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IFPI 'First Wave' Sues 247 In Europe & Canada

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the litigious-society dept.

The Courts 304

securitas writes "AP and many others report that the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry - IFPI - has sued 247 accused file-sharers in Germany, Denmark, Italy and Canada as part of an unprecedented, coordinated attack. The IFPI represents the global recording industry through its members - national associations like the IFPIG, DRIA, FIMI, CRIA and RIAA - and says it will launch more international lawsuits in the months ahead. You may also want to read the official IFPI 'first wave' press release/related documents and a statement by the IFPI's chairman and CEO. Lots of coverage at AP/AJC, USA Today, the New York Times, Reuters/CNN Money, ZDNet/CNet, Bloomberg , netimperative and the BBC. The timing of the international legal attacks is especially interesting in light of the recent study that indicates file-sharing has a negligible impact on music sales."

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304 comments

Phonographic... (5, Funny)

Mick Ohrberg (744441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724720)

On first read, I thought it said Pornographic! That has got to be the only media that's probably shared more than music...

One question... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724757)

Did you have to dust that off before you used it? Or do you keep you old jokes filed away in vacuum sealed bags?

[OT] Re:One question... (1)

Mick Ohrberg (744441) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724807)

No - I just like posting these things so that nitpickers who are sore because they didn't get to post it first get something to bitch about.

Re:[OT] Re:One question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724890)

First? I just came back from 1996 when that joke was already collecting Social Security.

And even when it was new it was only pun, dude.

You're meddling with forces you can't possibly comprehend. Believe me when I say joke necromancy is nothing to laugh at.

Re:Phonographic... (0, Redundant)

tvh2k (738947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724810)

Heh...I read that too and was thinking "oh no...now they're cracking down on porn sharing too!" It wasn't till I RTFA that I realized the word was "phonographic". LOL!

Re:Phonographic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724925)

ehehehehe... I did too ... wow...

Damn my dirty mind! (0, Redundant)

Gangis (310282) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724722)

For a second there, I thought it was the International Federation of the Pornographic Industry. Maybe I need this little thing called a life? :-P

Re:Damn my dirty mind! (4, Funny)

bbrazil (729534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724745)

Maybe I need this little thing called a life?
You're posting on /. By definition...

Re:Damn my dirty mind! (3, Insightful)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724852)

This might be offtopic, but I'm annoyed.

I think it is really unfair for moderators to moderate the first four or five replies after the first one as "redundant" just because they all make the same observation. The fact is that people posting in /. aren't seeing real-time posts go up as they're quickly composing their replies.

Heck, I made the observation about my own misreading of the name of the organization in question, and then went on to make a point about the arguments used by that organization, and got modded redundant!

About 10% of my reply was devoted to my misreading of the name of the organization, and I even prefaced it by saying, "that happened to me too," yet my entire reply is redundant? How about reading my entire post before moderating it, okay?

Re:Damn my dirty mind! (2, Interesting)

IWorkForMorons (679120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8725028)

Heheh...if you think that's bad, I've been modded redundent for being the first person to post a reply. And a legitimate one at that... [slashdot.org]

What's funnier is that I'll probably get modded Off-Topic for this post...

First post. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724724)

I hope Hillary Rosen gets cancer (yeah, I know she's not the head of the RIAA anymore).

Re:First post. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724837)

ya! Cancer in her cunt. Her festering cunt should rot and fall out on the ground. That cunt's fucking cunt should be fed to wolves! Fucking cunt, get cancer in your fucking cunt and fucking DIE!!!!!!!!

Re:First post. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725038)

Is it Wednesday already?

IFPI (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724733)

IFPI. What's it all about? Is it good, or is it whack?

Ignoring a Common Cause? (4, Insightful)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724736)

Same thing happened to me! When I first looked at the summary of the post, I thought it said "International Federation of the PORNOgraphic Industry"!

I was like, "Oh, no, they're suing people over sharing porn! What are we going to do?!"

All kidding aside, I'd really like to see chart showing the so-called "decline" in CD sales displayed alongside the trends in other aspects of the young person's financial life, such as increases in college tuition and the price of textbooks, the price of gasoline at the pump, and sales of designer clothes, video games, and other luxury items. I bet there are correlations all over the place.

