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1393 comments

some stuff (5, Informative)

frazzydee (731240) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671407)

For anybody who doesn't have software to read .pdf files (or for anybody who doesn't want to download the pdf file), here [216.239.41.104] is a link to the HTML version of the above mentioned on the above link [microsoft.com] .
also, here is a translation of the link to linuxfr.org [google.com] . Slashdot should have posted another link to the english version- i don't think the majority of /. readers can read french fluently.
OpenOffice does not have a dedicated development or support rteam.Consequently,if bugs go unresolved,users have the option to resolve problems by scouring through numerous community sites and chat rooms.
is it just me, or is microsoft the one who we usually hear about leaving bugs unresolved for months? [eeye.com]

Unresolved bugs. (5, Insightful)

NeoBeans (591740) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671465)

That is one of the things that stuck out to me... Given the longstanding bugs in Windows, and the lack of support to end-users when bugs do occur, I'd say this is a case of the pot calling the stainless steel pan black.

Re:some stuff (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671467)

Slashdot should have posted another link to the english version- i don't think the majority of /. readers can read french fluently.

From what I've seen round here, the English version would be no more useful than a version in Klingon.

Re:some stuff (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671486)

For anybody who doesn't have software to read .pdf files
Am I alone in thinking they should have made it a .doc file? Considering that the audience for this guide would be current users of MSOffice.

Re:some stuff (3, Insightful)

frazzydee (731240) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671620)

the audience for this guide would be current users of MSOffice
No, I think that current users of OO.org are also targeted. They not only want to convince people not to switch, but they wouldn't mind trying to prove to current OO.org users that the software they're using is inferior to ms office. Also, oo.org is compatible with ms office (although sometimes formatting is lost), so users of oo.org could read the file anyways. Besides, why should they narrow their audience when they can target everybody (ok, well the people w/o pdf readers aren't targeted, but then again, there's an html version- but you get the point)?

Re:some stuff (1)

AnalogDog (756238) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671490)

I thought that was a totally bogus arguement. I mean that if a problem is found there is usually good help available through a website, or email list, 24/365. I my ego saturated opinion, that just rocks over having to deal with MS's "support" Rob

FR (0, Offtopic)

Marc2k (221814) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671513)

First Reply.

Re:some stuff (4, Insightful)

Kourino (206616) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671624)

Man, you know, the funny thing is that the one thing you pick on them for is true. Yes, even GPL'd software can have unresolved bugs sitting for months. Hell, go to the OO.o bug tracker and you can find entries from 2002 if you look for two minutes.

This isn't to pick on OO.o - writing bug-free software is manageable, but not necessarily easy, especially for something that big. But no, Microsoft isn't the only one who leaves bugs unresolved for months. If you're going to debunk this, I'd start somewhere else.

Fallacies (5, Insightful)

FractusMan (711004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671409)

Fascinating use of "facts" and "logic" going on here. Let me start with this one: "...Basic feature functionality that enables content authoring is only one small aspect of what a small business needs. Businesses need to:..."

Well, that's a great argument. No, it isn't. The opening line was, "Open Office is good enough. I only need basic functionality." And Microsoft's response is, "No, you don't! You need more than that!" Well, thanks. I'm glad you know what we need more than we do.

Another argument they make is "User support such as training (OpenOffice UI, although similar in many ways to Office, is not the same and users may require 'retraining')."

Well, that's also swell! I'm glad Microsoft has assumed that we'd need retraining, because obviously everyone was originally trained using MS Office. I'm glad they assume that. That makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. So what about everyone who hasn't had training in either?

I'll leave the rest of the fallacies to more experienced users than myself.

Re:Fallacies (5, Interesting)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671528)

I would have expected them to say MSOffice has lower TCO or higher ROI than OOo, at least trumpet "Office is better". But no, all we get is "Don't you DARE switch from MSOffice or ALL THIS will happen to you!".

Ah, Microsoft is feeling the heat the free software community is lighting under their asses.

Got any of that "Ronson Fast Lite" left?

Forgot to include... (5, Insightful)

(1)down (749897) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671569)

WHY open office can't format Office Documents correctly.

