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Thirty-Three States Contributed to the MATRIX

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the room-101 dept.

United States 328

lexbaby writes "The Salt Lake Tribune has an article claiming that at least 33 states have released government and commercial records on residents to the controversial MATRIX (Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange) network instead of the originally claimed 13." Don't worry, there's plenty of RAM for all 50 and the territories too.

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Avoiding trouble in the first place... (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544702)

With this in mind, here are tips to help you avoid being labeled a terrorist:

Mouth shut, eyes forward, do what you're told. Don't question authority.

Smile for the cameras. They're everywhere and they're watching you.

Secure all zippers, buttons, tie clips, etc. Wardrobe Malfunction isn't funny anymore, it's subversive.

Turn in your neighbors on the slightest hint they're trouble makers. You won't get a pair a blue jeans, but you help keep your country safe.

Pokemon: Catch 'em all, otherwise you never know where they are or what they are up to.

Cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing to avoid Germ Warfare Terrorist label.

Vote for the most patriotic sounding politician, no matter what their platform.

Remember, we're all in this together.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (3, Funny)

machine of god (569301) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544794)

you forgot:

Always wear your foil hat underneath a real hat, otherwise they'll know you know.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545079)

They don't have to *see* the tinfoil hat; there are tinfoil detectors everywhere. Fortunately Saran Wrap sheilds against tinfoil detection rays.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (3, Informative)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545099)

Tin foil hat?...humbug! I'm getting a tin foil tent [bbc.co.uk] .(half way down page)

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545138)

Always wear your foil hat underneath a real hat, otherwise they'll know you know.

Good point. Thank you very much.

"Good manners aren't just a good idea, they're the law!"

"You're under arrest."
"What for?"
"You didn't thank him."
"Oh, sorry."
"Too late for that, Sir."
"Very well, thank you for arresting me."
"You're welcome."

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544796)

You forgot "pay attention to your personal hygene."

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (2, Funny)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544797)

Mod this post up. McCarthy would be spooging himself if he were alive today.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544965)

He is alive, as long as there are people acting like him.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544982)

Mod this post up. McCarthy would be spooging himself if he were alive today.

IIRC, McCarthy's quest began by seeking special treatment by the U.S. Army for Pvt G. David Schine, a former aide to Roy Cohn, friend and ally of McCarthy. McCarthy's list ("I have in my hand a list...") was BS, but once the lying for favoritism got going it was hard to stop and took on a life of it's own, alledging the Army was full of communist sympathisers because they refused special treatment to Schine. Pretty ugly, but today isn't quite that bad, yet.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (5, Interesting)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545052)

Well that's the wonderful thing about incredible amounts of data mining software and huge databases. You can make it that bad at much faster rate. Entire periods of historical precendent collapse under a compressed timeline. A single President can implement a police state and revoke 100 years of case law regarding privacy with a single sweep of the mouse, all in one term.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (1, Insightful)

maximilln (654768) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544837)

-----
Secure all zippers, buttons, tie clips, etc. Wardrobe Malfunction isn't funny anymore, it's subversive
-----
Amen to that. I have this old leather jacket from Wilson's that I bought nearly ten years ago. It was a $300 lambskin leather jacket at the time. Now it's been through enough rainstorms to make it look like a $5 Salvation Army pickup even though I kept it well oiled and water protected. Anyways, the threads holding the zipper onto the left breast pocket were snapped from keeping my cigarettes in there and reaching in to retrieve them, straining the threads over a number of years. I had to be extra careful unzipping the pocket because, if I led the zipper too far, it would slide right off the end of the track.

I went through the airport a few months back with my jacket. When they searched my jacket at the checkpoint they unzipped the pocket. They weren't kind enough to put the zipper inside the pocket so that I could reattach it. They threw it away. I didn't think to check until I was in the terminal. I went back and asked about it but received nothing but blank stares and,"We can give you a claim form to fill out."

Right. I'm going to spend 15 minutes filling out a claim form to have my name added to a list over a $2 zipper that I'll probably never be able to find the original match for anyways.

