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New RFC Considers .sex TLD Dangerous

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the sex-with-sue-almost-as-dangerous dept.

The Internet 421

netcentric writes "A post on CircleID has reported about an RFC prepared by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd and Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com's Washington D.C. correspondent, analyzing proposals from various parties to mandate the use of special top level domain names (such as .sex or .xxx) or an IP address bit to flag 'adult' or 'unsafe' material or the like. The analysis explains why these ideas are dangerous and ill considered from legal, philosophical, and technical points of view. Here is the post to this report on CircleID along with some commentaries and link to the entire RFC 3675."

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FPFPFP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616447)

FRIST PSOT

Geez (-1)

Steamhead (714353) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616449)

Oh common if we can get all the porn sites under that... i know its impossible. But it would be soo much better!

Re:Geez (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616654)

What's a porn site?

heh (0, Redundant)

DashEvil (645963) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616451)

Bah! .xxx rocks!

But it can be made safe! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616741)

Just append .condom to your .sex and you're all set!

ddd? (4, Funny)

good(k)night (754537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616750)

i agree. just hope that DDD [gnu.org] will have homepage at http://www.ddd.xxx/
that will be fun.

Goatse (-1, Offtopic)

nulltransfer (725809) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616457)

Does .cx also count?

Re:Goatse (0, Offtopic)

Xailia (763749) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616579)

.cx is the domain extention of christmas island, and some people thought it cleaver to combine it with goatse.

Re:Goatse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616636)

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I have a porn RFC (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616464)

A Request For Content, as it were.

The secret code 8) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616466)

Welsh has lots of vowels. The secret is that 'w' and 'y' are vowel sounds in Welsh. Its actually fairly phonetic so learning to pronounce Welsh place names isn't too hard, even if "cwmtwrch" initially looks as terrifying as Polish.

Once again... (2, Insightful)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616469)

...I am releived of the burden of being a responsible, involved parent. Thanks Mr. Eastlake. *sigh*

RTFA (3, Informative)

k98sven (324383) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616591)

If you bothered to read the article, or even the summary, you'd see that the RFC prepared by Mr. Eastlake is against a .sex top-level domain.

Re:RTFA (2, Funny)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616609)

goo....My bad that's what you get for scanning the headlines at work *shame*

Don't even RTFA, just RTFP (1)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616607)

That's "Post" by the way. Quoting from the (usually inaccurate but not this time) story blurb at the top of the screen:

The analysis explains why these ideas are dangerous and ill considered from legal, philosophical, and technical points of view.

Emphasis mine.

Don't even RTFP, just RTFH! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616669)

New RFC Considers .sex TLD Dangerous

Emphasis mine.

I guess it's too much to ask these days...

Re:Once again... (1)

JDRipper (610930) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616671)

Am I missing something here? Was that post supposed to be sarcastic? And who modded as Insightful? This RFC would push you toward being a more involved parent, since it is AGAINST the adult TLD idea. Did you read the RFC? Eastlake's arguments are quite good. Having to move to an adult domain because you happen to have a forum on your website that discusses abortion issues or gay/lesbian issues, or birth control, for example, could lead to you being prosecuted by a frothing at the mouth John Asscroft(remember he had a bad gallbladder). And as far as Lieberman's opinion goes, he can kiss my butt. He has about as much foresight as he has foreskin.

Lieberman (4, Funny)

kundor (757951) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616474)

At first blush I would consider this a good idea, but seeing that Lieberman endorsed it, I'm forced to knee-jerk the other way.

Re:Lieberman (5, Insightful)

Alan Cox (27532) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616518)

The problem is that you have to decide what it means to be "adult content". Even between the UK and France you can find the same film labelled "12" in France, while cut and labelled "18" in the UK

At least the ICRA content rating model put the value judgement in the hands of the viewer.

I can see xxx.us working (kind of), and maybe xxx.randomcountry. Personally I'd rather there was a reliable register of adult URLs rather than a bunch of companies all trying to make sure they alone own the filter lists. ".xxx" is addressing that problem but the wrong way IMHO.

Re:Lieberman (4, Interesting)

kundor (757951) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616566)

I think that the PC gaming industry has showed that self-regulation can work. It's really in the sites' best interest to let interested adults find them easily, while enabling other venues to block them.

Perhaps if there was a gradation similar to the one used by the ESRB, different locales with their different mores could set different thresholds.

