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'Sneak Preview' of SUSE 9.1

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the better-than-okra dept.

SuSE 190

Roblimo writes "SUSE 9.1 won't be out until May, but Joe Barr got access to a 'secret' beta download and tried it out. He liked some of what he saw, and found things he didn't like, too, but is willing to overlook some of the negatives because, he points out, 'This is a beta. Bugs are expected. Work will be done before it goes gold.' The review's at Linux.com." Linux.com and Slashdot are both part of OSDN.

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Goodbye horses my love (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748854)

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Re:Goodbye horses my love (-1, Offtopic)

Keck (7446) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748883)

Please mod -100, "Fuggin Nasty", "Just Plain Wrong", "goatse.cx for the new millenium"

Moderator Abuse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749440)

Parent is not a troll - those warnings are valid. That's some sick shit.

Hey... (-1, Offtopic)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748866)

I'm not a sneak, you insensitive clod!

Awesome Photo Cute Girls NOT Goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

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idiot (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749360)

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bush knew - and you know it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748878)

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The Problem With Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748888)

Linus Torvalds developed Linux while he was attending university in Finland. A decade later, Linux has gone nowhere but limited to geeks and obscure users.

Why has Linux not made it big time? The reason to this is because Linux developers and users do not have social lives, and most of them were beat up in high school for their interest in computers. I was a high school jock myself, and I spent a lot of time washing my school's geeks' faces in toilets and had them write my homework. The same tactic was used in college, where I managed to graduate with a 3.2 GPA all because of having someone else do my work.

Most of these geeks that I tormented in the past are now Linux developers, and the majority of them pretty much never leave their apartment except for work and maybe the odd family event, which is probably the closest they have to outside human interaction.

I currently work as a notable figure in state politics, and I make over $90,000 a year. Most of the now Linux developers I tormented barely make it past rent.

So quit trying to make Linux better, build some muscles, and get your once fellow kind to do your work, because if you do so, you'll end up like me.

Re:The Problem With Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748946)

You forgot the other reason Linux has made it nowhere: it flat out sucks.

Re:The Problem With Linux (2, Funny)

boy_afraid (234774) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749086)

I currently work as a notable figure in state politics, and I make over $90,000 a year. Most of the now Linux developers I tormented barely make it past rent.

Actually, that is the exception. All the fellow geeks I know, including myself, make more than your paultry (he he, tee hee) $90K. I scoff at your pay, it is WE who have the power. I pity you. Oh, and that pay doesn't include the extra money I make by whoring myself out for side jobs.

Re:The Problem With Linux (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749099)

By "power", you must mean "constantly tethered to a pager which goes off multiple times a night and bound by SLAs written by lawyers which contractually make me the world's bitch".

Whoring? (2, Funny)

baudilus (665036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749126)

A / S / L?

SuSE? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748890)

Shouldn't we be supporting an american company (a southern company, even) from NC, like RedHat?

Re:SuSE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748927)

Shouldn't we be supporting an american company?

Why the fuck would I want to support an American company? I've never even set foot on the American continent.

Besides, I thought Novell *was* an American company.

Re:SuSE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749038)

Note to the geography tard:

There are two American continents

Re:SuSE? (1)

Tatarize (682683) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749214)

Well I personally would only give my $0.00 for linux to an American company!

Re:SuSE? (0, Flamebait)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748938)

I "was" a redhat fan. But I find it hard to stick to them after the free release became fecesdora.

And I am not the only one...

Re:SuSE? (1, Insightful)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749032)

??? What's wrong with Fedora?

I run it without flaws. And I must say the most impressive distro ever. At least from Gnome user view point.

I can hardly wait FC2. SELinux, Gnome2.6, Kernel2.6.... :):):)

Even beta2 runs almost perfectly without SELinux, with SELinux there are unfinished policy settings and unwanted restrictions which might cause some problems, so it's not yet for production

Re:SuSE? (1)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749231)

Does FC2-test2 have an install-time option to skip SELinux? I've been looking at other distros because test1 and the development tree leading to test2 had SELinux and I found it totally horrid to have on a personal desktop.