I guess it's just part of life. No matter how well you take care of your stuff someone else is eventually going to break it for you and there's nothing that you can do about it.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545009)

I bought one from Wilson's years ago, too. Good leather, but the rest was cheap chinese junk. Try a shoe or leather goods store. A local one was able to fix up mine when it fell apart.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (5, Insightful)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544863)

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Please board the nearest transportation to the Ministry of Love, they are waiting to see you.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (2, Interesting)

Pantheraleo2k3 (673123) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545077)

Newspeak: the one and only language whose vocabulary decreases every year.

"You must not just obey Big Brother, you must love Big Brother"

"We are aiming at destroying the family unit. All love will be directed towards Big Brother"

"Procreation will be nothing more than an annual ritual"

Again, all from 1984

Re:There was already a similar software... (3, Interesting)

botzi (673768) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544894)

....developped and running al the way till the late 80's, but a dude called Gorbachov kinda screwed it all up....(it's still in use only in outdated machines in China.)

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545053)

Secure all zippers, buttons, tie clips, etc. Wardrobe Malfunction isn't funny anymore, it's subversive.

This is something I hardly even shrugged at, while most ultraconservatives get their panties all in a knot (apparently *that* isn't a wardrobe malfunction) and get all freaked out. For what? A part of the female anatomy, and it wasn't even completely naked.
Violent videogames and movies, and owning a gun, and brainwash kids into believing fairytales; all these things are considered ok. But a woman not wearing her burkha or otherwise covering her entire body, that's surely an omen that Satan is coming to town. Amazing. You know, I think it was in London that Victoria Silvstedt (she was in Playboy) accidentally had her dress slip a little so her breast came into view. I've seen one (1) notice of this in the online media over here. Where are the upset people? Where is Satan, surely this was his work? Or perhaps it was the liberals...

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545060)

Remember, we're all in this together.

The inherent sarcasm in the tone of your post is downright un-American. Nobody is forcing you to stay in America if you don't like it. America, love it or leave it fscker.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545137)

You probably meant...

America, love it or destroy it with freedomcrushing practices such as PATRIOT Act, big government, big brother mentality, etc.

Seriously, if you love freedom, you strive to protect it; not from King George, not from Ivan, because you did that already. Don't forget to defend your freedom no matter the threat. If your president and attorney general is the threat, you know what you have to do. You have no excuse.

Re:Avoiding trouble in the first place... (1)

DollyTheSheep (576243) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545150)

The scary part is, that the parent is modded "Insightful", not "Funny".

Nani? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544708)

not cool, fp

Excellent (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544710)

Whatever we need to stop these bastards. The ones who fear these things are the ones who really have something to hide. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy the Spain incident.

Re:Excellent (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544801)

It's very likely that the bombers in Spain, like the hijackers here, had valid drivers licenses and other papers and good identification.

After all, they don't need to hide until AFTER they do it. Then they are dead.

This is like a stupid school teacher to tries to re-arrange seating order from alphabetical to something else when her classroom becomes disruptive. All she knows how to do is put things in order so that's what she does, when in reality the situation calls for some strong spankings and maybe kicking some students out.

Re:Excellent (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544812)

Whatever we need to stop these bastards. The ones who fear these things are the ones who really have something to hide. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy the Spain incident.

I don't know if it's on the web, but there was a wonderful series of Pogo (by Walt Kelly) strips from the early 70's where Spiro Agnew (then Vice President) was portrayed (appropriately) as a hyena in military uniform. For the good of the country all suspect people were rounded up and jailed. The end result was everyone in jail except him, including his cronies and assistants.

Sounds like history repeating itself.

Spiro Agnew [wikipedia.org] later resigned due to mounting pressure over scandal for tax evasion and bribe taking.

If you're going to troll that badly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544827)

consider masturbation first.

Or even sex with someone you love, which could be the same thing. It'll make you feel better.

Honestly.

Oh, that (0, Redundant)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544713)

I thought they were opening a new terawatt plant or something.

Obligatory comment (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544717)

Welcome to The Matrix.

Re:Obligatory comment (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544976)

Cue the bad Matrix jokes. "Here they come..."

suprise (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544718)

I was wondering why all the stories aimed at getting the tinfoil hat crowd in a frenzy where popping up, then I noticed Michael was at the helm

Re:suprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544916)

i've had a cou;ple of malt beverages at lunch. im feeling fine thank yuo very much!@@

list please! (2, Interesting)

Roger Keith Barrett (712843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544723)

there are numbers but not a list!

we need a list! if my state was involved I would like to know!