Remember when Bart Simpson encounters the inventor of Spirograph, who glumly points out that there's a direct correlation between the decline in sales of Spirograph toys and the rise in violent crime in our nation's schools?

I think that the RIAA is using the same kind of logic... CD sales went down as P2P usage went up, therefore P2P usage caused CD sales to go down. I have this cool program on my Mac called "Fallacy Tutorial," which was made by some logic professor, and it lists this type of argument as "Ignoring a Common Cause." The RIAA and its buddies are doing what politicians have been doing for centuries. Go back and look at how Prohibition came into being in 1920, and you'll see how spurious arguments can be used over and over again until a tiny group of overly-influential people (often very wealthy to begin with) get their way.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724816)

Go back and look at how Prohibition came into being in 1920, and you'll see how spurious arguments can be used over and over again until a tiny group of overly-influential people (often very wealthy to begin with) get their way.

Prohibition came into being because the wealthy people wanted it? I'd of figured the wealthy would have been the most opposed to it. Ya know, like the CEOs of the beer/wine/liquor companies? Overly-influential people to be sure and probably a few wealthy ones to boot but I think it's a leap of faith to assume that most (or even many) wealthy people wanted prohibition.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (1)

RCO (597148) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724957)

Actually, the wealthy people you speak of (...like the CEOs of the beer/wine/liquor companies?) made a lot of made a lot of money on prohibition.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (1, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724987)

Actually, the wealthy people you speak of (...like the CEOs of the beer/wine/liquor companies?) made a lot of made a lot of money on prohibition.

And the RIAA members would make a lot of money if they embraced the Internet and P2P. Oil companies would make a lot of money if they embraced alternative energy sources. It doesn't mean they want to. Eventually they will be forced to (as the CEOs of the liquor companies were) but it doesn't mean they won't be dragged kicking and screaming into doing it.

Nobody likes a worn out old paradigm more then big business. Nobody changes direction slower.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725033)


You get a +1, Insightful virtual point from me but also get -0.5, used the word 'paradigm'. That's still a net gain of half a point, well done!

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (3, Insightful)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724962)

Prohibition came into being because the wealthy people wanted it?

Well, of course not all the wealthy people wanted Prohibition, just the ones who were convinced that alcohol was the cause of (and not the solution to, as Homer points out) all of life's problems. I think Henry Ford is a good example.

The late self-help author Peter McWilliams wrote a wonderful book called Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do, and it has a great chapter on the Prohibition movement [mcwilliams.com] , which the author posted online in its entirety before he died, along with all of his other books. Check it out... it's a cautionary tale whose lessons we would do well to review in our present age.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724860)

The point is not whether the copyright infringements cause loss of sales. The point is that copyright infringement is a crime, and the recording industry associations have the duty to find and prosecute those who commit it.

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724915)

The point is that copyright infringement is a crime, and the recording industry associations have the duty to find and prosecute those who commit it.

Since when does a collection of business owners have a duty to uphold the law and prosecute violators? Did you skip class at law school the day they taught law?

Re:Ignoring a Common Cause? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724912)

Actually, when file sharing got its big boom with Napster, CD sales went up about 30 percent...

Huh? (-1, Redundant)

martingunnarsson (590268) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724738)

International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

I wonder how many of us read that as pornographic...

Re:Huh? (1)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724764)

Everybody so far......including me.

Re:Huh? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724766)

WHAT? PHONOgraphic? Damn. And I just deleted all my porn. :/

Re:Huh? (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724825)

I wonder how many of us read that as pornographic...

That's because of obscene lawsuits...

Re:Huh? (0, Offtopic)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724863)

me, me, me

me too :)

Why now (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724741)

I heard that the reason that this happened now has to do with some obscure trade law that dates back to the Dutch east indies company in the 15th centure

Re:Why now (1)

andy666 (666062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724771)

No wait, i can do this too - I heard that it is for the same reason that the space shuttle wheels are the same distance from each other as on Roman carts...

Can you give some references ? Geez this kinda stuff doensn't add to the discussion at all. You just want to be modded up.

