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Bangladeshi Liberation War Gets FPS Treatment

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the north-vs-south dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 27

Thanks to The Daily Star for its story discussing the creation of Bangladesh's first domestically-created 3D videogame, based on their 1971 War of Independence, in which "you are a freedom fighter and your mission is to liberate your motherland by fighting the Pakistani occupation." The locally important game setting is explained: "The game works with the unique objective of the gamer as a student, farmer or an adolescent freedom fighter who either has to capture a flag from a Pakistani camp or dominate a Pakistani-occupied area in an environment digitally created in close resemblance with three historically-true battlefield -- Akhaura, Chittagong and Rajshahi." The title is hailed as "the first 'First person shooting game' made in Bangladesh", and the game CD also has educational elements, since it "will also feature historical background to the battlefields in 1971, essays, photographs and a chronological account of the War of Liberation."

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Uh.. (1, Interesting)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644299)

So now I'm guessing we wait for pakistan to condemn the game..

After all, the chinese didnt like C&C Generals all that much.. [geek.com]

Re:Uh.. (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644340)

did Germany condemn any Wolfenstein game(s)?
Is Vietnam condemning Battlefield Vietnam?

On a side note, imagine the fun we'd have playing a game based on the US/Canada war of 1812...

(yes, I know, technically, back then Canada was still British)
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Re:Uh.. (2, Informative)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644782)

did Germany condemn any Wolfenstein game(s)?

Uh...Germany didn't bother condemning them. They just outright banned them.

Is Vietnam condemning Battlefield Vietnam?

I haven't the faintest idea what the political situation is like in Vietnam, though I doubt that video gaming is a prominent issue there.

On a side note, imagine the fun we'd have playing a game based on the US/Canada war of 1812...

I think that sounds like fun.

On the other hand, I also thought that it would be fun to play not only as the police but as the sniper in a UT clocktower scenerio in one of the hostage rescue/counterterrorism games.

Re:Uh.. (5, Informative)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644823)

did Germany condemn any Wolfenstein game(s)?

Uh...Germany didn't bother condemning them. They just outright banned them


It should be noted, though, that Germany has rather strict laws regarding what can and can't be shown in games. Additionally, most Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany, regardless of context or medium.

Re:Uh.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8645824)

Additionally, most Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany, regardless of context or medium.

So much for freedom of speech. Here in America I could hang a swastika from my front porch if I want to. Germany sucks.

Re:Uh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8646077)

Yeah right. Try hanging a Hamas flag from your porch and see how long it takes before you are indefinitely detained as a material witness.

Re:Uh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8646375)

So much for freedom of speech. Here in America I could hang a swastika from my front porch if I want to. Germany sucks.

I give you 5/10 on the troll scale. Good execution, but low level of difficulty (Nazis!).

Re:Uh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8651162)

it was only a 2. I mean Nazis? C'mon.

Re:Uh.. (3, Informative)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 10 years ago | (#8649639)

> Additionally, most Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany, regardless of context or medium.

Nazi imagery is not illegal regardless of the context or the medium. It is illegal without appropriate historical context/annotation.

The German government deemed that a game for leisure doesn't provide the appropriate historical context, no matter how many soldiers and Nazis you may kill in it. There are ample German documentations and educational material all containing Nazi imagery. It is the single most important part in German history curricula. However, you'll probably have a hard time finding "Der Ewige Jude" [holocaust-history.org] uncut

The future of war? (3, Interesting)

Singletoned (619322) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644339)

It does naturally lead one to hope that any future conflicts between Bangladesh and Pakistan (or more probably Pakistan and India) could be fought out using this game rather than guns, tanks and missiles.

Re:The future of war? (3, Funny)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644541)

[Pakistan]harrihaxor: 3y3 w3311 h4x0r j00r 65m3 53rv3r b0x0rz
[Bangladesh]happyjoe: mw4h4h4h4h4, ph34r m4h 1337 l1nuX s3rv4, n00b
[Pakistan]harrihaxor: 57f00 l4m4, d1z c4115 f0|2 d3v1n3 h4x0r.
[Bangladesh]happyjoe: w4r!

Shit happends :P

Re:The future of war? (5, Insightful)

rishistar (662278) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644701)

I think they'd much rather go for cricket!!! This current one day series [bbc.co.uk] is one of the best ever!!!

No chance of dubya figuring out who won though!

Re:The future of war? (4, Funny)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8646300)

Yeah, but the game would lead to a real war eventually.

You see, Pakistan would lose the first match in game, and accuse Bangladesh of speedhacking. In the rematch, Pakistan wins and is accused of aimbotting, and they decide to go best two out of three. In the thid match, Bangladesh wins, and Pakistan accuses them of wallhacking this time, and launches their nuclear weapons at them, saying, "Ha! Hack THAT n00b!"

Re:The future of war? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8646482)

In the thid match, Bangladesh wins, and Pakistan accuses them of wallhacking this time, and launches their nuclear weapons at them

Nuclear missiles are the AWP of international relations. C4Mp3r Wh0r3z!

Re:The future of war? (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8648276)

Nuclear missiles are the AWP of international relations. C4Mp3r Wh0r3z!

True, but the advantage of being a C4Mp3r Wh0r3 in real life is that the other person is dead, and he can't swear at you anymore.

historical validity vs fun? (5, Insightful)

Numeric (22250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644656)

as a gamer, i never have considered a game whether its "moral" or "immoral" or have historical importance to play.

when i play Battlefield: Vietnam, I have never not joined the Vietkong or the NVA thinking that I don't want to kill Americans. I'll just indiscrimitely shoot anyone not on my team.

perhaps the Bandlgadeshi Liberation developers might develope the game like America's Army, where you always play as the "US Army" and the opponent are always the "OpFor".

