in metropoliton areas.

Re:Nice... (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543042)

Not really. So long as there's WiFi that covers my entire house, then this phone is just a geeky version of a 2.4 GHz cordless phone.

Re:Nice... (2, Insightful)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543167)

OK, but other than geek factor, what good does it do you?

A customer I've worked with has two locations in the US, one in Aimes, IA and the other in Lawrence, KS. They have some manner of leased line (T1 or T3) between them. Their inter/intranet and some voice lines traverse this pipe. In KS they just dial the 4 digit extension of anyone they want to talk to in Aimes. I'm pretty sure the voice lines are of the tradition analog (64K bit) type you'd implement on a T1 or T3.

Now, imagine the cost of a leased line from Aimes to Lawrence. Now, throw away the long haul and use two short haul connections local to each city. They could VPN for the intranet, and VoIP for voice. There's a potential for real cost savings there.

PLEASE!!! (0)

ziondreams (760588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542917)


I really hope this phone doesn't run on Windows Mobile!!! God only knows how crappy the automatic wireless network detection would be on there!!

Looks like a new WiSIP (5, Informative)

OctaneZ (73357) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542919)

Wow, it looks almost exactly like the WiSIP [pulverinnovations.com] that Jeff Pulver [jeffpulver.com] , founder of Free World Dialup [freeworlddialup.com] , has been selling on Pulver Innovations [pulverinnovations.com] for about a year now.

Conversation (5, Funny)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542920)

"You keep cutting out."

"Yeah, I'm not sure why, but I have a strange feeling the guy outside in the beige '87 sedan, wearing a topcoat and no pants has something to do with it."

-Peter

Google Cache (5, Informative)

UncleBiggims (526644) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542925)

Here's the Google Cache [216.239.57.104] of the product page.

Are you Corn Fed? [ebay.com]

MMmmmmm radiation (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542936)

How wise is it to stick a 802.11 transmitter right next to your brain for extended periods of time?

RF Safe [sartests.com]

"According to Dr. Brown, the real danger is the proximity to the transmitter because the transmitter sends out the waves that could heat up human tissue if close enough to the antenna. "

"Moving from one inch away to only one foot away from the Wi-Fi antenna weakens the signal by a factor of 100. So unless you're hugging the antenna, or leaning against it, you're being exposed to very little radiation."

D'oh... Better have a "hands free" option so that I can place the transmitter next to my genitals instead of near to my head.

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543019)


Moving from one inch away to only one foot away from the Wi-Fi antenna weakens the signal by a factor of 100.

There goes my idea of a covert 802.11 butt plug antenna.

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543023)

Better have a "hands free" option so that I can place the transmitter next to my genitals instead of near to my head.

Yeah exactly, next to something that you don't use.

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (1)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543028)

Yeah, but half the hands free sets I see clip on your belt, can anyone say "ROASTED NUTS"

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (0)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543057)

Moving from one inch away to only one foot away from the Wi-Fi antenna weakens the signal by a factor of 100.

Suddenly I doubt Dr Brown, if this is his idea of accuracy. It weakens the signal by a factor of 144. Come on, the inverse square law isn't _that_ difficult...

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (2, Informative)

throwaway18 (521472) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543101)

How wise is it to stick a 802.11 transmitter right next to your brain for extended periods of time?

This device 14dBm = 0.025watts
My GSM phone 33dBm = 2 watts (with automatic power control so it dosn't allways use that much)

I'm not worried at all. Would you expect to see a rise in brain tumours by now considering the number of people with mobiles?

That said I think the SAR ratings for phones are completly bogus. A phone with a 4 inch pull out antenna may have a higher SAR rating but it transmitts more efficiently so it can contact the base with less power and the amount of power being absorbed by the users head is less than a tiny new phone with an internal antenna.

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543210)

The cellphone's plastic shell doesn't really impede the performance of the internal antenna. 4" external verse 4" internal is the same thing.