Pornographic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724743)

I could expect a lot of filesharers to really get scared if it was Pornographic, my interpretation :D

Jose Padilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724746)

Jose Padilla - good Americans say "who?"

Just wait till term 2 starts. You people will get the mother of all wake up calls.

To bad it will be to late to do anything about it.

I don't share.

How about you take a look at your history book. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724835)

Ass.

Care to guess what Al-Queda's CEO, Saddam, and Hitler all had in common? They were all ass-hats and thugs who spent time in prision before they upgraded to supervillainy.

Jose can fucking die. He want's to rock like a big boy. Fuck him. At best he's a petty thug, that's enough to cancel his check right there. At most he wants war with America. Fine. I will spring for the cost of the bullet, shipping included.

If you kill all the petty thugs problems disappear, sure a little good goes out with the garbage, but really very little. It's our wealth that is the source of our compassion, not the other way around.

Re:Jose Padilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724870)

fuck you, you mexijewniggerwetbackdagowophonkychink

Ye gods... (0, Redundant)

fbjon (692006) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724747)

... am I the only one who first misread:

"...the International Federation of the Pornographic Industry - IFPI - has sued 247 accused file-sharers in Germany..."

Maybe I just don't understand it... (1)

GearType2 (614552) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724751)

but does this mean in the entire area they can cover, they only found enough proof to accuse 247 of them? I'm sure more are to come, but why not just file suit against more? also, yes, I thought it said pornographic...

Re:Maybe I just don't understand it... (3, Interesting)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724951)

  • but does this mean in the entire area they can cover, they only found enough proof to accuse 247 of them? I'm sure more are to come, but why not just file suit against more? also, yes, I thought it said pornographic...
Well realistically they probably can't afford to file suit against all the thousand (perhaps millions) online sharing music at any given time. Even if they could financially (and what am I saying, they probably can), logistically coordinating it would be a nightmare.

In the real world one would expect those 247 sued to be the biggest sharers they could find, but history (RIAA suits last year into this year) have taught us that the recording industry doesn't seem to share our reality. I will not be surprised if the IFPI finds itself in the same quagmire that the RIAA did. It'll be quite amusing if it's worse and over half the sharers are little kids or grandparents whose grandkids put the software on their computer without them knowing. Now that'd be a public relations nightmare! (Not that the IFPI and/or RIAA seem to care what anyone thinks of them anymore though.)

Someone clue me in here... (4, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724754)

How can they sue file sharers in Canada? I thought they had a media tax to make it legal to share files?

Re:Someone clue me in here... (1)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724780)

I think the tax only applies to copying onto CD for personal use.

Disclaimer: not Canadian, not a resident of Canada.

Re:Someone clue me in here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724782)

even though you're trolling I will respond:

Yes, you can legally trade to other Canadians. You cannot legally trade to those outside of the taxes' jurisdiction.

Re:Someone clue me in here... (5, Informative)

Zweistein_42 (753978) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724827)

You can legally _download_ music in Canada - it is covered by the levies we pay on the media (yay!:). You cannot legally _upload_ (i.e. share) music, as that makes you a "distributor" (and thus not covered under any form of personal use). It's the same reason why it is legal (in Canada) for me to borrow your CD and make a copy of it... but NOT for you to copy your CD and give me the copy. Same end result of course, but in first case, I'm copying for my personal use - in the second case, you are distributing something you don't have a right to distribute. IANAL, but I've followed Canadian copyright law for a while - the particular statute is reasonably clear once you understand the distinction between personal use (copying for myself) and distributing (copying or making available to others)

Re:Someone clue me in here... (1)

ezh (707373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724918)

You can legally _download_ music in Canada - it is covered by the levies we pay on the media (yay!:). You cannot legally _upload_ (i.e. share) music, as that makes you a "distributor" (and thus not covered under any form of personal use). blah-blah...

Now there is a question: since almost all the modern p2p file sharing makes you an uploader as well as downloader, e.g. KaZaA, *Mule, DC++, Gnutella2, etc... would that make you liable even if you only "download"?

