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George Mason University Speech Accent Archive

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the y'all-come-back-now,-hear? dept.

Education 191

JT Olds writes "Apparently George Mason University is running a project to document differences in speech and accents from different backgrounds and the like. They have a paragraph that 306 sample readers have read and recorded, and all of these sound files are categorized by background, gender, age, and other things. They say that this is primarily for teaching and learning, and is especially useful for any linguists out there, but I just thought it was cool. The sound bytes are released under the Creative Commons license. Of course, the Google cache of the main frame is here. As a side note, I did get the link to this from Penny Arcade's Jerry Holkins."

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191 comments

George Mason was a rampant fag. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694738)

He also molested me in a parking lot.

Home search without a warrant OK in Louisiana (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694861)

NEW ORLEANS -- It's a groundbreaking court decision [theneworleanschannel.com] that legal experts say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a brief search of your home or business.

--

And so it begins...

Re:Home search without a warrant OK in Louisiana (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695115)

I you havent done anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear.

Re:George Mason was a rampant fag. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695049)

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What??? (5, Funny)

pytsun (765818) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694740)

No cockney support? Insensitive clods...

Klingon (-1, Offtopic)

after (669640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694756)

They also forgot to have Klingon! Damn them! Damn them to heil! ... seriously, were the fuck is my damn Klingon? you insensitive clods!

Klingon warriers, mod parrent up.

Re:Klingon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694776)

you think the Klingon thing has been played out already?

Re:What??? (4, Funny)

phaze3000 (204500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694882)

Just wot I wos finkin geeza.. are they having a fucking giraffe or wot?

Groundskeeper Willie (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695291)

(scottish accent)
Ack! Me retirement grease!
(/scottish accent)

Massachusetts (2, Funny)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695476)

For doctors practicing in Boston:

Doc "Ok, open your mouth and say 'R'"

patient "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Doc "Good!"

George Mason (4, Funny)

dotwaffle (610149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694742)

It's nice they named a University after him, after all, he did save Jack Bauer's life by swapping seats on the plane with the nuke...

Re:George Mason (1)

Moonpie Madness (764217) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694987)

Dude, he was going to die anyway, and it's not how you die, but how you live, and that dude was a prick. and dude, its like, dude. I wonder if there was any bimbo-speak in the lingo program

Re: Vlad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694743)

The spoke's on JOO!

quicktime??? (-1, Offtopic)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694744)

I know this is a bit off-topic, but is there an easy way to get the Quicktime clips to play on my Linux box?

Re:quicktime??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694755)

The easiest way would be to reformat and install WinME. Trust me, you'll thank me later.

Taco

Re:quicktime??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694879)

use your built in real-movie player (don't forget the -rf option to resize frame.
example:
rm -rf /home/user
where /home/user is your home directory.
press enter and a numbered list of your movies will show up, then, just type in the number you want to watch.

Re:quicktime??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694885)

it doesn't work on my machine, where do i downloa

Re:quicktime??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695072)

No. Use a real OS.

Re:quicktime??? (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695146)

emerge xine-lib xine-ui

Obligatory paranoid ranting... -1, Redundant (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694746)

Imagine what if the Feds got hold of this database and used it to automate racial profiling? When will get our rights to privacy? I say let's unite to strike down this new evil.

8===D (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694758)

Suck it

IRC; afternet; #gamedev (5, Insightful)

after (669640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694748)

We were just talking about how the British English language was the true "natural" English language, all other derived languages that were English with an accent. For example, If I (a person who lives in America and speaks US English; no born American (thank goodness)) were to go to England and converse with an Englishman; who would have the accent, me or him? The obvious answer, as a lot of Americans fail to realize, is me.

Which British English? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694775)

Have you even been to the UK? There are a LOT of different accents there :)

Re:Which British English? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694785)

and every one as feminine as the next.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (3, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694783)

Yes but why is British english considered the true english? because England is the most important country in the world, or because english originates from there?

If you think it's the former, then since Britain isn't the great empire she once was, and is only just a regular country these days, then you could consider US english as being the "root" english language.

If you think it's the latter, then one could also consider than english, which is a normand anglo-saxon tongue, originated either from Saxony (in Germany) or Normandy (in France) and therefore is itself an accented version of these languages.

What I'm saying is, every language is the derivate of something else, it all depends on your point of view. And what's more, within the UK and the US, there are great variations of accents, so I'm not sure it means anything to say "british english is true english".