Re:Fallacies (4, Insightful)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671621)

After a couple years using WordPerfect, it took me about an hour (during which I still managed to get things done) to get used to MS Works. It was maybe 15 minutes (during which I managed to get work done, again) to get used to MS Office. OO took me a couple hours (and again, I still typed up a term paper in that time).

Yes, people require retraining to use a word processor they aren't familiar with, but it's not like you have to send them off to boot camp for nine weeks.

The giant COCK seems to be sweating (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671412)

over this failed first post attempt

From the point of view of CTO of a Fortune 1000 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671417)

My boss suggested that this year we migrate the office system to OpenOffice, and being the technical guy in the company I recommended against it. There is a rumor that a lot of Sun Micro code was found in OpenOffice, so the whole thing is just another SCO waiting to happen. I mean, I am all into Linux, penguin shit and open-source like everyone around here, but until there's that legal murkiness, OpenOffice spread is going to be a problem.

I suggest they televise the OpenOffice project leaders under oath claiming there's no Sun code in OO release, that would be a huge help for Linux advocates in corporate America like me.

Nice try, Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671505)

...but that was really a pitiful attempt. You'll find that you'll have more success if you don't say things like "penguin shit". Also, saying "but until there's that legal murkiness" just doesn't make any sense.

Back to the drawing board, my young Jed^H^H^H^HTroll.

Re:Nice try, Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671537)

Back to the drawing board, my young Jed^H^H^H^HTroll.

What's a youngTroll?

MOD PARENT INTERESTING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671519)

Parent poster raises some intriguing issues with major ramifications if these allegations prove true.

Viruses!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671430)

Oo is vulnerable? lol

Re:Viruses!! (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671487)


Oo is vulnerable? lol

Maybe if they find a way to import Office macros..

FIRST POST LOL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671435)

Propz to my Dead Homiez
Werd to teh International Trolling League
Shoutz To GNAA

my reason (4, Funny)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671436)

I chose MS Office because I like throwing away my money. I am also a moron. That is why I have a chandelier hanging in my car.

Re:my reason (0)

asternick (532121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671544)

You're the duke of New York, you're A#1!

Re:my reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671549)

You're only a moron if you're car is a convertible ;)

Re:my reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671599)

Huh.

Most people choose MS Office because OO sucks complete ass. I try each new version, and they all make me run screaming back to MS, even with a $0 price tag.

Being a moron, I'd think you'd choose OO for its terrible image and page format handling. Hard to throw away money on it, but you can throw lots of time, effort, and productivity away with it. That sounds better than just throwing away money, doesn't it?

good logic (5, Interesting)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671437)

Some of the weirder things they claim in it is that by choosing MS Office over OpenOffice.org one is protected from the threat of viruses

yes because i get all sort of virus alerts about new security threats for open office.

Re:good logic (2, Funny)

Johnny_Law (701208) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671552)

Some of the weirder things they claim in it is that by choosing MS Office over OpenOffice.org one is protected from the threat of viruses

Ohh.. That Microsoft is such a kidder. They had a great straight face for that one. They almost had me going there.

What you mean they were serious? Oh dear...

Note the URL path (5, Funny)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671439)

The path is:
/partner/salesmarketing/opensource/discguides

Disc stands for "disinformation campaign"

Re:Note the URL path (1, Informative)

tdvaughan (582870) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671596)

Interesting? It's far more likely that it is short for 'Discussion Guides'.

Hmm, very little is said about features... (5, Insightful)

coupland (160334) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671440)

One of the things I find most interesting about this guide is how much it focuses not on how MS-Office is better but on the many inconveniences you will suffer by switching away from it. They focus on the pains of data migration, macros, and training. And to the question "What if OpenOffice has all the features I need" they don't attempt to refute the claim, they point to all the pain you will feel when MS-Office users start sending their "full-featured" documents to people who only have OpenOffice. MS-Office was feature-complete as of Office 95, everything else is not simply window dressing, it's down-right irritating

They're admitting to anti-competitive behavior (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671520)

Wow, what better argument can you give than that OO.org can't open "full featured" word documents of the most recent word versions?