Re:Someone clue me in here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724796)

Media tax doesnt make it legal to share with anyone and his mother. It makes it legal to make some copies for personal use and for friends.

Re:Someone clue me in here... (1)

BabyDave (575083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724804)

I think the tax only "allows you" (in some sense - I don't know the details) to download files, not to share them yourself.

Re:Someone clue me in here... (2, Insightful)

Jameth (664111) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724809)

Nononono!

They have a media tax to fuck people over. All it really does is puts money in the pockets of a corporation.

Re:Someone clue me in here... (2, Informative)

Mordaximus (566304) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724854)

It is illegal to distribute copyrighted materials. You Can download an mp3, you cannot share an mp3 (Distribution).

You can make a personal copy of a CD, you cannot make a copy for someone else (Distribution)

Assume that when they say they are suing file sharers, that they are after those who make the files available...

Re:Someone clue me in here... (0)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724959)

You Sir hit the nail on the head...

Only problem is are those that do not know they are "sharing" still liable... ie those that serve up 1000000 of songs and download almost none are guilty as sin.

But lets say someone that is very computer iliterate uses Kazaa or something else, and they unknowngly share out a file they downloaded. Does that still cauze them to be guilty as sin.

Unprecendented Coordinated Attack! (0, Flamebait)

bcolflesh (710514) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724765)

Damn those dirty Islamic extremists... oh wait, these are the good xtian terrorists - never mind.

Motherfucker (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724798)

I have a friend who lost his mom on 9/11. I'll send you his email so you can explain how lawsuits equate to terrorist attacks. Motherfucking dumbass.

Re:Motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724813)

I have a friend who first had anal sex on 9/11. Please cc: us on the reply.

Re:Motherfucker (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724818)

I have a friend who lost dozens of friends when your president Bush invaded his homeland to steal Iraq's oil in the name of "terrorism" and "weapons of mass destruction".

Too bad about your friend's mom but Excrement Occurs, this time it just happened close to home.

Re:Motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724973)

How the fuck can this be insightfull????

come on mods this fucker to flaimbate...

cuz he likes to masterbate.

Re:Motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724995)

No this time you fucking sand-monkeys found out 1) Might Makes the Rules, 2) Allah doesn't love you, and 3) Crusades seem like a good idea on a nice Friday afternoon outside the mosque, but in practice they suck if 1 and 2 aren't in your favor.

Too bad all you towel wearing fucks look alike.

Hey, as a Democrat who was against the war. I wanted to nuke mecca and kill your shit god, and follow with every muslim and arab city that didn't surrender unconditionally. So, hey, he got off easy. :) And seriously, no one is going to fight wwiii over your worthless hides.

Idiot (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724846)

What the fuck, I don't care who you lost on 9/11, or who your friends lost. I'm sick of seeing 9/11 paraded around as if it's a fucking badge to wear. Shit happened, it sucked, and now we're three years past it. I don't say we shouldn't continue talking about terrorism in general, but isn't it time to give 9/11 a rest?

Terroristic attacks can take all different forms. And this guy was just making a fucking joke against SCO, not 9/11, and you have to scream 'DUMBASS 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11'.

"Motherfucking dumbass."

Re:Motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724933)

I am a terrorist, and I dance on her and 3000 more graves. haha I say to dead infidel pigdogs.

Re:Unprecendented Coordinated Attack! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724831)

I'm a Muslim extremist who's dad was killed by your friend's mom - motherfucking christian dumbass.

Isn't it unfair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724775)

Isn't it unfair that Western Europe and the U.S. (Canada included ;-) ) have to support the entire worlds intellectual property industry? I mean, from pharmacueticals to CD's we have to bear the brunt of the cost burden that undoubtably would be reduced if these companies went after real pirates, ie. those with factories in 3rd world nations selling generic's and pressed/packaged digital media packages? Just seems unfair to me.

Re:Isn't it unfair... (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724802)

Isn't it unfair that Western Europe and the U.S. (Canada included ;-) ) have to support the entire worlds intellectual property industry? I mean, from pharmacueticals to CD's we have to bear the brunt of the cost burden that undoubtably would be reduced if these companies went after real pirates, ie. those with factories in 3rd world nations selling generic's and pressed/packaged digital media packages? Just seems unfair to me.

