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TiVo Will Die

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the tivo-is-dying-etc.-etc. dept.

Television 402

Espectr0 writes "Yahoo! News has a PC Magazine-reprinted story about why they think the TiVo will die because of rising competition. From the article: 'It's always hard to write an obituary, especially when the subject is still alive. It's especially hard for me, because I love the little guy like a brother. But, alas, TiVo will die. I was one of the first reviewers to get my hands on an early TiVo box. I compared TiVo with ReplayTV, and although I really wanted to like ReplayTV, TiVo won my heart over.'"

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Oh well..... (5, Funny)

b12arr0 (3064) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612223)

Long live my VCR!!!!!

Re:Oh well..... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612471)

Long live my VCR!!!!!

Pififully, this is the one piece oof hardware around the house I can't get rid of. *SIGH*

Years of video tapes in several fanfold paper boxes (the big 132 column stuff) take up a lot of space and I really need to get cracking editing this stuff and burning what I want to save onto DVDs. I've even got the entire run of Max Headroom, the first time it aired.

The last time I took my VCR in for a fixup it took $125 out my pocket and I thought I should have just bought a new one for $60, but I'm hearing the new VCRs last about 1 year, this was top of the line (NEC 960v, iirc) bought back in 1986.

Your VCR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612488)

Your VCR. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Oh well..... (4, Interesting)

strateego (598207) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612519)

The author is just trying to say that Tivo will become a commodity device like your VCR is now. PVR's soon are not going to be for the techno elite people like yourself but will be a cheap addtion to your setup boxes.

With the FCC requiring digital broadcasts in the next few year all your pvr needs is a cheap processor, HD controller, mpeg2 decoder chip, and some software. Tivo niche could be providing the software for these new set top boxes.

squirt? (1, Funny)

negacao (522115) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612225)


the fat digital bits from the satellite go right onto the hard drive and aren't converted to analog until they squirt into your TV.


now THAT's some realistic pr0n.

Re:squirt? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612316)

>>>
the fat digital bits from the satellite go right onto the hard drive and aren't converted to analog until they squirt into your TV.
>>>

It (satellite signal) still can suffer from compression/artifacts. Watch any cartoon on cartoon network on satellite and then cut over to your "crummy" analog cable line...

*shrug* just saying...

e.

Neccraft confirms: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612234)

TiVo is dying!

Sheesh! (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612236)

So, when did it become fashionable to predict the deaths of everything from consumer eletronics to companies? There's already two links on the front page to death knell articles, I can't swing a stick on a news site without clubbing a few more. Are article writers making up for bad karma they accrued during the hypehypehype days of the dotcom boom?

And why "death"? I understand exaggeration makes for good entertainment, nobody wants to read an article titled "Man goes to work, has uneventful day, returns safely home". But even though he brings up several good points.. why? Is it impossible to consider that the market might not jump as anticipated, or the company/product can adapt to a new environment?

Re:Sheesh! (4, Interesting)

clintp (5169) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612334)

At least as far back as 1985 [google.com] they were joking about the mantra "Death of the Net Predicted". Probably longer, but this is as far back as I could entice Google Groups to go.:)

Re:Sheesh! (3, Interesting)

some2 (563218) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612400)

The net did die, at least as it existed in 1985. The internet used to be a web of text-based web pages, finger sites, ftp, and pretty much the only web browser was something you would install on a UNIX shell, then use SLIP to access.

Back then, usenet actually had interesting discussions and relatively little spam, e-mail viruses were a joke, and being DDOSed by a 14.4kbps modem wasn't much of a real issue. Oh yeah, and there were no pop-under ads.

It is different now. Not necessarily worse or better, but very different from the net of 1985.

Re:Sheesh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612511)

The internet used to be a web of text-based web pages, finger sites, ftp...

As long as there's TCP/IP, there will be finger sites. [fingerbangers.com]

What you say? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612367)

So, when did it become fashionable to predict the deaths of everything from consumer eletronics to companies?

It's been fashionale to:

Predict the future

Rattle on about spifty new things that'll be out RSN

Contemplate the next acquisistion of Microsoft

Contemplate the next anti-trust action against Microsoft

Poke fun at Duke Nukem 4ever (RSN)

Write in glowing terms about the next generation of electronics (MP3 players, cell phones, PDA's, Ditigal Cameras, combos of all four)

How could it be out of character to lay some of these things to rest, when their time comes?

Personally, I've got a video card which allows me to record to HD whatever, whenever I want without any fees. When I can do that, why should I buy a Tivo, or even Replay? And wasn't someone b!tching a while back about Tivo or someone collecting viewer habits?

