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Novell Announces SUSE Linux 9.1

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the debian-still-rules dept.

SuSE 435

ravydavygravy writes "Novell today released details of the next incarnation of its linux products, Suse 9.1, based on the 2.6 kernel. It will come in both 32 and 64-bit versions, and includes a LiveCD version, to help people convince their Windows-loving friends to make the switch. It'll ship with Gnome 2.4.2 and KDE 3.2.1, as well as demo versions of the text processing application Textmaker and the spreadsheet application Planmaker (from Softmaker - but do we really need another office suite?). Samba 3 will also feature in the default setup."

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GNAA FP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598458)

The niggers own your collective asses!

You my bitch -- GNAA FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598664)

You my bitch -- >GNAA FP

FP

Well, sure, but (0, Funny)

Can it run Linux (664464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598464)

can it run Linux(TM)?

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598468)

FOR THE GNAA

I want it! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598469)

Give it to MEEEEEEEE!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598472)

finally I made it! i am the greatest!

Will Novell get killed by the company's own vision (3, Insightful)

bizcoach (640439) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598473)

Novell's vision of one Net -- a world without information boundaries

I wonder whether corporations as big as Novell can survive in a "world without information boundaries". I'd expect that in such a world, networks of smaller (much more nible) companies will rule.

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (2, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598527)

I wonder whether corporations as big as Novell can survive in a "world without information boundaries". I'd expect that in such a world, networks of smaller (much more nible) companies will rule.

I'm not sure what that phrase means other than being marketing fluff. No information boundries would me no infomation security, right?

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (2, Funny)

pmsr (560617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598648)

Sure they can survive in a world without information boundaries. Where they can't survive is in a world without buzzwords and marketing bs. "world without information boundaries" my ass.

Pedro

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (4, Funny)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598868)

Sure they can survive in a world without information boundaries. Where they can't survive is in a world without buzzwords and marketing bs. "world without information boundaries" my ass.

Jeez, Pedro. Unless you disenfranchise your information boundries, how can you ever hope to leverage your knowledge resources in a dynamic way to effect optimal... uh...

(shit. let me find my brochure. oh - here it is.) ...to effect optimal return on your brain-market capitalization?

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (0)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598704)

Novell's vision of one Net
As opposed to now, where we have all these incompatible nets, like your web-net and your irc-net and your google-groups-net and your yahoo-chat-net and ...

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (3, Insightful)

pmsr (560617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598776)

A noble effort indeed, but lost in vain nevertheless. Humans like to differentiate themselves from others. They create groups, teams, clubs, communities, and in general they avoid mixing. This starts in kindergarden actually, as i think most people recall. Also, people get bored easily. So, there will always be plenty of ****-nets around. No ammount of single net "visions" can change that. Actually this "vision" thing with corporations is making me go for my gun every time i hear it. Is it just me?

/Pedro

NEVER trust a slashbot to get sarcasm. No matter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598835)

how obvious.

*sigh*

Re:Will Novell get killed by the company's own vis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598820)

Novell's vision of one Net -- a world without information boundaries

Like the information boundaries created by proprietary software? Reading that Novell has decided to abondon all free office software in favor of a hitherto unheard of proprietary effort puts the lie to their marketing bullshit, now doesn't it? A 'world without information boundaries'. Oh how nice. I've been wondering what kind of company the new Novell would become, and now I know. Buy Novell? No, bye Novell.

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That is part of the joys of SuSE... (4, Interesting)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598507)


The hardest part is figuring out what you want.

You are given a choice of a dozen text editors, several office suites, and about 8 or so window managers. Takes a full day to figure out which of the 5000 odd software packages to install, an hour or less to actually do it.

Re:That is part of the joys of SuSE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598599)

aye, if i wasn't running debian I'd run SuSe.

Re:That is part of the joys of SuSE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598760)

Redhat used to have the same problem, but now that they start at 300 some dollars, the main choice is obvious, not to use Redhat ... Avoid the bloat try Slackware.

Re:That is part of the joys of SuSE... (2, Insightful)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598816)

Or you can just select the "default desktop" option and let them choose a single one for you. No one says you have to install everything.

