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Review Of Verizon's New Wireless Network

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the time-and-place-restrictions dept.

Wireless Networking 202

jagger writes "The service gives you the speed of broadband, the ease of WiFi and the coverage of cellular... sort of. The service is currently rolled out in Washington D.C. and San Diego, CA but offers speeds comparable to broadband. Read the full review from Rob Pegoraro of the Washington Post at Yahoo News."

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huh? (0, Troll)

bbdd (733681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574126)


Re:huh? (4, Funny)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574148)


This is probably why there aren't a lot of posts to this article, yet. Every Slashdot reader is frantically trying to order "boradband".

Re:huh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574174)

Are you kidding me? "boradband" has over 4,300 hits on Google [] ! This technology is hot stuff!

Re:huh? (-1)

rusty-nail abortion (470272) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574227)

Sean Kelly [] , known to his pedophile [] IRC [] friends as drdink [] , was spending a normal Tuesday afternoon at work in the bowels of a nameless office [] at Creighton [] University. He sat hunched over his small terminal, one hand clutching a warm, flat can of Coke. The other occupied its usual position: down his pants, inside moist He-Man underwear, massaging the tiny member dangling in his loins. Perhaps a bit of background is needed at this point.

Sean spent all his waking hours on IRC; he was a well known "operator" [] of the homosexual "chat room" #slashdot [] . In fact, Sean possessed great power over his IRC subjects, for not only did he operate #slashdot, he was an IRC operator as well. Sean smirked gleefully when he thought about his power over the IRC rabble, and took great pleasure in kicking them off and "K-lining" them. K-lining had become a masturbatory ritual for Sean--the banning of an innocent user coupled with subsequent jacking off gave him sexual thrills of the highest variety.

Sean had spent the past few hours in his daily ritual of scouring the internet for child pornography while desperately trying to seduce young boys on Yahoo Chat. Suddenly his computer beeped at him.

"What the fuck," he stuttered in his high-pitched, feminine voice, tinged with his genetic speech impediment.

His IRC window was blinking. He moved his kiddie porn half way down the screen and looked to see a message from a gay lover.

drwiii>> there's problems over in #kuro5hin right now

drdink> omg wtf
drwiii> some asshole "qpt" is piping messages from #crapfloodchan1, 2, 3 and into the channel
drdink> i don't FUCKING care. can't you tell i'm trying to download kiddie porn to share with you? #kuro5hin is a bunch of metros anyway. fuck that shit.
drwiii> c'mon dinkie-poo, i got a big surprise for you if you'll deal with it... (slurp)
drdink> ok fine goddammit

Sean quickly deleted the #crapfloodchan group, and went into to, the official Kuro5hin channel.

drdrink> ok faggits what the FUCK is going on here!?!?!?!

Michael_Jackson> nothing drdink, how are you on this fine, sunny afternoon?
drdink> god-fucking-dammit Michael_Jackson did i ask for your opinion you SHITHEAD!!!
Michael_Jackson> please accept my humble apologies drdink, i did not mean to offend you.
* drdink set +b *!*@* (nullo)
gangsta> dude that wasn't very nice
* drdink set +b *!*@* (stfu and die)
Weenus> ror
* drdink set +b *!*@* (fagort)
jizmak> hey drdink we're still friends, though right?

And with that, Sean deleted and banned This excitement made Sean very aroused, and he quickly pulled his pants down to his ankles with his bony disfigured arm. His penis stood at full attention, a scant 3 inches, thin and curving violently to the right. He began to rub it with his withered, deformed hand, whispering a litany of curses against kurons and their ilk. His excitation grew and grew; as he reached his climax a pitiful droplet of semen dribbled onto his finger.

Then, Sean's boss walked in.

"Oh Sean, can you take this to the.. OH CHRIST! NOT AGAIN!!!!!" His face turned red and he immediately turned to face the wall once he saw what Sean was doing.


Sean scrambled to pull his pants up and began walking backwards out of the office. His boss was still screaming expletives at the top of his lungs. Sean made it down the corridor and pushed the door to the outside open, in a daze. Thrust out into the sunlight, outside of his natural environment, Sean began to cry in agony. He covered his working eye with his hand. Big tears began to roll down his face... "all I ever wanted was to jack off to kiddie porn and FreeBSD," he explained through his sobbing.

A group of young boys, around 10 or 11 years old, were running through the grass outside and took notice of Sean's bawling. One of children recognized Sean, and perked up.

"Hey, that's the asshole who tried to show me his wee-wee!" He exclaimed, looking to his friends for approval to take the lead.

"Gross," a couple other kids said, "let's go throw rocks at him."