Re:historical validity vs fun? (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8646373)

I've always enjoyed playing the "bad guys" in historical war games like this. It's usually more fun to play as the weaker side and see if you can do better than the real generals did.

Cooooooool (2)

Pizzop (605441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8644892)

Any chance this is going to be exported to the US? It sounds like it could be fun, and well, I don't mind supporting the Bangladeshi and their history.

Free as in... (3, Interesting)

Boing (111813) | more than 10 years ago | (#8645611)

At least this serves fairly well as an example of why video games should be considered speech. Bias aside, this is, on some level, a historical account. If one considers The Killer Angels to be speech, I see no reason why this (or a U.S. equivalent) shouldn't get similar protections.

Re:Free as in... (2, Interesting)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8647184)

True, on some level it is a historical account, but is that level high/low enough? BF:Vietnam doesn't have blood because of EA's insane attempts to get a 'T' rating (C&C:Generals had a 'T' rating as well even though you could kill civilians with anthrax and get money for doing so). So at what level does a game have to reach in order to allowed to emulate a historical event? A few paragraphs on a few battles while removing all the blood? By that logic, C&C:Red Alert should've been philosophical for its time travel and 'what if Hitler never came to power' storyline.

Re:Free as in... (2, Interesting)

Boing (111813) | more than 10 years ago | (#8647390)

So at what level does a game have to reach in order to allowed to emulate a historical event?

What level does a porno have to reach in order to be considered a love story?

The regulation of the game industry, and the actions that publishers take in order to cram what they want to communicate into a specific rating, is directly comparable to the similar actions taken within the movie industry (and movies get "speech" protections).

Any given video game may or may not be an accurate portrayal of a factual event, but they can be; what I'm trying to point out is that the gamut of stories and messages that can be communicated by video games directly parallels the contents of books and movies. Video games are speech as much as Penthouse is speech as much as Citizen Kane is speech as much as Stairway to Heaven is speech.

Re:Free as in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8648302)

Well, I'll agree that EA makes some stupid moves to get "T" ratings, but as for blood in BF:Vietnam and other FPSs, I'm glad they left it out. Most FPSs (and other genre games for that matter) that implement blood do it in such a stupidly unrealistic way that it detracts from the game.

When people are shot with bullets, blood does not just come pumping out of them *whisssshhh* like a fire hose, nor do huge blobs of blood go flying away. If the bullet penetrates and exits, at most a small spray is produced, which would be near invisible at the detail level in games. Most of the time, blood just wells up around the entrance wound, staining clothes.

If anyone really cares to verify this, there are plenty of "eXtrEeM videos" on the net of people actually getting shot, obviously NSFW

Re:Free as in... (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8652912)

If the bullet penetrates and exits, at most a small spray is produced, which would be near invisible at the detail level in games. Most of the time, blood just wells up around the entrance wound, staining clothes.

So if I'm running around in the jungle wearing farmer's clothes and I take a couple dozen bursts of helicopter mounted M60 machinegun in my chest, my blood is going to just well up around the entrance wounds? What if I get hit by a mortar round? Does my body just fly up in the air and slide across the ground with almost no regard to friction?

Damn, no wonder the U.S. lost the Vietnam War. Those Vietnamese are tough mofos!

Re:Free as in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8654422)

no wonder the U.S. lost the Vietnam War.

Shhh, quiet, they still think they did quite well in that.

Wow! (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8655606)

Wow, my folks are from Bangladesh and imagine my suprise in seeing this on the games site (I'm not used to seeing "Bangladesh" and "video games" in the same headlines. However, people with the money do play a lot of games there though). Us Bangladeshis are feeling left out, as the Indians and Pakistanis are currently in a fervor over the cricket games, so this is really interesting.

My family's an upperclass one, but my uncle who was about 20 at the time wanted to run off and join the army - he had to be kept under lock and key so he wouldn't go.

Historically, it's very important to me and all Bangladeshis (it happened 30 years ago, but you wouldn't know it in Bangladesh - its still very emphasized over there.

I'm not an FPS fan but I will be giving this game a look over.

Ha, proof positive (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 10 years ago | (#8655638)

Maybe this will show the people who were commenting on this article [slashdot.org] that on the subcontient we can make games too. It's not a creative process that only the West can do.

Of Questionable Ethics? (1)

prestidigital (341064) | more than 10 years ago | (#8656284)

I like FPS wargames. I play Desert Combat. But the only realism I am concerned about is related to how things look, how vehicles perform, etc. I can't believe no one is questioning the ethics of trying promote historical understanding through a game where the main objective is essentially "shoot and kill." Framing such a game in loosely based historical context is one thing, but I doubt many FPS game developers are sufficiently qualified to teach history. Even if they are, I still say it's inappropriate. I know we want games to be realistic as possible, but when we start accepting FPS/military games packaged with (supposed) historical artifacts and political statements then we are venturing into dangerous territory, I think. I don't think I could ever even accept potential benefits, i.e., that such a game might expose players to worthwhile knowledge of an historical event, when otherwise that player may not have been presented with other opportunities for learning.

Anyway, I'm not intending to bash those game developers in Bangladesh. I'm sure their intentions are good. Bully for Bangladeshis (?) for getting into the game development mix. :^)

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