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OMG (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8588960)

FIRST POST LOL




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Michael's computers? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8588961)

Of course they're fuxored, how else does he post such lame stories?

Not much funnier (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8588970)

...not much at all.

Not in doubt, but.... (4, Funny)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8588973)

it surprised me that after all the work they went through, the conclusion is simply "make your own mind up". Now *that*'s being cautious!

Or maybe I'm just a cynic by nature....

Simon

Re:Not in doubt, but.... (5, Insightful)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589071)

Usually the weaker the evidence, the more someone tries to insist they ar right.

If they actually have and present the evidence, there is no need to spell it out for you.

Re:Not in doubt, but.... (4, Funny)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589102)

And the coolness factor is of course way higher when you say it like that.
"And like everyone can see without us even telling you, the dudes are lame"

Re:Not in doubt, but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589193)

I don't see you accusing Michael J. Gonzales of anything. You post carefully avoids saying what you think "all the work" shows, so I think you understand the problem here.

I'm sure it's just my cynical nature. . .

Re:Not in doubt, but.... (3, Funny)

aixou (756713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589233)

I half-way expected Michael to go Vice-City on the interviewers ass part way through the interview..... dot dot dot

Gee, what's next? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8588980)

An investigative story featuring Anandtech Deals versus Fatwallet.com Deals?

Go, Tom Go! (-1, Troll)

Muddie (72996) | more than 10 years ago | (#8588985)

Tom is looking into Michael's "computers".
Michael is very happy about this.
Tom and Michael forsee a long lasting "friendship" spawning from this.
Go, Tom Go!
(now legal in 2 counties in Oregon!)

Now I know... (4, Funny)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 10 years ago | (#8588987)

Now I know where our friend Orlando Soto [slashdot.org] buys his computers.

Hmmm... has anyone ever actually seen "Michael Gonzales" and "Orlando Soto" together? Put glasses on this guy [michaelscomputers.com] , and he looks an awful lot like this guy [wsj.com] ...

Lesson to learn: (4, Funny)

musingmelpomene (703985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8588999)

Ok, kiddies, the important lesson of the day is: When you want to scam people into buying your product, try to advertise a product that exists. Then it'll always work. So...ummm...*shuffles feet*...who wants to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?

Re:Lesson to learn: (-1, Insightful)

davew666 (555119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589072)

try to advertise a product that exists ... who wants to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?

Are you saying the Brooklyn Bridge [google.com] does not exist?

Re:Lesson to learn: (2, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589116)

Are you saying the Brooklyn Bridge does not exist?

Of course not! Otherwise he wouldn't be following his own advice!

BTW, I wonder how much he wants for it. :o)

Re:Lesson to learn: (1)

musingmelpomene (703985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589130)

She. :) I'll give it to you for $20, one time only deal - you can paypal the money to me, bridgeofbirds@yahoo.com .

Re:Lesson to learn: (4, Funny)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589113)

I do, as soon as I get my 10% cut of the 15 mil., from this really nice guy from nigeria whose uncle (the late military leader) who unfortunatey was killed.

Re:Lesson to learn: (1)

insulto (684184) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589156)

About that bridge thing, is free shipping to Europe included or extra?

Re:Lesson to learn: (2, Funny)

musingmelpomene (703985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589187)

For an extra $50 (sent to my paypal account, email address bridgeofbirds@yahoo.com) I'll ship worldwide.

Everyone needs a bridge. And this is a steal - I went to a dentist once and a bridge cost hundreds!

duh.. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589003)

This is easy...

I bet Michael's computers have a lot of kiddie porn on them, or they have info. about hijacking other people's domains.

Michael sucks. huh? what do you mean no our Michael???

Hee hee (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589007)


"Neighbors confirmed that Michael Gonzales used to live there, but moved out after a divorce."

Maybe his ex-wife was an unsatisfied early user?

Re:Hee hee (4, Funny)

EulerX07 (314098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589094)

Yeah, the news on the grapevine is that is actual boot-up speed was nowhere near advertised, when it actually did bootup.

His 3D performance was also greatly exagerated. However she did admit that she never exceeded 15db when with him, so that part was correct.

Re:Hee hee (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589120)

Maybe his ex-wife was an unsatisfied early user?

Maybe it wasn't just the laptop that took 7 seconds...

Re:Hee hee (4, Funny)

Cheap Imitation (575717) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589208)

Maybe his ex-wife was an unsatisfied early user?

Being "The World's Fastest" is not a good way to satisfy your wife, that's for sure....

Another fun site along the same "HUH?" lines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589008)

http://www.musicxpc.com

shady marketing? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589012)

someone being shady about hey they market their product?

That's unheard of... for me to poop on.