Re:list please! (5, Informative)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544824)

Here is a link to the MATRIX, apparently they don't update their website information much..

CLICKY HERE [matrix-at.org]

http://www.matrix-at.org/states.htm

Here is the Wired article that was posted here a day or two ago, which has more info on which states are involved...

CLICKY HERE [wired.com] http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,62564,00. html?tw=wn_tophead_1

Re:list please! (2, Interesting)

Roger Keith Barrett (712843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544870)

That's good... it gives the starting 13, but what about the other 33?

Re:list please! (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544954)

I don't CA listed anywhere but with Ahhhnold at the helm its only a matter of time. We should rally all just unite and buy an island in the South Pacific somewhere, set up a data Haven.I really sick of Ashcroft and his cronies continuing efforts to get all up in my shit.

Re:list please! (1)

RLW (662014) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545127)

Is there a list anywhere describing which states submit data and what that data is ?

Re:list please! (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545101)

we need a list! if my state was involved I would like to know!

Why? Are you a terrorist? It's not like you can do anything about it anyway so just shutup about it and do what you're told.

Wow (4, Funny)

dupper (470576) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544725)

I can't believe they actually had the balls to call it that.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

astrashe (7452) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544805)

That was exactly my reaction -- I can't believe they'd call it that. You can sort of imagine them sitting around a table, and making a toast "to evil."

I wonder if those guys model themselves on agent smith -- try to look like him, imitate his mannerisms, setc.

You'd think they'd call it something like "children's protection and technological development project" instead.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544830)

Umm.. Welcome to the wonderful world of publicity-style naming.

In government, you find projects with 'cool' names or names that noone would ever think to move against for fear of being ostracised (MATRIX, USA PATRIOT Act).

In business, it's all about finding a comftorable two-syllable word that flows off the tounge. Or picking a common word and modifying it slightly.

Take the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544733)

burnt umber pill.

Obligatory Morpheus Quote (0, Redundant)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544735)

"The Matrix has you." Sad really.

Re:Obligatory Morpheus Quote (1)

warlockgs (593818) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544771)

I've known that this was coming but they didn't announce it on their website [thematrixonline.com] . Is the MATRIX online already? I thought they were still doing recon..

Genealogical data too? (3, Interesting)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544743)

With the Mormons keeping track of their ancestors and all, do you suppose that some (most?) of the info that Utah willingly provided was from those vast genealogical records?

I wonder if/how that would help the MATRIX project. Hmm.

Re:Genealogical data too? (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545092)

Mormon's are the only ones to do geneology. Thanks to some Scottish monk's I can trace one branch of my maternal family tree all the way back to a second century AD Roman general stationed in a garison behind Hadrians wall. I also know most of my paternal tree back eight generations.

Re:Genealogical data too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545129)

Yes- we all know that looking at lists of dead people's names is paramount to preventing a terrorist attack. Retard.

Before reading the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544744)

I thought this was about the Matrix movie. Thirty three states involved in the making of the Matrix?

Fear Sells. (4, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544746)


Once this MATRIX is proven to be useless, either by failing to catch terrorists or not predicting the next attack, will the government kill the program? Of course not.

Fear has always been a great method to let government erode privacy and rights.

Re:Fear Sells. (1)

warlockgs (593818) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544803)

No of course they won't kill it. They'll just go back to the source, or unleash the squiddie sentinels. Either way, if you own a hovercraft, I'd be watching out if I were you.

This rock keeps tigers away (4, Insightful)

k3v0 (592611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544847)

do you see any tigers? it must work

It keeps away the red herrings, too (0, Troll)

ianscot (591483) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545102)

And the "Patriot" Act sure is preventing terrorist librarians and teachers' unions from blowing up the County Courthouse. I haven't read one story about that on Google. Must be working.

Re:This rock keeps tigers away (4, Insightful)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545110)

When was the last foreign terrorist attack in this country?
9/11

Before that?
Anyone?

1993?

I am NOT arguing with you, "see, we're safe" works for enough folks to keep the population apathetic. It IS creepy, though, when you think about it:
How easy would it be to walk across the Canadian border, walk into a border-town theatre, and blow yourself up?