Perhaps if someone could come up with a "reasonable average" of the lingo, then that would be the true english...

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694796)

Perhaps if someone could come up with a "reasonable average" of the lingo, then that would be the true english...

Sylvester Stallone got English right. Let him be our definition of true English.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (5, Informative)

PacoTaco (577292) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694919)

english, which is a normand anglo-saxon tongue, originated either from Saxony (in Germany) or Normandy (in France) and therefore is itself an accented version of these languages.

Plus Latin (old and Renaissance) and a bunch of other stuff. Here's a nice chart [danshort.com] and some links for the curious.

Actually... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694786)

I believe the correct answer is both. Everyone has an accent. An accent is the part of speech which is neither specific to an individual or to the language. It varies by region, background, or time period. If you were to go back to the Old English days (there is no "single" English language as it has evolved over time) it is unlikely that anyone would understand you. The same for the Brits.

Maybe the question you meant was which is closer to "correct". If you consider correct to be closer to the root of the evolutionary language tree then the Brittish are probably closer since the Americans' language changed more quickly since the split.

Re:Actually... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694829)

If you went back to the Old English days it would not be your accent that would make it hard for people to understand you--but that Old English is a language that hardly resembles Modern English. Not only are there characters that are no longer used, but the language itself has a different basis than Middle English and Modern English does. I assume what you really meant to say is if the person went back in time to when people spoke Early Modern English.

Re:Actually... (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694865)

Maybe the question you meant was which is closer to "correct". If you consider correct to be closer to the root of the evolutionary language tree then the Brittish are probably closer since the Americans' language changed more quickly since the split.

Is that an assumption on your part? I thought it was the language in the satellite countries that changed the least. And the language in the original country that changed and evolved the most.

Re:Actually... (2, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695311)

I thought it was the language in the satellite countries that changed the least. And the language in the original country that changed and evolved the most.

One thing that has pushed the evolution of American English (more so than British) is the ongoing influx of non-native speakers adopting it. Britain has had immigrants of its own since the American colonies were created, to be sure, but particularly since that nasty split with the British, American English has been spoken more by former Africans, Germans, French, Chinese, Norwegians, Poles, Mexicans, Dutch, Koreans, Arabs, etc. than by former Britons. That had to affect its pronunciation (and might explain some of the regional variations, depending on which immigrants settled where).

Re:Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695375)

One thing that has pushed the evolution of American English (more so than British) is the ongoing influx of non-native speakers adopting it.

See, that would make a lot of sense -- but on the other hand, the dominant Canadian accent corresponds very closely to the dominant American accent.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1)

ender81b (520454) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694806)

Of course, what area of england do you want to be the "original"? You want a london accent? Posh southerner? Northern English? Glaswegian?

The accents across england, imo, are extremely varied -- as much as the differneces between american and australian for example. Of course, this is coming from an american who only spent 4 months over there but take it as you will.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1)

ozbird (127571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694814)

Glaswegian?

Err, last time I checked Glasgow was in Scotland, not England. I suspect that you may be about to learn the phrase "Stitch that, Jimmy!" from our Scottish brethren who are less understanding...

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694842)

Err, last time I checked Glasgow was in Scotland

You mean one of the 3 pieces of land around England that like to believe themselves as independant, that have fake local governments so that they can live out their dreams of being independants, yet never were able to gain their independance in centuries, and that would never survive as separate countries if they weren't in the UK?

Come on, get over it. Scotland is some region of the UK, just like Hampshire or Suffolk, has been for ages, and everybody in the world but scots see it that way.

Kind of like Corsica to France really: loud mouthed, independentists, but ultimately just a piece of french territory that would wither and die without the mainland.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694848)

Note that you said some region of the UK. That's correct. The United Kingdom. Not England, as the previous poster suggested.

Learn the difference : England + N. Ireleand + Scotland + Wales = United Kingdom

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695066)

That's not right: The three pieces of land around england that you're talking about might well not be able to survive on their own, but obviously enough, Northern Ireland could economically survive very well if reunified with Southern Ireland, independent of England (though a fair bit of the population would object to such a reunification with Ireland proper at the moment)

And remember that racially, the Scots and the Irish are pretty much the same people. What if they got over their bickering? A unified Irish-Scots nation like there was until about the 10th century would not only be perfectly capable of surviving independently, it would pretty seriously freak out the English, as there is very little love indeed between the Southern Irish and the English for pretty obvious reasons (millions dead in a famine caused by foreign invaders tends to piss the survivors off...)