Re:SuSE? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749482)

I known this is unsolicited advice but try not being so much of a 'fan' and more of a normal person. That is, don't let your emotions determine which distro you want to run but instead focus on the real differences between them. For example, it would only take a short period of time to install SuSE, Fedora, Mandrake, and Knoppix (and any of the other live CD distros) and then you could choose one based off of actual experience and not loyalty.

Re:SuSE? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748975)


haha Linus Torvalds is American now ? he needs to work more on the accent but the fat thing is improving

Much Needed (2, Interesting)

artlu (265391) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748892)

I have never been a huge SUSE fan because of their somewhat commercialized attitude, and based on the screenshots from the article it looks like this version is going to be no exception. However, if it gets more linux users on the wagon, go for it!

My $0.02.

Re:Much Needed (-1, Offtopic)

Trolling4Columbine (679367) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748924)

You could have saved some words and simply said "It's good because it's not Windows."

Re:Much Needed (1)

danidude (672839) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749022)

I have never been a huge SUSE fan because of their somewhat commercialized attitude

They are a for profit bussiness, what did you expect?

Re:Much Needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749374)

Thank you for another content-free post.

Oh, yea, sneak preview, posted on /. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748898)


I hope you guys get your co-op dollars...

Just say no to OSNews (5, Interesting)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748902)

Mod me offtopic, but I for one, welcome a review from someone other than OSNews. Why? Because I want a review containing real information, not gripes about screen antialiasing, the (in)ability to compile packages, and GRUB vs. LILO flamewars.

Yeah... (5, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749075)

...heaven forbid someone complain about something non-techies consider important, like poor anti-aliasing, the inability to compile packages, and the usability of GRUB and LILO.

I read a review once where Eugenia complained about the spacing between menus. Yes, believe it or not, those are things that graphics designers would care about because it has to do with subtle factors in user interaction.

But, go ahead and stick to the reviews that are techie-only if you wanna.

Re:Yeah... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749128)

Bwa ha ha ha! Eugenia's a graphics designer? LOL. Just for that, I will post this:
Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's gridning the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the monitor.


"N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"

Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, asscrack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.

"Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.

The hour of judgement approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."

"YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherant broken English. She's on a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.

Re (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749224)

Damn truth.

Re:Yeah... (3, Informative)

kkirk007 (304967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749316)

99% of this article is complaining about configuring Gnome under SUSE. The average "non-techie" that you're jumping up to defend doesn't care whether their desktop is KDE or Gnome, so long as it works.

The system, aside from the small fonts on install, ran very well.

I agree with you though, I'd like to see some usability reviews from the POV of a non-techie. Especially considering ESR's recent criticism [slashdot.org] of Linux usability.

Re:Yeah... (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749338)

Here's a secret few people know: users aren't any more omniscient than developers. Particularly when it comes to usability. Users don't want usability, they want familiarity.

This is especially true with OSNews reviews. This is the place where you get reviews from Mandrake users saying "Fedora sucks because it isn't Mandrake. And where you get reviews from Fedora users saying "Mandrake sucks because it isn't Mandrake."

Re:Just say no to OSNews (-1, Offtopic)

andih8u (639841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749076)

I'm surprised /. could find time to post a review in the midst of all of the usual "the government is out to oppress you" / "miscrosoft sucks" banter. Someone must have told michael he had to post at least 3 real technology stories a day or he was fired.

Can we have some too? (2, Insightful)

baudilus (665036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748908)

It would be nice if they offered the beta version for public use, eh?

I prefer GNOME, so I guess we'll have to wait until the release. I'll share the ISOs too, I'll just strap on my backpack [slashdot.org] and share the wealth!

Re:Can we have some too? (3, Insightful)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749094)

I doubt it will be much different than suse 9.0 with the 2.6.4 kernel and a few updated packages.

Im currently running SUSE 9.0 with the suse 2.6.4 kernel, and Ximian Desktop Unstable (Gnome 2.6 :)) and its a pretty sweet desktop combination, unfortunately SUSE 9.0 doesnt handle wireless that well, and some hotplugging functionality got lost when I upgraded it to 2.6.4.