Re:Lieberman (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616746)

The UK doesn't allow headbutts. Everyone is different, and if this happened everyone would be forced to accept USA standards. Also what if your site has some content on it somewhere, does the entire site have to be flagged 'bad' and potentially blocked from all schools, librarys, etc

Re:Lieberman (2, Interesting)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616767)

The biology teachers at my dad's school can't read the syllabus online because the school's filter blocks it. Whatever measures you take, filters will be imperfect.

ANAL COCKS ON TEH SPOKE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616752)

Re:Lieberman (1)

JDRipper (610930) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616701)

That's a decent reaction considering Lieberman has the same amount of foresight as he has foreskin.

Adult Bit and Evil bit? (5, Funny)

Nashirak (533418) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616476)

Now would this "adult bit" be incorporated into the evil bit [rfc-editor.org] ? Or what?

Re:Adult Bit and Evil bit? (5, Funny)

aanand (705284) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616745)

HOT PACKET ON SERVER ACTION! Click here for FREE ACCESS to streaming video of dirty packets penetrating badly-configured firewalls!!!

Oh My GOD!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616478)

Won't SOMEONE think of the CHILDREN?!

Already addressed (0, Redundant)

Junky191 (549088) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616485)

I think this has already been accomplished throught the infamous se.cx area of the internet.

He's just jelous.. (0)

EverStoned (620906) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616488)

Earlier efforts in his three decades of work with computer technology include contributions to the Greenblatt Chess Program at MIT, the first computer program to plan chess in tournament competition and be granted a chess rating

If Donald E. Eastlake can't get any (.)sex, nobody can!

.sex is dangerous? (1)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616489)

I didn't know they weren't using virtual protection methods!

Adult bit? Don't the have that already? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616490)

The Sticky Bit?

Re:Their gender detection code leaked already!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616491)

That code is so bloated! Here is a more optimized Slashdot gender detection routine:

#include <Slashdot.h>

char* gender;

char* main(){
gender = "male";
return gender;
}

Re:Their gender detection code leaked already!! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616540)

Bad code!

That should be

const char *main()
{
const char *gender;
gender = "male";
return gender;
}

hahah (4, Funny)

crayz (1056) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616498)

I just told someone at work about this, and he said ".sex? What would that be for...porn sites?"

Lets just say I should hope so

Re:hahah (3, Funny)

Metallic Matty (579124) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616531)

I just told someone at work about this, and he said ".sex? What would that be for...porn sites?"

I think maybe I'll get a .sex domain so that I can generate more hits based on that assumption.

Cheers.

Does the .sex domain mean... (1)

weeboo0104 (644849) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616500)

...that we will be seeing more posts with Goatse links?

add TLD for humor (1)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616683)

No, but maybe just some plain old 'goat' or 'anal' links.

Always amusing... (3, Interesting)

Homology (639438) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616506)

The analysis explains why these ideas are dangerous and ill considered from legal, philosophical, and technical points of view. Here is the post to this report on CircleID along with some commentaries and link to the entire RFC 3675."

...to read why showing a nipple on US TV is immoral, while executing the said owner of the nipple and selling the nipple is a good deed.

Haven't been with her yet (2, Funny)

ted_nugent (226799) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616507)

from the sex-with-sue-almost-as-dangerous dept.

Does she have the clap or what?

Re:Haven't been with her yet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616708)

Are you really ted nugent?

Re:Is the press release in piggish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616510)

Something like this doesn't really *need* 3D graphics though. Would The Simpsons be any better if they got Mainframe to do the animation?

If the focal selling point of a game is that it's in 3D, then that game shouldn't be made. Gameplay and entertainment value are why games should be made.

Amazon.sex (4, Funny)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616513)

I don't know about you, but it certainly gives new meaning to some already existing sites.

tomshardware.sex

slashdot.sex

irs.sex

gateway.sex

Internet's about to get real interesting.

Re:Amazon.sex (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616601)

Don't forget:

christianmanboy.sex

Don't forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616614)

penny-arcade.sex

whitehouse.sex

yahoo.sex

Re:Don't forget (2, Funny)

frankmu (68782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616710)

hmm...
google.sex

Re:Don't forget (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616733)

google.sex

Results 1 - 20 of about 18,900,000. Search took 0.28 seconds.

Re:Amazon.sex (1)

mattjb0010 (724744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616729)

iwant.sex [iwant.com] : everything you ever wanted... at your fingertips!