The Welsh and Breton, while Celtic, are from a different branch of the celtic family tree, and might be a bit less enthusiastic about unifying with the Irish And Scots, but it's not at all inconceivable.

Imagine Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales ceding from the United Kingdom of Britannia and joining a reuinified Celtic nation ruled from Hibernia. That WOULD, most certainly, not only be self-sufficient, it would also be a force to be reckoned with - the famine killed off our weakest first, and evolution works. Remember that we Celts have very long memories.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (2, Informative)

shepd (155729) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694877)

>Err, last time I checked Glasgow was in Scotland, not England.

True, but you'd ever been to Cumbria [jpb.co.uk] , you'd understand why an American would easily get confused.

Re: IRC; afternet; #gamedev (4, Informative)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694872)


> We were just talking about how the British English language was the true "natural" English language, all other derived languages that were English with an accent. For example, If I (a person who lives in America and speaks US English; no born American (thank goodness)) were to go to England and converse with an Englishman; who would have the accent, me or him? The obvious answer, as a lot of Americans fail to realize, is me.

Maybe not. It's a curious but well-known phenomenon in dialectology that peripherial/frontier dialects tend to be conservative while innovations accumulate more rapidly in the core areas. IIRC, scholars study the isolated communities on the islands along the US Atlantic coast to see what Shakespeare's actors would have sounded like.

Re: IRC; afternet; #gamedev (2, Interesting)

Mindcry (596198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694918)

from last i heard (royal shakespeare company interview i believe), they would have sounded like irish pirates or some such... i heard a couple of the company doing a dialogue like that, and it was really strange...

Re: IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1)

Hortensia Patel (101296) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695090)

Well, you could argue that accent change is a kind of meme propagation, and new memes propagate much faster in (densely-populated) core areas than in (sparsely-populated) peripheral/frontier areas. Rather like the extreme vagaries of fashion being primarily urban rather than rural.

No idea whether that's the real explanation, but the phenomenon you describe doesn't sound all that curious.

Incidentally, the Shakespeare's Globe theatre here in London is doing a couple of "original pronunciation" performances as part of this year's season; should be interesting.

Re: IRC; afternet; #gamedev (3, Interesting)

orthogonal (588627) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695094)

Maybe not. It's a curious but well-known phenomenon in dialectology that peripheral/frontier dialects tend to be conservative [i.e., less changing] while innovations accumulate more rapidly in the core areas

Also true in genetics, where's it's called Founder's Effect.

It's not that difficult to understand. Assume that in one year 1 person in X comes up with a language innovation -- a new word, a new way of pronouncing a word, an idiom, whatever. Or sate in another (but equivalent) way: assume that a language innovation happens on average every X person-years. Also assume that the innovation spreads with some frequency to persons who hear it.

Then then more people interacting in a place, the more innovation you'll have. More people will be present in core areas, fewer in peripheral or frontier areas.

And every time someone leaves an area for a previously unsettled area, that person will take with him his knowledge of the language as it currently exists in that area, like a snapshot -- but once settled in the new area, the smaller settling population will generate less innovation, causing language change to slow in the newly settled area.

In genetics, Founder's Effect of course refers to genes (and alleles): if a small group branches off from a larger group to settle a new area, all alleles/traits present in the larger group may not be represented in the settlers, or represented in the same frequency. What was a rare trait, (e.g., blue eyes) in the larger group might not be so rare in the smaller group.

Indeed, physical separation of groups of animals of the same species, as by geographical barriers, is though to be one of the main causes of speciation, where one species splits into two.

Interestingly, there are a number of parallels between genetic distribution over space and language transmission over space. Of course, we should remember that we get our genes exclusively from our parents, but our language from peers as well as parents.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (4, Informative)

zsau (266209) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694911)

Actually, that's not true. Obviously if you went to England, you'd have an accent. But there's a lot of different accents in England. Even in the city of London there's at least three native accents (Cockney, Estuary and Received). But that's not what I'm getting at.

