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GBA-Based Classic NES Series Confirmed For States

simoniker posted about 10 years ago | from the jig-of-victory dept.

NES (Games) 78

Thanks to IGN for its article revealing that Nintendo has confirmed their Game Boy Advance-based classic NES conversions for U.S. release on June 7th. According to the article: "The collection [already released in Japan as the Famicom Mini Series] will be called [the] Classic NES Series, and will begin as a limited edition NES Game Boy Advance SP as well as a line-up of eight classic games", with the specific titles being Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros., Excitebike, Ice Climber, Xevious, and Bomberman. The piece also notes: "Each game in the series will be priced at $19.99, and will be packaged in a standard Game Boy Advance box featuring the classic artwork of the original game."

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All right! (2, Funny)

josh glaser (748297) | about 10 years ago | (#8686936)

With any luck, we'll get that NES controller seat cushion too. ;-)

Yes, I know replying to your own post is stupid... (1, Insightful)

josh glaser (748297) | about 10 years ago | (#8686977)

..but I got FP, so I'm above the law.

Anyways, click on the article (I wish I that went without saying) to see the rad retro boxart and the special GBA SP. I was pumped for it, and I'm glad it won't be as rare as the Famicom one, but it's just kinda...ugly. Rumor has it that Nintendo is coming out with new SP colors, though. I'm holding out for yellow ;-)

$20 does seem a bit steep for a NES game, though. I mean, you could get Card-E versions of some NES games for $5 a pop. I'll still end up buying them all...sigh...

Re:Yes, I know replying to your own post is stupid (1)

bluemeep (669505) | about 10 years ago | (#8687440)

I thought it looked pretty cool, actually. Then again, I'm an absolute fiend for almost anything NES; I'd probably even wear a Power Glove, if it were socially acceptable. It'd match my watch [hottopic.com]!

Oh my god (1)

elasticwings (758452) | about 10 years ago | (#8686949)

Please please please, make a portable version of Super Dodge Ball. That game freaking rules.

Thanks! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8686976)

Oh, yes! Please, PLEASE give me the honor of paying $20 each for a bunch of 10 year old games that cost a dollar in their original format and/or can be played for free on an emulator (even a portable PDA emu!)! As a Nintendo sh33p, I will gladly pay you over and over again for the same re-hashed games!

Re:Thanks! (2, Insightful)

consolidatedbord (689996) | about 10 years ago | (#8688054)

Hey asshat, show some respect. These Nintendo titles have been around for almost 20 years, quite a few more than 10. If you really loved Nintendo, and the game developers, than you wouldn't download all of your games and play them for free, you would show some support and actually pay for them. A lot of this is the "nostalgia effect," so yes, playing the "same re-hashed games" is badass. This idea is awesome. I really think that this is a smart step. It isn't "super cool" to play games like "Super Mario Brothers" anymore, but this will get a lot of people interested in them more. That is a part of being a big corporation; you gotta make something for everyone. It isn't quite backwards compatability like you have with GBA being able to play older GB titles, or PS2 being able to play PS1 games, but it's as close as you can get, and is pretty cool that they would be willing to resurrect some of the older titles to make some of us more "simple" gamers happy. :)

Re:Thanks! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688400)

I think what the grandparent fails to understand is that not every Nintendo player buys every version of every game available. If someone missed a game in a past generation, here it is for the current platform. Nice. After all, nobody's forcing you to buy this stuff. The fact that re-releases sell AT ALL means that a market demand is being filled.

And let's not forget younger generations. I got my nephew (10) a GameCube for his birthday, and honestly, the first game he ripped into was BeyBlade, from his older brother. But over the next few weeks, it was the Zelda Collector's Disc that came with his Cube that had his full gaming attention, even after getting NFSU for himself with the rest of his birthday money. The classics have their market, whether or not some among us are part of it. Thankfully, there are still kids being born whose recognition of substance over style borders on transcendental. :)

Cue The Complaints... (4, Insightful)

shadowcabbit (466253) | about 10 years ago | (#8687004)

I'm all for a re-release of the classics-- especially the original Legend of Zelda (stupid save batteries dying... grr...)-- but I am also very much of the opinion that $20 per game is WAY overpriced. Fortunately for me I still have my e-reader and copies of DK, Excitebike, and Ice Climber, and I also picked up Pac-Man Collection a few months back for $10... let's see, $30 for the e-reader, $15 for the card sets, and $10 for Pac-Man is $55 for eight games (Pac-Man Collection has four games on the cart, and the e-reader bundle I bought had DK Jr.) We're looking at a little over $7 per game. I'd find that to be a fair price... but then again, let's assume that $15 is the absolute lowest a "new" GBA game can be and set the price to that. I'd buy Zelda for $15; maybe Xevious, too. Never got a chance to play it. So the question is then what extra goodies and incentives will Nintendo offer for US gamers?