Re:Amazon.sex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616778)

goatse.sex? or maybe just plain goat.sex :)

-- gid

Thread title (4, Funny)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616517)

At first I read it as .sex STD.

Now _that_ would be a dangerous series of websites.

wbs.

you already can (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616521)

get .xxx. At new.net [new.net] you can get all kinds of crazy extensions, i tried to post `em but: "Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted." so oh well, go check em out.

Re:you already can (1, Informative)

i_am_pi (570652) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616660)

Ow.

The new.net code is a layered service provider that gets up into your Windows IP stack and niggers things up badly. You need both Ad-aware -and- Spybot to get rid of it. They're not real domains, either. you need their crapware to view them.

Captain's Log: My Anus is too Fucking Tight (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616700)

One day Captain Kirk was maiming his cock with a horseshoe when suddenly Mr. Spock ran up to him and shoved his pointy ear up his butt. "What is this for!" the fag captain said. "FAGS FOR YOU AALL!L!!!" the ancient alien howled as suddenly he farted and Captain Kirk twirled around in a daze and his foreskin twisted and his kidney stones turned into wooden beads. He pulled out his pistol and shot lasers at his chastity belt and suddenly he hurdled his dick into Captain Kirk"s bellybutton and it tore his flesh while Spock fucked his stomach. Kirk hollered out loud and Mr. Spock threw his shoes to the floor and wrinkled his penis until Kirk bellowed out to make it stop. A maelstom of shit whizzed around the ship and suddenly a giant fag appeared out side and the U.S.S. Enterprise went up his butt. "Oh what the hell have you gotten us into NOW!" Captain Kirk said as he oozed a condom back on his dick and put his panties back on. "OOH!H!!!!!!" Mr. Spock started fucking him again and shoved his phazer up his butt. He dissolved his glands and exploded his turds and finally a queer klingon hurdled through the door and smashed Kirk with his butt hairs. A maniac sucked his dick and suddenly Mr. Spock fagged Kirk so hard that his intestines burst open and he died.

categorization leads to censorship (1, Insightful)

quelrods (521005) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616534)

At first it seems like a good idea, protect the kids and all that, but what this would lead to is easy censorship. Filtering right now is a nightmare with probably just as many ways to bypass it as to filter in the first place. READ: anyone that wants to get information always can. Also, this would never work, the us would try to enforce it worldwide without making much headway.

Big surprise (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616536)

OK now let me make sure I have all of this straight. Wednesday is the day the SCO quarterly non-earnings report will be released, which most likely won't be good news. So, on Tuesday, the day before the report is released, SCO makes a stock, I mean lawsuit announcement. Do I detect a pattern here?

perhaps this is a good idea. (1)

SatanMat (757225) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616545)

I do not in any version of reality think that anyone should force "obscene" websites to .sex; however it would be good and should be available for anyone who would want to do business there. Free speach should be above all. Noone should be forced to move their website there but it could be a boon to helping me look for my pr0n. cheers.

i.e. when techies get tired of working for free... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616546)

It's encouraging to see unemployeed techs finally taking advantage of all that time they spent fixing friends computers for free. I know I'm usually the first one several of my friends and family call when their computer starts acting weird, and all they want to do is send email.

Now if somebody was really smart, they'd find a way to get partnered with the local Best Buy and could probably turn it into a full time job. You'd be amazed at how much people are willing to pay if you can bring some sanity to their assorted home electronics. My mom loves the 3 page FAQ I made for her that goes step by step how to do everything with the home theatre system my Dad has. She used to not watch any DVDs just because she was scared to touch anything.

LOL U R A DOOFUS MODERATOR (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616634)

wow, do you even know what the fucking story is about? what does this shit have to do with the story, dumbass?

you are a lamebrained moron for modding this shit up. fucking idiot?

Re:LOL U R A DOOFUS MODERATOR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616691)


probably an anti-slash.org/gnaa moderator.

Re:LOL U R A DOOFUS MODERATOR (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616714)

I suspect all of the anti-slash and gnaa users have been insterted into the $rtbl and thus will never moderate

plus, why would they mod that up? they would rather mod up something thats actually practical to mod up

or were you the doofus who modded it up?

Re:"If he committed no crime in his home country" (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616550)

"Extrudited"? Is that where they squeeze you through a small hole and then send you back home?

Dibs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616554)

I call dibs on:
jesuslovesgay.sex

I wonder if the FCC will come after me....