British English isn't the 'true "natural" English language'. In some ways, American English is more conservative than British English; American retains the flat a in words like 'fast' and 'pass' (so 'pass' and 'mass' rhyme), whereas in southern British English they've become the broad a. Most American dialects have retained the rhotic in almost all positions (and where it's been lost---words like 'ass' (from arse) and 'bust' (from burst)---the r is no longer written, left no trace, and the resultant word is generally distinct), but in almost all English English dialects I've heard (I'm Aussie), it's gone. Of course, British English is more conservative in other ways---it retains a three-way distinction between father/bother and cot/caught, for instance. (In everything here, Australian follows British. Sometimes Australian follows American. Sometimes Australian is original or shares changes with the other Southern Hemispherean Englishes.)

British English is no truer an english then any english. Just because the name of the language is the same as the adjective for things that come from England (and the name of the people from there, too) doesn't mean the English have any particular claim to English any more. Especially because there's probably as much variation in English English as there is in World English.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695467)

Considering that English comes from England, I'd say that the English do indeed have a better claim to the name. If American settlers, who brought the language with them had kept the language the same (obviously an impossibility - not the way language works), then it might be reasonable to consider it just a dialect, but the way they are diverging I'd say "American English" is best (and presumably it'll eventually become a different language, unless global communications means that the time of new language creation is behind us).

P.S. Don't tell me that English in England should be called "British English"... we don't refer to "French French" just because some Canadians speak it too.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (1)

Mindcry (596198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694912)

umm... you both have accents, sorry to say ;) you can consider his proper and yours not, but i don't think that's really entirely correct either... old english from the long long ago didn't sound anything like modern british english does today either, so really i'd say there's not much luck with that arguement.

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (4, Funny)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694964)

If I (a person who lives in America and speaks US English; no born American (thank goodness)) were to go to England and converse with an Englishman; who would have the accent, me or him? The obvious answer, as a lot of Americans fail to realize, is me.

As someone who moved from the US to the UK [colingregorypalmer.net] , let me tell you that the British people here don't consider the language I speak to be English. It's American, and I better not forget it. : )

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (2, Insightful)

DietVanillaPepsi (763129) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694966)

But then again, there are many different British accents. And British English is a evolved version of Old English. So none of us are speaking true and natural English. Such is the nature of language and progress.

who's got the accent now? (1)

davids-world.com (551216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695018)

Sure - there is no 'high/pure language' outthere. Everything else is linugistics aristocracy. The archive is an example of the great variety among L2 English speakers (those who didn't acquire the language 'naturally' before the age of about 13). However, the meta-data about the speakers collected seems somewhat insufficient, and if you would actually want to use the corpus scientifically, you would want a greater consistency among the samples: only people that haven't lived outside of their original region and learned English 'academically', for example. The phonetic transcriptions, however, seem very useful!

Accents are mutable (1)

the_twisted_pair (741815) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695144)

..as in, stay a while and yours will change, probably end up somewhere mid-atlantic. You too could end up sounding like Gross Lloydman.

I'm English, with pretty much a 'received-pronounciation' accent. Following 3 years spent working in Asia, when I returned home 2/3rds of the people I met for the first 6 months asked if I was Australian. Afetr a while I was sorely tempted to just reply 'Ah shit yeah.'

Re:IRC; afternet; #gamedev (2, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695413)

If I (a person who lives in America and speaks US English; no born American (thank goodness)) were to go to England and converse with an Englishman; who would have the accent, me or him? The obvious answer, as a lot of Americans fail to realize, is me.

I shared a flat with 5 UK citizens while at university in Scotland. We all had accents. There was a Glaswegian accent, a northern highlands accent, a Mancunian accent (i.e. Manchester), a Birmingham(?)-by-way-of-Australia accent, an East London accent, and a midwestern American accent (mine). (Plus a Welsh classmate whom I never could understand.) They occasionally made fun of me by talking funny like I did (especially the way I said my name), but I did the same with each of them.

PA? Big Deal. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694749)

As a side note, I did get the link to this from Penny Arcade's Jerry Holkins.

What's this? You're bragging about who you got the link from? Trying to give us all geek envy? Is your penis really that small?

Geeks Law (1)

McCarrum (446375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694764)

I think I just found a great tool for my role playing game ...

Re:Geeks Law / Role playing (1)

davids-world.com (551216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695041)

I like role playing, too. I'm German (and native German speaker), I've spent some time in the U.S. when I was around 16-17, now, at the age of 26, I've been living in Ireland. Most people will know that the Irish accents are pretty distinctive (non-linguistics might say that every sentence sounds a bit like a complaint). I have found that most Americans that I talk to guess that I am Irish, or at least they say that I have an Irish accent. Most Irish people say that my accent is American. A couple of months ago all around the world in Oz, some cab driver guessed after five minutes: are you from Ireland? In most cases, when people talk to me for more than a few minutes, they wonder where I'm from, as they can't tell. It's strange, how adaptive we are. I assume that the fact that I'm not a native speaker helps me in adapting. For example, in my native German, I didn't assume a Berlin accent after four years there.