The children scampered about, finding rocks in the nearby plants. They approached Sean from the side. "Hey dickhead, look!" said the leader as he threw a baseball-sized rock as hard as possible right at Sean's face. The rock cracked Sean right on the forehead and he tumbled to the ground, screaming. The children ran off, laughing nervously. Blood ran down Sean's face as he cried, rubbing his fresh wound.

"I guess it serves me right... (sobbing)... maybe I shouldn't be such an asshole to people on IRC."


It's probably a misprint... (2, Funny)

bcore (705121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574296)

..up here in Ontario, Rogers cable offers boredband, where you click on links just like usual, then get bored waiting for pr0n on their so called "high speed network". It fucking rocks.

Re:It's probably a misprint... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574390)

perhaps instead of looking at pr0n you could go outside and get the real deal, sure it might cost you dinner for a few weeks but after the trial you get it for a really low fee

Suspicious... (3, Funny)

twilightzero (244291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574127)

Sounds too much like a Ginsu..."It slices, it dices, it can even cut a steel can! Call now, operators are standing by!" Personally I'm a bit suspicious of products that claim to do everything, they invariably do at least half the stuff they claim but are good at none of it.

Re:Suspicious... (5, Interesting)

falconed (645790) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574155)

Sounds pretty lame. The article says it's $80/month, you don't get email or voice phone, and it isn't an always on service. And you have to use their hardware. Lot of money for not a lot of features. I bet you could get better service by wardriving.

Re:Suspicious... (5, Insightful)

twilightzero (244291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574200)

I agree, as the article says probably nobody will get it except those who can write it off as a business expense. Unless the price drops precipitously it will quickly become just another service that home users will never get - think Nextel 2-way wireless radio on your cell phone. Nobody gets it except companies who can drop the money and write it off.

Re:Suspicious... (3, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574286)

...those who can write it off as a business expense. Unless the price drops precipitously...

The gov't will have to raise taxes to make up for lost revenue.

Re:Suspicious... (4, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574455)

think Nextel 2-way wireless radio on your cell phone. Nobody gets it except companies who can drop the money and write it off.

I think that there is another reason for that.

Imagine if people were using that 2-way walkie talkie function for "regular" as in non business related ways.

Picture an executive in a high level meeting. He's laying down the law to mid level execs and as he's deriding them for their lack of vision and focus...BEEP BEEP "Henry! I told you to pick up diapers and tampons on your way home last night. Maybe I should just have the pool boy do it, he takes care of the rest of my needs anyway!"

Or imagine you're at a bank going over the terms of the mortgage for your first home. Suddenly your Stiffler-Esque buddy from college chimes in BEEP BEEP "Yo fuckstick! I've been calling your apartment all day, I know you're not at work, I tried there too. You're not fucking my mom again are you?"

I suspect that only businesses have signed on to this because they still have the ability to fire people for misuse.


Re:Suspicious... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574322)

"I bet you could get better service by wardriving."

Yeah, it makes a lot more sense to go around looking for hotspots rather than having broadband access whereever you are. I can just see you running around looking for a free cell spot because you don't want to pay cell phone charges.

Re:Suspicious... (2, Insightful)

ezzzD55J (697465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574323)

Indeed, but what if you could replace your home connection and phone? It'd be worth $80..

Re:Suspicious... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574336)

I've spent the last couple weekends war-walking the National Mall, Clevland Park, Capitol Hill and dupont circle. Woodley and Van Ness will be this weekend's projects. Suffice to say, war-driving in DC will NOT get you better coverage than Verizon.

There are lots of unprotected default "linksys" and "netgear" wireless points in the residential areas ;however, I've had little luck getting signal in the Capitol/Mall area.

Re:Suspicious... (3, Interesting)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574186)

Well, the big thing is probably that there's probably not too many folks using it.

Wait till it gets popular, then it'll start slowing down. ;)

My only doubt (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574303)

Only one question remains:

Is it 6,000 times faster than DSL?

(sorry, but someone had to say it)

Re:Suspicious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574362)

A:B comparision
Verison : Ricochet wireless service. Ricochet was 2x faster downloading text and pics (ie. drudgereport).

This is wireless dsl in name only for the suckers signing up left and right in San Diego

Re:Suspicious... (-1, Offtopic)

tealover (187148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574373)

George Bush loses one of his "allies". Spain's new PM bitch-slaps Bush with his renunciation of Iraq war and Bush's unilateralism.

Things look bad for Bush.