This post differs from the similar troll post below from the anonymous coward in that, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not being a total asswipe about my complaint. Please moderate accordingly.

Re:Cue The Complaints... (2, Informative)

Johnny2Bags (713404) | about 10 years ago | (#8687574)

I agree that $20 is totally too much. They were just recently *giving* away the classic Zeldas for free with new GameCubes (or two game purchase).

There's manufacturing overhead costs of course, and with each game being packaged seperately they can't sell them too cheap. They should of done a bundle package, even if not all 8 on one cartridge they could of done 4 and 4.

I don't have a GBA yet, I am almost on the verge of buying the Game Boy Player that attaches to the bottom of the GameCube. As I understand the e-reader does work with this setup as well, but come-on it's not sexy looking at all.

Re:Cue The Complaints... (2, Informative)

Troed (102527) | about 10 years ago | (#8688227)

You hardly notice the GB Player once it sits under the cube .. I don't anyway.

Come to think of it, time to boot it up and finish Metroid Fusion before Zero Mission appears in Europe ...

(It's amazing that a game written for the small screen of the GBA actually _works_ when displayed on a 110" projector screen)


Re:Cue The Complaints... (3, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 10 years ago | (#8687936)

Yeah, these aren't Metroid: Zero Mission.

These should be, like, all on one cartridge.

Imagine an "NES Sports" GBA cart, with Excitebike, Ice Hockey, Tennis, maybe even something later like NES Play Action Football... easily worth full price.

Then maybe an "NES Adventures" with Zelda and some others. You know, group a bunch of NES games together in that vein. Those would be the must-have GBA carts of the year.

See, this is why Nintendo is less than loved (at least as loved as they could be). They could take a very profitable yet consumer friendly approach, but they opt for the "fuck the customer" approach instead. A bit less customer screwing would certainly breed more brand loyalty in me. I just don't really feel compelled to jump on Nintendo stuff immediately - I pick up a lot of stuff second-hand, after the fact.

Petition failures (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8687954)

"They could take a very profitable yet consumer friendly approach, but they opt for the "fuck the customer" approach instead."

This is why companies don't listen to people on Slashdot. Before companies started doing this, we all whined about how companies weren't making classic games available. We all had to pirate them and emulate them... we had no option. Poor us.

"Windwaker to be cel-shaded," we whined. "I'd rather the original Zelda any day, but they won't sell it to me!"

Now Nintendo is offering its old games in a variety of formats. What happens? More whining. First, we whine that it's only releasing them in Japan. "Bring them stateside!"

Now they bring it stateside. "They aren't selling it cheap enough," we whine. "They should be bundling more together," we whine. And worst of all, "they already gave this to us free!"

Horrible profiteers, yes, absolutely. They gave us four Zelda adventures essentially free, and now they dare to offer us a portable version for a small price on a console we're actually likely to own.

a similar problem exists for open source advocates. "Every company should give us Linux driverS!" So they give us Linux drivers. "But the Linux drivers aren't open source!"

It's never enough on here.

Re:Petition failures (5, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 10 years ago | (#8688111)

If you don't see a problem in trying to sell games that are as much as 15 years old at near full price (for GBA games) with a straight face... well, something's wrong.

And in case you're not ousted for a fool yet, your logic falls apart when I point out that nobody's complaining about the collections of Atari or Activision or Intellivision games - which usually bundle anywhere from 5 to 20 games for about $20. Not one game.

Those collections are doing it right. No complaints. Nintendo is not. Complaints.

Can you wrap your brain around that?

Re:Petition failures (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688382)

I have a couple of problems with this attitude. First, $20 is not "near full price." It's 33% less than full price. That's about as low as "new in box" GBA carts go.

Second, I'm not sure why you think a game should automatically be worth less in 15 years. The gameplay is still good. The graphics have aged, but they get the job done. The original Legend of Zelda is a much larger game than, say, the latest Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen adventure. Super Mario Bros. will take a gamer who hasn't played it far longer to complete than almost any new platformer. It's hard!

So where's the lost value? Should Casablanca automatically be less just because it's old? North by Northwest is a less valuable film experience than Road Trip?

