MS Hotmail Offline For Hours 443
chalker writes "According to CNN, and others, the Hotmail online e-mail service, operated by Microsoft, was down for most of the working day on Friday, affecting 'a significant portion of MS customers.' People are also having trouble accessing products such as the MSN Messenger instant messaging program. The company said it was an internal problem rather than an attack on its system and that it hoped to have service restored by 5:30 p.m. PST. As of 8:15 PM EST, Hotmail appears to be online again."
That explains it... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:That explains it... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:That explains it... (Score:3, Insightful)
Well it just figures (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Well it just figures (Score:5, Informative)
Ummm... no. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you had said "used" (as in past tense), then you'd at least be close. Still wrong, but close. They used one of the BSD's until people called them on it. Hell, for all we know, they still are and just changed the headers that the server hands out to look like a MS box like the other post in this thread shows.
Anyway, you're wrong on all accounts.
Re:Well it just figures (Score:3)
To quote myself:
"They used one of the BSD's"
I said that. How am I wrong?
Dammit (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Interesting)
ahh the joys of the internet.
Re:Dammit (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, I'll say... (Score:3, Informative)
Fortunately I escaped from supporting the end-user general public several years ago, but it was many years earlier that Hotmail stopped working for me. As I recall, it was shortly after Hotmail was purchased by MS that my entire mail quota could be filled with spam in mere days, and it was then that the system got so sluggish and unreliable that it was never a surprise when I couldn't use it. (Microsoft is real
Re:Yeah, I'll say... (Score:4, Funny)
yes, simple and kind Microsoft Corp. offers free email out of the goodness of its heart.
Check those gift-horse teeth.. (Score:5, Insightful)
People do have a right to complain if they feel a service is bad, even if it's free. Especially if it's a service such as e-mail, which is a pain to switch. It takes time and they know this and exploit it.
Re:Yeah, I'll say... (Score:3, Insightful)
Pay $100, get a domain registered for 10 years, pay a few dollars a month for someone to host your mail. This way, you have your "lifetime" email address you can take with you when your provider does something you don't agree with.
Anyone who depends on Hotmail, Yahoo, etc for their important email is not a good idea. The suckers that become dependant will learn the hard way.
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Funny)
Gads, I've had my hotmail account since before Microsoft bought them. It makes a useful account to hand out on Usenet posts, Slashdot or on web pages--I can quickly give any emailer a real address for contact--mainly it's a spamtrap. But I would never ever depend on it for email or cry if it died.
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Funny)
Lee
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Funny)
toes curl, my eyes roll into the back of my head, and jets of steam shoot out of both ears.
You want her to put you in a microwave?
That is Kinky!
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Informative)
perceived levels of freedom
Back in the day, both IBM PCs and Apple Macs were closed systems, their internel workings were undocumented to the outside world. There was, however, one crucial difference. PCs set up the hardware with the BIOS and then went to disk for the OS whereas MACs booted from an internal ROM. Compaq succeeded in cloning the IBM BIOS which meant you could put an IBM floppy in a Compaq machine and it would boot. Some companies tried to clone the Mac but were slapped with lawsuits because you couldn't copy the Apple ROM. The company that supplied IBM with the stuff on their floppies was a Washington startup called Microsoft who had cunningly retained the right to ship MS-DOS seperate from a computer.
Consequently the PC Clone market flourished and IBM lost their control over the PC Platform driving down price while driving up incompatibility. Meanwhile Apple continued to develop their platform. It was a technically superior platform with a unified graphical user interface, used Postscript for printing and SCSI for devices. This made MACs expensive when you did CPU Cycles / $. You could walk into an Apple dealer, choose the bits, go home, plug it all together and it worked whereas you would go to a PC dealer tell him what you want and he's spend a few days building it and battling to get the bits talking to each other but when you got it home it worked.
Because it was difficult to build and maintain PCs, their builders and maintainers looked down on the MAC, it wasn't as fast for the same $, was too easy to use, you didn't have to take the case to pieces to add a peripheral and the only people you knew who had them were too rich to deserve them.
As the builders and maintainers of the PCs of everyone in their social circle, the non-techies trusted the techies opinion, parroting the same lame arguments in PCs vs MACs arguments the world over.