Very curious methodology (4, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694765)

Getting speakers of English as a foreign language to repeat a standard English phrase. It's highly unlikely that this produces accents in the sense of two speakers of the same language would recognise. I.e. would a Flemish Dutch speaker recognise the accent of a Dutch speaker from Amsterdam when mangled through an English phrase? Somehow, I don't think so.

It might be useful for tracing people's origins when they are in an Anglosaxon country. But you might as well just ask them.

What would be more useful, perhaps, is a study of the relative differences in accents between native speakers of the "same" language, and how these differences come about.

Re:Very curious methodology (2, Insightful)

mocm (141920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694788)

I don't know about local Dutch accents, but I can recognize various German accents even when the people are speaking English. I can also recognize most other European language speakers when they are speaking English, although it gets a little harder when the languages are similar and I don't speak them myself. But I guess as soon as you speak a language yourself and can recognize diffenernt dialects in that language, you will also be able to recognize them when the people speak a foreign language.
If you ever listend to Gaelic or Welsh you can also see where the English accent of those people come from even if they don't speak the original language anymore.

Re:Very curious methodology (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694819)

I can recognize various German accents even when the people are speaking English

I can't recognize southern France accents through english. It's very well known that the "singing" rolling accents found in the south of France just isn't compatible with pronouncing english properly, so either someone from there will speak english so badly you won't get a word of it, or he'll speak english properly and his native french accent will be filtered out by his very act of speaking english.

It's just harder to learn english if you have a southern french accent to begin with. But once english is mastered enough, you won't hear any difference between a Paris speaker and a Marseille speaker. English acts as an equalizer here.

Re:Very curious methodology (1)

mocm (141920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694850)

Sure if they have been studying English for a long time and lived in an English speaking country, most people (especially if they were still relatively young when they learned the language) will adapt to the accent they hear every day. I have even met some Americans that lived in England for a long time who have a British accent.
When I talked about recognizing the native language accent, I was talking about people who learned English in high school and haven't spent much time in an English speaking country.
I also realize that (since I am not a native speaker) my accents adapts to the local English accent when I spent a certain amount of time there.
I guess it depends on the amount of sounds your native language uses on how fast you are adapting to a foreign language. That's why Japanese have trouble with r and l, Germans with th and French with h. They either don't have those sounds in their own language at all or they are more limited.
The worst obstacle for people using the alphabet, is that they can read the language without pronouncing it. I once attended a physics lecture in France and thought the people were speaking French (which I only speak a little), but they were actually speaking English, pronouncing the words as they would if they were read French.

Re:Very curious methodology (2, Funny)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694962)

I can't recognize southern France accents through english. It's very well known that the "singing" rolling accents found in the south of France just isn't compatible with pronouncing english properly, so either someone from there will speak english so badly you won't get a word of it, or he'll speak english properly and his native french accent will be filtered out by his very act of speaking english.

"He had a minkey."

(obligatory Clouseau quote)

Re:Very curious methodology (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694831)

I just got home - whew!

It was a wild night in the gay bars of Kansas City!

Buddies' was hoppin' tonight..

Re:Very curious methodology (1)

Mindcry (596198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694926)

I don't speak any other languages and i could pick out some of the different accents of the same langauge... living near washington DC gives pretty good grounds to learn, but i imagine german/french readers (among others) could tell the differences of location for their native tongue... ivory coast/canadian/louisiana/paris french sound fairly distinct, even when speaking english...

Re:Very curious methodology (4, Interesting)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694960)

Getting speakers of English as a foreign language to repeat a standard English phrase. It's highly unlikely that this produces accents in the sense of two speakers of the same language would recognise. I.e. would a Flemish Dutch speaker recognise the accent of a Dutch speaker from Amsterdam when mangled through an English phrase? Somehow, I don't think so.

Probably not, for the same reason kids don't understand you when you baby-talk them. With kids, they hear the word the way the adults say it, presumably correctly. Then they speak it in their "I'm still learning to talk" accent. So I might say "later", but my daughter will say "waiter". I understand her because I've been hearing her trying to talk, and she understands me because it's my speech she's trying to emulate. But if I say "waiter" when I mean "later", she'll be confused.