Here's looking forward to 9.1

"Dumbing" Down? (4, Insightful)

sirmikester (634831) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748919)

The next least favorite thing for me was the dumbing down of menus to a single choice of application, especially when I found myself disagreeing with the choice in almost every instance.

I don't think a new user of a linux system would mind having some simple defaults to choose for. Since SUSE is aiming to please more than just hard core linux enthusiasts, I think that having a single choice is important.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (4, Interesting)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748957)

  • I don't think a new user of a linux system would mind having some simple defaults to choose for. Since SUSE is aiming to please more than just hard core linux enthusiasts, I think that having a single choice is important.
The only thing bad about this is having only a single choice for apps is very much a Microsoft mind-set. We want to see Linux to succeed, but I don't think any of us want to see Novell/SuSE turn begin acting/thinking like Microsoft. There are ways to give choice while providing easy single options. For instance the first time you log in, a script could ask if you'd like to change what programs you use for chat/E-mail/Web Browsing/etc. If you're more familiar with Linux and have preferences you'd say yes and pick out your favs. If you're a newbie, or just don't care, you'd say no and get the default options. I doubt this would be terribly hard to do, and shouldn't confuse new users.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (5, Insightful)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749148)

For instance the first time you log in, a script could ask if you'd like to change what programs you use for chat/E-mail/Web Browsing/etc.

Considering that this edition is aimed at least partially at first-time users... how do you expect them to know?

Computer: "Do you want to use Firefox or Galeon?"
User: WTF? This is weird... I just want to get the internet...

After all, its not as if they can't add other software in the future. Its like the classic Microsoft Help question, "This is the first time you've used help. What sort of database do you want me to build?" Meaningless and intrusive. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and giving unnecessary choices to the user is not the impression you want to make.

Remember, most people don't want to "use the computer." They just want to "get the TV listings," or "write a letter." Huge mindset difference.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (4, Insightful)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749481)

  • Considering that this edition is aimed at least partially at first-time users... how do you expect them to know?

    Computer: "Do you want to use Firefox or Galeon?"

    User: WTF? This is weird... I just want to get the internet...

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I agree that a question like that would confuse the hell out of newbies. What I had in mind was a question like:

Computer: "Would you like to choose a different program to browse the web with, or will the default be ok?"

except more of a single question that when you answered yes would take you to something to chose. If you said no, it'd just go away and that'd be that. Given that type of choice, most newbies would just accept the defaults, but power users could go in and tinker to their heart's content.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (0)

SwitchBitch (730257) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749490)

I agree with this wholeheartedly. But I guess the best solution would be to have two sets of user interfaces, one for the expert and one for the "first-time" users. We already have "expert" mode during installation, why not in the final user-interface also ?

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (1)

Daemonik (171801) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749498)

SuSE 'limiting' your choices? Oh that's funny, considering they have one of the largest distributions on the market. SuSE 9.0 fills an entire DVD before you add in the source files.

There is nothing wrong with giving people a default setup. If they aren't the most technical people too many choices will just scare them off and anyone who's interested can change the options at any time. This is NOT Microsoft-like lock-in.

Furthermore, SuSE/Novell are shooting for a corporate market and corporate markets do not want choice, they want a standard. Most sysadmins will further reduce the available choices even more.

Linux's greatest strength is that each distro can build out the features that meets their markets and skills, don't complain if their goals don't meet yours.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (4, Interesting)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748972)

Absolutely, but have both "Default" (Dummy) and "Advanced" (Geek) buttons on the first page, with something like "If you are new to Linux, click Default or expect problems". Just because you are making it easier for new users is no reason to assume everyone is...

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (3, Interesting)

mortenmo (95589) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749190)

The point is here (which some other people also pointed out) is that the personal edition is not for geeks. Geeks should buy the Professional "swiss-army" knife edition that got everything you could possibly want.

Personal should be for people who doesn't care or doesn't know enough to care; they just want to use the computer.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (4, Informative)

zurab (188064) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749494)

If you haven't used the recent (3.2+) versions of KDE, then you don't know what you are talking about or what that abomination of a "review" is probably referring to. In those recent versions of KDE, if there's only one item inside the menu group, then the sub-menu is not displayed. Rather, the name of the group is displayed and acts like a menu item that you can click on to run an app. When you do so, it runs an app that is the only entry under the menu group.