Third, and most of all, you're thinking about this from the perspective of someone who has played the original Zelda, or so I assume. If you haven't played the original Zelda... you don't know what you're talking about.

As someone who's played it, you're thinking about how much you think is reasonable to play it again. How much is reasonable to play it the first time? What about SMB, which hasn't been available in full-screen form since the SNES?

If you were picking up a game for your kids, would you buy Daredevil [gamespot.com], new at $19.99, or would you buy Zelda? Which is a better value on the store shelves?

See, the market isn't just about you. It's about everyone. These games are being published for the first time in many years. Nintendo hasn't been cashing in on them with every system generation, or even every other. They were republished in Japan first because Nintendo knows the Japanese consider these a fine value. They were brought over here because of a great deal of interest, many complaints and such.

If you don't want the games, fine. If you want to complain, fine, it's your right. But bear it in mind the next time something you want gets cancelled, and you're making noise in public. Your complaints don't count for a piss in the wind, not because Nintendo is a filthy evil greedy corporation milking the community, but because the nutters cancel each other out.

For each of us nutters who longs for Sam and Max 2, there are dozens of people who will savage the game for its 3-D look if a petition saves it. For each of you who thinks LOZ isn't worth $20, there are dozens who do. Nintendo does real market research instead...

So I suggest you take a deep breath, relax, and buy the games pre-played at $11.99 a year from now with trade-in credit.

Re:Petition failures (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688464)

But Nintendo, being Nintendo and not Atari, Activision, or Intellivision, can sell these games at $20 each, and people will buy them. Can you wrap your brain around THAT?

Besides, these releases are derived from the Famicom re-releases Japan saw a few months ago. That campaign was clearly marketed towards collectors, and packaging is one thing that collectors live and die for. Individual game re-release in original-style packaging = perceivably collectible and cool. Multi-pack of "old" games = dime a dozen. After all, when was the last time any of those game compilations from other publishers got half the attention that this simple campaign has already produced, both here and in Japan? Realize: If Atari COULD pull $20 for Yar's Revenge on its own, wouldn't they? If not, would that be because they are altruists worthy of your respect (please....), or because they are incompetent marketers for not captializing on the opportunity?

Don't get me wrong, it'd be convenient for me as a customer to have a bunch of games on a single cart. On the other hand, I think it wil be very cool, on a non-practical level, to have a GBA cart with the original Legend of Zelda on it, by itself. If nothing else, such marketing increases perceived value, which is a side-effect to which I'm sure Nintendo has no objections.

(BTW, please don't be such a git when you reply to fairly friendly posts with valid points. You only invite more of the same kind of abrasiveness upon yourself, needlessly. I was not the original poster, but I can see no point in his post where he insulted you directly or attempted to "oust YOU for a fool.")

Re:Petition failures (2, Insightful)

Lobo42 (723131) | about 10 years ago | (#8689495)

If you don't see a problem in trying to sell games that are as much as 15 years old at near full price (for GBA games) with a straight face... well, something's wrong.

Dude, no one's holding a gun to your head and FORCING you to buy them. It's called free-market economics, and it means that things are priced based on what a SELLER is willing to give it up for and a BUYER is willing to pay. Nintendo owns these games, they sold them once at $60 a pop on the NES, some of them once again as e-Reader cards or special collections (Zelda Disc, Mario All-Stars), and now they're providing them once again in a portable format for yet another price. If you still feel the price is too high, you can simply refrain from buying them and wait for the price to drop yet again.

As for the collections from other companies, charging any more than $20 would probably lead to a price that NO ONE WOULD BUY, because their games, sadly, don't have the brand recognition that Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong has. (Or even that the company Nintendo has.) All these companies are simply selling at what the market will bear, and none of them are forcing you to buy them, they're simply providing a means to do so for those that missed out on these titles in the 80's, or would like a portable version now.

Re:Petition failures (2, Informative)

scot4875 (542869) | about 10 years ago | (#8690608)

your logic falls apart when I point out that nobody's complaining about the [$20] collections of Atari or Activision or Intellivision games

And your logic falls apart when I point out that these things sold extremely well in Japan, outrageous price and all.


Re:Petition failures (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 10 years ago | (#8691000)

>> And your logic falls apart when I point out that these things sold extremely well in Japan, outrageous price and all.

Yeah, because any game that sells well in Japan sells well here. Like dating sims. Oops....

Re:Petition failures (1)

DarkZero (516460) | about 10 years ago | (#8689869)

"Windwaker to be cel-shaded," we whined. "I'd rather the original Zelda any day, but they won't sell it to me!"