Aw, crap! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598514)

I just bought SuSE 9.0! Is there some way to upgrade without shelling out another eighty bucks for a box set?

Re:Aw, crap! (3, Informative)

genkael (102983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598651)

You can get the SUSE Upgrade version for $59.95 It only comes with the Admin Book, but it's a full blown release without the extra books. I've been using it for years.

Re:Aw, crap! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598670)

I bought a copy of SuSE 8.1 a while ago, and recently did a free upgrade to 9.0 over the internet. Everything worked really well, but some kind of high-speed network connection is definitely recommended - it took a couple of hours over 512kb/s ADSL.

I think I'm going to buy a boxed version of 9.1, just to support what they're doing. :-)

Re:Aw, crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598708)

Slight addendum to my post - you have to wait a month or so for the free upgrade version to become available, and it doesn't include the commercial stuff, but it's still definitely worth using if you don't want to buy a new boxed version every few months.

The thing about boxed upgrade versions mentioned above sounds very interesting...

Re:Aw, crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598682)

They have an upgrade version which is identical to the pro version, but minus the manuals and for about $20 less. I usually get this one except for when there are major changes.

Steve

Re:Aw, crap! (1, Interesting)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598696)

Not really, I always get the Professional Update DVD set that's ~$60. I moved beyond the point of needing a boxed distro a few years ago but having everything on a DVD is so damned convenient that I always purchase it. Otherwise, search around for a torrent of 9.1 after it's released. You probably won't find the DVD iso floating around due to it's size but the CD isos are pretty easy to find.

Re:Aw, crap! (2, Informative)

sageman (726742) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598768)

With the GPL that most of the software on the SuSE disc(s) are under, SuSE legally has to offer a free downloadable version of there distrobution somewhere on their site. So, check around. It's there somewhere!

Re:Aw, crap! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598828)

No. Legally they only have to distribute the source code to the applications covered under the GPL.

It does not have to be available via download, they could make it available via CD and snail mail, when you ask for it. And they can charge you for the cost of the CD and the cost of shipping.

Re:Aw, crap! (2, Informative)

Cyph (240321) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598860)

The article states that you can get the updated edition of the Professional version for $59.95.

Released today, not available til May... (5, Informative)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598524)

"SUSE LINUX 9.1 will be available at http://store.suse.com and from bookstores and software suppliers on May 6. The recommended retail price of SUSE LINUX 9.1 Personal (two CDs, installation guide, 30 days of installation support) is $29.95. SUSE LINUX 9.1 Professional (five CDs, two double-sided DVDs, user guide and administration guide, 90 days of installation support) is $89.95. The update edition of SUSE LINUX 9.1 Professional is $59.95."

SuSE Community News (5, Informative)

riggwelter (84180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598528)

You can follow news leading up to the release, as well as blogs of members of the SuSE community as 9.1 approaches at Planet SuSE [rubberturnip.org.uk]

Mono (3, Interesting)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598529)

Considering that Novell also owns Ximian, it would be interesting to find out if the SuSE Mono packages are provided/installed.

Re:Mono (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598641)

Yes it would.

Why don't you go find out, then you can tell us.

Re:Mono (3, Informative)

de_boer_man (459797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598684)

Actually, no.

Here [slashdot.org] is a previous slashdot article on the matter.

Re:Mono (5, Insightful)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598748)

Maybe you posted the wrong link?

'We don't expect to make Ximian the default user interface, and for the medium term KDE will remain the default GUI on SuSE Linux'."

What you have to remember is that Novell has traditionally been a server-oriented business. Novell is interested in Mono primarily as a server offering -- the Ximian desktop connection is purely incidental. It would make perfect sense for them to bundle Mono to provide ASP.NET support in Apache 2, even if they've decided not ship a single Ximian Gnome library.

SATA RAID support? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598534)

When will distros include support for installing to the increasingly-popular SATA RAID controllers? The stable driver just needs to be built into the install kernel. Yes, I could install to standard IDE, then rebuild the kernel, then move the data, but when can I just type 'boot cdrom' and be done with it?