Some have the wrong idea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616558)

This is not meant to replace a score editor!!!

Analogous to the world of word processing, this software is more in the category of software like TeX, LaTeX, or even Postscript and PDF, to a lesser extent. This is software made for pretty printing music. It is meant to do this job, and this job alone very, very well. While one could edit it directly (it's not that difficult to work with), that would be something like using a flathead screwdriver on a screw that is clearly a Philips.

What people should do is look for a score editor that can export LilyPond documents. I'll help start you off:

I'm sure there are others out there.

This is BS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616559)

I don't think that the general public wants to be lied and cheated. They want features, yes, but they want to actually get those features. The current "it's normal and expected to get shafted" situation is not normal, and not what that public was asking for.

In fact, it's the textbook study of why society needs laws, and why they have to be applied. Because otherwise what happens is that the crooks create a pressure on everyone else to be a crook too.

E.g., if you let some merchants sell contraband or counterfeit goods, it will create a pressure on the other merchants to start selling contraband or counterfeit too. Otherwise their prices won't be competitive. So everyone starts trying to outdo the others in how much of their merchandise is from dubious sources.

The same happens here. Once a company is allowed to cut costs by shipping non-functional products, it just puts a pressure on everyone else to do the same thing. Because otherwise someone who actually spends the time to finish and thoroughly debug a product, can't compete with the snake oil peddlers on either price or time to market. So everyone starts trying to outdo the others on cutting down quality.

That kind of thing doesn't go away by itself. Never did, never will. You need a legal system to stop it.

And saying that everyone needs to waste countless hours of their life trying to avoid getting screwed is, if you'll pardon my saying so, completely idiotic. It's as idiotic as saying that your only recourse to spam should be sorting your mails yourself by hand.

There are laws and courts of law for this kind of thing. If I sell you a house which isn't even built yet, you'd sue the pants off me. If I sell you a car, except what I can give you is just two wheels and a spoiler, you'd sue the pants of me. No "EULA" will let me say it's OK to shaft you, in any other industry.

It's time the same applied to software too. (Yes, including firmware.)

Because this kind of generalized thievery and snake oil peddling is already too high a cost for society as a whole. Not only hundred billions of dollars per year are lost to basically legalized scamming in this industry. We're also talking billions of hours total shaved off people's lives, where they have to work around bugs or to read reviews to make sure their new product will even work at all.

Those hours by themselves are too high a cost.

A murderer can be put to death for... what? Shortening someone's life by, say, 20 years? That's approximately 20 * 365 * 24 = 175,200 hours.

Well, these scammers cost society as a whole a thousand times more hours off everyone's lives. Each year.

Now I'm not asking to actually give those marketroids a death by firing squad. But throwing some of them in state jails would be a damn good start.

Either way, again: history has shown again and again that this kind of thing needs laws. And it needs them actually applied.

in soviet russia (3, Troll)

victorvodka (597971) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616561)

1. Create a special place for something considered deviant.
2. Mandate that this is the only place where deviance can take place.
3. Eliminate special place for deviance.
4. ?????
5. Profit!

Obligatory Scrubs Quote (5, Funny)

igrp (732252) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616572)

I'm fairly sure that if they took all the porn off the internet there'd only be one website left and it'd be called "BringbackthePorn.com".

Re:Obligatory Scrubs Quote (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616657)

sigh...
why don't you people use hyperlinking? I had to cut and paste that into my address bar.

Re:Fair Use (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616584)

Almost good. How about,

What do you think needs to be done to ensure that our rights of Fair Use are preserved in this digital age?

I've never thought this was a good idea... (0)

twigles (756194) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616585)

If the govt (specifically that group of old nags in the FCC and their ilk) can identify all pr0n at the flick of a wrist (pun!) then *controlling* that traffic is much easier than it currently is. Think I'm being paranoid? Well that's what happens when you have a president who wants to hold prayer circles in the oval office; you start to worry about your right to enjoy sin and debauchery.

Other ways to timeshift (not just audio) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616589)

Rearrange your work schedule so you start at 7am and get off at 3pm or 4pm. By hitting the streets at semi- off hours you will cut your commute time by possibly half (less traffic.) Time saved : 1 hour per day on the average.

By hitting your seat at 7am when the office is empty and quiet you can get more productive sooner, and get more done between 7am and 9am than most people have done by noon.