Re:Sheesh! (5, Insightful)

happystink (204158) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612389)

It's not fashionable, it's profitable, and that's why the shitty, shitty, super duper ultra-shitty, PC magazines, etc. that people link to on Slashdot as if they're some actual form of legit press, love predicting stuff like crazy.

Wannabe pundits don't get ad dollars or further writing assignments by getting the facts straight and admitting they cannot see the future, they get attention by taking a few small things, extrapolating them into way farther into the future than makes any sense at all, and having people on slashdot and their sites' message boards argue about it.

Re:Sheesh! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612498)

So, when did it become fashionable to predict the deaths of everything...?

Apparently since the 16th century [nostradamus.org] .

Obit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612241)

It's always hard to write an obituary, especially when the subject is still alive.

Really? [slashdot.org] ;)

Tivo? (0, Redundant)

intertwingled (574374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612257)

What's Tivo?

first apple, (2, Insightful)

negacao (522115) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612265)

now tivo? i wonder how many times tivo will die in 28 years..

Trend... (5, Funny)

Steamhead (714353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612268)

Let me guess, they will die because they are partnered with Apple [slashdot.org] .

To paraphrase... (1, Funny)

interociter (587446) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612273)

They will take my Tivo when they pry the remote from my cold, dead hand!

Too expensive... (5, Interesting)

some2 (563218) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612274)

Tivo is painfully expensive for the actual service. They offer it for $400 for the "lifetime" of the device. If the thing dies 1 day after the warranty, you paid $33 a month for an overhyped VCR, plus the $220 to get it. I own one, and enjoy it finding me shows.. but really, what in the hell are you going to do with 40 hours of MacGyver?

Re:Too expensive... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612323)

If you take it to a TiVO repair center, they will transfer your lifetime subscription to a new TiVo.

Re:Too expensive... (1)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612538)

The problem there is they have a limit of 10 TiVOs and will not transfer to any more after that repair. Not sure thats any good

Re:Too expensive... (1)

Knetzar (698216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612333)

MacGyver Marathon?

Re:Too expensive... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612351)

Well, you could derive an abstract MacGyver episode, build a table therefrom, uniquely index each of the fields, try appending all 40, and determine the actual number of episodes broadcast.
Predicition: two.
Since you asked.

$299 for lifetime, not 400 (4, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612366)

and with some models, basic 3 day service is included

Re:Too expensive... (2, Informative)

bruce_the_moose (621423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612397)

Lifetime fee is $300 [tivo.com] , not $400.

Re:Too expensive... (2, Informative)

some2 (563218) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612465)

That is, I was including the Home media option [tivo.com] , which is $100 more. It allows you to play MP3s, remote schedule recordings (record stuff from the office, if you find a show you want to see mid-day), and other cool stuff.

Re:Too expensive... (2, Funny)

brysnot (573631) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612424)

40 hours of MacGyver? Is that how the government is planning on getting their political prisoners to talk?
"It's not torture. It's entertainment.

Re:Too expensive... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612459)

That's a serious amount of MacGyver. Perhaps even a lethal dose.

Don't you, like, need a government permit or something to store hazardous waste?

I thought (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612275)

That the MPAA was gathering a list of all TIVO owners in an effort to sue them for copyright infringement.

Tivo isn't ready to die yet (5, Insightful)

jamshid42 (218149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612278)

Considering the partnerships that Tivo has made with DirecTV and Time Warner Cable, I don't see them going any anytime soon. Not to say never, but I believe that this announcement is a little premature.

Now, if you are talking about stand-alone Tivo units, yeah they will probably go away, but I am willing to accept that to have one component on my AV rack instead of two.

Re:Tivo isn't ready to die yet (1)

mph (7675) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612451)

Not to say never, but I believe that this announcement is a little premature.
A premature announcement that something is dying? On Slashdot [slashdot.org] ? Surely you jest!

What did you expect? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612284)

It's powered by a clone of UNIX, and we all know UNIX is dying.

no way! (2, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612287)

They can have my TiVo when they pry... umm... it out of... umm... when they pry ME out of... umm...

oh crap...
-

The DirecTiVo is the cheapest PVR out there... (5, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612290)

The present "street price" of a "DirecTV DVR with TiVo Serivce" is only $99, with only a $4.95 per household DVR service fee that is waived for subscribers to DirecTV's highest programming plan and is not charged multiple times if there is more than one DirecTiVo in the same household. There is of course a one year committment required to avoid a $300 early cancelation fee, but that's standard for all new DirecTV units.