Mind you, she knows that she's not perfectly emulating my speech, and she tries everyday to speak a little more clearly. This is the reason you don't baby-talk kids, and you don't imitate a foreign-speaker's accent when you talk to them. They won't learn the correct speech (assuming you're speaking it 'correctly', whatever that is), and most importantly for the foreign-speaker, they won't understand you. (It's less important that the kid understand you and more important that they hear the word correctly. Understanding will come with time, but breaking an accent you imposed on them will be very difficult, if not impossible) Also, mind you, it's perfectly ok to limit your vocabulary to theirs, if necessary, to get your message across. But in neither case will the person's vocabulary expand when you do that, so unless you're trying to say something of grave importance ("Your house is on fire! Call 9-1-1!"), you're better off going ahead and taking the time to teach the new vocabulary. :)

Re:Very curious methodology (3, Interesting)

The Phantom Blot (206903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694976)

Would a Flemish Dutch speaker recognise the accent of a Dutch speaker from Amsterdam when mangled through an English phrase?

Sure. Why not? I'm an American who's been living in Paris for several months, and I've noticed the following things:
  • As an anglophone, it is easier for me to understand other anglophones speaking French than a francophone speaking French.
  • As an American, I can tell the difference between an American, a Briton and a German speaking French.
  • As a Southerner, I can tell the difference between a Californian, a New Yorker, and a Floridian speaking French
If the accent is strong enough, it will always shine through.

Re:Very curious methodology (2, Interesting)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695096)

would a Flemish Dutch speaker recognise the accent of a Dutch speaker from Amsterdam when mangled through an English phrase?
I can answer the question in terms of Indian English. As an Indian who speaks English but not as a "mother" tongue, I've always been able to recognise the respective mother tongues of other Indians through English; that is, not that difficult to differentiate between English as spoken by a native Tamil speaker, and that spoken by, say, a native Hindi speaker (even if I don't necessarily speak either language).

I guess this where the whole question of how native we're in English comes into play.

Re:Very curious methodology (1)

JustKidding (591117) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695116)

I think one could figure out which movies and tv shows get repeated over and over in a certain country just by listening to these samples. I don't think it would be very hard to find out someone is a big fan of Steve the Corcodile Hunter...

For people living in non-english speaking countries, TV and music are probably the only sources of spoken english, so they tend to copy the accents.

Problems with study (5, Interesting)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694766)

This is a really wonderful idea. However, I worry that it has a copule significant problems for researchers. First, for computer analysis work, a paragraph is likely too short to be useful. It can take a *lot* of audio data to make up for one-time variations. Second, cleanliness of the recording. Since anyone can submit a recording, not only will the recording environments and devices differ, but it is unlikely that any recordings will be made in the kind of studio-quality or lab-quality environment that would make these most useful for analysis work.

I'm not a speech synth/recognition researcher, but I do know that generally, for speech research, much stricter constraints are placed on audio being acquired. The extreme variety of the site is nice, but I'm not sure that it outweighs the drawbacks.

Re:Problems with study (1)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694827)

too short to be useful

well, if you click the i symbol next to each ipa transcription (the pic with the phonetic spelling), you get a list of generalisations (ie in how far the speaker differs from standard variation).

anyone can submit a recording

university labs will gladly take part in adding to the collection, I guess. sub standard recordings can still be rejected. no problem there...

not sure that it outweighs the drawbacks

Students of Linguistics are working with material of much worse quality - I'm sure they'll welcome the project rather than running it down.

what I find a bit problematic is that they have the readers speak the same text only and not an additional conversation - that would be excellent material for my sampler...at least I have enough plastic snake samples to last me a lifetime.

Hmmmmm (4, Insightful)

ziggy_zero (462010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694767)

When I found this site a few days ago (linked on Penny Arcade), one of the first things that came to mind was how useful it could be to an actor who has to learn how to do a certain accent. In some of the more common accents they even have a list of rules on how most speakers of that other language speak (e.g. many Japanese speakers reverse their R's and L's).

Re:Hmmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694777)

yeah, you have a point there.