Sociopaths (4, Informative)

DustMagnet (453493) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589018)

Michael was very articulate and calm during the interview. He appears convinced of what he says and advertises.

Sociopaths [datawest.net] are dangerous people. Tracking them down is fine, but be careful if you decide to tangle with one. Some will dedicate their life to revenge.

Re:Sociopaths (5, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589138)

Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

(OT) Holy Cow! (3, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589169)

Great site...

what struck me as particularly funny, is that with only one exception ("Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity"), every single one of those points describes behaviour exhibited by Darl McBride in public!

Wow... it explains so much. :o)

Re:Sociopaths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589222)

Some will dedicate their life to revenge.

Hmmh. Neat article! It seems, though, that being ultimate narcissists, sociopaths usually wouldn't waste their time on tracking down former victims actively. But they certainly (if they are leaders of some sort) could mobilize others to do that for them. I think it'd be psychopaths that might resort to compulsive obsessive revenge mode?

My benchmark (1, Informative)

trompete (651953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589022)

My computer has a rating of about 12,000 for the following specs: P4 HT 3.06 GHZ 1 GB RAM @ 800 MHZ FSB ATI 9600 XT Graphics Card Western Digital SATA 160 GB I've seen computers with 15000 before, but they had Athlon FXs and/or Radeon 9800 Pro cards.

Re:My benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589061)

psst:

<? function a() { echo 'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy '; a(); } ?>

should be

<? function a() { echo 'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy '; } a(); ?>

Or are you trying to make a joke with your infinite recursion?

Re:My benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589082)

If you knew what movie he was referring to you wouldn't be asking that question.

Re:My benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589083)

Or are you trying to make a joke with your infinite recursion?

Well DUH! Gee I wonder; do you think?!

Go rent The Shining and get back to us.

Re:My benchmark (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589066)

You must get all the ladies.

Re:My benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589080)

You are probably thinking about 3dmark2001...

Re:My benchmark (5, Informative)

Tweaker_Phreaker (310297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589122)

You seem to be confusing 3DMark03 with 3DMark01. The system you described would be lucky to get '5000' in 3DMark03.

The moral of this story... (5, Funny)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589026)

Never buy a computer from some guy named Michael. You're better off buying a Dell. Oh, wait.

Re:The moral of this story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589050)

An error occured while loading http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20040317/too_go od_to_be_true-07.html:

Timeout on server
Connection was to www.tomshardware.com at port 80

For a hardware company, their server isn't holding up so well.

Re:The moral of this story... (-1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589119)

Never buy anything from a man named Michael [spectacle.org] . You'd only be supporting a thief [sethf.com] and a liar [sethf.com] .

Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Michael Sims Watchdog

Watch out - poster not Seth FINKELSTEIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589223)

I clicked through, the links seem real, but the parent poster isn't Seth Finkelstein, it's a troll

Re:The moral of this story... (1)

ThePretender (180143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589178)

But didn't he step down as CEO?

Although he retained some of his titles, so I guess you are still correct :)

Re:The moral of this story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589199)

No, the moral of the story is never believe anything ever posted on the Internet by guys named Michael. timothy's: OK, but michael's: no way!

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589029)

Fear 7he reaper would you like to

Nothing to see, move along (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589031)

So what. "If it's too good to be true, it probably is" is a sentence heard a lot in the photography world, which is filled with unscrupulous dealers (and does have some great ones like Adorama, B&H, Keeble and Shuchat...)

I know... (4, Funny)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589033)

Michael must have come from the future, with his Windows XP 2004 and currently non-existant hardware! I bet you could haggle with him and get next year's Super Bowl winner, too.

Totally Awesome Computers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589034)

"SuperDell" Schanze makes similar claims, offering $1000 to anyone who can build or buy a faster computer. http://www.totallyawesomecomputers.com/

Michael's Computers investigates Tom's Hardware (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589036)

Michael found that Tom's the stories are often riddled with errors and false claims that favour their advertisers.

Welcome to the internet... (2, Insightful)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589039)

sadly, this guy does what everyone else does, takes advantage of stupid people to make money.

it's basically the best way to make money, next to taking advantage of lonely guys (pornsites, strippers) and taking advantage of lazy people (remote control, clapper)

Re:Welcome to the internet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589111)

Taking money off of stupid people is a fine idea!

Re:Welcome to the internet... (5, Funny)

MooseByte (751829) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589155)


"it's basically the best way to make money, next to taking advantage of lonely guys (pornsites, strippers) and taking advantage of lazy people (remote control, clapper)"

Tell me about it! I made an absolute fortune off my clapper-controlled porn site!