Now, why can't OO.org open those documents? It's not because OO.org doesn't want to, or isn't up to date; the reason is because Microsoft keeps the method of opening those documents secret! They drive out the competition by not letting them know how to open the files. This justifies the EU's recent actions even more.

Re:Hmm, very little is said about features... (5, Insightful)

The-Dalai-LLama (755919) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671595)


"They focus on the pains of data migration, macros, and training"

Ah, the trials of a monopoly. Once you've attained complete market saturatation, your only option to is to keep locking in your current users more and more tightly. It's a bitch moving an Access database to another version of Access, let alone another suite entirely.

The Dalai LLama
A watched comment never gets modded...

They left out sharepoint services (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671613)

The shared document workspaces and the self-published websites are the only new thing useful in the office suite. This doc actually makes me WANT to check out open office.

Let me guess: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671442)

Microsoft Office is cheaper!

Choose MS Office (0)

nadolph (661727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671454)

Obviously when you pay more for a product you get more in return.

jk

PDF link (-1, Offtopic)

Zangief (461457) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671458)

I despise this trend about considering PDF valid web links. Depending on what you seek, you can find a lot of links to PDFs, which are generally not navegable, and weight a lot. I don't think that the google option "view as html" is such a good idea. They are just validating the post of PDFs on the web.

Its a beautiful thing! (5, Insightful)

KingReuben (707879) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671460)

Inch by lonely inch, the Open Source Movement/Linux/whateveryouwannacallit matures and grows more powerful.

And M$ says they won't release a new version for (what was it?) three years? Five?

Meanwhile the opensource coders and fans continue whittling away in the trenches, refining their dreams and ever more gradually making MS look pretty damned bad and ugly.

I think of where Linux distros are today compared to 5 years ago -- and I think about where they will be 5 years ahead!!

It's a beautiful thing!

Re:Its a beautiful thing! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671558)

Look, do you have any idea how immature you look when you spell MS "M$"? All companies want to make money, not just Microsoft. Grow up.

Church (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671578)

Link [txgenes.com]

Good point! (1, Funny)

thebra (707939) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671461)

"by choosing MS Office over OpenOffice.org one is protected from the threat of viruses."

That is why any one uses Microsoft products, duh!

PDF (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671462)

"Microsoft Office vs OpenOffice" document, published by Microsoft in ... PDF format.

Amusing...

Re:PDF (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671562)

It's targeted at people who don't have MS Office, so it makes sense.

Apparnetly there Apple Mac department MS are not to slow.

Re:PDF (1)

javatips (66293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671626)

They want to make sure that early version of the document are not accessible by some "keen hacker"...

Time to check out Open Office (5, Insightful)

MissP (728641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671463)

Hmmm. If Microsoft considers OpenOffice a sufficiently mature product that it warrants a comparison, then I guess it is time for me to compare.

Re:Time to check out Open Office (5, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671580)

I was just thinking the same thing. Last time I tried OO, I concluded it was "not ready yet" and went back to Word & Excel. The fact that MS thinks it's worth attacking makes me think the newest version must be worth another look.

Re:Time to check out Open Office (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671609)

Very intelligent comment. If I had mod points, they would be for you mister.

Good (4, Insightful)

KoopaTroopa (549540) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671464)

Many of the same people who could possibly be swayed by this probably haven't heard of OpenOffice.org anyway. This is free publicity.

I can't imagine anyone seriously basing their purchasing decisions off of such a document, although I'm sure someone here has an acquaintance who can disappoint my small amount of faith in humanity.

Different Day (2, Insightful)

kensai (139597) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671466)

Same FUD

hmmm.... (5, Insightful)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671469)

And yet the comparison document is in a format that can't be read by MS Office, but CAN by OpenOffice.org...not a great idea :)

Chris

Naturally they EYODF (5, Funny)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671471)

Of course Microsoft would create this document using their own products, naturally, they are the big proponent of the "Eat Your Own Dog Food" methodology.

So why then when I click on Document Properties on this PDF do I see?

Creator: QuarkXpress 4.11
Producer: Acrobat Distiller 4.05 for Macintosh

Bill: while you're transferring this over to Microsoft Publisher perhaps you'd like to fix the typo on page 1: "rteam".

John.