Japanese people can't pronounce L!! (2, Interesting)

JollyRogerX (749524) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694799)

Japanese people don't REVERSE L and R, they just can't pronounce L at all. A lot of people (stupid people) imitating japanese accents reverse the l an r because they think it sounds japanese. It doesn't. It's justs stupid. BTW, they call it "Engrish" because they just can't say "English." Its just like how I cannot roll my R's no matter how hard I try. Thus, when I speak Spanish, I sound funny when saying words containing rr. If you want proof of this, just look on any Japanese Katakana or Hirigana chart. These contain all the phonetic sounds in the Japanese language. notice there is no L.

Re:Japanese people can't pronounce L!! (5, Insightful)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694841)

Japanese people don't REVERSE L and R, they just can't pronounce L at all.

This is not particularly correct. Japanese has neither an R nor an L; it has a sound that stands somewhere roughly between the two (whether or not it sounds more like an R or an L depends on the exact speaker, their particular regional accent, and to a certain extent, their gender). And while Japanese speakers of English do not always or even consistently reverse the two consonants, as a consequence of growing up in an environment where the two sounds were conflated, they often have trouble distinguishing the two and have trouble remembering which tongue positioning they should be using for a particular word. Hence it is not uncommon to hear a native Japanese speaker produce an R instead of an L, or vice-versa, in English.

If you want proof of this, just look on any Japanese Katakana or Hirigana chart. These contain all the phonetic sounds in the Japanese language. notice there is no L.

That proves nothing, as Katakana and Hiragana charts contain neither Rs nor Ls; they contain, by definition, Katakana and Hiragana. On an English translation (and the key word here is "translation", as in close approximation of the sounds in english) of the (ra ri ru re ro) portion of the charts they are often presented as R sounds (as this is what they tend to sound like, especially when produced by male speakers in the standard accent), but it is not truly an R (or L sound), as the tounge is at a different position with respect to the upper teeth, and it shares elements in common with the R, L (and to a certain extent D) sounds.

Nevertheless (1)

the_twisted_pair (741815) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695198)

L and R can lead to problems in everyday life. I worked in Asia for three years where during introductions my surname, Clark, usually caused facial expressions akin to a bulldog chewing a wasp.

Of course its reciprocal. I paused the first time I met a Mr. Ng.

Re:Japanese people can't pronounce L!! (1)

Orinthe (680210) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695224)

Although I've never heared a Japanese person attempt to say 'Engrish', I suspect they would have just as much trouble saying it as 'English'. There are half a dozen problems with the word from the point of view of a native Japanese speaker, the least of which being the r/l.

Engrish - the obvious
Engrish - concurrent consonants are practically nonexistent in Japanese ('n' is a pseudo-exception, it is somewhat special in being its own syllable, but it's not the same 'n' that we know)
Engrish - The "short" 'i' also doesn't exist in Japanese, their vowels being limited to (forgive me for not being more technical) ah, ee, oo, eh, and oh
Engrish - The Japanese language is syllabic, and for reasons similar to the above, you can't end on anything but a vowel ('n' being the exception)

An English->Japanese->English transliteration (you don't really lose much coming from Japanese to English, not if you know how Japanese is pronounced, anyway) would probably look something like this:
ingurishu
or maybe
ingurishi

Re:Japanese people can't pronounce L!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695478)

Japanese people don't REVERSE L and R, they just can't pronounce L at all.

That's completely wrong. Many Japanese people can and do learn how to produce a distinct L and R. And if such a person is a casual speaker of English, it can be very difficult to remember which of the sounds goes where in any particular English word.

Re:Hmmmmm (2, Informative)

mocm (141920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694807)

They don't reverse them, they only have one sound for l and r which lies between the two sounds. Naturally it is difficult for them to even distinguish the sounds and even more difficult to speak them.
It is like the French U which English speakers never get right because they don't even realize the difference (rue is not pronounced like roo, it is like the German u (that should be \"u, but no Umlaut in /.).

Re:Hmmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694844)

This is already being done. Many Canadian actors will take courses just on how to talk American. Most of it has to do with changing the very little things which most of us would never think of.

Engrish (1)

mAsterdam (103457) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694935)

... many Japanese speakers reverse their R's and L's


Here are some nice examples of this and more [engrish.com] . It also goes the other way [xmp.net] .

Re:Hmmmmm (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695053)

(e.g. many Japanese speakers reverse their R's and L's).

Not quite. They tend to use a (single) sound that we Engish speakers hear as an R when they want L and an L when they want R; we're hearing the differences, not the similarities. Same with some European dialects that sound like they're mixing up V and W: In fact, they're using one sound in between V and W for both.

