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Simpsons Actors on Strike

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the but-we-need-them-to-live dept.

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ameoba writes "The next season of The Simpsons is in doubt as the voice talent is on strike due to a pay dispute. Fifteen seasons of some of the greatest prime-time TV around seems worth the money to me. ."

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quote (5, Funny)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755620)

"In this production, we obey the laws of capitalism"

Re:quote (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755717)

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Re:quote (-1, Offtopic)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755745)

yes

Don't die (5, Insightful)

chris-johnson (45745) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755621)

It would really suck for the Simpsons to disappear, like so many other great cartoons (e.g., Family Guy & Futurama) because of Fox's short-sight

Re:Don't die (5, Interesting)

zerv (766793) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755654)

There may still be hope [usatoday.com] for the family guy.

Re:Don't die (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755668)

Fox's short-sight? Then why don't you pay up and make it continue, slashdot monkey?

Re:Don't die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755675)

It would really suck for the Simpsons to disappear, like so many other great cartoons (e.g., Family Guy & Futurama) because of Fox's short-sight

It would really suck for the end of an interesting post to disappear, like so many +5 NO CARRIER replies, because of the poster's short-sight

Re:Don't die (0, Redundant)

JoeBaldwin (727345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755731)

It's not really Fox's short sightedness, it's the cast being greedy fucks.

Re:Don't die (5, Informative)

Omega1045 (584264) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755787)

Why do you say this? The Simpsons, season after season, is a top 20 show. Look at some of the other shows of this caliber, and see what their actors are making. Think about Friends. While that show is usually a top 5 show, I think the two are comparable for the money they make from first run, syndication, products, etc. The 6 friends stars make A LOT more money than the talented cast of the Simpsons.

As far as their market worth goes, I think that Fox can pay them what they are asking. It is still a fraction of what the stars of many other shows are getting [go.com] .

MOD PARENT UP! (1)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755764)

Fox is notorious for doing stupid things like killing good programming and maniac, from-the-hip sensational "journalism".

It really makes you wonder what world the people who call the shots live in.

Re:Don't die (0, Troll)

thebes (663586) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755788)

I'm not sure that Family Guy and Futurama are in the same class as The Simpsons. The Simpsons developed to be much more of a well rounded sitcom. Family Guy had it's funny moments only because it was crude. Futurama is funny because it makes fun of human nature. The Simpsons really is a unique show in its own class.

Obvious (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755622)

D'oh!

could the fans help (2, Interesting)

isbhod (556556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755623)

seeing how fans have help to save Family Guy, even pitched in money to save FarScape (if even for only episode) and even FireFly, might it be possible to "pass the hat around" to give these people who have entertained us so much a little something back?

Re:could the fans help (-1, Flamebait)

eyeye (653962) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755633)

Are there any fans left?

The simpsons turned to shit a few years ago.

Re:could the fans help (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755662)

Huh? They make how much. That's right they make MILLIONS a year.

How much does an avarage person make, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. Why the hell do you want to reward the greed of some washed up voice actors (Let's face it Simpsons ain't what they used to be).

Man, I'd rather feed the poor and hungry or something, but that's just me.

Re:could the fans help (4, Insightful)

Hamhock (73572) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755676)

Please tell me that this is supposed to be funny. These guys make more in a half hour (6-8 hours of real work according to one of the articles) then I do 2 1/2 years. Not to mention the residuals they get from syndication, which I'm sure add up to a pretty penny. I think $125,000 an episode is plenty back.

Re:could the fans help (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755807)

what makes you think $125k an episode is "plenty"?

if you thought you were making your boss $10 million a year, would you be satisfied being paid $200k a year just because $200k is "plenty"?

Re:could the fans help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755778)

we help by watching the show, fox earns ad revenues based upon that. beyond that, why the fuck would i want to give $$ to people who are already millionaires?

Re:could the fans help (1)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755795)

Or Homer could have the Barney Rubble voice change

A thought. (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755624)

I wish I had their problems, only earning enough money to buy a small house every time I did a voice-over for a single episode. This strikes me in the same way that it did when I heard about the lead in The Sopranos grousing for more money, too. I understand about wanting a fair share of the pie, but where does it cross over into greed?