It seems like this crap happens on a daily basis in the Middle East, but we never see this stuff.

Either they aren't out to get us as much as we think or the government has already been doing a good job.

Believe me, I understand the rammifications of a WMD attack -- looking at what certain chemicals and bioagents can do is very sobering. However I don't think the risk is high enough that the government now has a right to actively suspect (monitor) all citizens without cause.

There is a difference between monitoring a suspect and monitoring everyone. When the government is looking over everyone's shoulders, day and night, you no longer have what I would call a 'free society.'

Cheers

Re:Fear Sells. (5, Funny)

Fascist Christ (586624) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544989)

People hate terrorists. Let's make a list.

People hate child molestors. Let's make a list.

People hate corrupt politicians. Shhhhhh.

Altered Star Wars quote ... (3, Interesting)

Chiron Taltos (694030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544997)

TARKIN:
The regional governors now have direct control over territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this MATRIX.

Re:Fear Sells. (3, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545028)

Hypothetically, though, what happens if it does contribute to blocking a terrorist attack?

Would you change your mind about it?

Would you rather have a few hundred people dead or have a little information stored about you in a database?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

Re:Fear Sells. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545074)

You are assuming that this MATRIX is useless, but thats a pretty retarded assumption.

Let me ask you this, monkey boy- how is your life any different with this? Answer: it isn't, except now its harder for people to kill you. So I suggest you shut the hell up. Retard.

Why do police dogs lick their ass? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544755)

To get the taste of nigger out of their mouth.

Re:Why do police dogs lick their ass? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544928)

Sister just got married to one of us "dirt people," huh? You know we're only in it 'cause she shakes it in one of those nice bathing suits [avalonusa.com] --it is not her sparkling personality or obvious intelligence.

Bear in mind that once she gains 20 lbs and starts lookin more like her momma (and her two or three fathers---aren't you one of them?), then we'll be spending more time "at work."

Which states? (1)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544760)

I don't see a list of which 33 states we're talking about. Does that list exist somewhere?

Re:Which states? (1)

strredwolf (532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544821)

That's what I'm looking for. IF it turns out that Maryland was one, I'm forwarding this to my local press and try to raise awareness of a massive privacy violation.

Re:Which states? (1)

blcamp (211756) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544843)


I'd bet that there are merely 33 *known* states.

The Federales have probably told All Fifty that they better play ball on this one... or else they are Not PATRIOTs.

Re:Which states? (1)

Tassach (137772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544990)

All the Feds have to do to get the states to play ball is threaten to withhold those precious Federal highway funds. This is exactly how the Feds forced all the states to adopt the 55 MPH speed limit and the 21 y/o drinking age.

Don't worry (-1, Offtopic)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544774)

They might get it right the first time, but then they'll think, "Hey, lets do it again. Maybe two more times." And then it will suck ass.

down with big brother... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544783)

down with big brother...down with big brother...down with big brother...

Proof? (2, Insightful)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544786)

Don't worry, there's plenty of RAM for all 50 and the territories too.

Do you actually have some good, solid evidence that the ram is being used for this? Aside from an article at Techworld that thinks it might be. At least try to show a tiny little bit of responsibility in the statements that you make.

Re:Proof? (0, Flamebait)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544849)

Do you actually have some good, solid evidence that the ram is not being used for this? Aside from an article at that thinks it might not be. At least try to show a tiny little bit of responsibility in the statements that you make.

Re:Proof? (4, Insightful)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544878)

I don't have to present burden of proof since I'm not the one making outlandish statements in the first place...nor am I making those statements on the front page of a "news" site and alluding to them being true.

Re:Proof? (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544955)

He meant this article, which was posted on Slashdot a few days ago. Quit being such a troll.

RAM Disk Link [techworld.com]

Re:Proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545040)

Could you at least read the root of this thread where he clearly stated "Aside from an article at Techworld that thinks it might be."

MOD PARENT / GREAT GRANDPARENT UP! (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544975)

Far too many irresponsible statements are made in these headlines that are at best baseless speculation.

If Slashdot editors want to make paranoid claims and assert they are true, they damn well better be able to back them up with FACTS! It's not up to us to prove their wild assertions untrue!

Remember, it's a Michael Story (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544932)

To him, evidence and facts are irrelevant to him.