Now Nintendo is offering its old games in a variety of formats. What happens? More whining. First, we whine that it's only releasing them in Japan. "Bring them stateside!"

Now they bring it stateside. "They aren't selling it cheap enough," we whine. "They should be bundling more together," we whine. And worst of all, "they already gave this to us free!"

Please do not make the mistake of thinking that all English-speaking gamers are some sort of multi-headed squealing beast that changes its mind every few minutes. Many people asked for these rereleases and now many people are complaining about the price, but they aren't necessarily the same people. The community of English-speaking gamers is one of millions, not a handful, and even just Slashdot Games probably has hundreds or more.

Re:Cue The Complaints... (1)

blincoln (592401) | about 10 years ago | (#8688026)

These should be, like, all on one cartridge.

No kidding.

If I can get All four of the NES and SNES Zelda games on a single Gamecube disc for $20 [nintendo.com], how can they sell individual NES games for $20 each and keep a straight face?

Re:Cue The Complaints... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688070)

Link To The Past is NOT on that Zelda disc...

Re:Cue The Complaints... (1)

blincoln (592401) | about 10 years ago | (#8688082)

Link To The Past is NOT on that Zelda disc...

Yeah, I realized after I posted that when I typed "SNES" I meant "N64."

Fortunately LTTP is available as a GBA cartridge.

Re:Cue The Complaints... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8696795)

Imagine an "NES Sports" GBA cart, with Excitebike, Ice Hockey, Tennis, maybe even something later like NES Play Action Football... easily worth full price.
pfft, i wouldn't buy an nes sports cart that didn't have blades of steel

Re:Cue The Complaints... (1)

Goyuix (698012) | about 10 years ago | (#8689303)

Yes, but - will you actually be able to save your custom track in Excitebike?

Emulation, possible extensibility? (2, Interesting)

tblease (721199) | about 10 years ago | (#8687037)

Nintendo will release eight games for starters, all accurately emulating the NES games...

If they're actually using their own emulator to run the old ROM data for these old games, I wonder how hard it would be (if at all possible) to 'modify' one of the game cartridges to run other NES ROMs.

I dont own a GB, but I'd consider owning one if I could relive my addiction of the original Metroid.

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (2, Informative)

Black Hitler (687112) | about 10 years ago | (#8687063)

All the e-Reader NES games have used an emulator and as far as I know nobody has managed to "separate" the emulator from the ROMs. Not that it matters sicne there's already very good NES emulators available for the GBA.

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (3, Informative)

josh glaser (748297) | about 10 years ago | (#8687065)

Buy Metroid Zero Mission. It's a GBA remake of the NES version. Perhaps best of all, you can unlock the actual NES game. In related news, GBA SPs are *only* $99 ;-)

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (2, Interesting)

BexGu (677212) | about 10 years ago | (#8687264)

Actually, this leads me to an interesting legal question. If I own the original NES carts to the games being re-released (and I do) does this mean I can legally use a gba NES emulator and dump the re-released NES game onto a single flash rom cart?

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (1)

toast0 (63707) | about 10 years ago | (#8690732)

That depends on who you ask. Nintendo says no, but I don't know of any court decisions that discuss the legality of such a thing.

In any event, it would be of about the same legality as running the game in a emulator on your computer, albeit you have to consider the emulation patent that nintendo was granted recently.

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (1)

GoRK (10018) | about 10 years ago | (#8687686)

Or get yourself a flash cart and PocketNES. PocketNES is the one and only reason I bought a GBA.

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 10 years ago | (#8695647)

I've seen the GameCube NES emulator extracted from the Zelda Collector's disc. It runs games either perfectly or not at all.

The hard part of NES emulation is the custom chips in the cartridge. The NES could only address 64k of ROM. To get more than that, you had to put an extra chip in the cartridge that would switch memory banks, kinda like expanded memory in the 8086 days.

Just about every company had their own custom chip to do that, if not multiple chips. Odds are Nintendo's emulator only supports the chips they actually used.

Re:Emulation, possible extensibility? (1)

brotherscrim (617899) | about 10 years ago | (#8717946)

Play and beat Metroid: Zero Mission. If that doesn't cure your addiction, the original Metroid becomes playable after you beat Zero.

20 Bucks? (5, Insightful)

redfiveneo (692968) | about 10 years ago | (#8687040)

I would buy all 8 for $20... The prices are a bit steep.

And they didn't include Punch-Out!....

Re:20 Bucks? (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 10 years ago | (#8687886)

I would buy all 8 for $20... The prices are a bit steep.