If Pirates of Silicon Valley Is Correct.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Informative)
Apple was very innovative, but made a number of large mistakes that really hurt them in the market. While software for the IBM PC focused on business applications (DBASE and Lotus), the Mac focused on paint programs. It is no surprise that today artists still like Macs.
Apple made some very questionable hardware decisions. They made the original Mac non expandable (no slots, you even needed a special tool to open the case, didn't change until the Mac II), even though expansion was a key to the Apple II's success (they totally ignored their hacker roots). They did thing like use a self ejecting floppy drive, which was patented by Sony and drove up the price. They had a one button mouse and a keyboard where a lot of keys were unsupported (including the forward delete key). They made their own networking hardware (localtalk) which although cheaper was slow, and had connectors which were non-locking (causing endless technical support problems).
Sure, you could go into a store and by Mac bits, and they would all work, but that is because they had a lock on the hardware and the software. The Mac has had its share of low level problems and incompatibilities. Some of the famous ones include a bad virtual memory implementation (which was so bad most users turned it off) and 28 bit vs. 32 bit addressing (it broke a lot of badly written software so there was a switch to turn it off). Imagine using a machine where you had no virutal memory, and running out of memory becuase you opened and closed programs in a certain order.
In the beginning (pre 1995), Apple had a better operating system than Windows. They innovated the GUI, and they had technical advantages, such as things like a flat address space. But Windows caught up and overtook the Macintosh, both in terms of user interface and developer tools. Before OS 10, the mac was still mostly 68k assembly, and was very difficult to program and debug on. Also, until OS 10 there was no protected memory, meaning it was easy for one badley behaved program to take down the system.
When Apple moved to the Power PC in about 1995, instead of porting their operating system, they ran most of it in emulation. Which ment slower speeds and more difficult debugging for developers.
While Apple patched and limped along, Microsoft built Windows NT from the ground up, written mostly in C (so it was portable). While previous Microsoft operating systems were more like the Mac, NT had protected memory and preemptive multitasking, two features that are critical to a modern, stable operating system.
So while Apple had the early lead, they had a wealth of technical problems and poor hardware choices which hurt their platform.
Re:Dammit (Score:5, Informative)
Building a computer from parts might be easy for you, but that does not make it "easy". Most people can't handle it. They want to buy a computer and take it out of the box and plug it in and turn it on. This goes for PCs or Macs.
Have you used a Mac that was manufactured in the past half decade? You can use any USB mouse with them, including your seven-buttons-with-scroll-wheel optical mouse. They use PCI, AGP, ATA, and USB for expansion. They have a "taskbar", it's called the Dock.
Windows's popularity is entirely attributable to Worse is Better [jwz.org].
Re:Dammit (Score:3, Insightful)
is a relative term
opening the case and removing / inserting cards is considered harder than plugging in a scsi cable
> put the jumpers in the right places
ah, you seem to have missed the irq conflicting fun and the 'this board is hardwired to use address 0x300' when 0x300 was the reserved 'development' address manufacturers were supposed to leave free but often did quite the opposite.
I'm basing my story on working in b2b computer retail from 1990ish onwards in the time before Windows wh
Thanks, Microsoft! (Score:5, Funny)
Don't let it happen again, Microsoft.
Re:Thanks, Microsoft! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Thanks, Microsoft! (Score:3, Insightful)
3rd party connections (Score:5, Interesting)
This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, hotmail was down, boo-hoo. It's a free email service. Deal with it.
Why is slashdot determined to report every single trivial detail when it comes to Microsoft? Try to stick with the big stories, please, not "Bill Gates forgets to lift toilet seat!" or "Steve Ballmer takes up two parking spaces in Microsoft parking lot!"
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure RMS [stallman.org] would disagree with you.
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:3, Funny)
Would it help if they started referring to their service as GNU/Hotmail? ;-)
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Insightful)
What is interesting is how:
- Microsoft responds, their press releases etc.
- Possible reasons for failure
- What others can learn from these kind of failures, to prevent them happening.
- That such a large system that must deal with a massive number of requests has completely gone down instead of the service degrading due to servers failing, etc..