They're just an incovenience to his leftist, hate-America agenda.

I actually run one website (5, Interesting)

ghettoboy22 (723339) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544789)

Aksearch.net [aksearch.net] is a db I compiled from a few various databases the State of Alaska makes available. I have address and phone numbers for approx 98% of residents of Alaska. I also have DOB for about 5%, and voting records of all eligable voters. All available for free. Scarry huh?

You think thats bad... (5, Informative)

Loualbano2 (98133) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544902)

Head over to this site:

http://www.brbpub.com/pubrecsites.asp [brbpub.com]

Free public records for all states and nationwide databases.

I know for sure that Colorado and Wisconsin have criminal court proceedings online, effectivly putting your police record out there for anyone who knows your name or even parts of your name.

It did come in handy for me lately, as I found out someone gave my name when they were arrested. Had this resource not be available, I may have never known. Now I have to get it off, and they don't make it easy.

-ft

They're not messing around (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544795)

I was recently stopped by the cops (while walking) here in FL. I was stopped for crossing the street with an open container of beer on the way to my neighbor's house.

Anyway, what was spooky about it is they were able to immediately look up my record--I got busted smoking pot at a concert about 10 years ago in NJ--literally a thousand miles away. Even though this was expunged from my record nearly ten years ago, they found out about it from their cars, without me every mentioning that I ever lived anywhere other than FL. That sucks.

yeah, damn the man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544845)

The cops have no business knowing if you were convicted of smoking pot, posessing a firearm, or shooting a cop in another state!

small difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545011)

Smoking pot is a misdemeanor which, in NJ at least, you may pay the state to have expunged from your record if it's a first offense. This is what I did--and I've never been arrested for anything before or since then.

Despite paying to have it expunged and staying out of trouble, it appears this offense from when I was rather young will still follow me around now wherever I live in the US.

Re:small difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545055)

The post right below yours seems particularly relevant:

For example, each participating state must provide a means for an individual to review and challenge the accuracy and completeness of his or her criminal history record, as authorized and required by 28 Code of Federal Regulations, Section 20.21(g).

Give NJ a call and figure out what's up.

And you've been labelled... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545076)

So, the next time they get you they know what to plant on your person to keep you quiet. The gestapo is coming and now they know everything about you.

All hail der fuhror BUSH!!!

Catch-22! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544850)

I love this one from their FAQ: http://www.matrix-at.org/faq.htm

If you can't access the data, how can you find the source!?

CAN THE PUBLIC REVIEW THE MATRIX PILOT PROJECT DATA CONCERNING THEMSELVES?

No. Members of the public cannot access individually identifiable information on themselves or others. Persons wishing to access data pertaining to themselves should communicate directly with the agency or entity that is the source of the data in question. For example, each participating state must provide a means for an individual to review and challenge the accuracy and completeness of his or her criminal history record, as authorized and required by 28 Code of Federal Regulations, Section 20.21(g).

that many states... (3, Funny)

bdigit (132070) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544853)

and the movie still sucked at the end?

matrix (0, Redundant)

firstadopter.com (745257) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544874)

how much of all this anti-terror stuff is really making us safer? I mean look at your airfare next time, we're paying a lot more money to be body searched at the airport now.

Adding injury to insult... (5, Insightful)

amigoro (761348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544875)

Billions of records: The trouble with MATRIX, said Calbrese, is the volume of data it contains, much of which was purchased unbeknown to states by Seisint Inc. Seisint is the Florida information-technology company that developed the idea for MATRIX and landed a $1.6 million contract with that state's Department of Law Enforcement to pilot it.

I am guessing Mr. Ashcroft pay this out of his own pcoket. So this tax payer's money.

Is this going to make you any safer? Doubtful.
Is this going to make you poorer? Yes, Indirectly.
Is this going to make Seisinit richer? Sure.
Is this going to violate your privacy? Most Definitely.

So you are basically paying Seisinit to take away your privacy. This is a bit like this story here. [mithuro.com] But that one is a bit more believable.

Notable quote (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544879)

From the article:
Verdi White, Utah's deputy commissioner of public safety and MATRIX point man, downplays the threat to citizens' privacy, noting most of Seisint's data are public. "A lot of that stuff was purchased on the open market," White said.
That's supposed to make us feel better?