Re:MMmmmmm radiation (1)

KingJoshi (615691) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543235)

D'oh... Better have a "hands free" option so that I can place the transmitter next to my genitals instead of near to my head.

You're a slashdotter, you wouldn't use them anyhow :)

Crypto software. (5, Interesting)

sabri (584428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542939)

Now it's a matter of time before someone implements a software version of the Cryptophone [cryptophone.de] for these wifi-phones.. I really wonder how LEA's will deal with this. Afterall, wiretapping a phone will be fairly impossible :-)

Re:Crypto software. (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542973)

in the end wont all electronic communication be impossible to tap with the right encryption. Its something that the NSA is much fearing. Its already causing inteligence agency to start to refocus on human intelegence over electronic.

Re:Crypto software. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543074)

It's not encryption, it's common sense driving the switch back to human intelligence.

You solve cases and find bad guys through good old fashioned police work. A well placed mole in the middle east could gather more information on Al Queda than all the wiretapping robots in China.

That's how all the big busts in police history have gone down, good informants, good information, good legwork.

Text from site (5, Informative)

erobertstad (442529) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542941)

First few times I tried it was allready having SQL errors so here's the text:

Prestige 2000W
VoIP Wi-Fi Phone

The Prestige 2000W VoIP Wi-Fi phone, compatible with IEEE 802.11b wireless standard, is a perfect solution for Voice over IP applications. It allows users to make or receive phone calls as long as they are in the coverage of IEEE 802.11b or 11g wireless Access Points. By using the Prestige 2000W, users no longer have to pay expensive communication fees and can enjoy the convenience of wireless mobility.

The brand new application is developed to support open standard SIP (Session Initiation Protocol), which interoperates with major SIP-based call servers, IP-PBXs and various VoIP client devices. It is not only an ideal alternative for ITSPs (IP Telephony Service Providers) to deploy their VoIP services; it can also be the wireless handset, which is applied in corporate IP-PBX centric VoIP environment.

The Prestige 2000W is very easy to use and configure. It allows users to configure with LCD screen menu or web browser. Meanwhile, with the smart auto-provisioning mechanism, ITSPs can easily deploy and manage the VoIP services. Easy-to-use and convenient, the Prestige 2000W delivers high quality voice functionality in a cost-effective way.

Benefits

Open Standard SIP v2 Support
The call control protocol of the Prestige 2000W is based on SIP v2 (Session Initiation Protocol version 2, RFC 3261) open standard, which is interoperable with major SIP-based call servers, IP-PBXs, and other standard SIP-based client devices.

Mobility with IEEE 802.11b Wireless Standard Compliance
The Prestige 2000W is compliant with the IEEE 802.11b standard and interoperates with any existing 802.11b or 802.11g wireless AP and gateway. It may be used as a cordless handset for residential users or for business users in an office environment. The small form factor of the handset is easy to transport and allows users to place VoIP phone calls in public 802.11-based hot spots.

High Voice Quality with Low Communication Costs
The Prestige 2000W is capable of tagging features that support a service provider?s QoS (Quality of Service) planning, such ToS (Type of Service), and DiffServ. It allows gateways or central side equipment to identify and prioritize voice and data traffic. By supporting G.711 and G.729 voice compression technology, the Prestige 2000W effectively reduces bandwidth consumption caused by voice traffic.

Enhanced Power Saving Design for Extended Standby and Talk Time
With an improved power-saving design, the Prestige 2000W can be used for a relatively long period of standby and talk time. With an extended life for each recharge cycle, the Prestige 2000W is available where and when you need it.