ROR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671575)

YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG!

Clippy! (5, Funny)

dswensen (252552) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671472)

"B-but, Open Office doesn't have Clippy, the helpful paper clip. Or a wizard. Or a little Microsoft logo that tells you when you're writing a letter (because obviously, you don't know). We even have a helpful little puppy! You like puppies, don't you? Everybody likes puppies! Fine, go ahead and use Open Office, puppy killer!"

Looks like... (1)

jdtanner (741053) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671474)

...so OpenOffice doesn't have a dedicated support rteam? :-)

Paragraph 3.

OpenOffice does not have a dedicated development or
support rteam.

What is a rteam?

Re:Looks like... (1)

jdtanner (741053) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671553)

...oops the title to my last post should have been

Looks like the Office Assistant isn't working! :-)

Competition (1)

RedShoeRider (658314) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671482)

/me puts nomex underwear on

I'm forced to use Office XP here at work. XYZ pharmaceutical company I work for is certainly not going to be moving to a desktop other than Windows, so I'm stuck with Office XP. That being said, I'm glad to see MS reacting to the threat of OO. If it means they have to put an extra group of developers/debuggers to make the damn thing work better, I'm all for it.

As much as I'd like to see OO make huge inroads into the multinational corporations, I know that's at least half-a-dozen years down the road. So in the meantime, if I can have a product that does not completely suck....well....make the workday go by faster.

/me takes nomex underwear off and runs them up a flagpole

Step 3 (5, Insightful)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671483)

first, they ignore you
then, they laugh at you
then, they fight you <-- you are here
then you win

Will step 4 happen? Stay tuned.

Somebody has to do it... (2, Funny)

AJWM (19027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671610)

Step 5 - Profit!

Re:Step 3 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671619)

I think it goes:

*) First, you quote Benjamin Franklin
*) Then, you quote Ghandi
*) ???
*) Profit!

Really, folks, famous quotations are no substitute for an original opinion.

Reason #4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671484)

"All the cool kids are using Microsoft Office, why aren't you?"

Is that really the best they can do?

Mod uberparent up! (2, Funny)

wzzrd (545802) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671488)

Can someone give a +5 (thousand) to the MS guy who wrote the part about viruses!? Rolling on the floor from hysterical laughter!

PDF (1)

Dethboy (136650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671491)

I like the fact that this document is a PDF which stangely enough I can generate quite easily from OO. To do the same thing in Word however I have to be running Acrobat... ($$$$)

Good to see Microsoft 'debating' these things though - means that OO is popping up on their radar.

Rule one of marketing.. (5, Insightful)

Sexual Ass Gerbil (728400) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671495)

1. Never mention the name of your competitor.

Once a company names their competitors in marketing literature, you know the company is losing ground. Or so the marketers say. I'm not sure if I believe it though

Re:Rule one of marketing.. (4, Insightful)

DR SoB (749180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671616)

Your are 100% right (MOD PAY ATTENTION TO PARENT!!)

I work for a software company, when a customer questions a competitor product or asks "Which is really better" kind of question, we always tell them:

"Install both and you can make a better decision".

I bet Microsoft would _never_ use that line!

MS Office versus OOo (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671500)

Here's a reason, because MS Office is integrated well with Windows. Open Office isn't. If you are using Ximian products then Open Office would be the correct choice. Perhaps they should say if you use Windows use MS Office, if you use Linux use Open Office. OOo should focus on the Linux desktop integration and forget about Windows compatibility. Migrating everyone to a Linux desktop is part of the Linux Jihad isn't it?

MS consitency... (1, Interesting)

borgdows (599861) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671501)

You notice that their document is PDF, OOo makes PDF creation easy for the crowds (Export as PDF button) whereas MSWord makes it a pain in the ass ("printer driver" / Acrobat Distiller combination...)

ADOBE? (1)

slappy_guru (230776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671504)

If it's good enough for microsoft, why not just us acrobat :)

Hi slashdweebs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671509)

I can't wait for the day that Bush is relected. It's not that Bush is a great president, but that it will piss of the EUrinals. Anything to piss off the likes of Chirac and other Eurotrash socialists is a good thing. Bush will win
decisively and there is nothing that a bunch of slashdorks can do about it. I advise all of you leftist Americans to move to the EUrinal so that you can be equally miserable in the socialist paradise that is the EU.