So, let's not compare apples to oranges. The standalone TiVo risks getting priced out of the market, and the HD TiVo is not yet ready for mass distribution, but the DirecTV model is flying off the shelves. The Moxi product isn't available to consumers outside of limited testing markets yet, and News Corp's yet to release a US-aimed PVR or even say they're going to do so so all that product has is speculation by pundits. When your biggest competitors are pure vaporware, I'd say your company is doing pretty good.

Dang, the one I orderd is "out for delivery" (1)

xobyte (255771) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612301)

Oh well, I hope it doesn't die too soon :)
I bought a refurb 40 hour from tivo.com for $99 after rebate. It's coming today. I have a nice 120 gig drive ready to upgrade too :)

The wifey fell in love with tivo over at a friends house...then I got tivo envy.

-chuck

Re:Dang, the one I orderd is "out for delivery" (1)

curtlewis (662976) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612441)

You let your woman experience pleasure from another man's TiVo?

I don't really consider myself old fashioned by any means, but I would certainly have my limits. There's no way I could stand for letting my wife tenderly run her fingers over another man's remote.

At least tell me she didn't get the Season Pass?

More death in the news (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612307)

Seeing as we're on a roll today...

Researchers believe Sun will die in 5 billion years [enchantedlearning.com]

Re:More death in the news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612513)

Researchers believe Sun will die in 5 billion years

But how does that compare to IBM or HP?

I agree (1, Insightful)

Rkane (465411) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612310)

I hate to say it, but I agree. I just converted a box at my house to a Media Center PC for the fun of it. It can do everything a Tivo can do, everything a regular DVD player can do, everything a regular stereo can do, and everything a WinXP Pro machine can do. If the HD PVR tivo is going to be $1000, I don't think they're going to get very far. I think that HD PVR cards for PC's will quickly sprout up that will be far cheaper, and much easier to archive and store recorded programs on.

Computer geeks vs. indie music geeks (4, Insightful)

musingmelpomene (703985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612312)

Computer geeks are getting to the point of being like indie music geeks.

Indie music geeks have attained the level of zen ennui where they deem bands passe before the last flyer reading "2 GUITARISTS SEEK DRUMMER" is done printing at Kinko's.

Now computer geeks are achieving the same thing by declaring every new technology dead before it's even managed to hit its stride. It does not make you a geekier person, or a better one, or a smarter one, to say this crap.

no... (-1, Redundant)

DNAspark99 (218197) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612315)

YOU will die, if you try to take my Tivo away!!

Super Bowl (2, Funny)

myownkidney (761203) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612319)

From the article: The Super Bowl looked tremendous in HD, movies are amazing, and in May, when ESPN begins broadcasting SportsCenter in HD, the contest will be over

I guess the reference is to Janet's Breast

more bad info from PC mag... (2, Informative)

microcars (708223) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612325)

from the article:

"...And now the guys who make digital cable set-top boxes have gotten into the game. Motorola and Scientific Atlanta both make combo receiver/recorders for cable. And they're cheap, too: Viewers can't buy them but can typically rent a box for just $6 a month. That's half the cost of TiVo's monthly service charge after you've bought a TiVo unit for $300 or so."

He's got his numbers all screwed up.

I just got a DirecTv w/Tivo box and it cost $99 and the service is $4.95 per month.

Re:more bad info from PC mag... (2, Informative)

ilsie (227381) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612483)

Non-DirecTiVo units cost more and have a monthly service fee of $13.

Huh? (1, Offtopic)

niko9 (315647) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612329)

Is today Slashdot Obituary day?

Netcraft confirms (-1, Redundant)

Operating Thetan (754308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612337)

TiVo is dying

What the... (1)

Quixote (154172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612338)

What's with this doom [slashdot.org] and gloom [slashdot.org] today?

Cheer up, people! It's friday!

Death Race 2004 (5, Funny)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612341)

Apple vs. C vs. TiVo

Who will die first?

Or will Duke Nukem Forever release before any of them die?