Direct IP-to-IP Call and Ad-hoc Intercom Mode Support(Optional)
By configuring a remote IP address in the built-in phone book, the Prestige 2000W provides a direct IP-to-IP call feature when there is no intermediate SIP proxy server available in the network. The Prestige 2000W can also establish an 802.11 ad-hoc network (computer-to-computer network without Access Point), which allows users to use the handsets as wireless intercoms.
Features

Wireless
- IEEE 802.11b support
- Frequency band: 2.400 ~ 2.497 GHz
- Channel: FCC Ch1~11, ETSI Ch1~13, Japan Ch1~14
- Data Rate: 11 / 5.5 / 2 / 1 Mbps
- Output Power: 14 + 1dBm
- Sensitivity: -82 dBm@11Mbps
- Operating range: Out-door up to 300m, In-door up to 75m
- 64/128 bit WEP encryption
- Site Survey: Scan available APs in hand set?s environment
- Support infrastructure (public) mode and Ad-hoc mode (option)

Voice
- SIP (RFC 3261) version 2
- SDP (RFC2327)
- RTP (RFC1889)
- RTCP (RFC1890)
- CODEC: G711, G.729a
- DTMF detection and relay
- G.168 echo cancellation
- Silence Suppression
- Voice Activity Detection (VAD)
- Comfort Noise Generation (CNG)
- QoS support TOS / DiffServ
- Support outbond proxy for NAT Traversal
- Built-in Phone book
- Direct IP-to-IP call
- Standby time up to 24 hours, talking time up to 4 hours

Network
- IP address assignment: Fixed IP, DHCP client, PPPoE
- HTTP, TFTP, TCP, UDP, DNS, ARP, ICMP

Management
- LCD screen displayed menu and keypad settings
- Built-in Web Configurator
- Support auto-provisioning

Mod down parent - nothing wrong with site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542961)

There is nothing wrong with the site. This guy is just karma-whoring.

Re:Mod down parent - nothing wrong with site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543061)

There is nothing wrong with the site. This guy is just karma-whoring

Fuck you!

Useful? (1)

PingKing (758573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542942)

Won't the person on the receiving end need one of these phones also, or some VoIP technology?

Surely this makes it useless when it comes to regular phonelines?

Re:Useful? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542990)

There are several SIP proxies which provide a gateway to the plain old telephone system. Free ones offer incoming calls and calls to toll-free numbers only, but there are also paid gateways through which you can use VoIP phones both ways.

Re:Useful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543125)

which are the FREE SIP incoming call providers?

Newlyweds in 5 years. (5, Funny)

mfivis (592345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542962)

Can you hear me now?

'No honey! Did you unfilter the MAC address?'

Yes.

'Did you enable DHCP?'

Ah, thats it! Alright, got it!

Cisco.... (5, Informative)

phillk6751 (654352) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542980)

Cisco has already developed an 802.11 wireless phone for their VoIP networks for businesses. They've developed fully VoIP phones that only need a certain server and a cat5 connection to the internet to function. They can also use TTS(Text to speech) and ASR(automatic speech recognition) commands for the blind people, and the phones read XML for menus. I think cisco's are cooler.

Bandwidth Considerations at Hot Spots (5, Informative)

iammrjvo (597745) | more than 10 years ago | (#8542985)


This would probably work well on a LAN, but would this really work well between networks at all Wi-fi hot spots? I'd be concerned about spotty coverage where the Internet connection is slow, such as at a coffee shop or hotel where every computer on the network is sharing one DSL connection.

Also, since Wi-fi coverage is still spotty, even inside of cities, traditional mobile service is probably still the best solution for most folks. Once Wi-fi becomes more widely deployed, then this kind of device could displace traditional mobile techs.

This is VoIP equivalent of cordless, not mobile (3, Insightful)

blorg (726186) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543194)

This is not the VoIP equivalent of a cordless phone, not a mobile/cell phone. It's a nice side-benefit that you may be able to use it on networks other than your own.

I hoped for the end... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542988)

.. of WiFey's Phone. WiFey's Phone-costs almost costed me my marriage.

Re:I hoped for the end... (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543160)

why didnt you get her to open the phoneline account with the phone company in the first place, so that her name would be on the bill?

steps to victory (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8542989)

  1. Wait until election week.
  2. Provoke ???
  3. Win election as country rallies in mourning.


I can fill in the ??? since I live close enough to have heard it. Can you?


In other news, American government shows courtesy and respect for detainees [mirror.co.uk] .