So, for example, if in the menu you have Internet->Chat group, and Chat group contains only Kopete entry under it, then when you click on K->Internet, the Chat entry will show up as an application item, rather than a sub-group, and clicking it will launch the only entry under it - Kopete. If you install more chat apps, or edit menu and add more entries under that group, then it will display as a sub-group.

What was to be expected anyway? KDE desktop with GNOME defaults? Did he expect GNOME to have KDE and QT app defaults? Did I mention the "review" was abysmal?

As far as I know, SUSE 9.1 is supposed to include the new KDEfied OpenOffice, better quickstarter, new KOffice. Is 2.6 kernel faster? How does OO.org look? Did the "reviewer" do anything other than try to click on the SUSE website links, documenting every banner ad and pop-up, and try to install xchat? What kind of a "review" is that?

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (0, Flamebait)

Trolling4Columbine (679367) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749006)

But remember, from the perspective of your average pretentious Linux zealot, anything that makes Linux easier to use is an attack on the open source religion.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (1)

Arch-out (710539) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749036)

I believe that you are correct. As long as choices can be easly added this is a "good thing"

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (1)

jtwJGuevara (749094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749052)

Given the fact that both Novell and HP are pushing SuSE for the desktop, providing simple choices and not alot of options makse sense. In fact, SuSE as a distribution may not even try to please hardcore linux enthusiasts a single bit in the near future if both organizations are intent on making it sell as an alternative to Windows for your everyday Joe Sixpack and ESR's Aunt Tillie...

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (1)

Kindaian (577374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749168)

Just add a property for the menu options to change the "default app" for that kind of app...

A bit like windows have in that featured add/remove programs tab that appears after the instalation of a SP...

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (1)

coats (1068) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749309)

Better would be to have a choice between menu systems that the user can make easily fromthe control panel: something like the following set of choices would be appropriate:
  • Simple Menus (GNOME)
  • Simple Menus (KDE)
  • Full Menus (GNOME)
  • Full Menus (KDE)
  • List absolutely everything

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (2, Funny)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749505)

The year is 2104. The system is SuSE 99.1. Here is the conversation:

Joe: "Why is there only a single choice of application in every category?"

Bob: "Because we've always done it that way!"

Joe: "But why have we've always done it that way? There must be a reason."

Bob: "Because new users of Linux systems want simple defaults."

Joe: "New users? What new users? We've had in-utero Linux training for twenty years now! The average age of LCSEs is six!"

Bob: "They might want to thaw Ballmer out of cryo someday, and then we would have a new user."

Joe: "Ballmer? Isn't that the guy who invented the phrase 'having a single choice is important'?"

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749536)

Don't be fooled, this isn't funny.

Re:"Dumbing" Down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749614)

Love the sig!

Why should I care what an actor says about anything other than acting?

K.I.S.S. (1)

MolecularBear (469572) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749559)

Since SUSE is aiming to please more than just hard core linux enthusiasts, I think that having a single choice is important.

Exactly, the novice user does not want to choose between a bunch of applications that have obscure names. I remember when I did my first linux install years ago and I was confronted with the choice: KDE or Gnome. I was new to linux, I didn't know wtf "KDE" or "Gnome" was. Even if the user is familiar with using a computer, they aren't going to understand the distinctions between Linux, SuSE, and KDE. And as another poster mentioned, they sure as hell aren't going to know what Konqueror or Galeon is. If SuSE wants to go after the general desktop market, they need to be a simplistic as possible. And hey, if you're an advanced linux user then you should be running Gentoo anyway... *runs*

2 paragraphs is a "review" ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748928)


thanks for the "note"

Re:2 paragraphs is a "review" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748961)

That was my thought, too.

Interesting screenshot (5, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748930)

The "My Computer" icon shows Tux sitting in front of what could only be... an iMac. Is this somebody's idea of a joke? A peek at Novell/Suse's long-range goals? A rogue OS-X-boosting employee waiting to be slapped down? Inquiring minds....

Re:Interesting screenshot (1)

donbrock (705779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749019)

My God, you're right!