They could learn from actors... (4, Informative)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694773)

Actors/voice actors have "dialect tapes" which they study to learn accents. I have a few and generally they start by giving vowel substitutions, common phrases and syntax, and then move on to insanely boring phrases you must repeat while trying to copy their accents and inflections.

Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694780)

...who finds these inexplicably hilarious?

Should I feel guilty for doing so?

Re:Am I the only one... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694794)

Absolutely not, be proud of your Aryan heritage brother.

Re:Am I the only one... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694838)

Accents are inherently funny to me. Not really a race thing.

My southern-ese (think jeff foxworthy) has gotten me into trouble... well, maybe it was because I was driving around yelling it out my window... with a bullhorn... in the south... at 3 am... by some yuppie apartments.

Hey I though it was heeelarious!

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695074)

Flamebait? This is the funniest post of 'em all!

Quicktime!? (1, Informative)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694792)

Great they are all encoded in a proprietary format :(.
Anyone know how to get quicktime working in Firefox on Linux (Gentoo)?

Stop being cheap (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694802)

And get a Mac, foo!

Re:Quicktime!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694811)

Yes, first thing you need to do is uninstall Linux by reformating the hard drive. Next, ride your bike to CompUSA and purchase a copy of Microsoft WinME. Since Quicktime is a popular format used for heterosexual porn files, nobody has every bothered to develop a Linux .mov player.

Hemos

Re:Quicktime!? (2, Informative)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694840)

Just to answer my own question # emerge mplayerplug-in Looks like I saved myself the 1000 and half my deskspace :p

Re:Quicktime!? (1)

latroM (652152) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695135)

That makes your system non-free :/.

Re:Quicktime!? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694899)

No they are not ... :P

They use standart quicktime files with imapcm audio ... mplayer could play them forever and anything gstreamer based should too . You don't even need any binary codecs for them..

get mozplugger or that mplayer plugin for your browser

Eek!! (1)

bagel2ooo (106312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694801)

Sound samples? Stepford Earth? *hides*

Accents (2, Funny)

ozbird (127571) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694822)

They say that the first accent was a grave [wikipedia.org] mistake...

Re:Accents (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694856)

They say that the first accent was a grave mistake...

Not at all, it was an acute [wikipedia.org] mistake...

I just got back to Oz from NZ (3, Funny)

NemesisStar (619232) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694880)

And while there I saw a chalkboard outside a cornerstore with a joke on it:

A foreigner was at a sheep farm watching them shear the wool off the sheep. Knowing a better way he said "Here, let me show you how to shear your sheep"

The Kiwi replied "I'm not shearing with anybody!"

Never let it be said that Kiwi's don't know how to laugh at themselves! (and for this instance we'll forgive them their rediculous accents ;))

Bork bork bork... (3, Informative)

hefa (133288) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694909)

This stuff is cool, IMHO. In case anyone's interested, here's the Swedish version of the concept: http://swedia.ling.umu.se/

In SweDia you can listen to 100 Swedish dialects recorded 1998-2000. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

Meanwhile on YRO.slashdot .... (2, Funny)

DrYak (748999) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694923)

Nintendo sues "George Mason University" for their "Speech Accent Archive", saying that the university is guilty of trademark infringment on nintendo's patented "Hellooo it's meeee Marrrrrioooo " and that they're trying to take advantage of the copyrighted italian accent in their work...

Re:Meanwhile on YRO.slashdot .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8695032)

This is so horribly unfunny you deserve a good beating.

Yoda speaks out... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8694941)

At web page looking at, catalog creating they are different speeches and styles on planet Earth I see. English language evolved on other planets what about analyzing? Mmmmmmm...

Don't forget these resources (3, Funny)

TTL0 (546351) | more than 10 years ago | (#8694965)

The Collection won't be complete w/ out Father Guido Sarducci [earthlink.net] Or the Jive Guys [wavlist.com] from Airplane [imdb.com]

Neural Network? (0)

Bou (630753) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695015)

This sounds like a perfect collection to train a neural network on! Anyone tried that yet?

Serious oversights... (2, Funny)

neuroklinik (452842) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695086)

They missed quite a few accents.

Bill Shatner
Christopher Walken
Dana Carvey's Ross Perot
James Stewart

I have at least 4 accents combined (2, Interesting)

filekutter (617285) | more than 10 years ago | (#8695370)

due to moving around the states... So, am I unique, or just a mutt?
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