Which also finally answered the rhetorical question, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"

Re:Welcome to the internet... (5, Insightful)

enjo13 (444114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589218)

[quote]it's basically the best way to make money, next to taking advantage of lonely guys (pornsites, strippers) and taking advantage of lazy people (remote control, clapper[/quote]

Uhm, isn't the point to provide something useful for people (creating value for them)? So strippers, pornsites, remote controls, and the clapper don't take advantage of people.. they simple provide a good or service that people find valuable.

Scamming people is a whole different story.. This guy is a scammer, he doesn't appear to even have a PRODUCT.

That's what I call a fan! (5, Interesting)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589047)

0.19 dB? A ticking watch is about 20dB, and it's a log scale.

Re:That's what I call a fan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589079)

It's fanless dope!

Re:That's what I call a fan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589150)

Even if it's fanless, it still has a hard disk. Just the thermal related noise would exceed .19 dB. This theoretical computer so silent I can't begin imagine all the things that are louder.

--
Not again, I just responded to flamebait.

Review doesnt go far enough (5, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589057)

Its amazing how far something has to go for a business to be considered fraudulent. Is it possible to get warnings like this before they end up in court or handcuffs? If all of this investigation only garners a buyer beware warning, what does it take to get a do not buy warning? I can understand the aversion to calling out fraud, but THG can only build the credibility by taking a stand and telling people don't buy from these guys.

I'm not trying to be overly harsh on THG. I applaud them for being willing to investigate like they did, the industry can only benefit by removing fraudsters. A few bad mechanics have given most mechanics reputations that they don't deserve, and the computer industry needs to avoid this.

Review sites, remember that your job is as much about telling people what they should not buy as it is about what they should. How many people stopped respecting PC World (once upon a time highly respected) after they endorsed Windows Me?

Re:Review doesnt go far enough (2, Funny)

rvw14 (733613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589096)

How many people stopped respecting PC World (once upon a time highly respected) after they endorsed Windows Me?

I have been using windows ME since 1986 and haven't had any prob l ;;sd2 e ;a$

Re:Review doesnt go far enough (4, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589105)

Maybe THG is afraid of ending up in court themselves. Even if they are right, do they really want to spend their time and money when to most of us what they've stated is clear and good enough? This is really just a sad statement about the paranoid corporate climate and litigous nature of the modern American world.

Re:Review doesnt go far enough (3, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589213)

Yes I was commenting on the sad state of affairs on such fear of lawsuits. This makes sense, I may not like it, but I understand it. My issue is that after everything their investigation turned up, they couldn't even say "don't buy here". I understand why they didn't claim the business practices fraud, they gave enough facts on that point for people to decide for themselves.

The lack of an outright fraud claim wasn't my issue though. The investigation was good, the story fell short at the end though. Again I ask my valid question, what does it take to get a do not buy recommendation from THG?

Re:Review doesnt go far enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589125)

England has strict libel laws, you are not allowed to say bad things about people unless they are American or a member of the Royal Family.

Re:Review doesnt go far enough (5, Interesting)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589180)

It would be nice to see "businesses" like this shut down and the scam artist in handcuffs, but more often than not, people like him are VERY good at disappearing, relocating, and starting up the whole scam again.

I had a run-in with a retailer at a computer show some years ago who was substituting sub-standard parts and pre-loading Windows 98 on his boxes, advertising them as having Windows 98 included, and then not including the Win98 CD. When I purchased a computer from him for someone else, and then came across a problem with that PC that required the CD, I called to get a copy sent to me, and the retailer refused, said I had to pay $50 to get the CD. I realized quickly that this was a scam he was running, and no matter what, he would not give me the CD. I actually called the Microsoft Piracy Hotline (I've never done that since, and normally I would have just dropped it, but he made me irritated enough with his attitude) and they thanked me, and promised to go after him.

Next computer show a couple months later, same retailer is there, same scam, different "company" name and different location & phone number. These guys thrive on being mobile. They're like cockroaches. Shine the light on them, and they disappear for a little while, but they still come back.

Michael's Computers ?? (1)

swapsn (701280) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589078)


Shit.
For a moment there I thought they were investigating Michael Dell's computers :-))

Whoa. (0)

tai_Dasher (319541) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589086)

Thirteen minutes, and the site is already down? Is this the wrath of Michael?

Slashdotted, alternate mirror server here (2, Informative)

Newtonian_p (412461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589114)

I can't believe it, their main server is slashdotted, you can still access their page at this address:
http://www20.tomshardware.com/

Look out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589097)

Careful, Timothy -- Michael is liable to modbomb you for badmouthing his computers! Look for this story to hit -1 (100% Overrated) in the next 10 minutes.

(Y'know, I think I'll post this AC. Not that the editors don't know who you are anyway.)