Tried them both (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671511)

And find Open Office to be decent, but a far cry from being useful. It was clunky for anything beyond basic usage, which I expect is what the /. crowd thinks is most important. It was a pain in the ass just to take notes with, though and was soon ditched with little care. Bullets were a hassle, advanced formats were a nightmare, even saving files was annoying. Pass this crud on by, it is just not worth the acclaim everyone is giving it. Still tripe when in actual use.

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671512)

/CreationDate (D:20030911160553) /Producer (Acrobat Distiller 4.05 for Macintosh) /Author (Gravity) /Title (competitive OpenOffice.qxd) /Creator (QuarkXPress\(tm\) 4.11) /ModDate (D:20030911160603-07'00')

Created on a Mac.

Nice.

3 Words (1, Redundant)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671516)

Paper Clip Guy

Re:3 Words (2, Funny)

midshipman_geek (741181) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671586)

Death to Clippy

Congrats to OO.org! (1)

Roger Keith Barrett (712843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671518)

Congrats to OO.org!

When you put something together that is good enough the bloated Micro$oft blimps bother to put out a publication libeling your product you KNOW you have to be doing something right!

Kudos!

DRM - The missing bullet point (1)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671521)

Hmm...let me see....here's a FUD point....there's a FUD point...now where is the DRM section? What? No bullet points for Microsoft's plans for DRM for all of its products in the future? Oh well, that's one massive advantage for not locking into MS Office.

Hmm...funny, when I check that box, Microsoft loses every time!

Hmm. (1)

James A. M. Joyce (764379) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671523)

I can say with a mere skim that this guide just smells like BS from the get-go. The only advantag e that MS Office has over OO.org is loading time. Nothing more. And I think it's more than a bit jammy of Microsoft to publish a "competitive" guide. The hypocrisy of them is fucking unbelievable. I'll be glad when they're gone; they haven't made any useful software since Encarta.

Wow, Sales people get it REALLY wrong sometimes (4, Insightful)

DR SoB (749180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671530)

After reading this, it looks like they are marketing OO!! I mean, sure it doesn't have Clippy and all (more features) and it doesn't have an email client (umm, do we really need another anyways?), but personally, I _hate_ Clippy.

Why didn't they put the "System Requirements" of Office? I mean, if it's a comparison shouldn't you put some sort of "comparison" information somewhere? That alone would show that OO is multi-platform, a HUGE benefit for most business..

The open-source community should be using this paper to hype OO, IMHO it does a great job!

Open Office is "good enough" (5, Interesting)

L-Train8 (70991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671533)

This quote made me stop:
I only need basic features. OpenOffice is good enough."
In today's networked, highly collaborative world, businesses do not operate in a vacuum; basic feature functionality that enables content authoring is only one small aspect of what a small business needs.


It reminded me of an incident that happened several years ago. I was working at a company with close ties to Microsoft when the "I Love You" virus struck. Both Microsoft and our company were hit hard by it. A couple days after the messy cleanup, I sent a Word doc to a Microsoft employee. It was a form we used often and it had a macro that allowed the recipient to fill in some check boxes.

I got a nasty reply from the microsoft employee about how it was irresponsible to send word docs with macros in this time of virus vulnerability. Since then, I have used as few of the gimmicky features that MS Office supplies. They don't add much to your documents, and they set you up for virus and incompatibility problems. Only using basic features isn't something you should settle for, it is a good rule to follow to avoid lots of nasty problems.

Migration cost is the biggest (5, Funny)

bratgrrl (197603) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671535)

M$ is right about one thing- migration is the most painful and expensive part. Unlike using M$ products, though, the pain stops afterwards.

Having an option is bad? (5, Insightful)

richmaine (128733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671540)

I was amused by the claim that OO was inferior because "if bugs [in OO] go unresolved, users have the option to resolve problems by...".

This apparently contrasts with MS Office, where if bugs go unresolved, users do not have any options.

Ok. I knew that, but I'm surprised that MS raised it as a point. :-)

British housewives can't tell the difference (1)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671543)

It's true!