Dan Castellaneta is the voice of Homer but he is clearly no mug. Along with his five colleagues he believes the $125,000 he earns for each 30-minute episode does not reflect the true value of the characters.
The six core cast members are now demanding $360,000 (194,000) an episode or $8 million (4.3 million) for a 22-episode season, according to insiders.
*gag*

Communism and The Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755677)

Comrade Homer [onesolutionrevolution.de]

Re:A thought. (5, Informative)

(eternal_software) (233207) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755678)

And keep in mind, they did this previously. Back in 1998, they thought that $30,000 an episode wasn't enough, so they got raised to $125,000 PER EPISODE.

Apparently, that isn't enough money to get by on these days.

Re:A thought. (3, Insightful)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755682)

he believes the $125,000 he earns for each 30-minute episode does not reflect the true value of the characters.

it only represents the true value of the voice?

Re:A thought. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755685)

I wish I had their problems, only earning enough money to buy a small house every time I did a voice-over for a single episode.

pfffft ... $125k is a week's rent in the LA area

Re:A thought. (0, Redundant)

isbhod (556556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755686)

$8 million(4.3 million) for a season

well baseball players make 8 million for just putting on thier shoes. Now who's more important to you? Simpsons, or Baseball?

Re:A thought. (2, Interesting)

czion3 (612261) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755697)

You forget how much money The Simpsons takes in. The Simpsons is the show that put Fox on the map. The biggest reason why the show is a sucsess is because of the dialog. I DO think the actors are worth 360,000 to Fox.

Re:A thought. (4, Insightful)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755706)

>I understand about wanting a fair share of the pie, but where does it cross over into greed?

Is it greed because its a large absolute dollar value or becuase its a large dollar value compaired to what the producers/network make from the Simpsons?

Why is it greedy to ask for more money? Just because they can ask or just because someone says "Thats enough for you"?

Re:A thought. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755754)

I understand about wanting a fair share of the pie, but where does it cross over into greed?

It turns into "greed" (as you call it) when they come to the realization of how fucking immensely huge the pie is and and what a miniscule slice their hollywood animation overlords are giving them.

I suppose it's all fine and dandy when /. readers bitch about how much corporate executive overlords take home while their drones do all the work, but sheesh, let the voice actors who bring to life the characters who provide the obligatory Simpsons references found in almost every topic here on /. decide they want a pay raise and now those voice actors are being greedy pigs.

Next time any of you who think these voice actors are making enough at the moment go crawling into your overlord's office to beg for a raise think to yourself "I'm being a greedy pig." and slink back to your fetid box and get your lazy ass back to work.

If these guys were a band we'd be supporting them (-1)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755770)

Whenever there's an RIAA story, all the slashbots ever talk about is how the corporations are taking too much money and more of it should go to the artist.

Now we have a group of artists standing up for their rights, and all of a sudden we're against the artists because we slashbots can't live without our precioussss simpsonsssses for more than 5 nanoseconds.

So which is it, guys? Do we want artists to have more negotiating power with evil megacorporations or not? And don't tell me Fox isn't an evil corporation, because I've seen how you talk about them on the political threads.

Do we only care about the artists if what they're making is so shitty that we can live without it for a few weeks?

Must we always take the company line?Re:A thought. (5, Interesting)

sharper56 (142142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755774)

Ad Age says "The Simpsons" in 2003 earns FOX $296,440 per 30-sec ad or typical show will make Fox $3.5M (12 commerical slots 4 network slots). For the year that puts FOX at $77M. Forking over $48M to the voice talent may be a high percentage but FOX is still making a killing on it.

Note: This back-of-the-napkin estimate doesn't include the gravitas that "The Simpsons" gives the network to slot the rest of it's Sunday lineup. Each of the follows shows should really be kicking 50% of their ads back to "The Simpsons" 'cause the lead-in is so huge.

They are the show (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755783)

They should get paid like it.

Re:A thought. (2, Insightful)

superdude72 (322167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755802)

I wish I had their problems, only earning enough money to buy a small house every time I did a voice-over for a single episode.