So where can I actually buy a tricked out PC? (1)

eww (211414) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589101)

So where can I actually get the latest and best PC man can buy? What stores actually have parts the minute Intel/AMD/ATI/Nvidia have started shipping them? I know that it sometimes takes a while for the local PC store to get some of these items in.

article apparently removed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589106)

As of 10:16 cst getting "contains no data" error. apparently this seems to have been removed. I doubt Tom's Hardware is subject to slashdot effect

My review of Tom's Hardare (read on)... (4, Funny)

gosand (234100) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589128)

Here is my review of Tom's Hardware. I think that they are extremely.... Next ... [doubleclick.com]

First paragraph, first sentence

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First paragraph, fourth sentence

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Second paragraph, first sentence

Second paragraph, second sentence

Second paragraph, third sentence

Second paragraph, fourth sentence

Second paragraph, fifth sentence

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Third paragraph, first sentence

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Conclusion introduction

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Conclusion postscript

Re:My review of Tom's Hardare (read on)... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589176)

twit

He prolly does ship comps (2, Interesting)

aixou (756713) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589129)

My guess is that everytime Michael receives money, he runs down to CompUSA, picks up whatever deal he can find, and ships that computer out to the buyer. If the buyer contacts him about slower than advertised speed, he'll probably say that the special "optimizations" got knocked out of whack during shipping, but not to worry, becuase it's still a "World Class" product.

Heh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589135)

I bet each computer comes with an SCO license, an Phantom console, and...

And now... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589142)

He'll add "As mentioned on Slashdot" to his page to add to the hype...

hmmm (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589145)

I read the article, but I havent visited Michael's PC website...

Sounds like he's either a former spammer, or a future one...

I'll let THW and you guys know if I ever get any spam for Michael's V!@gr4 CPU Thermal Grease...
-

easy foolery (5, Interesting)

British (51765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589159)

Back in '96 I made a fake web page(on my university account) that sold hacker/phreaker gear. Red boxes, blue boxes etc. I did my best to make it look legit. I also had some more obscure items, like Game Boy cartridges that did red box tones, and other fun things I could think of.

Mind you the product drawings were almost MS paint quality.

One of the items I sold was a "katana" laptop computer, with CPU speeds about twice of the fastest CPUs of the day. Also, it said you could buy the laptop in person at our outlet store in New Tokyo.

Needless to say regardless of how amateur the page looked, I got emails every day from people who believed it. Most of them wanted the price on the katana. To think if I was a shyster I could have been swimming in credit card numbers.

How could they already be /.'d ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8589166)

They must be running on those P4 that Tom seems so fond of.

Damn, just missed it (1)

SFBwian (744032) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589168)

Must have took too long typing out my submission. :( Oh well. I think anyone that actually reads any of the review sites that Michael so prominently displays logos of on his own site, would realize they haven't done a review of his computers.

At least Dell et. al. don't use completely outrageous, bogus, dubious, blanket statements about the performance of the hardware they use in their computers. Guys like this give startups and AMD a bad name to average buyers.

this is why i'm laughing (3, Funny)

BlackWire (746767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589175)

This is the part cracking me up.

I was wondering, since you are a well established and reputable hardware site

Tom's Own Hardware? (2, Funny)

Bimo_Dude (178966) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589192)

Has Tom investigated his own web server hardware?

It appears as though it cannnot handle a slashdotting.

Articles broken up into separate pages (5, Funny)

Imperator (17614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589216)

Why do sites insist on splitting articles into separate pages?

[next page]

It's even worse when the pages are short.

Hell, they often have only a few paragraphs per page.

[next page]

Some sites are kind enough to at least offer a "print article" link.

[next page]

Others don't.

[next page]

It's obvious what they're trying to do.

[next page]

They want to generate ad revenue.

[next page]

[next page]

But really, the joke's on them.

[next page]

Because I use Privoxy [privoxy.org] .

[next page]

And so they don't get any ad money.

[next page]

But still have to spend money on the extra bandwidth it costs...

[next page]

...to split up the article into separate pages.

How many of you... (1)

Dave21212 (256924) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589226)


Given the large viewership here, and the fact that there is a sucker born every minute, how many of you are going to buy one of those laptops anyway ? Seriously, how many of you might buy one "just in case it's true" ;)

Stranger things can happen [slashdot.org] !

Makes You Think -ResellerRatings.com (4, Interesting)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589227)

I sometimes wonder the reason I've been so lucky buying things online. I've gotten some pretty good deals from cheesy looking web storefronts. One thing to consider next time is to check out a store's ratings at http://www.resellerratings.com/ [resellerratings.com]

crafts conspiracy! (2, Funny)

ThePretender (180143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8589234)

At first I thought this was a story about an overagressive crafts store [michaels.com] looking for market share while Martha's Empire was on the decline!
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