Lighten up a bit, i'm honestly suprised it would go down for a significant amount of time.
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Insightful)
Nope this problem is a central database problem, probably they tried to normalize the passport database, screw the pooch and had to roll everything back which is why it took so long.
Or maybe they changed a permission and spend the whole day figuring out which one did it.Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Interesting)
In theory it should only take a matter of minutes to rollback the entire thing... and you would've thought they'd test it before deploying any changes.
Sounds like somebody screwed the pooch on this one.
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:3, Interesting)
They proabably rolled a change out to all servers via SMS (not the text messaging protocol) and couldn't back it out
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:2, Interesting)
So it's not necessarily a "petty" thing as a "nice to know" thing... like all other slashdot stories... you are within your rights to refrain from reading the articles... no need to get grouchy if an article doesn't suit your taste. JUS
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:3, Informative)
The same goes for any service. Not just MS.
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:5, Informative)
I'm jharper@hotmail.com (I'm not afraid of posting the address publicly, i think i'm on every mailing list I could be on anyway
So if I used the account seriously, rather than just as an address I can hand out if I need to hand one out, i'd need the extra space to hold all the spam that built up overnight.
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:4, Insightful)
It makes me smile that it never went down when it was running on FreeBSD (shameless advocacy), although, to be fair, this incident was almost certainly due to an architectural weakness or network hardware failure and not an OS issue. I guess we'll never know...
This is news? (Score:5, Funny)
-a
Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! (Score:4, Informative)
They're trying to prove to the world that Microsoft is incompetent and evil. Those of us that use Windows must all be real morons who don't know shit, so they're hoping that by pointing out that Steve Ballmer double-parked we'll finally "see the light!" It wouldn't bother me except that it is generally assumed that my choice to use Windows 2000 wasn't voluntary. Slashbots think that Microsoft's monopoly put a Windows box on my desk at both home and at work. Yeah, there might be some truth to it. But seriously, if Windows was the big lump of shit that the people stuck in the past imagine it to be, I wouldn't be able to do 3D rendering on it.
I agree with you that the petty "anything that can be spun against Microsoft" campaign is childish and obnoxious, but in this case, it was nice to find out why Hotmail was down. It's also nice to know when the next big worm breaks. Slashdot's helped me stay protected for years now.
I just hope one day Slashdot will take Microsoft a little more seriously instead of the righetous BS that I need to be running Linux even though my work software isn't running on it.
*sigh* This post isn't going to be visible for very long. Pity. At least it felt good to let it out.
Paid for services down too. (Score:5, Interesting)
Well it WAS working until you /.'ed it. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well it WAS working until you /.'ed it. (Score:2, Informative)
No text, i.e., the subject _is_ the whole message.
Re:Well it WAS working until you /.'ed it. (Score:2, Flamebait)
Date in the story? (Score:5, Informative)
This story isn't even relevant at this point.
Re:Date in the story? (Score:5, Funny)
In reality most hours are the same length. Hotmail was down for a few standard-length hours.
Re:Date in the story? (Score:4, Funny)
Anyone who's watched the "time remaining" during a Windows installation or a large file copy ("...but it's been 3 minutes remaining for the past half hour!") knows that Microsoft uses their own, superior standards for time measurement, rather than slavishly adhering to those obsolete SI units.
Hotmail was only down for 10 MS-minutes.
My question (Score:3, Funny)
I agree completely... The only thing is... where do I go to bitch when
Redundancy anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Redundancy anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
I think someone was implementing a new backup scheme and decided it would be a good idea to dismount the store, move it over to another cluster.
Course it looks like if people managed to get on their service was fine, so maybe they screwed up some passwords. Time will tell this story
Re:Redundancy anyone? (Score:3, Informative)
News for nerds? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:News for nerds? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:News for nerds? (Score:5, Informative)
Throwaway accounts should never be, out of all places, registered on Hotmail.com. They suspend your account if you don't login for 30 days. At least Yahoo!Mail or other free alternatives let you forget the account for few months and not get penalized for it.
Re:News for nerds? (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't that the idea of a throwaway account?