And they didn't include Punch-Out!....

Good. Because if it's not Mike Tyson's Punch Out!!, then it's wrong.

"Mr. Dream".... pshh, crap!

Re:20 Bucks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688589)

The theory going is that they are using an emulator to run these games. Maybe they have they're own custom emu but if they've gone with one of the one already out there, I dont think punch-out can be emulated well enough.

I tried putting all my old carts (including tysons punch out) onto a gba flash card with pocketNES (v0.7 i think) some worked well (zelda, tecmo bowl, final fantasy) but punch out was unplayable

Re:20 Bucks? (2, Informative)

Quietust (205670) | about 10 years ago | (#8694536)

And they didn't include Punch-Out!...
The trouble is, [Mike Tyson's] Punch-Out!! uses a rather peculiar memory mapper (the Nintendo MMC2), one that takes a lot of extra processor power to emulate properly (each time it renders one of two particular background/sprite tiles, it needs to *immediately* switch to a different set of character data). Properly emulating the MMC2 would likely not be easy on a system as slow as the GBA, so they probably gave up on Punch-Out!! (the *only* game to use the MMC2).

Or just buy an original NES... or maybe not. (4, Interesting)

2Flower (216318) | about 10 years ago | (#8687349)

I gots me a hankering for the classics one day, and went on a crazed eBay spending spree. Got an NES and a bunch of good titles: Contra, Mario 3, Zelda, Ice Climbers, etc. Nothing beats the original hardware playing the original games on the original controllers...

Except that I can't get the blasted thing to work. It's got Grey Blinky Syndrome, a common ailment because the pin connectors are too lose... I cleaned my carts and got a shiny new 72-pin connector, but after installing it, now the thing's got a vice-like grip on my carts to the point where a grown man can't pull them out without yanking the 72-pin free. Agh.

A) Anybody got any suggestions?
B) Maybe getting them emulated on your GBA isn't such a crazy idea...

Re:Or just buy an original NES... or maybe not. (2, Informative)

Stubtify (610318) | about 10 years ago | (#8687998)

Well I hafta let you know the following always worked back in the day:

1) Blow in the cart, that long high pitched blow where you start at the top of the cart and move down vertically to the bottom.

2)When the cart is in the NES, push it a little to the left, try the power. Then try pushing it a little to the right, power on, then nudge it a little left or right of those and try that.

3)Last ditch effort: Jam another NES Game in on top of the other NES game over the metal bar holding the game down. Used to work for all the kids on the block back in the day. Course your NES might just be dead.

Re:Or just buy an original NES... or maybe not. (4, Informative)

redled (10595) | about 10 years ago | (#8688028)

A few suggestions:

1) Use a fine grit sand paper to clean the contacts on the games as well as the pin connector

2)(This is for other readers, I guess). You don't need to buy a new connector. Take your nes apart, and use a small screwdriver to pry all the pins up slightly.

3) Use a game genie. It's a tighter fit, and usually solves the problem (you don't have to use the codes if you don't want to). This might be a good solution for you since you can leave it plugged into the nes always, instead of pulling out your pin connector trying to remove it. It's ugly because it sticks out though

4) Find one of those rare top-loading nes machines.

5) Find one of those ultra-rare arcade nes machines

Re:Or just buy an original NES... or maybe not. (2, Informative)

cgenman (325138) | about 10 years ago | (#8688047)

Get a top-loading NES [ebay.com]. They were solidly built and basically blinkey-free.

You can also get a new NES out of China, if you can find one of the myriad [planetnintendo.com] of clones [nesworld.com]. They generally have better connecters than the original, and are still being produced new to this day.

The NES is a system that really needs to be played in hardware, not emulated. Ironically, it was it's relative simplicity that made games focus on the physical interaction aspect... something that just doesn't come across as well with the computer's lag.

For your specific problem, if you don't want to buy a new system, just jimmy the new connector until it is sufficiently loose. Go slowly but surely, and it will eventually loosen up. A friend of mine had a tight grip system when he first replaced his connector. While it didn't have the grip of death of yours it was quite tight, but has worn down to being simply sufficient.

Re:Or just buy an original NES... or maybe not. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 10 years ago | (#8690282)

I used to have two top-loading NESes, now I have none and I emulate on Xbox but I don't do it much anyhow. Anyway I forced a Game Genie into one of them (I understand that some versions go in easier than others, I used my foot to press mine in) and then I'd swap the rf and power between the two units when I wanted to use the game genie or not. I got them at the flea market in santa cruz, ca, usa.

a joke? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8687487)

not to troll, but this seems a little fishy. not the fact that they are being released, but the quote from kaplin. she is always well spoken, and that quote is out of character. plus the box art is off. take a good look at that dk box. since when is luigi taking on dk?

i need not remind you all that april 1st is comming up. this isn't quite as fishy to me as the ati radeon 9500 built for ascii gaming, but there are inconsistancies.