Why would they go after third-world pirates? Those guys are just increasing market-share when they would otherwise presumably be buying from local media/software vendors. Why would they want them doing that?

But you can bet your ass they'll go after us -- we don't have any other sources to buy their product from so why not? Whatever other sources we might have had they took away with the product design (DVD region codes) or DCMA.

Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724784)

Don't share copyrighted files. Why is that so fucking difficult?

File stealing? (4, Interesting)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724786)

"This is our first co-ordinated effort to take this campaign over the range of countries where file stealing is a problem," said Allen Dixon, IFPI's general counsel and executive director.

Maybe I was asleep, but since when did copyright infringements become known as "file stealing"!?

These cartels have had it too good for too long.. they're trying to sell us both media, and a license, then claim the license is non-transferrable and the media is non-replaceable.

In effect, you're being sold a hunk of plastic along with a very limited set of rights as to what you can do with your hunk of plastic. This business model is now crumbling thanks to the Internet, and I say good riddance to them and their Executive Directors.. go back to the dirty holes you crawled out from, and make room for real musicians, that make music for the love of it.. they've have no trouble embracing the 'net as a distribution mechanism.

Re:File stealing? (3, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724872)

Maybe I was asleep, but since when did copyright infringements become known as "file stealing"!?

It's the same reason Fox News and the Israelis call Palestinian bombers "homicide bombers" instead of the more accepted term "suicide bomber". It's the same reason SCO releases all of their crap. FUD. It's all about the FUD and the marketing with these people. If they can change the mind of John Q. Public they've won -- it doesn't really matter what us geeks think.

Of course I don't know how you win over the hearts and minds of John Q. Public by suing 12 year old schoolgirls either -- but I'm sure RIAA has people working on ways to spin that in a positive way.

(Disclaimer: I'm not trolling or trying to start an offtopic discussion about Middle Eastern politics -- just the first example that popped into my head)

Re:File stealing? (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724977)

go back to the dirty holes you crawled out from, and make room for real musicians, that make music for the love of it.
Just stop buying from the big evil labels... but don't download their music either. It's not like there's a lot of worthwhile stuff there ;-) There's plenty of independently-distributed and affordable music around, that earn the musicians a reasonable cut off the sales price, instead of the pittance they would have gotten from the big labels.

By the way, I have no problem with musicians becoming filthy rich from selling records. I do have a problem with these middlemen who have become filthy rich on the backs of musicians, and are now struggling to retain their slipping stranglehold on the industry.

CCC calls for boycott (5, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724788)

In reaction, the german Chaos Computer Club (CCC) has called for a boycott: German Page [www.ccc.de]

This banner [www.ccc.de] with the motto "Industry kills Music" is especially nice. The german text at the bottom translates to "And you are surprised that things are going badly?" and was part of a recent speech at a german music price ceremony where except for one indie band only badly casted, out-of-TV and largely joke-"stars" were on stage.
Oh, and the big bosses of the german music industry were present. According to news articles, they didn't exactly like being told the truth so bluntly and on live television...

Re:CCC calls for boycott (4, Interesting)

WyldThang (746602) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724873)

Not only the CCC is acting, even the party "Die Grunen" (part of the governing coalition in germany) started an postcard-initiative against copy-protection on CDs as it infringes the right to make your own copies (which is legal in germany).

Re:CCC calls for boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725016)

Also install Freenet on evry computer you have

Re:CCC calls for boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725029)

Beethoven didn't say ''if you don't give me $1000000, platinum disc and a contract for 2 movies, I REFUSE to publish my muisc (and compose further)''.

Barney Spears and the Wo-Wo-Duh boys band are definitelly killed by piracy. RIP.

Effect of lawsuits on sales. (2, Interesting)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724794)

I wonder how many sales are being lost because of the negative PR all these lawsuits must bring.

Personally, I've been boycotting the RIAA member companies for years now, and I have no intention of dropping it any time soon. Music is one of those things that if you don't know the band, you don't desire it. When you get exposed to it, you want more and more of it.