Re:steps to victory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543056)

"In other news, American government shows courtesy and respect for detainees"

If you get caught fighting in a terrorist army, don't be surprised if you get inconvenienced.

"Oh. I ended up in the Taliban by ACCIDENT. A likely excuse". They should make sure this jerk serves a long sentence at Camp X-Ray for publishing these lies in The Mirror.

Well, buttmunch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543111)

"If you get caught fighting in a terrorist army, don't be surprised if you get inconvenienced."

Doesn't matter. The US Government has accused american citizens on american soil of being "terrorists" and they are being held without trial.

Do you feel safer? Maybe you're a terrorist too?

Re:Well, buttmunch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543129)

" The US Government has accused american citizens on american soil of being "terrorists" and they are being held without trial."

Since they are only holding ones that were caught in the act of fighting in terrorist armies, no problem. If you get caught fighting in a terrorist army, don't be surprised if you get inconvenienced.

"Do you feel safer?"

Absolutely. We've got someone dealing with the root causes of the problem.

Nokia 9500 communicator (2, Interesting)

throwaway18 (521472) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543000)

Nokia recently announced the next version of the nokia communicator. [nokia.com]
Triple band, edge, GPRS, bluetooth, infrared, wifi, qwerty keyboard,
browser, organiser, telnet, ssh, plays mp3s, 80MB memory, camera, 640x200 colour screen.

A highly desirably toy, though judging by previous communicators there will be a dozen firmware updates and you will need the extended warranty
because they often break.

Datasheet available from alternative website. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543004)

http://www.zyxel.no/produkt.php?cat=9&prod=72 Click on the link on the rightside called 'Dataark' and you will download the pdf version of the datasheet for the product.

thank you VoIP gods! (3, Interesting)

photovoltaics (470242) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543009)

I can't believe more people don't have more VoIP phones already... Something like Vonnage offers. I can have a local phone number, travel to Hong Kong, and still have a local number to my home town. Having a wireless option makes it that much better. Telephony service costs too much already, and this may help more people switch to VoIP phones, too... thus making it even more inexpensive. As timothy pointed out, this certainly does take wardriving to a whole new level. Sweet.

Re:thank you VoIP gods! (1)

Rostin (691447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543217)

I'd love one, but so far Vonage hasn't set up a local line into my area, so anyone calling me would have to pay long distance.

This is old tech (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543015)

Hi there! What planet are you from?

Cisco has had wi-fi VoIP phones for a year. A friend uses them at work at they are rather nifty. I think there might be some handover issues since mobile IP isn't really fit for fight yet.

Here's the product page. [cisco.com]

If you google for wi-fi phone you'll find there are some others as well, but coming from the PDA end of the spectrum.

Plus Nokia's latest phone/pda has wi-fi as well, but I don't think you they are available in stores yet.

Cool!... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543017)

Now I can surf BBSs with my Apple IIc wirelessly, using an acoustic-coupler modem.

Paleo-wardriving, here I come!

NAT (2, Interesting)

v_1_r_u_5 (462399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543029)

When these phones can get around the need for a central server if both parties are behind NAT, things will get real exciting. As it is right now, though, if both parties are using NAT, there's no direct way for them to connect unless through a central server, which is not a good idea for numerous reasons. Maybe with the new IP protocol...

Re:NAT (1)

Kordmp (731261) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543143)

Although there is no perfect solution I have found that STUN [ietf.org] works quite well. It suffers most from the fact that there doesn't seem to be a standard for NAT implementation that is used by the vendors. I have used Vovida's free STUN Server [vovida.org] and have only had some issues with LinkSys products. Unfortunately it is required to run on a public address. Vovida provides 2 public STUN Servers for people to use: The IP address of the STUN servers are: 128.107.250.38 128.107.250.39 I have not tried these and they may have changed. Maybe someone can give them a try and report back how well they work.

Re:NAT (1)

tdwebste (747947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543184)


Well linux 2.6 supports stream connection protocol. That should help the voice stream connections. Once their are set up.