Re:SATA RAID support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598575)

What kind of SATA RAID do you have? I have a Silicon Image chipset and I was able to install SuSE 9.0 right onto my RAID0 of two 36GB Raptor drives. Is yours an add-on card, a seperate chip on the motherboard, or integrated into the northbridge? Sometimes that makes a difference.

Re:SATA RAID support? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598607)

I have it built into the Asus NForce board that I have. I want to use the 'hardware' RAID feature of this, as I dual boot.

Re:SATA RAID support? (2, Interesting)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598587)

most folks haven't moved over to SATA yet, and there's lots of folks who aren't using raid. that said, most distros build all drivers they can as modules. most distros will include non-vanilla drivers too. do the latest releases of SUSE/Mandrake not provide these drivers?

Re:SATA RAID support? (1)

yet another coward (510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598738)

I am ready for support, too. My Asus motherboard has Intel RAID. Right now, I run in legacy mode without RAID.

For what it is worth, the RAID is not pure hardware RAID.

Re:SATA RAID support? (1)

fille (575662) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598874)

Mandrake 10 runs fine on my SATA-drive. The 2.6 kernel on the installation disc supports it out of the box.. It's a test release but it seems quite stable.

And the CDs... (3, Insightful)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598535)

Are they allowing you to download the ISOs yet? That's what it'll take for me to use it. I've wanted to try it for a long time, but could never get it.

Re:And the CDs... (4, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598571)

Probably not, but you can always do a free FTP install.

Re:And the CDs... (5, Insightful)

Roofus (15591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598619)

Dude, the personal version is going to be priced at $29.95 (at least according to an earlier post). That's a more than reasonable price for a fully featured OS suite. Just buy it from CompUSA or order it online.

Re:And the CDs... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598671)

Dude, Windows is only $199 and runs better. Just go down to your CompUSA to buy it.

Re:And the CDs... (3, Funny)

gantzm (212617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598770)

...and runs better.

That's debatable.

No they won't. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598639)

Part of the SuSE experiance that it is a "complete linux distribution in the box". Unlike just ISO distributed distros, such as Debian, it comes with so much more. The wonderful box artwork, the thick printed manuals, the fun stickers, the support, the propreitery software and drivers (full flash and java support out off the box) and more.

SuSE demands only the best, and thats why they don't offer ISOs. If you don't understand this, then you proably won't like SuSE.

Re:And the CDs... (1)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598644)

I haven't tried it yet however I understand you can download the suse boot disk then install via ftp. Granted you need a big pipe to install the darn thing that way. Since RedHat has moved to Fedora (still not sure if I like that model), I've been thinking of SuSE and Debian.

Debian isn't all that bad. Actually I kind of like it. Once you get past that installer I mean :-) I've worked with SuSE years ago. They were pretty decent then and now with the 2.6 kernel in version 9.1 (available in may? WTH!), I'm seriously considering installing over the net (Yes... I have cable).

I've "heard" people mention the live CD ISO available can be installed to the hard drive. Anyone know if this is true? I may try that this weekend just to see.

Re:And the CDs... (1)

dlemckert (695986) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598676)

No ISO's...

Since a long time actually, but one can download de FTP store when available..

It'll take a few Gb, but the boot.iso et al are available then. Just create a local ftp/http/nfs/whatever server and install from that!

Personally i'd buy the distro, but one can be cheap and spare a few coins by souping up the bandwidth du-jour :)

Re:And the CDs... (5, Informative)

akedia (665196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598798)

I don't remember where I found this script, I think it posted on the SuSE mailing list a few years ago. Anyway, it's a bash program that allows you to create your own SuSE DVD iso from an FTP.

I could never get it to work properly, and I'm not the original author, but I'll post it here anyway.

SuSE deserves our money for the work they do, so please only use this for testing purposes, and plan on paying for the box set, as I did.

(I had to encode it base64 to get past the lameness filter. Released under GPL, YMMV, don't yell at me if it breaks your box, etc.)


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Re:And the CDs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598896)

FYI, the only way I could get the FTP install to work was by doing a local install. Many people on the web mention that their FTP install via remote mirror does NOT work.