Re:Effect of lawsuits on sales. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724920)

Personally, I've been boycotting the RIAA member companies for years now
you must listen to a lot of music then...

Re:Effect of lawsuits on sales. (1)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8725034)

  • Personally, I've been boycotting the RIAA member companies for years now
    • you must listen to a lot of music then...
He might listen to quite a bit. I also have been boycotting them, but I enjoy Japanese Pop and Anime Soundtracks so I import those. I listen to music everyday, but none of it came from the US.

Re:Effect of lawsuits on sales. (4, Insightful)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8725003)

  • I wonder how many sales are being lost because of the negative PR all these lawsuits must bring.
Even if it could be proven the lawsuits are having a larger negative effect than the perceived downloading has on sales, I doubt the RIAA would stop. They ignore studies which show CD sales have not been majorly effected by downloading (we had a post about that yesterday, and the RIAA just tossed it aside claiming all these studies that had shown a direct-link. The only problem is I believe the RIAA or someone in the recording industry funded the research of all the researchers who found that there was a correlation.)

It's not like the RIAA is even trying to hide that it's just sue-happy right now. Even people who haven't heard about the whole downloading bruhaha are starting to notice and think the RIAA is a bunch of idiots. That has to be effecting the industry, but does the RIAA even seem to consider the possibility? If they have, they sure don't act like it.

Warez works the same way. (4, Insightful)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724801)

I generally use warez groups to find out about new software or software I didn't know existed. I try it, if it's good I buy it. As a software developer I find it extraordinarily hypocritical that people will steal (illegally copy) software but want others to pay for their offering.

I would have never purchased the Adobe Design Collection if I hadn't been able to learn to use Photoshop, InDesign and Acrobat Forms first. I have yet to use Illustrator but Freehand is easier for me, and I'm too busy to pick up that old book I bought.

I have a policy at my company that if you use a piece of software to enhance your productivity and contribute to your job, you will get it. Hell, I've even bought WinRAR, Textpad and VuePrint (which readily have keygen's available).

This is why I think the "stealing music" slant is bullshit. How are you supposed to hear new music when Clear Channel owns 1/2 the radio stations and someone else owns the other 1/2? File Sharing. I buy every CD I have an mp3 for because honestly I make too much money to waste my time trying to decrypt the slang used to name songs. Not to mention my bandwidth, etc. A $11.99 CD is well worth the time savings.

The RIAA, etc need to pull their heads out of their asses and learn that people like to test drive a product before they buy. I cannot imagine buying a car without trying it out. Why should music be any different?

Re:Warez works the same way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724840)

The RIAA, etc need to pull their heads out of their asses and learn that people like to test drive a product before they buy. I cannot imagine buying a car without trying it out. Why should music be any different?

Do you try out your chewgums as well before buying them? Underwear? ....?

Re:Warez works the same way. (2, Funny)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724869)

Lol, chewgums?

Obviously this wouldn't apply to MATERIAL goods that are single or limited use. But to goods that are available to be used long term (music CDs, cars, etc...) it is very useful.

BTW I guess you don't try on clothes, shoes, or anything else you buy. Simply walk in, pick it up, and leave. Doubtful.

Re:Warez works the same way. (1)

Advan (761361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724879)

It's good to see an indidual with some integrity in the world today, to actually go out and buy a product instead of just cracking it. Trouble is, not everyone is like that. In fact, a good bunch of people aren't like that. Why would they go out and buy something they can get for free? I'm sure that if someone could testdrive that car then take it home without having to pay for it, they'd do that in a heartbeat. That's not to degrade the portion of people that do buy after downloading. It just seems, to me anyway, that they're fairly rare.

Re:Warez works the same way. (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724909)

The problem is the people that would use a keygen wouldn't buy it anyway. With non-material goods there is not any physical loss. That is the difference in taking a car and copying a string of digital bits. It doesn't deprive the owner of the copyright from selling it again and again.

The music industry just needs to release every song at 96kbps bit rate (92 or whatever decent is) and let people listen for free. If they want to buy 192kbs or higher sell it to them. It's not rocket science, it's common sense. However, common sense rarely applies to our societies.