If countries would ever endorse ipv6 we could use anycase for converence calls.

Someone please provide
Links to protocols used by this phone.

Cisco WIFI phone (1)

ljavelin (41345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543032)

Funny, I just tried out a Cisco WIFI phone yesterday.

It's shaped a bit like an older Nokia cell phone - relatively big by today's cell phone standards. And, of course, it's VoIP.

My office is all VoIP (with Cisco VoIP phones at each desk), so a WIFI version would be a great benefit to those of us to scurry around the facility. Especially considering the poor cell phone reception in the area.

The real beauty is the possibility of taking this phone home - I could use my office phone on my home network (and broadband ISP). Then again, I don't want work calls when I'm home.

2000W? (1)

knabar (261612) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543036)

What kind of battery does this thing use? Or do you have to plug it in?

Re:2000W? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543076)

Ha ha... in case you weren't trying to be funny: it's just a model designation, not a power rating. And since you're American, you're not supposed to know the SI anyway.

Symbol and Cisco had WiFI earlier (1)

f1ipf10p (676890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543062)

What I want is a phone that can switch networks (seamlessly would be nice)from private to public. A handheld that used 802.11b(or g) when available and GSM or CDMA 1xRTT when I hit the road...

But I also want world peace, so don't hold your breath...

this is incredible (2, Funny)

superfast-scooter (693095) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543072)

no, not that product - but how we have 100 comments even when that link is wrong/bad. this a slashdot specialty?
lol.

Already slashdotted (2, Funny)

yudan (750605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543075)

Obviously it's maximum throughput is limitted to 11Mbps, as indicated by the underlying tech (802.11b)

VoIP on a mobile device is news? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543083)

VoIP on mobile devices is not that new, is it? PocketPC based devices have been pulling this off for a while now. You can even get one with a built in laser! check out www.intermec.com [tinyurl.com]

Yes, but how do you use it at starbucks? (2, Interesting)

hebcal (25008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543099)

All of those pay-to-play Wi-Fi APs [t-mobile.com] in coffee shops and airports need to talk to a browser to authenticate your NIC. It's not clear how you can do that with a phone.

Socialized routing protocol? (1)

5Ball (174225) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543148)

Has there been any discussion on the feasibility of a public network where devices such as these use an operating system capable of routing IP traffic (such as embedded Linux), and using something similar to OSPF, route among each other? I have heard it said before that everyone in the U.S. is something like four people removed from knowing everyone else (I know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows that person). Granted distance becomes a factor, but could this principle apply to a certain coverage area?

Spectralink has this (1)

Jay Tarbox (48535) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543152)

They've had Wifi H.323 phones out for a while. Whith the correct firware they directly support Cisco and Avaya PBX's without a gateway in between.

Practicality (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8543156)

I work in the engineering section of one of the leading cordless phone companies. A couple days ago, I asked why we weren't developing a voip cordless phone. He said that aside from the cost and complexity of implementing this, the battery life is also a huge issue.

I hope they can pull it off. I think it's a great idea because it means that your cordless phone has coverage over your whole wireless network rather than just when it is in close proximity to your base station.

Did anyone else read it like this? (2, Funny)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543199)

I read this as a 2000W VoIP phone, not a model 2000W. At first, I was thinking, what, a range of about 20 miles on this baby, battery life of almost a minute. Not only that, but you turn it on, and you lose bladder control, and suddenly can't turn left. Free guide to microwave induced cancers included, get them all and you win a discount on the next model!

Seriously though, this looks like fun, I'll have to ask the Zyxel people for one, they make cool WiFi stuff.

-Charlie

Ad-hoc mode? (1)

ferralis (736358) | more than 10 years ago | (#8543204)

I wonder what the result of having already ubiquitous cell phones acting as ad-hoc-mode repeaters to extend a cell would be.

Of course, users of such a system would need backpack-sized batteries to get through the day, still cells could be extended in an almost "natural" manner. Maybe the repeater mode would only work when plugged in.

Something to think about, anyway.

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