Re:News for nerds? (Score:5, Interesting)
It is also my first email account (got it in 96) and so now people can still contact me after I've moved around the world.
When a service like Hotmail and MSN go down for a few hours it affects ALOT (millions) of people... nerd included... why shouldn't it be on the frontpage? I know I was interested enough to click on the articles (though I agree they are sparse on details)
Addbo
Re:News for nerds? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:News for nerds? (Score:3, Funny)
Internal problems? (Score:2, Funny)
That must have been one heck of an internal problem for it to knock out Hotmail AND MSN Messenger. Maybe their servers BSoD'd!
Single point of failure (Score:5, Interesting)
That must have been one heck of an internal problem for it to knock out Hotmail AND MSN Messenger.
For example, the problem might have lain in the Passport login servers. Single sign-on is a single point of failure.
Re:Single point of failure (Score:5, Interesting)
At any rate, just because its one password in no way means you can't have a cluster of 5000 servers all storing and accepting transactions for it. I'd hardly call passport servers in Russia, the U.S., Germany, England, China, Japan etc... a single point of failure.
Normally I'd just assume you were referring to the password issue but right now that has nothing to do with this story so I'll just leave my assumptions out this....and the world collapses (Score:5, Funny)
Re:...and the world collapses (Score:3, Funny)
Has your penile growth rate slowed? Did you miss your daily dose of hot sex with lesbian teens? Are you now low on credit? I think you could sue Microsoft if you answered yes to any of these.
In other news.... (Score:5, Funny)
Looks like "Passport" problems (Score:5, Interesting)
Judging fromt the description that people had problems logging in, but that things work fine once logged in, and OTOH that Messenger had problems too, I would conclude that the problem is with their Passport infrastructure.
Re:Looks like "Passport" problems (Score:5, Informative)
Here is today error message for my hotmail account: It was worst on Friday though: there was not even an error message as loginnet.passport.com was either dead or unreachable.
Problem trying to explain to clients (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps if it was some routine maintenance on Microsoft's part, they could forewarn people about it? It affects a lot of people's lives, whether free or not.
Microsoft quality. (Score:4, Funny)
Microsoft is very good at maintining their own products and services. Imagine how well Hotmail and MSN have to be configured to be in proper working order to gain respectible uptimes.
With that in mind, just remember: All those Windows boxes have to be restarted at some point. Hats off to MS for holding out as long as they did.
(Flamewar disclaimer: It's a joke. Laugh.)
Cool!!!! Three day old news! (Score:4, Insightful)
This was announced (Score:4, Funny)
Microsoft products and services never suffer any sort of failure that is not announced first. This was not exploited and service was not denied. With our services working, we suspect a massive monitor failure caused by a new virus coded by a member of the linux community. We enjoy providing hotmail, and DEATH TO THE SPAMMER!
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf
Director of Public Relations
Microsoft, Inc.
i was talking to MS customer support when (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:i was talking to MS customer support when (Score:4, Funny)
Lets get this stright. You -brought- windows XP.
Re:i was talking to MS customer support when (Score:4, Funny)
Lets get this stright. You -brought- windows XP.
No, he bought Windows XP.
BSD is dead!!! (Score:2, Troll)
This is why everyone should subscribe to /. ... (Score:5, Funny)
Hotmail offline - spam decreased (Score:3, Funny)
What I liked most... (Score:2, Interesting)
not know if they were under attack or not.
They first thought some hacker took down their
system. Then they realized it was some "internal"
fsck-up.
How can a service of that magnitude with M$
money backing it not realize it was/was not
under attack?
Even if there were some coincidental attack
going on at the same time (it's probably
a constant issue with big sites), it's
shocking that they could not properly analyze
the attack to see if it could explain something
like, oh,
Boy am I relieved (Score:4, Funny)
I was about to leave, satisfied that the network was back to running as normal, but people started complaining that they couldn't reach hotmail. That seemed weird since hotmail is typically rock solid... I got kinda stressed by this, thought maybe I was dealing with a bizarre netmask thru DHCP or perhaps a DNS failure.