Let a woman take you clothes shopping, throw out everything in your closet and replace it with whatever she suggests. Make sure everything matches everything else. Time saved : none, but nobody will know you got dressed in the dark before you had caffeine in your system.

Don't sleep in on weekends. Get up at your regular time instead of 11am and you have effectively doubled the number of hours of daylight you get on each weekend day. God I love to sleep in so I hate this one.

Get your news from FARK (www.fark.com) In the hour it takes to watch the news on TV you could have a synopsis of the important events around the globe from a hundred different news sources. If it is newsworthy, it's on FARK.

Cancel your MMORPG accounts (stop playing Everquest). This will give you back 1000 hours per year. Maybe more.

It sounds like a lot of work, but it's really just pushing a bunch of keys on a keyboard and clicking on a mouse.

frost 4ist!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616594)

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Swastika? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616595)

Anyone else see the swastika in the diagram on page 9?

Voluntary vs. Forced (4, Insightful)

brucmack (572780) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616596)

I don't think that any sites should be forced into doing this, but that it would be cool if sites did it voluntarily. I mean, I'm sure the sites don't really want kids visiting anyway... they probably aren't going to be able to find a way to pay for content.

Re:Voluntary vs. Forced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616629)

Or find a way to not pay for content.

Re:Voluntary vs. Forced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616696)

I agree. I think _having_ a .sex tld that sites could _choose_ to join is a great idea all around. Free advertising for the site, easy to block, easy to find what you want or avoid, etc. etc.

But forcing a site to use that .tld is not OK. Who's going to decide who belongs there? What standard is there? If anyone anywhere in the world is ever offended by your site, you get kicked into the "back room" so to speak? This is a bad idea.

posting anon cuz I'm at work...

worth whose money? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616603)

I can understand that you like the chairs. I spend more than I should on fancy pens, and one can reasonably argue that they're not the smartest thing for me to spend my money on. On the other hand, it is MY MONEY (at least until it goes for taxes, my gf, etc.)

The problem isn't that any of these items such as the Herman Miller chairs, the Hummers (although I could be convinced on that one...) or the Harleys aren't good, but that they're bought with someone else's money. Like the Tyco and Enron folks now, the dot-com people spent their investors' money as if it was given for their personal enjoyment rather than to fund a business intended to succeed. Items such as the above are good products, but their costs to individuals are not in most cases worth the benefits to the individuals. On the other hand, things like this are good if the money is someone else's; then the only comparison required is whether you could buy something else with which you would be happier with the money.

Bottom line - if these items are worth your money, buying them makes sense. If it isn't worth your own money to buy them, however, than it certainly isn't the job of your investors or companies to buy them for you, and they are ultimately counterproductive to the missions those people intended to achieve (because the money could almost certainly be used for things more likely to achieve their ends). When companies buy these things, someone else almost certain got ripped off to buy them - whether it is their customers, investors, or others in the company. Their presence says that the people running the show treat other people's money as their own personal piggy bank, and such people aren't to be trusted (at least not with my money).

Free-Speech Zones (5, Insightful)

LGagnon (762015) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616619)

While this seems to be a good idea in some ways, I can't help but be reminded of those "free speech zones" they command protesters to stay within if they want to protest something. After all, the entire country is supposed to be a free speech zone, and the entire internet is supposed to be open to any form of speech (that is, within reasonable limits).

Re:Free-Speech Zones (5, Interesting)

maximilln (654768) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616695)

"Please stay within the free speech zone so that we can use less tear gas to subdue you when Tipper Gore gives the signal."

Am I cynical, enlightened, disillusioned, or just fed up with being pushed around by Washington bureaucrats? If I want to look at pr0n then, by doggammit, I'm going to. If GW Bush doesn't want me to look at pr0n then perhaps he should donate one of his daughters to my harem. For cripes' sakes. I'm 28, in good physical condition, educated, I have a libido like any other man on this planet, and I have standards which say I'm not going to screw the town nasty-mattress just to get off.

If they don't want to deal with my spooge then figure out a way to hook me up with a woman who will. It's hardly my fault that I have to spend my life locked up at work just to pay taxes so that they can continue to propagate this kind of useless b_llsh_t which costs me money even though I voted against it.

If the police state that we live in is so doggone perfect then quit hassling me about not having a suitable mate.

Re:Free-Speech Zones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616771)

While this seems to be a good idea in some ways, I can't help but be reminded of those "free speech zones" they command protesters to stay within if they want to protest something. After all, the entire country is supposed to be a free speech zone, and the entire internet is supposed to be open to any form of speech (that is, within reasonable limits).