Re:a joke? (3, Informative)

DarkZero (516460) | about 10 years ago | (#8687576)

not to troll, but this seems a little fishy. not the fact that they are being released, but the quote from kaplin. she is always well spoken, and that quote is out of character. plus the box art is off. take a good look at that dk box. since when is luigi taking on dk?

I believe that Perrin Kaplin was simply making a joke, using lame '80s slang to kick off their new retro release. This either soared far over the head of the IGN writer or they simply forgot to point out the joke.

Would be worth it if (0)

TechniMyoko (670009) | about 10 years ago | (#8687527)

All of them were on one cart, hell full price would still be worth it.

Maybe add some mini rpg mode taking place in an arcade to unlock a few others

Bastards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8687540)

No Star Soldier? That was the only game out of the collection I really wanted!

Now, on another note, these re-releases are capable of wireless multiplayer if you have the WiFi adapter distributed with the next Pokemon games.

PocketNES (3, Informative)

triiiple (643933) | about 10 years ago | (#8687548)

What about PocketNES? [pocketnes.org] It's not "official Nintendo" stuff, but it works. Ok, not all games - here's the compatibility list [pocketnes.org], anything tagged [P] is good to go. And, yes, you do need the ROMs, PocketNES won't provide them for you... But that what we have the Internet^W backups at home for!

That's a bit too steep (3, Interesting)

Mupp252 (263650) | about 10 years ago | (#8687584)

If they were polished versions of the games (ala Metroid: Zero Mission.. I'm too lazy to link) I'd be more then happy to shell out the $20. Hell, I'd shell out full GBA price for that.

Until that happens I'll be just as satisfied with Zelda on my emulator. (I own the original copy so don't hound me out.)

Re:That's a bit too steep (1)

Duty (731705) | about 10 years ago | (#8687989)

If you want polished, why not play the "BS Zelda" version for SNES?

Looks like my concept image :-) (1)

jensen404 (717086) | about 10 years ago | (#8687666)

My concept image from March 3rd: http://webpages.charter.net/shadowfax1/nesgba2.jpg [charter.net]

The Nintendo image: http://pocketmedia.ign.com/pocket/image/nescollect ion_032604_000.jpg [ign.com]

I missed labeling the A and B buttons, but other than that, they look pretty similar. I like mine better though :-)

Re:Looks like my concept image :-) (1)

fafaforza (248976) | about 10 years ago | (#8688910)

My Apple PowerBook laptop got a chip on the wrist rest, so to prevent it from getting larger, I covered both rests with electrical tape. Did a damn good job of it, too, and my PB looks a lot like these NES GameBoys.

Europe (3, Insightful)

Vexware (720793) | about 10 years ago | (#8688024)

This Game Boy Advance Famicon/NES with NES games package has first of all been released in Japan, which I read the said series would be exclusive in, and it is now America which is granted with its release. I truely hope Nintendo seriously consider releasing it on the European market, as over here, it would sell like hot buns. Why is the European gaming market always the last one considered when a game is released? On the Nintendo France forums, people are crying and even writing petitions to have Baten Kaitos and Naruto (also Animal Crossing, which is not planned to be released in France) sold over here. There is a real gaming public over here and for some reason, it does not seem to be taken seriously, at all: in the majority of cases, we are always the last to get a bite on the good games; a number of awesome video games products and gimmicks stay exclusive to Japan, when I am sure that they would be a real success here.

Of course, there is the difference in culture, which I know plays the main role in this game of releases and exclusivities. Whereas in the 'land of the rising sun', video gaming has become a cult phenomenom, a true subculture, to the point of having been banalized, here in Europe we seem to have been somewhat "late" in on the market, or so that is what it looks like. Japan has known a real growth in the technology market and America is not far off (if not on a par with) the Japanese technology market, but this does not mean Europe is not ready to be the host to new kinds of technology, which seems to be the constructors' perception of the situation. Their is a real and serious gaming audience in Europe and one that could be of profit, which is, let's not forget, why companies sell games. How could they not understand us being frustrated on being left out on some products which we will never get our hands on excepted in the pages of our favorite magazine? The culture difference is a big factor in this game, as you can notice if you compare the prices of games in Japan to those of the same games in Europe, but I am pretty sure that one can affirm that Europe is ready for the new games and gimmicks, and that there is a public here which can be taken seriously.