And I am happy.

did you RTFA? (5, Interesting)

MC_Cancer_Pants (728724) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574474)

3G has been put off for a long time, i'm suprised it hasn't come until now. This (to the best of my knowledge) qualifies itself as 3G. From a company like verizon I believe it. Rikachet failed because it was a solo project of a company that relied on their wireless internet service only. Verizon is already well-established and doesn't need this to produce revenue immediately. As far as $80/month being too much, take a look at how many people pay $50/month to bluetooth through their cell-phone with increadibly long login time and unreliable service-coverage.

By the way, this article was written by a reporter who probably either didn't know very much about the technology or was addressing it as being nice and easy to use, even for lusers (the "difficult to get working in a PC" comment). He claims it works wonderfully without any problem, he hasn't been payed to say it, and didn't say very much of anything on the negative side about it. This technolgy is not new (look at japan) I suggest you save your tinfoil for annother day's hat.

Paraphrased Review: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574128)


FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574130)

WEeee =)

So (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574133)

Is it good or is it wack?

Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574310)

Is it on teh spoke?

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these

Imagine John Kerry using a whack!

Kickass.. (0, Redundant)

kid-noodle (669957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574136)

I must see if we have this boradband in the UK - how does it compare to broadband?

Re:Kickass.. (2, Funny)

kid-noodle (669957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574161)


They ruined my joke!

Since when did /. fix speeling errors that fast?

Nice, but how about bluetooth? (5, Interesting)

weave (48069) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574140)

I think I'd pay $80/month for speeds like that. I have T-mobile GPRS and it's really nice having wireless net access on the road, although T-mobile's service is painfully slow.

The biggest blocking factor for me on Verizon is the lack of bluetooth phones. My t610 joined with my Powerbook is a shear joy (except for the speed). Bluetooth is great. Verizon sucks for not having any handsets that use it (or pressuring manufactures to make a decent CDMA phone with bluetooth).

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (1)

laddhebert (570948) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574187)

Haven't you heard? Bluetooth is dead : 7 []



Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (2, Funny)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574239)

If it was on slashdot, then it _can't_ be wrong!!!! :-)

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (2, Informative)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574235)

Haven't you heard about the potentially upcomming V710 [] from Motorola?

The big thing about EV-DO is that it's data-only, with no voice network with it. So the assumption is you just buy an EV-DO card and use that.

The other problem is that Bluetooth is unfairly been victimized by wifi hype and, at the same time, not yet been done "right" in such a way that it becomes a must-have feature.

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (1)

weave (48069) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574364)

Wow, interesting. Thanks. But I guess it doesn't work with this new network. Another unfortunate thing is that my powerbook doesn't have a PC CARD slot. :-(

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574485)

Anybody I've shown a bluetooth headset coupled with a phone featuring voice dial to instantly thinks it's a must have feature.

Customer: "Uhh...what's this bluetooth thing?"
Seller: "You can sync your phone to your computer with it...and you might get slow net access through it"
Customer: "Hmm...interesting"
Seller: "Oh, and here's a wireless headset that works with it"

Wrong order, if you ask me. People in general are still more interested in the voice applications of cellular hardware, as opposed to data. BTW, I suspect Jabra and Sony Ericsson are handing out their hardware like candy for use as props in shows like Threat Matrix, Alias, and 24. Maybe that will help.

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (2, Interesting)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574638)

Very true.

The odd thing is that the idea of a wireless bluetooth headset is very long in the ...ehrm... tooth. Support for it is in the standard, but they took their time including bluetooth chips in the phones.

And, really, a tiny Bluetooth earbud that you pull out like your stylus (shades of star trek, really) is what would make a Treo form-factor phone more marketable.

The other problem, I think, is that nobody's spent the time to really think of some whack applications other than that to sell it. The Bluetooth GPS paired with the digital camera that notes the current location, time, etc. The digital camera that queries all of the people in the area's PDAs for their business card so that you know who's in the picture. Off-the-wall stuff like that which nobody's given much thought to writing universal interfaces and support for.

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (1)

lockholm (703003) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574290)

From the article: Its Windows-only PC Card modem...

You might run into at least one other problem while trying to use Verizon's service with your Powerbook. Maybe they'll update this soon?

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (2, Interesting)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574378)

although T-mobile's service is painfully slow

Actually, T-Mobile's service is pretty fast. If you're getting consistant speeds of 5-10 kilobytes per second, you're doing well. Really, it's the latency that worries me. I always get 800 to 1000ms in that department. That's fine for some things, but it seems to make intolerant programs time out, and multiplayer gaming is out of the question.

P.S. Look into T-Mobile's Unlimited Internet VPN service. It's no more expensive than the normal unlimited, but you have to actually ask for it. You get a public IP, although incoming connections are blocked.