What's the problem? (2, Insightful)

symbolic (11752) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544898)

To quote the article...
Leavitt teamed up with Florida Gov. Jeb Bush -- President Bush's brother -- to pitch MATRIX to other states. The two briefed other governors on the project during a conference call referred to in Feb. 6, 2003, MATRIX board minutes.

A member of the Bush family involved in something deceptive that will further erode our constitutional rights? NEVER, I say, NEVER!

FUCKIN' BUSH (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544914)

Goddamned asshole mother-fucking pile of steaming shit! FUCK YOU GW you mother fucker!!!!

Paranoia day (3, Insightful)

IamGarageGuy 2 (687655) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544920)

Darpa with a new Internet for more control, more MATRIX states. I am starting to get scared. I am Canadian and the only hope we have is that the US has freedom of expression that we can emulate. Please rise up and fight this demon that justifies itself with the "think of the children argument". The end does not justify the means.

The MATRIX (5, Insightful)

Vexware (720793) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544925)

Enough with the MATRIX puns, look at the issue seriously. I live in France and had never heard of this project before, but it sure looks scary, or at least, the government not saying everything about it is.

Can be read in the article: "We don't want our information floating out there when we don't know what's on the database or who has access to it," said Sen. Ron Allen, D-Stansbury Park. It seems the people actually involved in this do not know very much what information will be withheld, let alone the people whose information is withheld. I mean, how can you be sure what you're being told is the truth when you see that the people involved with the project do not know that much about it themselves?

The representatives say that the MATRIX is just a way of accessing individuals' information faster, but I don't really see how this could help them to predict where and when the next terrorist attack will be -- it will only really help them once the acts are actually done, I should think.

I'm not stating that the government are surely up to something dodgy here, and after all, perhaps they might not be lying when they say that this will allow them to get hold of currently available information faster. But I just cannot read this without an ounce of doubt that a few privacy breaches might help them to fulfill their task.

Good thing Leavitt is gone (4, Informative)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544927)

Or we'd never have found out about this. Leavitt recently left to head the EPA, which is odd since I seem to remember that his family has run a business that caused polution and killed a bunch of fish at some point.

When he left for EPA his Lt. Gov, Walker took over and found out about this MATRIX stuff and told the public. I hope Walker or Matheson gets elected next time around.

51 st State (1)

Insipid Trunculance (526362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544950)

Does UK plan to contribute to the MATRIX?Our reichfuhrer David Blunkett has always favoured keep all citizens on Surviellance methods.

On a more Topical note:do the Countries which are closely allied with US such as UK,Canada and Australia plan to join /contribute to this?

ONE fucking event and we lose everything!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544958)

Fuck you!!!! There is not terrorist threat!!! The only threat out there today is this fucking administrations attempts to take away all civil liberties and freedoms. EVERY CITIZEN IS GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!!!!! Fuck this goddamned administration and their right wing religious aganda!!! Blame the fuck that speaks to God in the white house, because he's the looney fuck that started all of this to line his own fucking pockets.

A warm fuzzy one (2, Insightful)

Viggeh! (645439) | more than 10 years ago | (#8544988)

I love feeling guilty until proven innocent. It gives me a warm, fuzzy and safe feeling and makes me able to sleep at night. And remember kids, just as long as everyone videotapes everybody, everything will be alright.

yuo fail ijt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8544996)

Fact 7here won't reciprocating

this will be used for political purposes (2, Interesting)

directrealist (754205) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545006)

it is only a matter of time before this is used to round up non terrorist criminals to make some politician look good. that is essentialy what this kind of information is best for. no terrorist is going to show up with the kind of info they are putting together. there is no way some this will not be used against the peaceful criminals in this country. its a damn shame.

I liike this part: (1)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545024)

It is critical to ensure appropriate safeguards are in place to protect the privacy of personal information within the FACTS database so this accumulation of information will not be used to monitor innocent citizens.

So are they saying they'll use it to only monitor guilty citizens? Guilty of what? Isn't everybody innocent until proven guilty? If they were already proven guilty, why monitor them?

Eliminate the psychopath in power... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545049)

Vote Bush the fuck out of office and our civil liberties and personal freedoms won't be trampled by power hungry war mongers that have no interest in compassion or people.