Netcraft confirms: TiVo is Dying (4, Funny)

sabat (23293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612347)


Clearly, they should've just written the article this way:

It is official; Netcraft confirms: TiVo is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered TiVo community when IDC confirmed that TiVo market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent TiVocraft survey which plainly states that TiVo has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. TiVo is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent television viewer comprehensive recording test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict TiVo's future. The hand writing is on the wall: TiVo faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for TiVo because TiVo is dying. Things are looking very bad for TiVo. As many of us are already aware, TiVo continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeTiVo is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeTiVo developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeTiVo is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenTiVo leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenTiVo. How many users of NetTiVo are there? Let's see. The number of OpenTiVo versus NetTiVo posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetTiVo users. TiVo posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetTiVo posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/PVR. A recent article put FreeTiVo at about 80 percent of the TiVo market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeTiVo users. This is consistent with the number of FreeTiVo Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of TiVo, abysmal sales and so on, FreeTiVo went out of business and was taken over by TiVo who sell another troubled PVR. Now TiVo is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that TiVo has steadily declined in market share. TiVo is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If TiVo is to survive at all it will be among PVR dilettante dbblers. TiVo continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, TiVo is dead.

Fact: TiVo is dying

Re:Netcraft confirms: TiVo is Dying (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612482)


Joke aside, as I was reading the article I did get the very distinct impression that this guy had used the "bsd is dying" troll as a model for his rant.

Maybe it wasn't intentional, but it does cast doubt on his conclusion.

TiVOToGO (5, Informative)

RGautier (749908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612350)

TiVO has a new product called TiVoToGo. It should be a Media Center killer, since it will give you the added flexibility you need without having to have yet another crashing Windows box in your house. Here's the press release: "from TiVO [tivo.com] . I think this new product will give users what they really want, which is more flexibility for managing their content, and having a 'library' capability that doesn't fall short at the size of the TiVO box. Rich

Re:TiVOToGO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612458)

Why did they decide to spell the name in AOL nerdkiddie chatroom language?

OmG dID yUo GuyZ SeE LaST wEeKS BuFfFY!? LoLZ shE is TeH HAwT!

Is everything dying today? (4, Funny)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612353)

TiVo is dying [slashdot.org]

AOL is dying [slashdot.org]

Apple is dying [slashdot.org]

Civilization on Mars is dying [slashdot.org]

Shouldn't this story be in the *BSD section?

"X is dying" is dying (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612501)

Under the sustained assault of the on-line community, "X Is Dying" stories are taking a serious beating and are likely to decrease over the next few months.

Can we take this as anything but a sign that the "X is dying" genre of story is, itself, ironically, dying? (Although isn't irony dead, itself having been killed by "Irony Is Dead" stories post-9/11, immediately following the "The World Trade Center Is Dead" which at least had the virtue of being true.)

Sure, they're still being written, but the important criterion for an "X Is Dying" story has been met, namely some schmoe with an opinion and the ability to publish to some degree or other (in this case, Jerf) thinks that "X Is Dying". What more evidence do you really need? History? Thought? Intelligence? All extraneous and unnecessary. "Intelligent Thought is Dying."

You know, the posting of this sort of meta-meta-message is really a sign that Slashdot is dying, don't you think? Once upon a time it was the home of something that was somehow nebulously better then what we have now, but now we have what, 1,000 comments per story and like three times the stories per day we used to have? Surely this growth somehow implies Slashdot Is Dying and should be considered "beleagured".

Best of all, the author doesn't believe a word of this: "Jerf's Belief In His Postings Is Dying." We're just seeing the beginning of this sort of writing, as the fashion of writing "X Is Dying" is just really getting going lately. Seems everything is dying; the economy, the Republican party, the Democrat party, hope for the future, etc. For as many things as are dying, things seem to be going pretty OK, if not great. Good news just can't compete with bad news. "Good News Stories Are Dying"; the trend is pretty clear.

Well... (1)

Strenoth (587478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612354)

As long as they don't stop offering service before I can afford a replacement... :-P I love my TiVo, but not enough for brand loyalty. i'll go with what ever is best.

It Ain't Dead Until NetCraft Confirms It :-) (1)

ewhac (5844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612355)

TiVo dying? Please, no. My sweetie just bought one on Tuesday this week. She's been lusting after one for a few years now, and finally had the means. I even went out and bought a USB-Ethernet adapter so it can live on my LAN and pull updates.

Already the thing has proved its value; it's automatically grabbing episodes of shows we would otherwise miss via its Season Pass feature. Oh, and did you know there's a secret 30-second skip feature you can activate? Makes advertising essentially go away.

So, no, please don't kill it yet. We've only just begun to love it.

Schwab

TiVo won't die (4, Insightful)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612363)

Look. TiVo won't die. So the reviewer says he likes ReplayTV better and that TiVo won't dominate the market in years to come.

But that's ok.