What a relief... hotmail was broken
Neither Use Hotmail nor Messenger but... (Score:3, Interesting)
That said, both these services have millions of users. And from what I hear from these users, both services go down pretty frequently, messenger especially so.
Apparently things have gotten worse since MSN 6 came into being. I have seen MSN 6, and it has the words "lame ass" written all over it.
If what I hear is true, it takes 2 minutes to login to MSN 6. Quite a lot of your IMs are bounced back.
Considering I got this ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Luckily I don't use Hotmail (or any other Microsoft product).
Re:Considering I got this ... (Score:3, Funny)
Variable is undefined: 'agent_isSafari'
(It's a joke! Don't hate me mods)
Hmmmm (Score:4, Funny)
its proof centralisation is bad (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm hoping consumers learn from this and learn about the importance of decentralisation, and from now on make choices taking into account decentralisation too..
sorry, just thought this thread needed someone to expand on this little event
Can I sue? (Score:5, Funny)
Lets get this straight (Score:5, Insightful)
And if you base your business on Hotmail, i'd say you have a serious I.T. decisions problem.
Re:Lets get this straight (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd totally agree. But it doesn't change the fact that a very large number of small businesses do use hotmail email addresses. I can walk down any highstreet near where I live and see hotmail addresses on shop windows and the side of vans.
Hotmail has become the choice for people that know nothing about IT and just want something simple that works.
Re:Lets get this straight (Score:4, Interesting)
Last, but by no means least, anyone who uses other Passport authenticated services, like MSDN (Costs over $2K a year, I have it) was unable to connect. Considering that many of those services are the very ones that people need to prep for deployment of XP SP2, which I would wager a lot of organizations were planning on testing and/or deploying this weekend, having the tech resources needed to properly configure and evaluate that deployment off-line presents a major problem.
Your assertion that no-one of consequence, or who paid for a service, was harmed is complete BS. It simply indicates that you have no idea what else Passport authenticates, or maybe even how Hotmail works.
A successful migration? (Score:5, Interesting)
From the MS case study [microsoft.com] on converting Hotmail from FreeBSD to 2K:
> Changing the operating system on each server should have
> zero impact on day-to-day operations.
No impact whatsoever....if you ignore uptimes
> Under FreeBSD, bugs and memory leaks would often go
> undetected because of the lack of tools. With Windows 2000
> and IIS 5, the tools exist to optimize the performance and
> truly understand exactly what the code is doing at all
> times.
Crikey, handy they've got all those tools to help them out (soooo unlike FreeBSD with all it's bug leaks). Looks like it's saved their asses this time round...
</sarcasm>
Microsoft: Where do you want go today?
Customer: I want to take a rock solid service that has true customer value and turn it into a spam ridden, bug infested hole that doesn't work half the time and customers hate.
Microsoft: Consider it done!
Re:A successful migration? (Score:3, Insightful)
You mean I can attach a debugger to a running Windows kernel just like I can with UNIX kernels and look at header files and documentation to understand the data structures and run-time parameters?
Vendor-paid case studies. Lame 2001 reference: "My god, it's full of lies!"
Any IT professional that relies on a vendor-provided case study for decision makin
invasive Microsoft feature poor market domination (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Microsoft: assessed:
- it will get 15-50% of the market simply because of who it is, and will either be Market leader, or number 2.
2. All the others, which get assessed mainly 50-90% on product features.
So then of course the advice has to be, well one of the advantages of selecting the MS product because you know that you won't have to convert the data from some other system that will be driven into the ground by MS.
I can only advise clients the "truth" - that is what I get paid for, but I am not happy with this situation.
In this particular market segment, I can say that MS would not get in the "top 3" in terms of features.
This is a terribly sad situation to be in, and people need to be reminded of this regularly. The lack of action by authorities on Monopoly practices appears to show that the MS Billions have won the day.
I am not a Linux-plugger, and I know that MS has produced some good services, however these days they are way beyond the scope of traditional monopoly abuse. Are all politicians and scientists out there so "chicken" or greedy?
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Simple Answer = Patch-Day at Hotmail (Score:4, Funny)
TechAdmin: We have to install the latest Mediaplayer updates on the Hotmail servers.