Re:Nice, but how about bluetooth? (1)

weave (48069) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574584)

Yeah, I have VPN. No ports blocked. Others can probably get it by using the APN I bet.

GPRS is a bit spotty where I live (northern Delaware) but was really good in Phoenix area when I was out there in January. I had an ssh session open to my box fixing a problem as my buddy drove from Goodyear AZ about 40 miles to Fountain Hills. Never dropped connection once. Even worked up around Crazy Eds in Cave Creek!

But yeah, latency is a drag. Editing text files over ssh can be a chore. Fortunately, bbedit on the mac has sftp support which makes it easy to edit files locally and save remotely.

Good stuff (4, Interesting)

mytec (686565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574144)

We are starting to deploy the cards on sales laptops. While most of our sales guys are out of the highest speed markets noted in the article, the card and software have worked very well and both are an absolute cinch to install and use.

Re:Good stuff (3, Interesting)

jc42 (318812) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574718)

So when will we mac and linux users be permitted to use it? Or is there an exclusive deal with MS that locks us out?

My job requires that I do all the development on linux and OSX. Windows isn't permitted except as a leaf node (for UI testing), due to the extreme security problems. So I could easily get a business deduction for it, but not if I have to use MS software in the gateway/firewall.

sign me up. (5, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574151)

I have to give some credit to Verizon for really putting their competitors to shame. I pay $30 a month for DSL thats 1024/256 Mb/s I get excellent customer service. I had been an earthlink customer prior to this for over 5 years and got tired of there ever creeping up prices. My only concern here is it seems this is basically WiFi via there current cell phone network. if so then again we are going to run into the local bells muscling the market.

Re:sign me up. (3, Informative)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574249)

Uhhh.... Verizon *is* the local bell muscling the market.

Re:sign me up. (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574319)

I pay $30 a month for DSL thats 1024/256 Mb/s

You meant Kb/s, right?

Re:sign me up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574706)

no.. with BIC-TCP it comes out much faster than DSL

Re:sign me up. (1, Troll)

primus_sucks (565583) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574459)

Its Windows-only PC Card modem...

Sign me too up when it runs on a real OS, not some insecure, overpriced POS.

Re:sign me up. (2, Informative)

nbvb (32836) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574652)

So shall I enable EVDO on your account now?

...and the rest of the country? (5, Interesting)

D-Fly (7665) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574501)

The article leaves out some interesting details. Like--how many antennas per square kilometer do you need to get this kind of speed? When I lived in Santa Cruz, Ricochet [] did one of their first deployments around town. This was in the early 90s, so you were getting 2400bps (yeah, bps) wireless all over town, which was kind of cool. Except they had to hang transmitters from every other light pole to blanket town. I think that's one of the reasons they never caught on: deploying infrastructure was too expensive.

It sounds to me like Verizon has something with much better range going here, but I guess Pegoraro didn't think to ask.

One of the reasons I'm interested is that my parents live in one of those oft-forgotten places in the US where high speed internet is a far-away dream. The town (population 500) is about an hour's drive over a terrible mountain road from civilization, so the local CLEC never bothered to run phone lines in: they just set up this crappy microwave link on top of a mountain.

No cable, no wired phone lines: needless to say, broadband is impossible (satellite being the unacceptable semi-exception). Which makes going back to hang out at the ranch pretty annoying.

The point (I'm getting there!) is that if these guys have figured out a way to get high speed internet to travel a good long distance, this could help solve the access problem for rural america.

Of course, I've seen so many supposed solutions [] come and fade away, that I sort of doubt it.

Re:...and the rest of the country? (1)

ion (18545) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574541)

1xEVDO is CDMA2000 (read cell phone) based, operating usually at about 1900Mhz. It usually operates at a range similar to CDMA based cell phones on the same spectrum, typically a 3-5km radius from base stations depending on conditions.

Re:...and the rest of the country? (2, Informative)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574740)

I always liked the Ricochet model. Dead-simple low-power transmitters all over means that you can have tiny cells with only a few users per. Ricochet was intended only for the cities and only works "downtown". The good part is that they can tolerate the loss of an individual cell because of the overlap, which makes maintenence slightly easier. The trick would have been to also set up cell-tower-like relays in the surounding areas.

This is just using turbo codes and CDMA modulation with the same old antennas as a cell phone.

The technology has been there for the past few years to get broadband to your parent's town, but just not any interest in productizing it. However, as the Internet becomes more ingrained in people's lives, there's no choice.