Consider the home PVR market. By all accounts, it's a growing market. In years to come, let's say that it's a $10B market. Even with just 10% market share, that's $1B. Not chump change.

Honestly it's like saying AOL will die. Fading into obscurity, being obsolete, etc are not equivalent to dying. Last time I checked [com.com] , AOL still had 24.3 million subscribers. All joking aside, let's assume 20m actually pay. That is still $400m/MONTH which is a CASH stream that I dare not to cough at.

Death of Tivo (3, Insightful)

mknewman (557587) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612365)

Personally I think the death of TiVo will come when the public finds out about non-subscription encombered PVRs. =

Probably right, unless... (1)

sane? (179855) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612376)

Tivo as it stands is too expensive. Granted the functionality is great and once you're tried it you don't want to go back.

However

Most people won't try it because of the price. There is no good reason for this overcharging other than trying to recoup the hardware cost. Therefore I give this suggestion to Tivo - ditch the hardware and make yourself into a pure play service provider.

There are loads of PVR, DVR and other players looking to get into the market. Ride on that by providing the software and service for, say, $10 per YEAR + upgrades.

It worked for Microsoft.

Oooh! Add it to the list (5, Funny)

Erich (151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612384)

Another one to add to the "foo is dying" list:
  • Apple is dying
  • Linux is dying
  • Real is dying
  • *BSD is dying
  • Tivo is dying
  • America is dying
  • Europe is dying
  • Morality and Ethics are dying
  • People who color fabric are dyeing

Which will pull through? Which won't? Who's going to be next? Place your bets!

Seriously, though, I think that licensing to DirecTV et al will help out TiVo in a pretty substantial way.

Re:Oooh! Add it to the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612568)

Indeed, and if we ever get the:-

Microsoft is Dying

Then I'll know that we're finally scraping the barrel.

No Tivo service in Canada (1)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612388)

You insensitive clod!

Why? (1)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612393)

Why is it with every cool new (dare I say it) innovation it never fails that the so called "analysts" write all their articles about how product X will die?

For example, the iPod. It's going to die. Run for the hills!

Why is there all this fear-mongering? Can't we just enjoy a product and not anylyze it to death, literally?

I almost get the feeling that write-ups like these are actually motivated by trying to make it die. For example, you spread a rumor that bank Y is failing. Everyone takes their money out of bank Y. Then the bank Y fails, seemingly fulfilling the prediction.

Afterlife (1)

ProfDumb (67790) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612396)


The article makes the point that Tivo's software is much better than the competitors. Even if the standalone box business dies (and it probably will), the company will do well as a supplier of software to integrated cable/satelite boxes.

I recently read that this was the original idea of the company: the standalone boxes were supposed to tide the company over until the emergence of the all-in-one set-top box market.

They have something like 3.5 million subscribers who are loyal and will stick around for awhile. At $12.95 a month, that is some real cash-flow to keep the software improvements coming.

How can it die when Tivo is now a verb? (5, Insightful)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612399)

I don't tape things anymore, I 'Tivo' them. The phrase 'to Tivo' has become pretty ubiquitous in the past few years and is synonymous with PVR recording.

With that sort of name recognition, they're not going away any time soon. They may get bought, but the name will be around for quite some time.

Vernacular (1)

Dirk Pitt (90561) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612466)

It'll be interesting to see if it widely enters the vernacular, and if it does, it'll be interesting to see if Tivo defends its copyright. 'Kleenex', 'Elevator', 'Cornflakes', and 'Aspirin' certainly lost their battles.

Digital TV lockout (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612401)

Most cable/dish systems require a special tuner, and unless TiVo gets bundled/built-in, it's difficult to make things work easily (for the average home user). HDTV's no-copy flag could also spell disaster for home recording.

MythTV (1)

the_bahua (411625) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612411)

While it can have some cap card driver and configuration issues, MythTV is just amazing, considering it's Free Software.

Tivo Should DIE (1, Interesting)

stecoop (759508) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612413)

Charging 20 bucks for TV listings per month. The Box is alright for say 100-200. But the service is too expensive

You can build your on PVR with spare PC parts and a TV video card (any ATI card with TV in). Go to http://freevo.sourceforge.net and get the paid TV listing technology for free.