I ended up downloading the entire install tree off of one of the mirror websites to another linux partition, then pointed the Suse installed to use that local source instead.

Keep this in mind and you'll save yourself a lot of frustration.

I love SuSE (5, Informative)

stateofmind (756903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598538)

The other day I installed SuSE on my machine I'm building for my four year old. I bought the professional version of it for $80 at Best Buy, and was blown away. It was the easiet install of any OS period.

The two manuals are beautiful. It comes with six cd's and a DVD with everything the six dics have. Talk about going out of your way for the customer.

Josh

Re:I love SuSE (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598643)

WTF!! You're building a machine for your four year old? Can it even read yet?

Re:I love SuSE (1)

stateofmind (756903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598745)

He can't read, but he does know how to get around in KDE. He knows how to use XMMS enough so he can play songs from the playlist, and play some of the games KDE comes with.

I use to have my box running Gentoo and he was use to playing around with KDE, then I went back to XP for work and game related stuff, and he misses the games he use to play.

Plus, why not get him started out on Linux now. :)

Re:I love SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598851)

He can't read, but he does know how to get around in KDE. He knows how to use XMMS enough so he can play songs from the playlist, and play some of the games KDE comes with.

I use to have my box running Gentoo and he was use to playing around with KDE, then I went back to XP for work and game related stuff, and he misses the games he use to play.

Plus, why not get him started out on Linux now. :)


Honestly, there's nothing wrong with this. Getting kids started on age 4 isn't something outrageous.

A few examples, some athletes have started playing around age 4. Plus, you hear from artists and actors showing interest at an early age.

Getting a kid to work on computers at an early age and the child showing interest, hell, go with it! Nothing's worse than letting an child hungry for more, left starving.

Re:I love SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598873)

I am also a SUSE lover but the only M$ machine
in my house is my 7 yr old's..why? because
of the large number of really great Educational games (many from Dorling Kindersley) that are just far too much bother to get working under Linux....
does anyone know if transgaming or similar have
looked into wine **specifically** for the children's
s/w market

Re:I love SuSE (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598736)



You are just asking for your kid to get beat up in school aren't you?

and he is in the math club, and the chess club, and the av club....and band!

Re:I love SuSE (1)

stateofmind (756903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598803)

Ah.. I doubt it. Nobody says you can't be a computer geek, love sports and get the girl. :)

I ran a BBS running Telegard and sometimes PCBoard all through out highschool, wrote door games for Legend of the Red Dragon, but still played football, and dated a hottie.

Speaking of which, I should get a hold of her, with the impending doom of this 100ft asteroid coming, maybe we could have a romp on the last day of civilization. :)

Josh

Re:I love SuSE (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598889)

You missed out on the last five years. Computer geeks are cool now.

SuSE is great. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598563)

Its a Linux distribution worth paying for.

I used to have SuSE 8.0 (back in 2002) and it was the best KDE 3.0 based distribution out there. It even supported my TV card (which took ages for the other distributions to support).

So, if you are new to linux, or you want a good working Linux distribution for office work and business, get SuSE. Its not expensive (about 40 pounds, which is less than an OEM windows xp in the UK), plus you get full printed manuals (RTFM has never been so easy), comes withs stickers (I still have a SuSE sticker on my gentoo box) and more.

Re:SuSE is great. (1, Insightful)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598847)

Its a Linux distribution worth paying for.

And the others aren't? Associating value with capital when it comes to free and open source software doesn't really make sense. There are probably better ways to praise commercial Linux distributions than spiting the hands that feed the `community' and make software freely available.

bug spray usually required (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598574)

If you knew SUSE, like I knew SUSE....
Then you'd run Debian ;-P

Yay! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598586)

I'm so glad Linux has gotten to the point where we can say "Do we really need another office suite?" :-)

Holy crap (-1, Troll)

Melvin Daniels (757374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598591)

Suse 9.1 is awesome. I even got my grandma to switch to it without whining too much.

If you're still using Windows and need a push to Open Source, go with Suse, for real.

Re:Holy crap (1)

thepoch (698396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598832)

That's interesting... as it says in the Press Release that SuSE 9.1 will be available in May...