Why don't you ask Rupert Murdoch how much he makes from the Simpsons for every hour of work he puts into it?

The show has earned over $1 billion for Fox. It will continue to run in syndication for god knows how long, earning billions more. The voice actors are simply exercising their market power, just as Fox does or WalMart does. I wish more workers were in as good a negotiating position.

New talent? (5, Interesting)

aidanjpadden (314134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755625)

OK, there are loads of people out there who can do good impressions of the Simpsons' characters and they threatened to use these last time - is it finally time they'll get rid of everyone and get new talent in there?

I wish I could get this much cash for an hours work but being a male gigolo doesn't pay this well ;)

Re:New talent? (5, Interesting)

AGTiny (104967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755644)

Oh my god I can't even begin to imagine how painful something like that would be to watch. Better to just kill the show than replace all the voice talent.

Re:New talent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755649)

Might as well. They have crappy new writers, might as well pair them up with some new people doing voices.

Re:New talent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755656)

Anything would be better than the horrible overacting on the show today

Ob Simpsons (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755749)


Homer: You're thinking of all the other years. This year's shows are classic. There's "The Laughter Family" -- that's animated. Networks like animation 'cause they don't have to pay the actors squat!

Ned: [voice slightly off] Plus, they can replace them, and no one can tell the diddley-ifference!

They each want $330,000 per episode (2, Interesting)

Trespass (225077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755626)

That's just ridiculous. I'm surprised they don't just get replacements for a fraction of that. I don't know how much longer the Simpsons will keep creaking along, but this seems like a pretty stupid time to go on strike.

Re:They each want $330,000 per episode (2, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755680)

maybe it doesn't matter to them?

you see, when they've already had enough money to be 'set for life', maybe they don't really want to do it anyways. when in that kind of position they can play hardball without the risk of being exactly poor for the rest of their lives.

besides, the money made from simpsons goes somewhere as well..

Re:They each want $330,000 per episode (1)

Kick the Donkey (681009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755693)

No more ridiculous than the Friends actors wanting $1,000,000 an episode. I agree that these performers are paid way more than their contribution to society would seem to warrent, but that is what the market is willing to pay them (any conservitive capitalist care to mention the Law of Supply and Demand, or as I call it: The Law of Fear and Greed?).

I would say the voice actors are being underpaid now, in relation to the rest of the market. But, they need to understand they are only about half the talent (okay, maybe 60%). They are not doing the physical performance. Only the voice. Maybe they should get half of what an actor gets paid in a show thats been on for 15 years.

Oh, wait, there haven't been any sitcoms on for 15 years.

Replacement could be in the work (1)

Mr. Arbusto (300950) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755702)

Agree'd, when I read this I thought...

"Simpsons canceled, Family Guy takes time slot"

It's true! I don't spell check

Please pay! (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755627)

My life will be completely meaningless without the Simpsons!

Pay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755628)

I figured they would strike because the writing ain't what it used to be.

ob Homer quote (4, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755630)

Homer: Lisa, if you don't like your job you don't strike. You just go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way. If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers.

ObSimpsons quote (5, Funny)

Gildor (40243) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755632)

Burns: Smithers, get me some strike breakers. The kind they had in the thirties.

(Smithers brings in Grampa Simpson)

Abe: We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. (grumbles of acknolwedgement from the strike breakers) One trick is to tell them stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them! "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now, where was I? Oh yes. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. We didn't have white onions, because of The War. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

"Open source" voices (0, Offtopic)

vurg (639307) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755634)

I am currently developing some speech enabled applications that require a voice talent to do several voice prompts. From what I heard from others, those people charge a lot due to the fact that they have to get everything perfect. Would it be just nice to find a repository of voice "donors" that would do the job for free?

Hmmmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755635)

Maybe they'll hire some scabs in the mean time. Lets see, who would make a good replacement? Maybe it would be a good job for the American idol runner ups?

actually... (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755637)

More like 12 great seasons. After seeing the recent episodes I really don't care too much if the show ends.

Re:actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755688)

I hope it does. I get 3 channels on an antenna, and I look forward to the two reruns on the WB that I get to see every week day. It is always a bummer when those two episodes are new ones. All that will happen if the show goes on is the episodes will get more and more dilluted.