Also, terminology help:
ILEC = Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier = local phone company
CLEC = Competitive Local Exchange Carrier = competition to the local phone company

Re:sign me up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574729)

What makes the parent post insightful?!? There are no insights at all in it -- just two glaring spelling mistakes and one person's experience/opinions on DSL and how the Verizon offering might run into competition from baby-Bells (which somehow misses the point that Verizon IS a baby-Bell and is the local carrier in and around DC).

Typical (1)

Dicky_MoMo (762562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574171)

A year after I move to Florida they deploy this... Oh well, guess I'll just enjoy Daytona Beach.

oh yeah... (5, Funny)

Cynikal (513328) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574201)

can you IM me now? good....

Re:oh yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574382)


Personal outlook (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574213)

I can see this as being a promising service.. as of now Verizon Wireless has the largest nation-wide network and one of the best coverages in the nation..

boradband? (1)

abrotman (323016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574215)

I remember that stuff. It usually came in a 56k variety ... So much wasted time.

On a related note ... (5, Informative)

phoxix (161744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574219)


This is for your New Yorkers who know what I'm talking about. (wifi service in the island of Manhattan free for all verizon dsl/dialup users)

What is to be careful of? Fake Verizon-WIFI APs. No joke. I was walking down 14th street next to Broadway, and suddenly I wanted to hop online to check what the weather would be for later that day.

I pop out my Zaurus, pop in my wifi card, and start sniffing for whatever wireless networks I can get to. I hit a Verizon-WIFI AP, which works for me being that my company is a customer of theirs. I pop in my Verizon Online password, and my password, hit enter, and I'm in.

Except for ONE problem. I typed in my username wrong! (Zaurus 5600 owners know how much of a bitch it is to type numbers with the damn Fn key.) But I still got in!!! I reconnected, typed in a bogus user/pass, and still had zero issues getting in.

At first I didn't realize what was going on (being that I was late for class, and rushing like crazy). But then it dawned on me, that this was a fake AP setup to steal real verizon user-names and passwords. Pretty slick if you ask me.

Yeah yeah, not too related to the topic at hand, but other verizon customers may want to know

Sunny Dubey

Re:On a related note ... (1)

kevcol (3467) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574274)

..and suddenly I wanted to hop online to check what the weather would be for later that day.

Couldn't you just wet your finger and hold it up to the wind?

Re:On a related note ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574325)

So his finger thinks its raining?

Re:On a related note ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574328)

> At first I didn't realize what was going on (being that I was late for class, and rushing like crazy). But then it dawned on me, that this was a fake AP setup to steal real verizon user-names and passwords. Pretty slick if you ask me.

No kidding! OK, so now that we know, how do we ID the fake APs to avoid 'em? Always enter a bogus login first, or?..

Re:On a related note ... (1)

ddent (166525) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574418)

I would hope the login gateway that it would redirect to has an SSL certificate? Check the name on the cert.

Re:On a related note ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574768)

even that can't work for long.

All the phisher has to do is proxy the info to the real thing, and they know (maybe even before you do) if you've entered a good user/pass combo.

Re:On a related note ... (2, Informative)

Deimios (317819) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574665)

Just so you know...the service phoxix is referring to is different from the one referred to in this article...the New York wi-fi service is run by Verizon Online, and offers free wi-fi access to current Verizon Online DSL customers, whereas the one in the article is being run by Verizon Wireless, a different subsidiary under Verizon Communications

VOIP anyone? (5, Interesting)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574226)

" includes neither an e-mail account nor voice phone service."

But it does sustain rates around 500 kbps or over...

Voice over IP, anyone? It seems like they're practically begging that application- why carry and pay for a cell phone too, especially if you can get this service on a PDA some day?

Re:VOIP anyone? (4, Informative)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574268)

The latency on CDMA 1xEV-DO isn't quite good enough to support VOIP. From the people I know who have used this service, it "feels" like a 56k modem in regard to its latency. (In a conversation on this site, Phil Karn [] pointed out that the latency isn't over the air interface, but elsewhere within the system)

In (I'm guessing) early 2005, Verizon, Sprint, should be rolling out a service based on 1xEV-DV. That will provide even higher data rates (in both directions), and (IIRC), voice calls will be VOIP by default!

Verizon (5, Funny)

Mori Chu (737710) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574234)

"The service gives you the speed of broadband, the ease of WiFi and the coverage of cellular..."

Sadly, it also gives you the quality of Verizon.

woohoo! (4, Funny)

Cynikal (513328) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574247)

now i can download my mp3's and screener iso's while leading the RIAA and MPAA's lawyers on a high speed chase!

you cant sue me until you catch me and serve me with a summons :P
nyah nyah now im in mexico :P

wtf? (2, Funny)

U.I.D 754625 (754625) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574248)

Verizon says BroadbandAccess's downloads should average 3oo to 500 kilobits per second (kbps) and can hit 2 million bits per second (Mbps) at best.