Moore's law no excuse... (2, Insightful)

alberk (761269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612415)

Article failed to mention SnapStream [snapstream.com] , and that's probably a huge possible TiVo killer. As a Dish Network customer, I find the Dish 500 suitable enough to take care of recording the shows I program it to, and with the option of recording them on one of my PC's using SnapStream, so I can take it with me on a laptop if I chose? Unreal. I highly doubt the "death of TiVo" is approaching, and perhaps with some better PR they'll climb out of whatever dark hole other companies are trying to put them in, but there are tons more options these days. ...and Moore's law is no excuse for the death of any technology, only the explanation by which that technology should progress beyond levels of doubt and bad publicity.

Excitedness Ensues... (2, Informative)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612417)

I just saw a commercial late last night on my cable box from Adelphia (my cable provider) that stated that there is either available now, or coming soon, a PVR (TIVO-like device) for my digital cable.

Although I will hate giving my cable company another $10 a month to rent this thing, if I were a betting man I'd say it a lock.

*Can't wait to waste more of my life watching the TV shows I can't stay awake to see*

Adult Swim, Monty Python episodes, and all the Comedy Central shows I can handle!!! WOO!

... I don't think the roof is gonna cave in (3, Interesting)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612418)

yet...

The article assumes Tivo will never release another version/improvement or will never implement HDTV or tap into digital cable boxes "digital" stream...

I love my tivo (I'm still building my own home brew one [byopvr.com] though because it's fun )... I kinda wish I had gotten replayTV (networking features mainly), but after their boneheaded near bait and switch PR blunder [byopvr.com] I feel better not supporting them with my purchase.

*shrug* The article was right about the dangers of the cable companies offering built in PVR's into their digital cable boxes (as a matter of conveience not necessarily signal quality/degredation concerns)

E.

Re:... I don't think the roof is gonna cave in (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612460)

Dammit I meant...
>>>
*shrug* The article was right about the dangers (to TIVO's marketshare) of the cable companies offering built in PVR's into their digital cable boxes (as a matter of conveience not necessarily signal quality/degredation concerns)

blah

e.

Why you should always read the article first (5, Funny)

Nynaeve (163450) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612420)

A snippet from the article:

Shaped like a dog bone, it was simple to use, easy to understand, and a pleasure to hold.

If you didn't read the article, you may not know what the author means when another poster quotes the article! :)

Brand name.. (1)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612423)

They have built a brand name. Every satelite (SP - fuck it!) owner I know, compares their disk storage to TIVO. They have a brand. They are the market leaders. Maybe they'll lose it, but now they're the Cadillac in terms of programming disk storage.
For you youger people: Cadillac is a luxury car that old people think is the best in the world. Like Mercedes, only American made (whatever that means these days) and not as reliable.

I disagree. (1)

Joseph Vigneau (514) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612431)

Does he think that TiVo doesn't know the exact things he's talking about? TiVo doesn't need to sell boxes, they license the software and sell the service. Most people won't notice the difference between current "analog" TiVo and digital TiVo, unless they have a really good TV, in which case, they would probably shell out for the HDTiVo anyway. That $1000 price point will drop, too- the product is still clearly in the early adopter phase. Eventually, sales will pick up, components will be cheaper, and they'll be able to drop the price. TiVo happens to be really, really good at what it does.

Like others here, I'll be building a media box, so I can play FLAC and Vorbis files on my stereo, games on the big screen, etc., but I have no doubt it will be far more expensive (in time and money) than TiVo, and it won't be as easy to use.

Why use a pay service such as TiVo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612438)

Does no one know about this:

http://www.rca.com/product/viewdetail/0,2588,PI7 00 611-CI700297,00.html?

Or this??

http://www.rca.com/product/viewproductcategory/0 ,, CI700334,00.html

I guess someone had to do it... (1)

Dave21212 (256924) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612439)


It's so fashionable these days for to have articles like this one declaring the 'end' of stuff like the iPod [theregister.co.uk] .

I'll believe it when I see it [netstate.com] . Seems these "journalists" have been taking tips from the various [wikipedia.org] trolls [wikipedia.org] .

TiVo needs two tuners (1)

SirWhoopass (108232) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612442)

I have the Scentific Atlanta PVR [sciatl.com] through my local cable company. It's only $6 per month rental, and no up-front purchase cost. My initial unit was bad (seemed like a flaky drive), but since it was only rented I just swapped it for another one from the cable company, no hassle involved.

My brother has a TiVo. I readily admit that the search software on the TiVo is much better, but it doesn't have two tuners (the SA from my cable company does). We were stuck watching some stupid show his wife had set to record. From looking at their web site [tivo.com] , it seems that TiVo doesn't offer any models with two tuners.