Re:actually... (1)

Kick the Donkey (681009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755722)

Personally, the Simpsons still cranks out some great episodes. Yeah, they don't do as much witty commentary any more, but its still good.

After all, what would you expect from the Americal Idol and Survivor generation?

Re:actually... (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755744)

I really haven't seen any recently. A lot of them start out funny but sort of just get weird and inane after the first 5 minutes.

Re:actually... (2, Insightful)

ArmyOfFun (652320) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755781)

I agree. I used to be a die hard Simpsons fan. I was so die hard that when I slowly stopped watching new episodes, I actually felt guilty. Like I was giving up on an old friend. But now, I just don't care, the show has lost almost all of the subtle humor that made it great (in my eyes).

I'm sorry but... (2, Funny)

alman (86957) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755640)

Just give them the Do'h

Re:I'm sorry but... (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755671)

Wow. That's the worst fucking joke I have ever heard. Keep up the good work! ;-)

KILL THE CUNTS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755641)

FUCK THEM!!! we have computers now linux opensource could easily replace them because it is so powerful and now we have 64bits and 8gb ram with 1tb harddisks we could program them to model the actors voices and sync to the animation. i'm calling on the opensource communtiy to start programing this NOW!? whos going to?!!!!!

Scientology connection? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755646)

Many of the voice actors on "The Simpsons" are members of record of The Church of Scientology international's organization (IAS, International Association of Scientologists).

Could this association have a "unionizing" effect? After all, there aren't any other visible strikes ongoing in the voice actors industry - where's the solidarity?

Or could Scientology be behind the strike? They are ruthlessly money-hungry and push their members to donate evermore through the use of authoritative (command) hypnosis (see The Anderson Report of Victoria Australia). They've used front groups and union-style pressure tactics in the past. (see Reed Slatkin controversy)

Re:Scientology connection? (-1, Offtopic)

Troed (102527) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755732)

+1 Interesting

"Bart, with $10,000, we'd be millionaires!" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755648)

"We could buy all kinds of useful things like...love!"

A message for the actors (-1, Redundant)

preposterity (756361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755650)

Homer: Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike: you just go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way.

SNPP [snpp.com]

Re:A message for the actors (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755726)

Redundant?! The moderators must be on crack again

more money (1, Funny)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755653)

Each cast member wants around 360,000 dollars per episode, or eight million dollars for the 22-episode season. That is up from the 125,000 dollars per episode each they have earned for the past three years, Variety said.

They only get 125000$ per episode? How can you expect those people to live a decent life with that little money?!

Re:more money (1)

Lxy (80823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755746)

while that's a lot more than you or I make, $125K is low for the standard of quality they represent.

The Friends cast made $1 million per episode in this, their last season (and that's what, 8-9 seasons?). For being on the air for 14 seasons, and vieing for the longest running sitcom in history, $125K is cheating them. I can see their point.

Re:more money (1)

mariox19 (632969) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755790)

Really! At 22 episodes a season, they're just 21 paychecks away from being the "working stiffs" Jack Valenti [wikipedia.org] is always talking about.

Idiots (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755658)

These guys claim that $350,000 per episode isn't enough and THEN they'll complain about Bush's tax breaks because they "benefit the rich". Stupid, foolish hypocrites. The Simpsons peaked in 1992 anyway, does anybody really still watch it?

Simpson's are worth it. (4, Insightful)

pholower (739868) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755659)

A lot of folks on the ole /. seem to think replacements and less money is okay. I would usually tend to agree. But the simple fact that there are so many people that know the simpsons and so many people that can hear the voice of the characters in their head when somebody says a famous line, to me, is all the more reason to pay these guys more.

I think a lot of us forget that the simpson's, in many other's opinions is what saved fox. They are the reason Fox is still on today.

Has the show gotten worse? No! It has only got better and wittier with time. They deserve every penny of the raise they are asking for.

Re:Simpson's are worth it. (1)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755735)

Yeah, but how much of that is because of the voice actors? Its the WRITERS that should be getting paid hand over fist.