Now don't get me wrong, I never said we would want all Japanese releases over here, become some are seriously quite dodgy (what's with the manga whorehouse puzzle games?), but some have true appeal over here and not only to an "elitist" bunch of gamers, but also to a genuine and expanding public which is ready to hand over the cash to get these gems. The best I can hope for is one of the major Japanese companies of the industry seeing the potential of this market; I am conscious this is something which shall not happen overnight, let alone happen at all perhaps, but we over here need to be seen as gamers now, and not only as 'hobbyists'. Whoever knows, maybe one day video games will be as banalized over here as they are in Japan, but as long as the European public is not seen as a serious one, that will not happen... Though will it ever?

Re:Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688323)

Are you not aware that Europe, and France particularly, regularly gets games that are never released in the USA?

Like just about every Dragon Ball Z game on the SNES, for example...

Or Tenchi Souzou (released in Europe as "Terranigma", never released in the USA).

Besides, you can obviously read English... why not import from America? It's not like it's hard, and if you buy from a Canadian store you'll probably get French documentation with it.

Re:Europe (1)

Vexware (720793) | about 10 years ago | (#8688412)

Well, to say the truth, I was aware that certain Japanese games were not released in the USA but unaware that certain games got released in Europe and not in the USA; but I must say that I was specifically talking about the Japan/Europe example. If you look at the Europe/USA example, then I think it's once again a case of the "stereotypic" culture clash I was talking about (i.e. publishers thinking certain markets are not ready or suited to certain games, as I said in my comment).

About importing games from America or Canada, I must point out that though I live in France, I am fully bilingual so the language of the game documentation would not be what bothers me. What would bother me is the steps I beleive are needed to properly play import games. I don't know much about importing, but since I own a PAL console and the American standard is NTSC (I think so, at least), wouldn't I need a chip of some kind? Aren't import games dearer? And most importantly, is that all legal?

Re:Europe (1)

toast0 (63707) | about 10 years ago | (#8690826)

To my knowledge, the game boy systems have no region coding, so there would be no issue there. For other systems, you would tend to need a boot disk, or a modchip to play out of region games. From what I hear, a lot of tv's sold in the PAL region can accept NTSC signals, so you have a good chance of being ok.

As long as you pay your import taxes, you should be fine on legality as well. There are some high profile companies are built on games import/export, and they don't get in trouble for it.

You might want to check out Lik-Sang, they've got some operations in the EU, which will probably be convenient in terms of shipping and taxes.

Easy Explanation (4, Insightful)

Syncdata (596941) | about 10 years ago | (#8689659)

Japan gets the games first, because the japanese companies code it with Japanese text.
The US market gets it next, because we're a large market which only speaks one language (theoretically).
You get games last, because they have to be localized in several languages, plus you have a different TV standard (not applicable in the case of GBA games).
Why is animal crossing probably not going to make it over there? I don't think that it sold that well in the US, and given the sheer ammount of text that needs to be translated into french/spanish/german/Italian, NOJ probably won't release it.
In short, Europe gets games last, or not at all, because the number of languages spoken on the continent fragments the available market for each translation of the game. More effort, less reward.

Re:Easy Explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8691231)

Any game that gains "Player's Choice" classification sold well. A minimum number of units sold (higher than that for a Greatest Hit or Platinum Hit (especially) for the competition) is one of the criteria that must be met before a game gets re-released under Nintendo's value game re-release program.

Animal Crossing hit Player's Choice months ago.

This seals it for me. (1)

Lemental (719730) | about 10 years ago | (#8688313)

Nintendo is crazy. They have the worlds most advanced handheld, and they continue to pump out older game titles on it, and, expect us to pay 20 to 40 US dollars for it. I dont see the logic in it anymore. I am through waving their flag. They can go down without me.

Re:This seals it for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8688528)

Hahahaha, breakdown of a fanboy.

Hint, buddy: You are not expected to pay anything. Those who want to play these games on the GBA are expected to pay $20 per game.

So simple.

Your sour grapes is akin to someone throwing his Sony DVD player out the window because the Sony Columbia movies released in the previous month were not to his liking.

Just remember, every dollar that a nostalgic gamer spends on a Nintendo re-release subsidizes development costs on the next Zelda, or hardware R&D, or more new genres like Pikmin, or....