Re:Holy crap (0)

spungo (729241) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598866)

How did you manage that? It isn't out until May.

Re:Holy crap (1)

pesc (147035) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598897)

Suse 9.1 is awesome. I even got my grandma to switch to it without whining too much.

Awesome! Considering what the FA says:

SUSE LINUX 9.1 will be available at http://store.suse.com and from bookstores and software suppliers on May 6.

Nice (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598593)

Nice one, also promoting other packages, like that litle office suite. I like that.

Wel i'm e EURO, what did you expect LOL

Hope (1)

Enquest (579041) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598596)

Nou that SuSe is big busniness: I hope they won't forget the roots of Free Software and stay true to GPL so GNU/Linux isn't bogged down by a lot off non-free software!

Watch out... (0, Offtopic)

Karem Lore (649920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598602)

SCO is gonna jump on this one so fast...Trouble is, they don't know what they're talking about. Doesn't stop their FUD campaign though...

Re:Watch out... (3, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598714)

SCO is gonna jump on this one so fast...Trouble is, they don't know what they're talking about. Doesn't stop their FUD campaign though...

Suse is the one distribution SCO would have the hardest time tackling. It was acquired by NOVELL. SCO can always claim some bs about how RedHat stole their code. But SCO's code was NOVELL's to begin with. That hasn't all shaken out yet. But in my humble opinion, the only thing SCO can do about Suse Linux is sit on their hands and like it.

significant? (2, Insightful)

drjimmy42 (744688) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598605)

"...providing the only significant retail Linux products on the market. " Really? I thought I saw others floating around my local CompUSA...

Re:significant? (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598678)

I'm in the sticks, so we don't have a CompUSA (here, it's wal-mart, or bust). That said, the last time I was in one (aught-two, I think), they didn't have any SuSE offerings; just mandrake, redhat and FreeBSD

What about Innovation? (0, Redundant)

sailboatfool (178278) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598630)

>Planmaker (from Softmaker - but do we really need another office suite?).

Why not a new office suite? Should we just "settle" for an M$ OFFICE clone and be done with it? Could it be possible that someone might have a new innovative product that is better? Should we just stifle all thoughts about a better product?

Friendly NTFS partitioning? (4, Interesting)

ItWasThem (458689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598645)

I love the live CDs and I love the fact that they're starting now to have an option to automatically install on a partition for you.

However my primary day-use machine is a work provided Dell laptop. I would love to use Linux on it. I have Linux on all of my other desktop workstations. But the laptop came set up with an NTFS partition that consumes 100% of the drive. I can't just blow it away because I need the usual office apps, VS and Outlook.

Later versions (> 6 which is what I have) of Partition magic seem to be the only thing on the planet that can non-destructively resize this for me. Does anyone else know of another way?

For me the uncertainty when resizing a drive or partition is a major holdup.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (5, Informative)

weekendgeek (711624) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598711)

SuSE 9.0 has a really nice NTFS resize utility during install. Works quite well.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598720)

Before anything else you whould probably check out Crossover office [codeweavers.com] . It runs a lot of windows aps really well, but it runs Office 2000 better than anything. If office aps are what you are mostly worried about then you might need to worry about the windows partition at all anymore.... I don't.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598743)

Have you tried NTFSresize and fdisk? You can find a tutorial online. I used Knoppix to do this on my laptop. Best to defrag your windows drive before you do this. Of course whe i did this, it was a brand new notebook, so i didn't have much to lose since i could just stick the windows disk back in and resinstall the little stock software that I wanted to keep.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598753)

Back up your data, re-partiton however you want, and reinstall whatever you want.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (1)

sbennett (448295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598791)

Mandrake's install disk can certainly do that. I think Fedora's can too, but I may be wrong there. The one reason I keep my Mandrake 9 disks around is for the partition editor in the installer.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (1)

ItWasThem (458689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598882)

Suse and Mandrake's installers can do this? I know they can resize but I always thought they destroyed any prior data in the process. Does CrossOver office let me run Outlook and Internet Explorer?

Don't get me wrong, I hate IE with a passion and in fact use Firefox most of the day, but we develop Windows based (thus IE supported) web applications so testing on IE is a must.