Re:Interesting screenshot (2, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749184)

Does SUSE make a PowerPC edition? If so it's not unreasonable to think someone could install it on an iMac. At least they didn't use an aluminum G5 case as the icon.

Re:Interesting screenshot (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749620)

Does SUSE make a PowerPC edition?

From the latest FAQ:
Will there be a PPC edition of SUSE LINUX 9.0?
No, sorry!

Re:Interesting screenshot (1)

ztirffritz (754606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749577)

Suse is one of only a handful of PPC distros for Linux. I haven't tried their PPC version yet, but I do have Yellow Dog Linux running on my old Rev A iMac. I think that Mandrake also has a PPC distro. Linux allowed me to squeeze another year or two out of it before I turn it into a maquarium.

SUSE 9.1 Professional (4, Informative)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748931)

He doesn't say whether he reviewed SUSE 9.1 Personal or Professional.

Fact is, it sounds like he reviewed SUSE Personal which is geared to novice users and with the "one task, one app" philosophy. No wonder it has only KDE and various spit-and-polish suitable for novices. By cutting out the cruft SUSE because all the more usable for this demographic.

Fact is, Joe Barr isn't a novice user so he's going around looking for stuff that isn't there. SUSE 9.1 Personal provices a swiss-army knife selection of choices including GNOME. So he should use Professional instead of Personal if that's what he's looking for.

Re:SUSE 9.1 Professional (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748989)

Argh various typos. What I meant to say is that SUSE Personal goes with the less is more philosphy, while SUSE Professional goes with the swiss-army knife policy.

Basically, pick your poison. It sounds like Joe Barr made the wrong choice and is unjustly ranting about it.

Re:SUSE 9.1 Professional (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749030)

You got the name wrong. The name is "SUSE 9.1 Home" not "SUSE 9.1 Personal".

Re:SUSE 9.1 Professional (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749352)

this is the professional

JDS? (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748940)

Suse and GNOME? It will probably end up being a lot like Java Desktop System. The demo CD of JDS I've tried is niiice. It's fast, smooth, and even detects 3D hardware automatically. I have not once been to the console in it or experienced an unexpected crash.

likes? (3, Interesting)

viniosity (592905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748944)

After RTFA I can't say I saw much of what he liked about 9.1. "The next least favorite thing for me.."

I've never used SuSE before but, beta or no, this hardly encourages me to give it a try. Not that that's so bad.. there's a distro for everyone after all.. still I would have liked to hear more about the integration of Ximian and SuSE under Novell's stewardship.

Remember it's beta (1)

arevos (659374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749242)

SuSE 9.0, which I'm using now, doesn't suffer from any of the problems listed. My guess is that they'll polish a lot of it up, unless they don't want people to upgrade from 9.1.

But yep, apart from a few interesting features, I couldn't see what was so great about it. I'll probably upgrade when it comes out, though. Assuming all the bugs have been fixed and the quality of the distro is as professional and smooth as usual.

The pop-up ads and banners mentioned was decidedly annoying though. Very, very bad policy, as the article says. I hadn't noticed before, as I've never had a need to visit the portal.

Re:likes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749627)

"...this hardly encourages me to give it a try."
My thought too. The review is a turn-off. Not that it qualifies as a review - it barely scratched the surface. But why is SuSE releasing anything in such a premature state - assuming it is an approved pre-release? They should know that a lot of people now will take a second look at SuSE because of Novell,GNOME,Ximian,Mono,etc. And you do not get a third chance on a second impression.

Woo woo. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748977)

From the screenshots, it looks like they were playing "Lets see how many places we can put the chameleon!". Personally, I consider that a powerful and useful feature. Hurrah to SuSE for more good product. Were I a KDE man, I'd be running it right now, likely.

How To Get A Story Accepted (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748980)

Reference an OSDN site. Works everytime.

Re:How To Get A Story Accepted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749077)

Or be a Slashdot editor [slashdot.org]

How Fair... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8748984)

Someone looks at a beta and it gets mentioned that "bugs will be fixed before it goes gold." If someone sees a leaked Microsoft beta, however, they say how awful it is that bugs are still in it. Ahh, hypocrisy...