...and I thought slashdot editors were bad! I get 3oo kilobits per second myself though.

Monet Mobile did it first (5, Informative)

danitor (600348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574263)

I currently pay 40$ a month and use the Audiovox 5220 card that Verizon is selling.

Thing is, this is not a new service and I'm not getting it from Verizon. I'm getting it from Monet Mobile.

...but not for long...

The service is fantastic- I can't imagine a better product. The truly sad thing is that Monet Mobile ( is going bankrupt and shutting me down on April 1, at which point I'm going to have to pay the Verizon fees or go back to wired internet... (sigh)

Good idea.. (5, Insightful)

brain1 (699194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574277)

Lets see.. I pay $50 / month for DSL. I also have to pay for a $20 / month "basic phone" line just to get the DSL. By basic, it's just a dial tone, no caller id, no features, even the ringer stays turned off so I dont have to deal with telemarketers. I could care less about it. I get free long distance, 400 anytime minutes, free nights and weekends, and free mobile-to-mobile minutes on my wireless phone. Plus voice mail, caller ID and I can take it anywhere. So why do I need a wired phone? Just so Bellsouth can establish DSL service. Yuck! It stands as an emergency 911 phone in case the wireless phone's battery is dead (if ever..).

That means I already pay $70 / month just to get DSL. I already have Verizon Wireless, so I might qualify for some kind of package deal discount.

The wireless phone I have is already a data-capable G3 phone. Possibly just a flash upgrade will enable the higher rates. So, I am probably out just a USB cable to get online. Anywhere, whenever. Hmmm.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

You know, it seems that where the telco's dropped the ball with fiber-to-the-curb, the wireless providers stand to prosper using RF.

Re:Good idea.. (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574410)

I wouldn't bank on your phone being upgradable to EV-DO.

Security? (4, Insightful)

pholower (739868) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574292)

The article didn't go in depth (or mention at all) about security the wireless service uses. If this is something that is widespread, I only hope that the security is something to be applauded. I would hate for a user in the home to go to their bank and enter their information only for the ever lurking hacker/cracker to gain access to their information.

Does anybody know of the security protocals used for this?

Re:Security? (2, Insightful)

petecarlson (457202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574463)

shttp, ssh?? If your bank is letting you log in plain text on there web server, you have biger problems then your Wifi provider.

Re:Security? (1)

pholower (739868) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574503)

Maybe using the bank analogy was a bad idea. But what I was more concerned about was information flying through the air. Given enough time, it can be cracked. The more people on an AP the more "special" packets. Unless this is using completly different technology that I am aware of with current high speed wireless APs.

Latency? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574293)

What's the latency like on this network? It's typically a problem with wireless that they have slow response times. The article covers the bandwidth problem but does not tell us anything about this. Inquiring gamer wants to know.


Seems too good to be true.. (1)

cowmix (10566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574331)

That kind of speed, that good of coverage and that low of a price.. Hmm.. I gotta see it to believe it.

I actually used this... (5, Informative)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574345)

and I wrote a story about this months ago. Here's what you Linux geeks won't like. So far it won't work in Linux. That's mainly a driver issue with the card or really that there is no Linux driver (that I am aware of). Also I think that it is installed (even in Windows) in a funny way. It has to connect under dial-up networking?!?!

Re:I actually used this... (1)

brain1 (699194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574460)

Sounds like a good project to put out on Sourceforge. If I can use Ndiswrapper to run this broadcom card, the we should be able to wrap their windows dial-up networking driver into a module. Dont underestimate the power of geekdom.

I cant wait to get started!

Re:I actually used this... (5, Informative)

jumpingfred (244629) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574566)

Try this:

I wasnt impressed. (3, Funny)

Gen. Malaise (530798) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574353)

I was troubleshooting a problem that my client was having today, so I traced his IP and found a misconfigured (jacked) router on the "myvzw" network. The thing was routing packets to itself, preventing anything from sending data to him........ "Can you get packets now?"

$80/month must be a business expense?? (4, Insightful)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574356)

"But at $79.99 a month, it's only a good deal to those who can write it off as a business expense."

Grrr. I'm paying $60 for a (highly rate limited due to the # of subscribers) 256Kbps 802.11 uplink, $99 for 128Kbps IDSL (yeah, I know it's just repackaged ISDN) because the former is too unreliable, and $15 for a decent dial-up to backup all the others because I can not afford not to have a connection! If I thought it would help I would kill someone to get 600Kbps for $80.