Re:Simpson's are worth it. (2, Informative)

pholower (739868) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755793)

I agree with you on that, however, if the writer is good, they can land a job at another production. Voice actors are usually only good for one production. After that it is retirement. if you were one of the voice actors on the simpsons wouldn't you want as much money as you could get before the show went off air and you had to live off that money for the rest of your life?

Re:Simpson's are worth it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755752)

But the simple fact that there are so many people that know the simpsons and so many people that can hear the voice of the characters in their head when somebody says a famous line, to me, is all the more reason to pay these guys more.

Yes, well, you are mistaken. It is irresponsible and unconscionable to pay that much money, let alone DEMAND that much money, when there are hundreds of equally talented voice actors who cannot earn enough to pay their rent. It's completely unfair. But that's typical liberal Hollywood, keeping the rich and privileged in power and screwing everybody else.

Re:Simpson's are worth it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755768)

The show has only got better and wittier with time? All they do is pick on random celebrities and garbage like that. The voices and animation are all that is the same. The writing has already degraded - and that is what we should have been up in arms about. Changing the voices at this point makes no difference. Especially if they sound the same. They will still only be reciting the same old bad writing.

Dough! (4, Funny)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755660)

Five [scotsman.com] different [timesonline.co.uk] British [scotsman.com] news [independent.co.uk] papers [scotsman.com] with reporters all over the world all starying the story with "Dough!".

Re:Dough! (1)

JoeBaldwin (727345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755711)

Not really 5. You counted the Scotsman three times.

I actually have that copy of The Independent somewhere...

Strike yes, over pay no (2, Insightful)

fr0dicus (641320) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755664)

They should strike to bring back futurama!

*8D~

DOH! (1)

Joecuba (736359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755666)

Should they not be on a percentage of the gross? Or is that too easy?

The Actors (5, Informative)

cablepokerface (718716) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755667)

Cast overview, first billed only:
Dan Castellaneta [imdb.com] .... Homer Simpson/Grampa/Barney Gumble/Krusty the Klown/Groundskeeper Willie/Mayor Quimby/Hans Moleman/Sideshow Mel/Others (voice)
Julie Kavner [imdb.com] .... Marge Simpson/Patty Selma Bouvier/Others (voice)
Nancy Cartwright [imdb.com] .... Bart Simpson/Nelson Muntz/Todd Flanders/Ralph Wiggum/Kearney/Others (voice)
Yeardley Smith [imdb.com] .... Lisa Simpson (voice)
Hank Azaria [imdb.com] .... Moe Szyslak/Chief Wiggum/Apu/Comic Book Guy/Cletus/Prof. Frink/Others (voice)
Harry Shearer [imdb.com] .... Montgomery Burns/Waylon Smithers/Ned Flanders/Kent Brockman/Rev. Lovejoy/Principal Skinner/Dr. Hibbert/Rainer Wolfcastle/Others (voice)
Marcia Wallace [imdb.com] .... Edna Krabappel (1990-) (voice)
Phil Hartman [imdb.com] .... Lionel Hutz/Troy McClure (1991-1998) (voice)
Tress MacNeille [imdb.com] .... Jimbo Jones/Agnes Skinner/Others (voice)
Pamela Hayden [imdb.com] .... Milhouse Van Houten/Rod Flanders/Others (voice)
Maggie Roswell [imdb.com] .... Maude Flanders/Helen Lovejoy/Others (1990-1999, 2002-) (voice)
Russi Taylor [imdb.com] .... Martin Prince/Others (1990-) (voice)
Doris Grau [imdb.com] .... Lunchlady Doris (1989-1996) (voice)
Karl Wiedergott [imdb.com] .... Additional Voices (1998-) (voice)
Marcia Mitzman Gaven [imdb.com] .... Maude Flanders/Helen Lovejoy/Others (1999-2002) (voice)

Replace the Writers (2, Interesting)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755674)

They need to replace the writers. This season as been pretty lackluster. I think it's jumped the shark at this point. Pretty disappointing. I've found myself shutting it off midway through most episodes this season which is sad really.