Re:Friendly NTFS partitioning? (1)

ItWasThem (458689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598910)

Oh one other thing while everyone is being so helpful ;) does anybody know if the Centrino drivers Intel released have made their way into any distro yet? I could add them to any distro I suppose but it's always easier if they just come with.

At least they didn't port WordPerfect ..... yet (1)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598679)

I absolutely LOVE SuSE linux! Started with 7.1 and never looked back. Sure hope that Novell is able to follow their lead and not change SuSE to follow Novell's

Novell and SuSE long term. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598797)

I would not put much faith in Novell leaving SuSE alone. Recently in an employee meeting attended by:

Jack Messman CEO
Chris Stone Vice Chairman Office of the CEO
Gary Schuster Senior VP Communications
Bob Couture VP Worldwide Services
Joe Forgione VP Net Solutions
Ron Hovsepian President Novell North America
Mark Hardardt VP Worldwide Sales

the following question was asked.

Linux is really just a piece that fit the kernel shaped hole in the GNU system. Most of what we think of as Linux is really GNU.
The stated goal of GNU is the elimination of proprietary software.
Will you speak to our alliance with and reliance upon a community whose stated goal is the elimination of the need for our software.


Chris Stone:Here's an interesting one.
Linux is really just a piece that fit the kernel shaped into the GNU system. Most of what we think of Linux is really GNU.

For those of you out there just, to try to translate for you I think what he's trying to say is that the original sorta open source or free software movement was called GNU invented by a guy named Richard Stallman at MIT it has grown up over the years to be much more than just GNU. One of the points he's trying to make here is that the stated goal of GNU is to eliminate proprietary software, how will that effect us.

Lets be clear here, just open source does not equal free and that the open source community has shall we say 'grown up' considerable over the past fifteen odd years and that the folks who write software in the open source community are just as interested in making money as anybody else is. The model of how open source works where the code is shared and then it must go back in the community does not prevent you from building a commercial product and that is in essence what we intend to do; provide both a commercial version of our software and in some cases open source versions of our software so I don't see GNU as the elimination of proprietary software, the world has changed considerably since that time frame and that's really not an issue.

Jack Messman: yeah, I'd say to that the ya know the code is free and we don't try to sell free code I mean that's sort of an oxymoron idnut. What we do is we sell a service that makes it easy to use free code and if you look at it that way I think you get a better feel for it then that free services are proprietary tools and services that sit on top of the operating system.

The question could have been better worded but the answer shows, IMHO severe violence to both the concepts of GNU and open source. I don't think they 'get it'. If there is a need for it, in time there will be a free or open source product. Soon people won't buy software. Those that have software for sale will be stuck with niche software or software nobody wants. Windows will be replaced, but so will Netware, eDirectory, Groupwise, ZENworks, etc. Instead of addressing this issue they answered 'can we make money in an open source world.' Perhaps next time someone should ask a more direct and dumbed down version of the question.

Re:Novell and SuSE long term. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598880)

gnu grew up into open source!

poor rms doesn't even have a grave to spin in :)

Re:At least they didn't port WordPerfect ..... ye (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598905)

I'm with you there. Since Sun decided to use SuSE as the basis for the JDS, we have two big software houses pushing the SuSE binary base. Hopefully, SuSE will take over the desktop space that RH abandonned (ok, there's still the RH Workstation edition).

My biggest outstanding desktop beef is that Netlock/Apani's Contivity VPN product for Nortel gateways doesn't work with kernel's above 2.4.20. Of course, this is because Apani's development leads suck, not Linux itself. If there was an alternative way to connect to a Nortel Contivity VPN gateway (and I've searched far and wide) I'd drop them in a blink.

PPC (3, Interesting)

BibelBiber (557179) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598681)

I hope they'll also release a PPC Version again. I always preferred SuSE to any other Distro unter x86. PPC Distros are rather rare and not as good as PC ones. Maybe Gentoo is quite good but it takes way too long to compile on my iBook.

Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598712)

I am still downloading Mandrake 10 from bit torrent! 84.4%! Can't wait to get off this stupid Debian box back to Mandrake!