You can not function in the modern employment world above the level of "service" without solid, fast Internet connections. If you haven't figured this out yet you're grist for the unemployment line. It's a personal expense the same way a plumber pays for a toolbox full of tools. Get it?

Re:$80/month must be a business expense?? (1)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574637)

$40/month for a cable modem.

Sounds like it's M$ only??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574361)


So how are they doing it? (0)

thogard (43403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574374)

Do they have like 10,000 APs everywhere or do they have high power units? Whos AP's are they using? How does this interfeer with others 802.11b?

Re:So how are they doing it? (3, Informative)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574424)


They are using 1xEV-DO from their cell towers, on dedicated cellular bands.

A Bit Offtopic.. But I Need Help (4, Interesting)

rustycage (550599) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574376)

I just got wireless broadband out here in rural West Virginia. Amazing..I know. It is great as I get 1.3Mb down about the same up for $50 a month. Anyhow I just bought a wireless router and it seems to interfere with my wireless broadband antenna. When I enable the wireless functionality on the router my internet connect goes bye-bye. Anyone else had similar experience. I'm pretty sure my wireless broadband is over 802.11b and the wire router I bought is 11b as well. Any solutions?

Re:A Bit Offtopic.. But I Need Help (2, Informative)

AGTiny (104967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574495)

Just choose a non-conflicting 11b channel for your wireless network. Try them all to see which one interferes the least. I think the 3 isolated channels are something like 1, 6, and 11. And hope your wireless internet isn't broadcasting on all channels. :)

Rob says (4, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574395)

"But at $79.99 a month, it's only a good deal to those who can write it off as a business expense."

This guy apparently doesn't know any geeks.

With VOIP becoming so popular, a laptop with this would be portable broadband and mobile VOIP all in one. That would be well worth the expense to lots of us.


Card interface? (2, Informative)

nsayer (86181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574397)

I've used PCCard based wireless internet access devices in the past, and every one of them has been only "supported" on Windows, but every single one of them has simply emulated a standard COM port that required you to guess the particular "AT" command to bring up a PPP connecetion.

With data rates as high as claimed, this one may indeed be proprietary, although it would still, I believe, be *theoretically* possible to emulate a COM port that simply provided data a lot faster than you think it should (all of these virtual COM port style devices all ignored the baud rate setting anyway).

Can anyone confirm or deny? If you're using a Windows XP box, bring up the device mangler, properties of the device, Details, and give us the "Device Instance ID". Decoding that should tell us about the attachment (PCCard or Cardbus) and if it's Cardbus, should give us PCI vendor/device ID info.

Remember... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574403)

This summer, when it gets hot outside, and your hemmoroids
get even hotter, just look to the cool relief of Preparation-H
to get you on your way.

EDGE (5, Informative)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574414)

Verizon has no competition at this speed and won't for a while. Carriers using the competing GSM (Global System for Mobile communications) wireless standard aren't close; for instance, AT&T's new EDGE (Enhanced Data Rates for Global Evolution) service tops out at 200 kbps.

So ATTWS has EDGE nation wide, and Verizons EvDO is only in a 2 markets. ATTWS already has UMTS trials in 7 major markets, at speeds faster than verizon, soon to launch commerically!

So you dont hear it much, ATTWS has the fastest nation wide network. When Cingular takes over, and the 2 merges coverage areas, expect the best nation wide coverage, and fastest speeds around.

I'm just wondering when Cingular starts expanding UMTS past the 7 markets, what will Verzion do? It cant offer what it doesnt have, or built out. Be interesting to see what Verizon does to counter the Cingular advantage.

Re:EDGE (1)

AnyLoveIsGoodLove (194208) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574613)

So, I'm supposed to get excited over trials? hmm that's a hard sell. Do you think the merger will speed the rollout up? hmmm... Have you ever worked in telecom?

I agree with the author, Verizon Wireless will not have any competition for a long time. 12 months is a significant lead over the competition.
Well, until Cingular rolls something out, Verizon will continue to expand the service. Making in work in trials / labs and making a service that you can rely on is not comparable.

C'mon, you know Verizon Wireless is looking to merge....

Everyone I know (geeks) swears by the service.

Re:EDGE (1)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574699)

ATTWS has the fastest nation wide network

Yes, users of attws(like me) know how fast and good AT&T's network really is.
The coverage itself is a damn joke when I compare it with friends who use Verizon.

Re:EDGE (2, Interesting)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574717)

Sorry, Mr. ATT/Cingular GSM apologist.