Nine out of ten British housewives cannot tell MS Office from a dead crab!

Seriously, though, it does seem like the very fact that MS is paying attention to the open source stuff means a lot.

But you can't convince a British housewife of that.

Same old FUD as before (4, Insightful)

daveo0331 (469843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671545)

We've already discussed most of what's in this document. For example:

3. "OpenOffice 1.1 is an open source alternative." OpenOffice does not have a dedicated development or support team. Consequently, if bugs go unresolved, users have the option to resolve problems by scouring through numerous community sites and chat rooms.

MS has been saying things like this about OSS for years. Of course they don't mention what your options are if a bug in MS Office goes unresolved.

The number one reason NOT to use MS Office... (4, Insightful)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671546)

Too expensive, no useful additions in years.

I'm still using Office 97 on my Windows computer. It cost me about $70 when I got it, and it's functionally identical to the Office 2000 and Office XP that my university and workplace use. The additions in the last several iterations of Office have been of only niche usefullness, and you can usually get something to do that with 97 anyway.

At least with OO, I'm not asked to pay another $150 every year or two just to get a new font, or a new text overlay effect that I could do with the old one anyway.

Chech out the PDF Document Properties Summary (0, Redundant)

spectasaurus (415658) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671547)

Creator: QuarkXPress(tm) 4.11
Producer: Acrobat Distiller 4.05 for Macintosh

Hilarious.

Oh, the hypocrisy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671550)

Microsoft became the juggernaut that they are by selling a shitload of software that's just "good enough," and now they say that people shouldn't be satisfied with the "good enough" OO.org.

~Philly

Americans Wake up (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671554)


Especially you Americans that vote for democrats. The EU is chock full of communist/socialists/fascists that hate

freedom. They hate America and all it stands for. May day is almost a EU holiday over there. Look at the millions

of communist idiots that celebrate it. John Kerry had to do a about face on these endorsements of foreign leaders

because he knows that a Chirac endorsement is a death nail in his candiacy. The vast majority of Americans realize

that the socialists in the EU cesspool are no friends to the United States. The EU will continue to suffocate from

the fascist socialists that make up the EU leadership.

Download it yourselves (1, Insightful)

lurwas (518856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671555)

Fortunatly, anyone can download OpenOffice and make their own judgement about it. I myself, prefer GNU Emacs :)

Spellcheck (3, Funny)

Student_Tech (66719) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671557)

The spell checker must not work on that doc (or they didn't use it or they have some strange settings)

"support rteam."

Maybe others, but that one was glaring @ me (it is right beneath the 3. OpenOffice 1.1 is an Open Source alternative)

Also what is this OpenOffice they refer to? I know of an OpenOffice.Org and they mention that "OpenOffice" is a trademark owned by someone else.

Support? (5, Insightful)

cabingirl (671963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671564)

OpenOffice does not have a dedicated development or support team. Consequently, if bugs go unresolved, users have the option to resolve problems by scouring through numerous community sites and chat rooms.

I guess they've never tried to resolve an MS issue as a lowly home user, slogging through the MS "knowledge base". I usually end up Googling for answers to my MS Office questions.

The best part... (3, Funny)

Bishop, Martin (695163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671566)

The best part has to be "with an R&D budget of over $4.8 billion, Office is a core Microsoft business."

$4.8 billion, and it's not up to par, IMO, with OpenOffice

OpenOffice.org? (0, Insightful)

Jonathan C. Patschke (8016) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671568)

This is amazingly petty of me, but I can't stomach using OpenOffice since they changed the name of the software to "OpenOffice.org". What, was "OpenOffice" not getting the point across?

Sigh. I suppose I should at least be thankful that they didn't call the individual components calc.openoffice.org, writer.openoffice.org, and so on.

However, pettiness aside, to the uneducated, the ".org" at the end is thoroughly confusing. Ever tried recommending it to someone? "Hey, you should switch from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice.org!" "Oh, you mean I can create my spreadsheets on the web?"

Perhaps if they spent more time making it less resource-intensive than Microsoft Office, it might actually be a contender. For now, I'll stick with Microsoft Office on my Mac when I have to use it, and LaTeX otherwise. PDFs for everybody!