Re:TiVo needs two tuners (0)

Nex (23489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612555)

You're comparing apples to oranges: An mpeg-encoding Tivo (I have two) to the Explorer 8000 (which I rent). Wrong kind of Tivo.

The Tivo equivalent to the SA8000 is the Directv Tivo which *also* has two tuners, and also recieves already-encoded digital signals, just like the SA box does. Nex

what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612443)

No 'reports of my death have been greatly exaggeratred' comments?

all I want (1)

bigpat (158134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612448)

All I want is a VCR like, standalone, personal video recorder with no monthly fee that costs under $250.

I don't really care about all the fancy features, just give me play, stop, fast forward, and the ability to transfer recorded video files off the machine.

Is there such a thing out there with assembly not required? I just can't stand the idea of paying a monthly fee for a relatively simple device masquerading as a service.

Re:all I want (1)

pjl5602 (150416) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612551)

I don't really care about all the fancy features, just give me play, stop, fast forward, and the ability to transfer recorded video files off the machine.

Is there such a thing out there with assembly not required? I just can't stand the idea of paying a monthly fee for a relatively simple device masquerading as a service.

Get a Series 1 TiVo off of ebay [ebay.com] . Put in a network card [9thtee.com] and don't subscribe to the TiVo service. You might want to find a 1.3 version of the OS as, IIRC, it doesn't nag you about the lack of service.

TiVo understands more than you think (1)

MarsDefenseMinister (738128) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612454)

"Shaped like a dog bone, it was simple to use, easy to understand, and a pleasure to hold."

That's the secret to getting people to love your product. A few things in life just never seem to get old.

It won't die (1)

Schemat1c (464768) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612457)

There are too many fanatical owners with lifetime memberships, like myself. My TiVo is hacked to hell and I love it. Even if the service got cut off I'm sure enough people would get together and create some kind of volunteer listing service. Maybe in the style of CDDB, before they sold their soul to the devil. At the very least you'd still have a network connected VCR.

It's the End of the world! (1)

ssand (702570) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612463)

First apple, and now Tivo! It's a monumental cascade of unstoppable chaos and death! It's the end of the world!
What will the world come to when You can't replay the super bowl half time over and over, to see a music star's breast.

PC Magazine reports non-PC product will die (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612476)

Let's see - a magazine that sells PCs (that can do TiVo-like functionality, at the expsense of usability) - predicts the death of TiVo.

Moore's Law - Just because you can put an MPEG2 stream onto a hard drive without converting to analog, doesn't mean a TiVo isn't a better way to do it than a clunky piece of crap set-top box from your local spam^H^H^H^Hcable company. TiVo wins marketshare because of its UI, not because it's doing anything technologically revolutionary. Moore's law merely means that the cost of silicon will continue to drop -- but the cost of building a TiVo is about the same as the cost of building anything else. TiVo's strength - its usability - is a function of good design, not the cost of silicon.

HDTV - And next week, IPv6 to take over the world! Enough said.

Murdoch / DirecTV - Then he'll buy TiVo outright, which will also be good for TiVo. Why oust it in favor of something less useful but cheaper, when Moore's Law says both the clunky and the useful products are going to be the same price?

The article's an unwarranted slam against TiVo and only towards the end do we find the real motivation:

In the early years of TiVo, I'd get instant service. TiVo even gave me the name of a special ambassador-a strategy meant to ensure that the company got a fair hearing in the press, on the Web, and in other public forums. Today my inquiries go unanswered-or even worse, I never receive a promised response. Hold times on the help lines are interminable: It took me over half an hour last week to determine why the company had charged me $14.

So that's the real reason for this poorly-thought-out slam: The author used to get serviced to orgasm from the company whenever he flashed his press credentials. But today, he gets the same customer service as the rest of us get... from every company we do business with. It's phone support. It's going to suck Deal with it.

What's next? Netcraft author denied photo-op with cute daemon-suited ch1x0rz at LinuxWorld, and writes a report that confirms FreeBSD is dying?

What is ZD's Accuracy? (4, Interesting)

Mr. No Skills (591753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612492)

Just to keep things in perspective, this article is written by PC Magazine's editor. What, if anyone knows, is ZD's ability to see the future? Seems to me this publication a long time ago became a Microsoft ad channel.

I have no experience with Tivo, nor HDTV, nor cable. I watch TV from a Radio Shack antenna mounted on my roof. So, in TV terms I'm pretty much Fred Flintstone. At the same time, I'm not exactly sure what my incentive is to upgrade to the products that are listed as being the killers for Tivo -- and the thought of Tivo is pretty appealing to someone like me that still uses their VCR.