Compassionate conservative my big hairy fat ass. Fucking retard that destroyed Texas is more like it.

I'm sure that the gestapo will be coming to get me soon for speaking out against this freaking psycho, but so fucking what. Fuck them and their fucked up view of the world.

VOTE BUSH OUT OR WE'RE ALL FUCKED!!!!!!

Some Restraint Made (2, Interesting)

schnarff (557058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545067)

As it turns out, I actually know the person who prototyped the MATRIX system very well -- it's my wife's aunt.

On one hand, this scares me a bit, because I know her work, and she's good -- which means that this system probably functions as intended.

On the other hand, I have the assurances that a) she's a decent person, who generally supports civil liberties and frowns on abuse of government powers; and b) she's explicitly said that there were several requests that the government made during the initial design phase that she explicitly ruled out -- she told the government they were going too far, and that she wouldn't be a part of what they wanted. They actually backed off, too from what I've been told.

Of course, I realize that I have very little credibility here as just another Slashdot poster...but for anyone inclined to believe, the good news is that *some* restraint was made in designing the MATRIX system.

Re:Some Restraint Made (1)

directrealist (754205) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545145)

it not the inventor we are woried about. even if intended for good it will most undoubtedly be used by somone else for evil.

FIRST FIX THE FUCKING FLAG POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545073)

FIX IT
IT IS WRONG

Re:FIRST FIX THE FUCKING FLAG POST (1)

Warlock7 (531656) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545121)

Why do you say that? Maybe you'd rather have it with a slash through it?

John Kerry (2, Informative)

511pf (685691) | more than 10 years ago | (#8545132)

I don't care that much fo John Kerry, but if you want any hope at all of this type of thing going away, you'd better get out and vote for him in November.

Remember the Florida election of 2000 ? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8545151)

Remember the Florida election of 2000 when a private database company scrubbed thousands of eligible voters from the rolls? Well now one of the co-founders of Database Technologies is back in the headlines -- he's working with law enforcement agents in Florida to create what may soon expand into a national surveillance system. We talk with privacy expert Wayne Madsen, investigative reporter Greg Palast and a top intelligence official from the state of Florida.

When is Joe Six pack going to wake up to the fact that in secret the government has conspired to create a dossier on every citzen in this country and this is who they hired to do it:

Hank Asher then creates the MATRIX as a state level network version of the TIA office. Essentially continuing the TIA office, but freeing it from congressional oversight and federal whistleblower protections. He admits smuggling millions of dollars worth of cocaine in 1981 and 1982. Coincidentally at the time when the Iran-Contra dealings were in full swing.
But this is only speculation. Could there be more of a link between illegal dealings between Hank Asher and the republican party? OF COURSE THERE IS!

In 1992, Asher founded Database Technologies, which later merged with ChoicePoint. In 1999, he founded Seisint Inc. by merging two companies. He is still on Seisint's board of directors, and continues to play an active role in the company.During the 2000 presidential election ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters. But it turns out none on the list were guilty of felonies, only misdemeanors.

So there we have it. We went from having a domestic spying agency run by a five time felon to having the same domestic spying program sans congressional oversight and whistle blower protections run by a convicted drug smuggler who has proven that he'll break the law to further the republican agenda.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/oh_republicans .h tm

A Florida law enforcement data-sharing network is about to go national. In the name of counterterrorism, the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security are pouring millions of dollars into the system to expand it to local law enforcement agencies across the nation. It's called Matrix, which stands for Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange. According to the Washington Post, the computer network accesses information that has always been available to investigators but brings it together and enables police to access it with extraordinary speed. Civil liberties and privacy groups say the Matrix system dramatically increases the ability of local police to snoop on individuals.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/08 /0 7/1427223

The Florida company that built the database was founded by the man behind ChoicePoint and Database Technologies. The companies administered the contract that stripped thousands of African Americans from the Florida voter roles before the 2000 election.

Although narrower in scope than John Poindexter's controversial Terrorist Global Information Awareness program, Matrix may serve a similar purpose because it provides unprecedented access to US residents regardless of their criminal background. And states are eager to participate in the new program. On Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security announced plans to launch a pilot program in state law enforcement data-sharing among Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and New York.
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