Re:This seals it for me. (1)

clu76 (620823) | about 10 years ago | (#8689423)

The logic is simple. People will pay good money for nostalgia. The development costs for releasing these games are close to nothing. Whether they sell a million or a handful, it makes perfect economic sense for Nintendo to do this. And it's not like new titles aren't being released for the system.

I'm sure there are people out there who are happy to see some older games released. I'm personally considering picking up Ice Climbers and Super Mario Bros.

Just a Thought (2, Informative)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | about 10 years ago | (#8688606)

From what I've heard, the main reason that the games are selling in Japan is as a collector's item. Why? The packaging and game carts themselves are reproductions of the originals. [the-magicbox.com] People have been buying them not because of the game itself, but because of the nostalgia value that comes with the presentation. Nintendo of Japan has acknowledged this, issuing a special (and collectible to boot) storage box to hold your games [ign.com]

Nintendo of America may have removed one of the biggest selling points of the series by using standard GBA packaging and carts. Americans won't pay $20 for these games, and the retro appeal that made the Japanese versions collectors items is gone.

Way to go, Nintendo.

Re:Just a Thought (1)

M3wThr33 (310489) | about 10 years ago | (#8690989)

Not only that, but they aren't releasing all the titles over here. Mappy Land and Mario Bros. aren't going to see the light of day.

Re:Just a Thought (1)

tktk (540564) | about 10 years ago | (#8691262)

Mario Bros? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't that the game that come with every Super Mario game for GBA? I think I've got 2 copies of it already and don't need to buy another version that comes alone.

Re:Just a Thought (1)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | about 10 years ago | (#8691782)

There was an arcade game by the name of Mario Brothers [gamefaqs.com] that's completely different than the Super Mario Brothers [gamefaqs.com] that was released for the NES.

Odds are you've played the arcade game...it's been on the cart with every one of the Mario GBA games, including Mario and Luigi. It was also included in Super Mario Brothers 3 for the NES - remember that spiffy little game you get when you select a spot that the second player is on?

Re:Just a Thought (1)

M3wThr33 (310489) | about 10 years ago | (#8701104)

Yeah, that's what he meant. Mario Bros. is basically a stripped-down uglier version of what's included in every SMA game.

Re:Just a Thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8691488)

What would you prefer? Would it take original NES game-sized packaging (styrofoam bottom padding, dust sleeve, plastic bag, and all) for you to get excited?

Besides, NES carts were normally gray. GBA carts are gray. There's no need to match the cart colors like in the Japanese releases. (Zelda might be nice to see in gold, but who am I kidding, I'll be buying my copy no matter what color the damn cart's going to be.)

Anyhow, I think you're way off the mark in suggesting that people aren't buying these to play them. I'd say that most are buying to play them, just as I think most people who buy these games in the U.S. wil be buying them to play them. I'll be lined up to grab at least 4-5 of the titles revealed so far, and maybe I'll buy the rest too for a complete set. $20 per, so what?

Re:Just a Thought (1)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | about 10 years ago | (#8691767)

GBA carts are actually black.

Re:Just a Thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8693039)

None of mine are, and I don't think any of yours should be either. They're dark gray.

Darker than NES cart color, but not enough that anyone should really care if Nintendo were to change the color of the re-releases.

Re:Just a Thought (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 10 years ago | (#8700519)

Cartridge Colors:
GameBoy - light gray
GameBoy/GameBoy Color - black
GameBoy Color - semi-transparent green
GameBoy Advance - dark gray

There's the odd exception that was a different color, but those are the standard colors.

All Stars (1)

MeddmaWamm (764231) | about 10 years ago | (#8694642)

It's 2004. In 1993 Nintendo released Super Mario All Stars. You would think you'd be paying less in 2004 for these games than in 1993. That is not the case! In 2004 Mario Bros. 2 and Mario Bros. 3 on GBA cost the same price ($60) as Mario Bros. 1, 2, 3 and Lost Levels in Mario All Stars did. You gotta love Nintendo.

Technical thought (1)

MBraynard (653724) | about 10 years ago | (#8700176)

I suspect that, if they wanted to, N could include maybe 30+ games on a single cartridge rather than making a single one for each classic game. Maybe you would be more willing to pay 20 if they stacked games onto the cats - EG having all 4-5 (?) Mario games on one, etc.

Wish list (1)

GrassMunk (677765) | about 10 years ago | (#8710181)

My wish list: Mike Tysons Punch Out Crystalis Doctor Mario. Almost makes me want to by a flashcart for my GBA. But the price aint right.
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