The article claims that "2004 is the year of HDTV". What does this mean? HDTV penetration becomes 50% of households? This doesn't seem possible with the current penetration being 1-2% (last I checked). Admittedly, Tivo has a need to change its products and strategy over the next few years, but I think the same could be said for any technology based product.

The author is just mad at Tivo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612497)

If you read the article, the author states that they stopped returning his calls. Maybe Tivo got tired of hand-holding reviewers, especially when the press isn't needed... or maybe it's as simple as EVERY reviewer wants a story on Tivo, and he's not as important anymore..Who cares if he was an "ambassador" like 50 other reviewers, I'm sure.

So what. It's not a reason to slam Tivo. Maybe Tivo was right.. look at his childish reaction.

Already happened in UK (3, Interesting)

plumby (179557) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612506)

I'm pretty certain it's already dead in the UK, killed by Sky+, the Sky TV combined digibox/PVR (although I think it was probably on the way out before then, partly down to high prices at launch).

TiVo is Dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612508)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: TiVo is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered TiVo community when IDC confirmed that TiVo market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that TiVo has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. TiVo is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict TiVo's future. The hand writing is on the wall: TiVo faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for TiVo because TiVo is dying. Things are looking very bad for TiVo. As many of us are already aware, TiVo continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the TiVo market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that TiVo has steadily declined in market share. TiVo is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If TiVo is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. TiVo continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, TiVo is dead.

Fact: TiVo is dying

For those keeping score.... (1)

telstar (236404) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612510)

Scheduled to die are...

The language C [slashdot.org]
Video games [slashdot.org]
TiVo [slashdot.org]

Tune in next week when we add another victim to the list.

Overreact much? (1)

fahrvergnugen (228539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612516)

Okay, so according to Slashdot this morning:

-Apple is dead
-Tivo is dead

Where's the BSD story?

A Pleasure to Hold (1)

erik_flannestad (472078) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612526)

TiVo came with the world's best remote control ever...Shaped like a dog bone, it was simple to use, easy to understand, and a pleasure to hold.
I think maybe the reviewer was thinking of another "dog bone" shaped object.

retarded article (2, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612533)

one of many problems: "The next fatal problem for TiVo is high-definition TV signals. 2004 will be the year America embraces HDTV. The Super Bowl looked tremendous in HD, movies are amazing, and in May, when ESPN begins broadcasting SportsCenter in HD, the contest will be over."

OK, so HDTV has been coming Real Soon Now (tm) for, what, a decade? And this yahoo (no pun intended) thinks SportsCenter is going to propel it to the massses? In the next 8 1/2 months? No one ever said HDTV wasn't good. It's just expensive (capable TV, plus tuner, plus whatever) and supported channels are few and far between. Yet somehow, at today's prices, everyone in America is going to buy a new, big, expensive TV and related gear this year? Uh-huh.

In any case, he seems to think TiVo is unable to change. Yeah, TiVo is absolutely unflexible and will be totally unable to adapt to *any* changes in the market. They're going to stubbornly make one product and go under when there's no more demand for it. This article is such non-news I don't even know what to say about it.

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8612543)

TiVo records you!

Tivo's service will die (3, Insightful)

ReNeGaDe75 (585630) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612563)

The idea of charging $13/mo for a programming schedule will die. I forsee that there will be so much competition for DVR's and PVR's that the service fee will keep dropping down to free.

Then, they will have a simple box to type ANY phone number or IP Address (if a network interface is present) to download from, and cable/satellite providers will give you free access to a scheduling server of some sort, and there will be a standard for these schedules.

Tivo still has the best UI (1)

newdamage (753043) | more than 10 years ago | (#8612564)

The author's argument would be akin to saying that the iPod is going to die because of increased competition. I like the Tivo for the same reason I like the iPod, ease of use and a clean user interface. Why hasn't the iPod or the Tivo drastically dropped in price even with increasing competition? Easy, there may be more competition, but that doesn't mean the competition is good enough to dethrone the current consumer favorite.

I have digital cable right now, and I hate the UI for the channel guide, so much so that I almost never use it. On the other hand, my Dad has the DirectTV / Tivo combo unit, and the UI makes it really easy to check out whats on, and still watch TV at the same time.

I really have yet to find anything out there that matches the UI of Tivo. The transparent channel guide that shows so much information at once and it's appealing to me that I can still have an idea of what's going on with the current channel I'm watching, and effectively channel surf all 500 channels in a matter of seconds at the same time.
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