Anybody think that relativism hasn't confused society? Well, here you see that it dictates that "zones" are bad. This, despite common sense which says that "reasonable limits" are good. What is a zone but a group of limits? So why can't there be reasonable zones?

I'm going to register... (1, Insightful)

Frennzy (730093) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616631)

VinDiesel.xxx

And then sell the domain to that loser for hefty sum.

Re:I'm going to register... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616640)

Heh, now there's a website that's bound to suck.

Of course it wouldn't work... (5, Insightful)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616632)

Let's work through this. If they came up with ".sex", many workplaces would filter out sites that were listed in .sex. I mean, wouldn't you? Now, let's pretend that you've got a porn site. You want as many people to see it as possible. You could host it at whitehouse.sex and get some traffic, or at whitehouse.com and get more traffic. Which do you pick?

Both, of course.

I mean, why wouldn't you?

If you outlaw guns... (1)

maximilln (654768) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616644)

It's a good thing that the author of the RFC is opposed to such an idea.

If the gov't would force all sexually oriented material to a .sex or .xxx set of websites, then only the most naive people would make use of it. All of the real nasty/devent/illegal porn would be hidden in any of the usual TLDs or possibly obfuscated in the new .mob(ile) TLD.

So while we'd be busting Christian husbands and teenagers for looking at softcore pr0n we would also be happily turning a blind eye to all of the child molesters accessing fbi.gov kiddie-pr0n files.

I guess, from the gov'ts perspective, it's an easy out to say,"We're doing all that we can. Send more tax money."

Re:I guess that'll show em. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616646)

Hmm.. yeah, since a recent update I can no longer run a.out binaries from the 2.x era... but for as far as external packages and ports are concerned, thats about the first case where you can't get software for older releases to work with a current version using one of the compatxx packages.

That said, some tools (esp those using kmem) should be kept in sync with the kernel, and when at it, why not just build a new userland, its easier then figuring out what you have to update.

The concurrently developing BSD variatiens allow trying out a variety of low level solutions to problems while sharing a lot of their experiences.

Such diversity doesn't really exist in GNAA/Linux despite its zillion distributions (which provide a lot of variation in user experience tho)

google cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8616658)

here [google.co.uk]

Slippery slope (4, Funny)

waynemcdougall (631415) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616664)

I knew this would happen. You kids with your whiles and fors and do untils....you've brought this all on yourselves.

Yes, yes you were all happy when the GOTO [acm.org] was considered harmful. But it didn't stop there. Oh no. I warned you, I did.

And now see where it's led? Sex considered harmful!

Bring back the GOTO before it is too late!

April Fools is coming (-1, Offtopic)

Gadzinka (256729) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616668)

Subject says it all ;)

Yes! (4, Funny)

fluxrad (125130) | more than 9 years ago | (#8616675)

I'm all in favor of this kind of TLD.

Preferably something easy to type with one hand.

Amen! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616689)

I agree! It used to be that the average mom & pop or even home enthusiast could purchase the "decoding" machines or the books that translated the engine light codes. Those days ended around 1992, I believe. As a car enthusiast and do-it-yourselfer, it's irritating as hell to have to pay an exorbitant fee to some dealer just to tell me what the computer THINKS is wrong with my car. 9 times out of 10, it's just some sensor somewhere that is malfunctioning and needs replacing. Usually, if the sensor weren't there, the car would run fine, too. I'll take my good-old v8 any day over cars with 50 million sensors that go bad.

Yawn. Old news. (1)

waynemcdougall (631415) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616704)

Of course sex is dangerous.

Just ask any parent.

Ask your own parents... Another fine mess you've got us into, dear

This is extreme and misguided. (3, Insightful)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616712)

Create the TLD (preferrably .xxx to indicate an "adult" nature, as opposed to .sex which indicates, well, sex. Not all "adult" material is sex). Encourage the porn community to use this new TLD. Let them keep their .coms, .org(ie)s, and .nets. But encourage them to have those domains forward to the .xxx domain. There are responsible site owners in the community. If a .xxx domain suggesst to the potential customer that the site is more legitimate with its business that will create a competitive edge for .xxx domain businesses.

If it doesn't take, maybe then we can discuss this mandate.