Re:Warez works the same way. (3, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724931)

I cannot imagine buying a car without trying it out

Expect you have permission from the car dealer to take the car for a test drive first. If not I'm sure you'll be hearing from the police in short order.

Point being there is nothing that says they have to let you test drive a car. Of course they wouldn't sell many cars if they didn't but there is no law on the books that says they have to.

I'd like to see iTunes let me hear the full version of the song before I buy it -- not just a random 30 second clip. Do you know how many songs I've bought only to find out it was a different friggen version then the one I know and like? If they are worried about piracy they could broadcast these demos in really low-quality (mono-only perhaps?). If someone really likes it he is going to pay the $0.99 anyway -- why waste your time stealing a lower quality copy?

Ditto for the little Kisoks at Barnes and Noble. WTF is the reason to limit them to 30 seconds? Do they think people are going to tape record them with a hidden microphone or something?

They don't care if filesharing helps sales (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724811)

It's not interesting that they are suing at all. If filesharing helped music sales increase 1000% they still would be suing filesharers. They care about control of the media not sales. Filesharing is a threat to their business because filesharing makes their class of middleman obsolete. If artists release their music over kazaa what purpose would RIAA members serve?

fud (4, Insightful)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724828)

"The message is the same," Dixon says. "You cannot put someone's music on the Internet without permission. That's theft."... Microsoft, Coca-Cola and British retailer HMV operate online European music services with limited selection and arcane usage rules.

*sigh* some people never learn...or they knowingly choose to use stronger language to frighten (or terrorize in today's overused parlance) the masses into submission.

And I don't want to fuckin' have to think twice every time I want to listen to the same music in my car, on my computer or on my living room. Is it that difficult to understand?

Phew! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724843)

At first I read International Federation of the Pornographic Industry

Re:Phew! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724997)

yeah, so did the fucking other first 20 posters,

Find like post first asshole before you fucking post.

God these dick weeds

Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

Why the fuck should we have to wait to fucking minutes...God damn mother fuckers i want to post it fucking NOW

Really, no-one else did! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725011)

If so, we would have seen someone comment on that at one point.

no science (2, Insightful)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724866)

The timing of the international legal attacks is especially interesting in light of the recent study that indicates file-sharing has a negligible impact on music sales."

I share music with wild abandon, and think the lawsuits are BS, but you're basing this on one NON peer reviewed study that, if you read the PDF file linked from yesterday's story, makes some rather dubious assumptions.

I, for one, welcome our new IFPI Overlords! (0, Redundant)

slipnslidemaster (516759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724868)

I, for one, welcome our new IFPI Overlords!

How much compensation? (3, Insightful)

Cooper_007 (688308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724874)

asking them to stop illegal file-sharing and pay compensation - or face legal action.

I wonder if the IFPI will be asking equally ludicrous amounts as the RIAA has.

The chairman's quote seems rather funny in this context though:
"People are at real risk of being sued or prosecuted if they continue to rip off those who make music."
Pot. Kettle. Black. I guess he's got a good lawyer...

Cooper
--
This truth probably doesn't come as shocking news to any of you,
and if it does then you're stupid and I hate you.
- Everything Can Be Beaten -

Oh Crap... (0, Redundant)

Bobman1235 (191138) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724888)

AP and many others report that the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

I gotta stop reading so quickly, I thought they were suing over stolen PORNOGRAPHY..... that was a close one....

Good to see that the CRIA still doesnt get it. (1, Interesting)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724900)

They waived their rights to sue people who use file sharing to steal music.

Yes it's stelling and yes it's wrong but the levy counts as cost recovery in other words if they sue they cant ask for money since they have already been compensated for their loss.

But i guess someone would have to explain that to them.

Not as easy in europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724907)

We don't have the DMCA over here, so they're are going to have a much harder time getting convictions.
If it turns out that I'm one of these 247, I will not crumble ... I plan on fighting their tyranny in court.

a bit off-topic (3, Insightful)

PYves (449297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724913)

I was wondering if there were any statistics between RIAA's drop in sales and independant labels' increase in sales.