And the winner is... (1)

blogboy (638908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671570)

...whoever has the best marketing.

Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671581)

Wouldn't they want to distribute this comparison in .doc format instead of a pdf?

Thanx MS For Clearing That Up (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671583)

I was so confused but now I see the light, thanx Microsoft. I didn't realize that I needed to spend $500 bucks just to do basic word processing at home. But you showed me otherwise.

My experience with OO.o (5, Interesting)

jfengel (409917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671585)

I just bought a new computer and chose to skip getting MS Office on it, so I have been experimenting with OO.

My results so far: in general, I prefer MS Office. Perhaps it's just because I'm more familiar with its eccentricities, but I find many things about OO annoying.

I can't map functions to ALT keys, and the relatively simply "switch to style X" involves setting up a macro before I can bind it to a key.

It took me a long time to get section numbering right. Eventually it did work, but the vast array of options confused me and tweaking them introduced subtle problems of their own.

OO doesn't have book-style figure layout. (Neither does MSO.) Drawing is not easy, and not well integrated.

This is not an evaluation; this is just the list of things I wanted to do on day one that pissed me off. MS Office has its own problems, and many of those persist for version after version. But the devil I know is better than the devil I don't when all I want to do is get some work done.

I assume OO.o will get better, and I'm going to keep using OO.o to see what happens as I get more familiar with it. I sure can't beat the price.

"Intelligent" Help agent? (1)

muskr (105370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671588)

At least OpenOffice doesn't come with that F'ing paperclip!

buying e-mail client ??? (4, Insightful)

S3D (745318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671589)

customer may incur a
licensing cost associated with buyng an e-mail application
Hmm, is Mozilla still free ?

The other way round? (2, Interesting)

fembots (753724) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671591)

I believe this is just MS's marketing at work, we have probably seen those advertisements about XXX potatoe chips are 97% fat free, and 3% healthier than other competitors, but how many consumers really go to find out if it's true? and if it is, how things are compared? since number/percentage can easily be tweaked to your advantage.

However, my real question is, does OO.org already have a similar Competitive Guide Why people should use OO.org?

Open Source users 'in the know' probably can understand the benefits in the sleep, but how many average MS-only users? Bashing MS isn't always as effective as praising the alternative.

"If bugs go unresolved" (0)

commonloon (543695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671601)

"Consequently, if bugs go unresolved, users have the option to resolve problems by scouring through numerous community sites and chat rooms."

A current MS user might ask:

"You mean if instead of waiting months for a bug to be resolved, I can just logon and probably get a answer?! Shoot, otherwise, I might have to wait a few days"

Now that is definitely something a user would *not* want!!

Creator: QuarkXPress(tm) 4.11 (1)

anandpur (303114) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671603)

Am I the only one to notic:
looks like someone is using Mac to produce good document to publish

Creator: QuarkXPress(tm) 4.11
Producer: Acrobat Distiller 4.05 for Macintosh

Microsoft Sweating over Office? (3, Insightful)

jxa00++ (322387) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671614)

Definetly.

From a developer's perspective, over the last year they have pushing Office 2003 down our (mainly MS based shop) throats. I can't rememeber how many free courses I have both declined and been to - all evangelising using a component of Office as part of the front end. (Not mention to all the free cd's of Office for us.)

Not a bad strategy - get the developers to build their apps requiring a cool little widget in Office 2003 so the customer HAS to upgrade to the latest version to use the app.

Thanks, but no thanks our customers are not keen when Office 97, Star or Open Office is fine for their needs.

Bah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8671615)

Why all the support for bloated word processors? Plain text with Vi or your favorite text editor seems to be the better choice. And if you want fancy graphics and formatting, just write it in HTML.

There's only one really good reason to use Office- (4, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8671617)

The golden rule...he who has the gold rules.

If someone is giving you money (employer or client) and they demand that you give them Office files (.doc, .xls, .mdb), you have to be able to provide them. They don't want to hear "well .rtf blah blah conversion blah". They use Office and they're giving you money, so they call the shots. An internal debate between open-source principals and cash is a short one.

-B
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