- ATTWS/Cingular/T-Mobile all have roaming agreements. Their coverage areas are already "merged". And Verizon's coverage is still *way* better. Try going up into Wyoming with your ATT GSM phone. Then try doing it with a Verizon phone. With Verizon, I had CDMA2000 + 1xRTT in Yellowstone National Park. With ATT, I had nothing. And it's not just Wyoming. I often have trouble in major metro areas with ATT.

- ATT's EDGE is nowhere near "nationwide". It's being rolled out in New York, San Diego, and some areas in Florida. Moreover, EDGE is little faster than Verizon's 1xRTT service which has been deployed accross their entire network for years. EDGE suffers from the same problems as GPRS - notably that data rate drops as you move away from the transmitter and that relatively little bandwith is shared by everyone in the cell.

- UMTS is slower than CDMA2000 1xEV-DO. 1xEV-DO is gaining support in Japan and Korea for this very reason - UMTS is slower, requires more radio spectrum, and UMTS phones heat up like toasters.

- ATT hasn't even launched its service commercially. They have been conducting "trials" of UMTS for over 2 years. When they start selling it and I can test it out, I'll believe ATT's claims. Verizon's service works. I've used it myself.

Verizon has to do *nothing* to counter the Cingular "advantage". They have better coverage, their 3G service is faster, and they don't have craploads of IS-136 users to migrate.

Re:EDGE (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574724)

1xEvDO is a stopgap. 1xEvDV is the big one, and 1xEvDV will be able to intermingle with 1xRTT.

It'll be interesting because you can't intermingle UMTS/EDGE/GSM like that. And ATTWS/Cingular is still un-rolling-out TDMA.

Although, they do have the hope, once they get rid of TDMA, of using the 900 band instead of the 1900 band, which gives them better wall-penetrating abilities, which is the main reason why Verizon often has good coverage.

But.. (1)

compwiz (21231) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574432)

Does it do Linux?

Nextel doing the same thing (2, Informative)

BlueOtto (519047) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574480)

Nextel appears to be doing the same thing. Those in the Raleigh/Durham area can sign up for a free trial for a couple of months yet I think. More details are here [] .

I doubt this will scale well (2, Interesting)

dcarolin (563116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574509)

The other day I was talking to some Qualcomm guys (who do the chipsets) and they told me this basically works by using an entire channel multiplexed in time. Since the service has not yet been widely deployed, the reviewer probably got most or all of the available time slots. I'd imagine the average bit rates to go down as the number of users increases.

Poor poor Mac... (1)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574561)

What services like this work with a Powerbook??? As far as I know Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint all need windoze. Powerbook + Starbooks 802.11 via TMobile (here in NY) does NOT do it for me. Are their any Mac drivers for these things that I might have missed?

Re:Poor poor Mac... (4, Informative)

nbvb (32836) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574707)

Re:Poor poor Mac... (2, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574762)

Not enough value vs. competition (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574592)

I get unlimited MB for $20 a month through my T-Mobile GPRS connection via Bluetooth. Way slick, and I get dialup speeds consistently. I don't see 3G and semi-3G services gaining in popularity until they start to get down to that level. GPRS is good enough, at that price.

the techno-mediated cultural conspiracy

I've been waiting for this... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8574735)

...for a while now, but the more I think of it, and knowing monopolies, the more dubious this whole thing becomes. They've announced the nationwide rollout "by year's end" this last January. Problem is, as someone already pointed out, they don't support Bluetooth phones, nor even USB. In other words, the "DO" in 1xEV-DO seems to mean "it's the card or else." Not to mention it's also Windows "or else." Since my 12" PB has BlueTooth but no PCMCIA slot, and since Windows would be out of the question even if I owned an x86-based laptop, it's pretty much a non-starter still. Supposing they get around to supporting Macs and maybe even Bluetooth, I'd still be suspicious of having to run any "installers" reminiscent of PPPoE and spyware. Is it going to support my VPN, which I currently use without problems with my T-Mobile Hotspot account? I'd be happy to upgrade from $30/mo for "Starbucks only" to $80/mo for "everywhere," but it seems to me there are so many roadblocks ahead, there might as well be no service and no expansion plans at all. It might happen eventually, but it's probably just as likely that some other, better company, maybe even a non-monopoly, will roll out something better first.

Re:I've been waiting for this... (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8574804)

EV-DO is data only.

There are supposedly CDMA Bluetooth [] phones on the way, but it's not necessarily likely that the EV-DO network will be available on said phones because it doesn't contribute to the phone's essential platonic phone-ness.

Wait another year or so when the 1xEV-DV rollout happens and then there'll be some neat choices.
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