Essentially, give them the freagging tool and see if they take to it before forcing them to use it. What ever happened to the "graded-approach?"

bell tolls again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8616723)

So apple,aol,people on mars , profane speech, tivo and .sex are all dying today?

No! That's Software Tool & Die! (1)

World_Leader (635956) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616726)


Gosh I'm so flattered that they thought to use our world.std.com as an example of a domain name in the .sex considered dangerous RFC!

ads (1)

Rotting (7243) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616731)

If we could only restrict xxx ads/pop-ups/flashing banners to .xxx sites...

.adult (1)

jisom (113338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616732)

For Content That's for adults. .xxx & .sex limit to only sex sites.

Not going to happen (1)

CjKing2k (309058) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616736)

Chances are, adult-oriented websites will have little to no incentive to move their domains over to a different TLD.

"When faced with the slippery nature of what depictions of sexual activity should be illegal or not, one U.S. Supreme Court justice blithely defined obscenity as: 'I know it when I see it.'"

Using legislation as a means to force such sites to the new TLD is impossible to implement, since the courts are simply unwilling to touch (no pun intended) on the technicalities of the issue. Trying to ask any judge what they consider sexually explicit will get you a different answer every time, and will change as you go to different parts of the world. The United States is in no position to impose it's ethical views on other contries.

Getting back to my oringinal point, what is the incentive to migrate to the new TLD? Webmasters are generally more interested in getting more visitors to their site rather than placing restrictions. Placing a price cut, which I can see as the only viable incentive, on registration to the .xxx domain could cause non-adult sites to move there, which would cause them to be restricted to children who may otherwise have legal and unrestricted access.

Re:Not going to happen (1)

maximilln (654768) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616772)

A price cut? I certainly don't want my tax dollars going to fund a tax cut to support pr0n. It'd just be another pyramid scheme as banks line up for all the top level contracts. Even if it were a good idea we'd lose 98%+ of it to Greenspan and his cronies.

Government offers contract for .sex and .xxx registration. In order to make it a viable alternative the government offers to back low-interest loans for bandwidth providers willing to host such things. This requires three contracts: one contract with the banks who will shell out the cash to get this ball rolling and another contract to the backbone provider hosting these domains and a third contract to the registrar who will manage it.

Tell me that's not the beginnings of a perfect pyramid scheme (as long as you're at the top level).

A more politically correct adult TDL.. (1)

guacamole (24270) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616751)

.. would be .CUM

It's not just "think of the children" (4, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616762)

While I agree that a .sex TLD is 1.) a dumb idea, and 2.) a potential legal and regulatory morass, I think it's shortsighted to just roll your eyes and write it off as another "won't someone think of the children" proposal.

Some people just don't like being inundated by porn when they use the Internet. Period.

I mean, come on -- we all know that if you spend time randomly surfing the Web, you can hardly go an hour or two without randomly stumbling across some porn -- or reference to porn -- in the form of an advertisement or a pop-up or a joke site or whatever. Half the spam you receive -- and you can't help receiving it -- falls under most people's definition of porn.

So why is that? We don't put up with it in the rest of our day to day lives.

Most communities regulate porn theaters, porn magazines, etc., very strictly. Even if you, personally, like and consume porn in the privacy of your own home, if you leased an office building, you probably wouldn't want a porn theater opening up on either side of you. If your office had a magazine-swap rack in the break room, you probably wouldn't want your employees leaving porn there. Very few people would vote to let their city accept advertising from porn companies on park benches and bus stops.

I don't think it's out of line to have a reasonable expectation of being able to spend your day without viewing porn. So how to tackle that problem on the Internet?

It seems to me that the porn industry has a lot of money, and they're willing to pay it to people to get their advertising and their products out there to where people will pay to consume them. If that's the root of the problem, then it does not seem unreasonable to me to propose possible ways of regulating the way the porn industry does business. The .sex domain is one such idea.

Not the best one, perhaps, but a legitimate one nonetheless.

*come on* button up (0, Offtopic)

tgraupmann (679996) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616770)

Putting all the porn under the .xxx or .sex domain is as necessary as adding the front button to pants. Did anybody question the person that invented the zipper????????

IP Address Bit?! (1)

slifox (605302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8616783)

An IP Address bit to signal if material is unsafe or adult?! Are you crazy? That's modifying the IP protocol for something carried many levels above it!

It's akin to making a big sign on every car/truck that says there are toxic materials on board, and only light the sign for those that actually carry the materials.

Rediculous!
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