I don't know if it was just the ads but the recent one for the re-run of Marge writing the romance novel had homer's bare ass fuzzed out. Hope that's not a boobie-gate reaction

Your POST jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755699)

Your Slashdot posts from the mid-80s were way more entertaining and insightful. Now you just run with the herd.

AMEN MY BROTHER (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755803)

Preach it like ya teach it!

Re:Replace the Writers (1)

Lxy (80823) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755720)

It's been mentioned once before, but the Simpsons has not jumped the shark. The reason being that a lot of the humor in the episode is very subtle, and usually hard to catch the first time you see it.

Take, for instance, the Angry Dad episode. That thing sucked. For whatever reaosn, I ended up watching it on a rerun last night. I laughed my ass off. I missed a lot of the jokes the first time around, and it was pretty funny.

So, wait til the new season is on reruns, and you too will agree that it's still funny as hell.

Now it's official (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755681)

Now that the news was reported in the Pakistan Daily Times [dailytimes.com.pk] . A trusted source for all Simpsons related information since 1990.

My god. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755684)

Give use back Family Guy. Dump the simpsons, maybe then we'll have a show that's actually funny and doenst require voice actors who want more than a quarter of a millian dollars to say stupid catch phrases.

Hell I think Seth McFarlane has incredible voice talent, Brian the Dog is more sophisticated than Fraiser Krane.

The only one worth paying that much... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755690)

...is whoever does the voice of Maggie (aka Margaret). Lots of nuance there.

Strikes and High Paid individuals... (2, Insightful)

mschiller (764721) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755695)

It never ceases to amaze me that we allow people who are paid millions to collectively strike. I mean come on your being paid for 1 day of work (ok maybe it even takes a month to prepare, but still) more then I get paid in a year... Maybe us high tech workers should start unionizing.. Oh wait, if that happened in our industry they'd probably just fire us and get new people or just go out of business. I've never figured out why out society is willing to pay huge amounts of money on entertainment. Sports stars, actors, etc. I mean are pro baseball games that much better then your local college or high school game? But those criminals (well some of them anyway), get paid millions and who pays for it? The average Joe and his family end up paying $300 to see the game (ok it can be done cheaper but think of the cost of those beers and hot dogs)... One of my pet peeves... There goes my Karma

Re:Strikes and High Paid individuals... (1)

JoeBaldwin (727345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755747)

TROLL!?

He makes a very valid point. Why the fuck should Fox suck up to these fucktards who demand ever more money for a few hours work?

Unpublished letter from Fox (5, Funny)

JoeBaldwin (727345) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755698)

Dear Actors,

FUCK OFF. We can find cheaper people who'll do the job half-assed for less money. What do you think this is, India? Nobody keeps their jobs here!

Once again, fuck off.

Your good friend and former employer
Rupert Murdoch

The Simpson's Episode that was Never Telecast (1, Funny)

amigoro (761348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755704)


Bart:Dad! dad! Our voice-over guys are on strike!
Homer: Damn voice-over guys! Why those little ....
Lisa:But dad!, they have their rights too. You can't expect them to work so hard and get paid only $125,000 per episode.
Marge:She's right honey. These people have hungry mouths to feed, and it's not easy nowadays with $125,000
Maggie:gpbtd gpbtd

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Only in America (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755715)

More than 300000$ per episode? are you kidding?
there is people hungry out there(READ: Asia , Africa, Latin America,etc) and these "persons"
complain about earning 300000$ per episode????

WTH is going on with them?

And the Americans continue wondering "why everybody hate US??"

MOD PARENT UP! (0, Offtopic)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755739)

i don't care what you "feel" about the comment; it is true.

Mod up, please.

Silent Solution (0, Funny)

amigoro (761348) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755721)

No big deal. They could just have Simpson's as a Silent series. Make it B&W to add some class. Tell the voice-over guys to sod off.



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Well... (3, Insightful)

rijrunner (263757) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755724)

Face it, for these actors, this is it. None of them are break-out stars. None have any real expectation of much of a career after this.

Most actors are in a position of having one shot at making enough to live off of for the rest of their lives. There isn't any pension plan for most of them from their acting work.