Not ever record label in the states is an RIAA member, and to be honest, since I started downloading mp3s, I've bought more cds but nearly all of them were from non-RIAA members (not as protest, but because that's the music I like!)

I don't think the RIAA could even come after me for trading these files, since it's not even their intellectual property :P

Are record companies loosing or winning? (1)

bitchell (159219) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724927)

I don't get it. On one hand we here stories that say that downloading isn't harming CD sales. Time after time we see the sales of albums going up. It was even reported here yesturday that thats the case.

But on the other had we see that EMI is making 1500+ people redundant and dropping a shed load of artists.

Whatever. (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724930)

Sue the world if you will, I still won't buy from the people you represent. Also, I saw a Swedish IFPI-representative on the news this morning and she said that they (Swedish branch) wouldn't get involved in litigation just yet.

On a positive note (for music-distribution-done-right lovers), the forthcoming album of Machinae Supremacy [machinaesupremacy.com] (1:st of May release date) will open for pre-orders tomorrow at distributor MBD Records [mbdrecords.com] .

In other news ... (0)

LittleBigLui (304739) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724932)

In other news, the IFPI announced that for their Second Wave they plan to eradicate all illegal file sharing from all major US cities, starting with Los Angeles.

(The second season of 24 is running over here at the moment, so to me that joke seems hilarious.)

What are they suing for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724934)

This seems a bit confusing when you're dealing with so many jurisdictions. I've seen reports that say downloading music, but it must be uploading because even in the US it's questionable whether downloading is really copyright infringement.
If they're only going after uploaders, then I think the whole thing is completely doomed to failure as if it wouldn't be otherwise. The reason is that I seriously do not believe that Kazaa is genuinely decentralized. I think the answer to that questions really depends on who's asking and the truth is that there are well placed Kazaa funded servers filled with massive data stashes that aren't going to go down and there's no way to prove they exist because they're paying decent sysadmins to keep it that way.
And if that's the case, all these guys can do is ruin their public image bashing their heads against the wall and paying lots of lawyers salaries.

I'm sooo scared :O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724935)

I'm so scared. But they don't own the internet so they can kiss my ass. Get out of the internet!

Study results do not make it legal! (5, Interesting)

morzel (62033) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724937)

Repeat after me: just because the study proved that filesharing does not have a noticeable impact on CD sales does not make it legal!

Copyright law in many countries prevents you from distributing somebody elses work, plain and simple. These people are not being sued because they had some kind of tangible impact on sales, but because they were distributing copyrighted material to anybody (ie: nothing to do with fair use rights here).

These are the people that are making it bloody hard for the rest of us to get non-crippled CDs, because the recording industry thinks this is the way to fight them (which it incidentally is not, but that's a whole different story).

I'm glad the record industry is suing, because this is the way copyright conflicts should be dealt with: in court. Not with half-assed technological countermeasures that are making it a pain for the rest of us, and certainly not with lobbying legislation that will obliterate 'fair use' for their works.

For crying out loud (4, Insightful)

Underholdning (758194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724943)

Damnit - I need to get this off my chest. If this much effort was put into catching the real criminals of the internet (spammers, child pornographers etc) the net would be a much better and safer place. All this is just due to a huge lobby and a horde of overpaid lawyers. I refuse to recognize this as problem worthy of this many ressources.
Ok - I'll get off my soapbox now. Sorry for the rant.

Re:For crying out loud (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725020)


well that's fine and great and all, but, as more perceptive people might point out to you, gently (as you seem to be harmless in a helen lovejoy sort of way)--the problems that you discuss involve _different_ resources altogether.

boycott (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8724966)

The news says that file shairing has resulted in increase in the sales of CDs.

1) I suggest a boycott for all music CDs buy these industries. Money they are after, money they should not get.

2) Install Freenet on every PC you have. Lets see what they will do about that.

Stop making cars! (1)

rainwadj (58293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8724993)

...you're killing our buggywhip sales.

If they have the cohones ex-USSR is next. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8725008)

Where is the "In russia blah...blah...blah" perenial post when you need a good laugh.

Thanks to Napster/Kazaa (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 10 years ago | (#8725031)

Thanks to Napster/Kazaa, I purchase more CDs

Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
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