Official Release Date (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598739)

The press release says that it will be available May 6. amazon [amazon.com] is claiming an April 15 availability date.

Another office suite? (4, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598741)

Of course we need another office suite - as long as it supports compatible formats, who cares how many we have? Choice is good, and, more importantly a bit of competition is good. Right now everything is largely locked into the MS Office paradigm of how to do things, but there are other ways of doing these sorts of applications. The GoBe Productive suite, for instance, while not a direct MS Office offers a different and very nice style of doing some of these things. The more innovative and new thinking we can bring to the party the better we will be.

I really do fail to believe that the basic MS Office style word processor and spreadsheet are the pinnacle of design for such applications.

Jedidiah.

I want a cyborg cameleon. (4, Funny)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598749)

Ok, folks. Now that MS is going to drop out of the 1st league in a measurable amount of time (estimate: ~2 years) I think it's time to declare SuSE enemy and honor it with the title 'prime slashdot target numero uno', moving MS to position two.
I for my part want a borg cameleon and an automatic +3 insightfull for every rant about SuSE lock-in behaviour plus an extra 'SuSE sucks, Debian rulez' subject on /. And lengthy rant.. err... reviews of even the slightes bug in YaST that the /. editors can come up with.

I'll make a start on the comenting side:

SuSE sucks because they use RPM and only look at the money that comes from sleek boxing of products. Debian apt-get is much more superior. How long will customers put up with this SuSE crap?

(The joke been made, I'd like to add that SuSE migrated me and that they're my fist recomendation for every Linux n00b)

In case you haven't noticed: (1)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598800)

It was a joke, Mr. Troll Moderator.

Planmaker? (1)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598754)

Was I the only one disappointed to learn that "Planmaker" is yet another spreadsheet application? I saw the name and thought it would be (MS Project compatible) project-management software. It would be a whole lot cooler if it was, maaaan.

Linux? Si ! Novell? No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598769)

I guess real geeks have always had a little contempt for Novell. The sysadmins made a living off of it but it didn't seem to do a whole lot. TCP/IP was always a lot better solution to whatever Novell was hawking. So now they've found religion and are now promoting Linux. Just what can they do better than Red Hat? or Gentoo or Debian for that matter?

Sounds fishy to me.

No thanks.

Server must be running SuSE 9.1! (0, Flamebait)

chargen (90268) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598771)

It's down already.... ;-)

..but do we really need another office suite? (2, Insightful)

nadamsieee (708934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598773)

Yes, we need as many competing office suites as the market and programming talent pool will support. But in order for it to work, the file formats need to be completely open. Competition is goooooood.

More is better (5, Interesting)

X-Nc (34250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598779)

SoftMaker's products are quite exelent and TextMaker was worth buying, for me. There are a number of times when OO just doesn't render a document right while TM does. Ideaily I like to have at least OO, TM & Abiword installed on any desktop I use. I used to include Applix (the best office suite there was) in this but since the company killed it it's not worth running anymore.

More information (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8598801)

SuSE 9.1 Professional contains 5CDs, 2 double-sided DVDs. Both the 64bit as well as 32bit versions are delivered together, not in separate bundles. SuSE 9.1 contains Kernel 2.6.4, KDE 3.2.1 together with a KDEified OpenOffice.org suite. This information comes from the german SUSE-website (in german).

Text processor != Word processor (1)

Neologic (48268) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598856)

The blurb describes Textmaker as a text processing application, when it would be more correct to call it a word processor. A text processor or editor would be something like vi or emacs (no wait, emacs is an OS that has a text editor in it).

The only one? (0)

hyphun (728915) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598877)

There is only one word processor that is available for Windows, Pocket PCs, Handheld PCs, Linux, and FreeBSD: TextMaker 2002.
Is this by any means true??? When do you consider something a word processor and not an editor? Is Vi(m) a word processor??

Just incase... (1)

eonblueye (627191) | more than 10 years ago | (#8598891)


Nice discount on Suse Linux 9.0 Professional Edition
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/deta il/-/B000 0E3QNB/qid=1079624062/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-01626 29-2096744?v=glance&s=software&n=507846
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