They don't get a large cut of the spin-off merchandizing as their images are not being used. And, it's hard to say what their cut is on the syndication, which is where the money is for the Simpsons.

How many people out there would sit back in a situation where they have 10 years, or so, to make every penny they need to live on for the rest of their lives and then work at a base scale? Wouldn't most people try to maximize it? Face it, we're talking about Fox here. It isn't like any show is assurred renewal. Fox is raking more money off the canned shows with no new expenditure than on new shows and it's just a matter of time before the Simpson's gets axed for "Who Wants to Marry and American Idol Millionare on Temptation Island".

In terms of greed, I put them a lot further down any list than a lot of people I knew in San Jose in 1997. And, these guys actually are producing something of value.

Re:Well... (1)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755760)

You might want to rethink that comment with <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000279/">Hank Azeria</a> in there.

Apocalypse (1, Funny)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755727)

i'm pretty damn sure this is one of the signs!!!

REPENT!!!! The end times are near!!!"

Let's not forget (1)

solarwolf (755899) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755728)

Almost half of that $360,000 is for taxes! So the actors aren't REALLY being greedy - they are obviously just compensating for inflation. Seriously, I think the Simpsons have been done for awhile. I would prefer FOX bring back Futurama, which I feel has much better content. Then again, it hasn't run for 15 seasons.

If they killed Maude Flanders for $1500... (5, Informative)

holden caufield (111364) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755730)

Remember the last time there was a dispute over voice talend money? Maude Flanders paid dearly for it.

http://www.snpp.com/other/articles/actordisputes .h tml

And that was over plane tickets...who knows what Fox might do now?

Comic Book Guy (1)

Advan (761361) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755741)

Another strike over money. This is why I lost respect for the MLB. In the words of Comic Book Guy: "Worst...strike...ever..."

What are these actors thinking? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755785)

Lisa needs braces.

Dental Plan!

Lisa needs braces.

Dental Plan!

Lisa needs braces.

Dental Plan! ...

Fuck 'Em (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755791)

Fuck them, and their whole stupid little asinine show. There are so many terrible episodes from the most recently produced seasons!

To the voice actors, here's what I have to say to you:

"Don't have a cow man!" and "Eat my shorts!"

And of course, after you've lost your jobs you can start practicing:

"Aye, caramba!"

Slightly on topic (1)

antizeus (47491) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755792)

Harry Shearer has a radio program on either KPFK or KCRW (don't remember which), and it's always a trip to hear Principal Skinner talk about current events not related to Springfield Elementary. He doesn't have to change his voice much for that particular role.

Don't let the door hit you in your ass.... (1, Funny)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755794)

According to the Hollywood trade paper Variety, the dispute centres on a demand by each of the actors that they be paid $360,000 (194,000) an episode instead of their current $125,000.

The increase would see each of them receive $8m a series. The actors work an average of six to seven hours each per episode.


To hell with them. Outsource their voices to India if they can't get by on a measly $20k/hour--I'm sure plenty of people could do Apu!

Unprofitable? (4, Insightful)

phpm0nkey (768038) | more than 10 years ago | (#8755801)

Troy McClure: Yes, the Simpsons have come a long way since an old drunk made humans out of his rabbit characters to pay off his gambling debts. Who knows what adventures they'll have between now and the time the show becomes unprofitable?

Forty-eight million dollars a season, for six voice actors? Give me a break. Their entire work-week is driving to a studio, and talking for three hours on a Saturday afternoon. Given the quality of today's episodes, $360,000 each is just unreasonable.

It's time for FOX to take a chance, and let another cartoon step up to the coveted 8PM Sunday night timeslot. My vote would be for Family Guy. They shafted it last time by moving it to a bad timeslot, and now, with The X-Files gone and The Simpsons waning, FOX's prime real estate is opening up again.

Currently, the 22 new episodes in production [businesswire.com] are set to run only on Adult Swim. If Family Guy DVD sales are any indication, this is a poor move for FOX. I think their viewers are ready for the kind of edgy, creative humor that The Simpsons just hasn't provided in years.

prophetic simpsons quote: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8755804)

The gray old mare, she ain't what she used to be
Ain't what she used to be
Ain't what she used to be
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