Re:How Fair... (0)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749552)

That's not hypocrisy you dolt, it's discrimination.

Unable to resist... (4, Funny)

panurge (573432) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748990)

Well, now IBM is chummying up to Novell who now own SuSe (how long will the umlaut last?) and planning open source processors to run Linux, the Grand Plan is coming to fruition.

OS X for creative types under the sky
Solaris for server farms in halls of stone
Windows for mortal men doomed to die
Linux for Big Blue on his deep blue throne
In the land of East Fishkill where the big fabs lie.
Suse to package it, Reiser to file it
Novell to service it, Gnu to compile it
In the land of East Fishkill where the big fabs lie

Dumkopf! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749637)

how long will the umlaut last?

There no umlaut in SuSE. (acronym == Software und System Entwicklung)

light on details (5, Interesting)

kbrannen (581293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8748991)

Ok, it's a beta; but could we have a few more details? #1 on my list is: What's it like with the 2.6 kernel?

Closely followed by how is the driver scene and hardware compatibility list is, what X version is being used, and so on.

The hard thing will be having to wait for this release. :-) If it's coming out in early May in Germany, it'll be the 3rd or 4th week of May before it gets to the US. Or at least that's how it's been historically. It'll be interesting to see if Novell's recent ownership changes that.

Re:light on details (1)

RaymondR (723881) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749104)

Short on details indeed.
The only things mentioned are default programs and desktop managers.

The screenshot is very nice, though. I wonder if I can get that theme for my version of KDE. :D

Glad to see SUSE/Novell still backing KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749041)

As a KDE man, I'm glad to see that SUSE/Novell is still a compelling choice with KDE fans, while Red Hat provides GNOME for GNOME fans.

I'll definitely be sticking with SUSE as my distribution of choice now.

PowerPC (2, Interesting)

Goo.cc (687626) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749048)

Does SUSE still make a PowerPC version of their OS? I seem to remember one being announced but I didn't see it in their online store.

Re:PowerPC (1)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749087)

They Don't have a PPC version but they have a VERY nice x86_64 Version

Re:PowerPC (1)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749182)

I believe that's only avaiable under the Pro/Enterprise pricing, not under the Personal edition

Yawn... (2, Funny)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749054)

...Yet Another KDE vs Gnome and Dependency Hell Article. Can't call it a review, contrary to the billing....
Personally, I prefer KDE, but that's like saying I prefer dental surgery with a hammer and chisel vs. brain surgery with the same implements.

Installing Gnome on SuSe (4, Informative)

Tarantolato (760537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749063)

It's relatively painless if you do the Ximian Red Carpet install from the Ximian site.

Re:Installing Gnome on SuSe (1)

boudie (704942) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749143)

...or so the Germans would have us believe.

Re:Installing Gnome on SuSe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749428)

With Gnome 2.6 just released, that's like saying "upgrade" to the 2.2 kernel.
Not only it's outdated, they should use the SuSE programs menu instead of their minimal set.

This review.. (3, Insightful)

jvagner (104817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749103)

..doesn't bother to explicate what makes SUSE any different from any other distro. Why not Fedora, or Mandrake? What makes SUSE, well, SUSE?

He never says.

Re:This review.. (2, Insightful)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749591)

You're too kind. This "review" provides no information at all. I'd like to hear about hardware integration, how well the distro specific tools worked and how well they fit with the desktop environment. This is just a brief story about one guy trying to make SUSE as much into Fedora as he could. All he says is "it came with KDE, so I installed GNOME, and it didn't go smoothly, but this was a beta anyway, bye."

Re:This review.. (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749592)

4 letters: YAST

Of course, the review was just a report of missing dependencies that could happen in a beta, and how the user disliked some of the choices taken by the distribution. Most of the "good" things of the distribution (yast, how gnome apps integrates in kde or special packages that it could include, manuals or packaging, installation process describing anything that wasn't the time it took) is missing from the article.