Executive Manager: Why, that means downtime - for every minute downtime of hotmail.com I get less bonus! The servers stay up!
TA: But we have to install these updates because without them we can not patch the servers.
EM: Why do we need to patch the servers?
TA: To make them more secure.
EM: But we use our own MS Products...
TA: That's we need to patch so often!
EM: But the latest patches were not labeled even 'critical'
TA: That's because of Steve and Bill and the guys from marketing, so they can tell everyone that our products are secure.
[May someother continue...]
I suspected as much (Score:4, Funny)
google news headline (Score:5, Funny)
"Microsoft restores faulty Hotmail service"
I thought that said it all.
This was NOT a Hotmail outage (as such) (Score:5, Informative)
Unlike Hotmail, which still runs primarily on UNIX, Passport is entirely based on Windows servers.
Passport is the authentication / single sign-on system for all these MSN services. If it's down, everything's down. And sadly it has proven a little unreliable recently, for reasons never disclosed.
The Scene at Microsoft Towers... (Score:3, Funny)
Dave (not really paying attention): Yeah. Sure. Why not. We've got that Magic Roll-back Button they told us about in MSCE class, haven't we...
Jim: Cool. click... Uhh.. Approve.. yeah, that's it. click... Woohoo. Damn, this makes patch management easy! Christ, I'm smart.
FX: Alarms... sirens... flashing lights...
Dave (sighing)
Jim: Uh-oh. I'll call someone.
Dave (rising panic): But.... the button! It said... roll back! (..close to tears now...) Oh, why does this happen every time... *sobs*
Not only Hotmail... (Score:3, Informative)
Microsoft IE Patch KB832894 - Could Wreck the Web (Score:4, Informative)
A recent cumulative update patch for Internet Explorer browsers removes support for the user:pass@www.site.com basic authentication method for HTTP and HTTPS URL's - a response to widespread misuse of the functionality to spoof web addresses to trick unsuspecting users into revealing personal information to a dubious third-party. However, a side effect of this patch includes intermittent clobbering of hidden form fields used to maintain state or session on sites that do not implement cookies. This will render most script driven web sites useless.. Also, installing this patch clears out and resets any internal IE cache of username and password combinations used on frequently visited sites, causing people to have to enter these details anew.
It is likely that this issue may be responsible for the recently reported Hotmail and MSN related outages (CNN [cnn.com]) and a variety of increasing problems on many other web sites as users continue to install the update patch into their IE browser over time. A MS TechNet [microsoft.com] article describes this problem and proposes workarounds - one is to uninstall the patch, or install a new patch to fix the previous patch for users of IE 6.0 and higher. Web site operators are also encouraged to increase the server KeepAlive connection timeout, although a specific numeric suggestion isn't proposed. There is an informative thread on this topic available in the Google Groups [google.com] UseNet archives. Apparently this issue has been growing more problematic over the past five weeks, and will continue to effect sites and users unless steps are taken to address it.
IMHO: An illustrative analogy to this problem would be like your automobile manufacturer determining that accidents are caused by vehicles in motion. As a solution, all tires will be removed, thereby preventing accidents. What a great cure.
Re:Stop the presses! (Score:4, Informative)
And your ignorance of news is blinding you to the fact that all the other major news sites reported hotmail and msns outages as well.
Even CNN had it as a top story in the technology section.
Re:Predictable (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, it would make more sense when Microsoft would claim it was an attack. Internal problems can be blaimed on the company (bad software design, bad system administration, etc.), external attacks can't, only for a lack of security or something like that. But in most cases, a company gets away quite well with an external attack.
Re:Predictable (Score:4, Insightful)
it would make more sense when Microsoft would claim it was an attack. Internal problems can be blaimed on the company ...
With Win2000, Microsoft was working hard to get away from their reputation for instability. Some of this they fixed with software changes, and some with marketing propaganda.
With Longhorn, Microsoft is working twice as hard to get away from their rep for insecurity. At least for the moment, it is better to have their systems appear a tad unstable than insecure.
jwg
The guy is right (Score:4, Insightful)
Heck, if the FOSS world was held accountable for, say, Sourceforge or Slashdot reliability, we'd all be in a world of hurt.