Review? (2, Informative)

trtmrt (638828) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749134)

This guy just installed SuSE 9.1 without Gnome (his choice) and then complained about not having Gnome and Gnome applications!? I have installed SuSE 8.0 and 8.2 (both home and pro) a couple of times and never had any problems installing Gnome (I prefer KDE but install Gnome just in case). I don't think it's very likely that they would brake YaST so bad that you can't install Gnome. Yes, it complains about dependencies but it resolves them and installs everything you need. SuSE is by far the easiest OS I have had to install (well apart from a bizzare NIC problem...).

Re:Review? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749238)

No, he installed without Gnome because he
could NOT install with Gnome due to dependency
issues.

I hope the SPCA doesn't find out... (1)

Johnny Doughnuts (767951) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749154)

that it doesn't say that if any chameleons were hurt in the making of SuSE 9.1...

SuSE is commerical - and that's good. (3, Insightful)

DR SoB (749180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749205)

The Linux community _needs_ a vendor that is commerical based, it helps spread the word. I recently attended SHARE in L.A. and the only Linux retailer there was SuSE.

SHARE is mostly a mainframe conference but since z/OS (and s/390) now supports omvs (Unix System Services) it makes sense to start pushing more Linux.

I can recommend SuSE to some of my less technical friends and they will see that it's easy, and has good commerical support.

My two cents... (1)

airrage (514164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749248)

I have only install Linux once; sometime ago. This is not about Linux, but about my thought on interfaces. There has been a few slashdot articles recently about it. But it's funny how we are standardizing in some respects: clock lower right with other current running program icons. Start somewhere left, with a menu of some sort. Upper left Icons concerning Networking, My Computer, etc.

I guess it's really that it's like the phone. The design is so simple and elegant that it's hard to radically change something so right from a design perspective. I guess regardless of OS we have some general sense of where things should go on the real-estate. I think this is, as Martha would say, a good thing.

Really Dumb Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749264)

How do you pronounce Suse? I've never seen it anywhere...

Re:Really Dumb Question (4, Informative)

iiioxx (610652) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749595)

How do you pronounce Suse? I've never seen it anywhere...

Soo-SEH.

What a Rant (5, Insightful)

adler187 (448837) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749282)

I really didnt like this review. He complained that the menus were too simple. I have used SUSE since 8.0 and am currently running 9. As far as the menu's go in 9, if you only have 1 app of a certain type, it defaults to renaming that app to whatever type it is. For example, in a default install you will only have Konquerer for a browser, so when you go to Internet->Web Browser, it will launch Konq. Now if you have Mozilla installed too, Web Brower will become a sub menu containing both Konq and Mozilla.

One way to get around the small font in the install he complained about was to change the resolution. Before you hit enter at the install bootloader, hit F3 (i think) and it will give you a list of resolutions to use. The menu is located at the bottom of the bootloader. He also complained that it didnt come with the stuff he wanted. Well cry me a river because you are a little more advanced than their target audience and are too lazy to install and configure the apps to your liking.

Also, in YAST there is an autocheck dependencies which should automatically resolve all dependencies when installing things, so he shouldn't have had to figure out what was not making his GNOME install. Maybe it is disabled for some reason in the beta, or maybe he didn't see the checkbox down there?

Maybe he should complain less and use the system more.

I've said it before ... (2, Interesting)

DrugCheese (266151) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749608)

And I'll say it untill something else replaces the fact that SuSE is the best all around distribution. From linux newbies looking to switch from windows for the very first time to system administrators needing to drop in a box here or there that they can setup and never think about again.

And if they need to think about it again they can remote administer it through YAST or SuSE's desktop sharing.

JOE BARR??? WTF (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8749623)

PLEASE /. editors: don't take shit reviews from Joe Barr as slashdot material. He is a complete idiot.

I have a question about SuSE (1)

ainsoph (2216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8749656)

I mainly use Gentoo on my machines, but I am looking @ this new SuSE as a possiblility for my main laptop.

I havent used SuSE since version 6.

One thing that really bugs me about the commerical distros is updating major packages, like say KDE. I tend to live on the bleeding edge and like to muck around trying new things when I have the time. I also like to keep my KDE as up to date as possible.

If I were to try out this new SuSE (I am curious about how far its come along since the last version I used), how easy is it to do major upgrades of packages. IE: living on the edge beyond what SuSE churns out?
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