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Train Your Own Replacement

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the suckage dept.

Businesses 1011

An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo reports on how some employers are asking the workers they're laying off to train their foreign replacements - having them dig their own unemployment graves. 'Almost one in five information technology workers has lost a job or knows someone who lost a job after training a foreign worker, according to a new survey by the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers.' It looks like a real dilemma where if you refuse to hire your replacement, you are fired without severance and are ineligible for unemployment benefits, and if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment."

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Blimey! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786721)

Blimey! Everytime I cross the pond I have to get fingerprinted? Guess I'd better stop wearing women's clothing. Bloody 'ell, those damn Yanks. Well, I best be catching me a lorry so I can have tea with me mum. Hope I don't break me arm cause I'd hate to have to wait 18 hours in searing pain in the emergency loo. 4 pounds sterling for a gallon of petrol? Well, at least it isnt 4 pounds 50 like last year. Better fill up the boot before it costs me an extra squid. God hail the Queen for providing for us. Bob's your uncle and all that. Cheerio.

dsfds (-1, Troll)

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Train My Replacement? (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786732)

Train My Replacement?

Sorry, it's not in my job description.

Re:Train My Replacement? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786771)

Sorry, it's not in my job description.

Good advice. Someone please try it and report back. That is, if you can afford an internet connection after you are fired without severance or unemployment benefits.

Re:Train My Replacement? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786854)

How can you not be eligible for unemployment benefits? The US unemployment benefits scheme must be truly screwed up if you can be ineligible just for quitting a job, or refusing to do something degrading like training a replacement.

In Australia, if you do not have a job, you are entitled to unemployment benefits, and the only way you can lose them is if you continuously refuse to apply for jobs.

Re:Train My Replacement? (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786906)

How can you not be eligible for unemployment benefits? The US unemployment benefits scheme must be truly screwed up if you can be ineligible just for quitting a job, or refusing to do something degrading like training a replacement.

If you quit it is much harder to get unemp benefits. Better to be terminated if you figure you will be anyway. Pay for how much time do you expect to get? The prior poster seems to forget, when you are asked to train your replacement, because it's implied you will be replaced soon, you do need to question the employers loyalty to YOU and what carrot they plan to give you for your remaining loyalty.

Re:Train My Replacement? (5, Informative)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786922)

How can you not be eligible for unemployment benefits? The US unemployment benefits scheme must be truly screwed up if you can be ineligible just for quitting a job, or refusing to do something degrading like training a replacement.

In most cases if you quit, you cannot get benefits. However, I quit once and received full benefits. The reason was because they wanted to cut my salary by 40% and wanted me to work russian time (midnight to 8am - they were outsourcing to Russia, this was in 2001.) I said I would not accept the changes and if they wouldn't keep my at my current salary and hours, I would quit. They said no, I quit immediately. I layed this out to the unemployment people and they said I was justified in quiting. I am not sure if 'not wanting to train a replacement' would go over quite the same.

Re:Train My Replacement? (1)

TheViciousOverWind (649139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786807)

Most contracts have some paragraph in it that can be bend to fit that description.

Is it IT-related to train your own replacement to do eg. programming? I guess it is.

Still sucks to be asked, but at least it gives you some months of "extra-pay" and you can probably get a recommendation from your boss, if you don't burn bridges.

Re:Train My Replacement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786824)

I'd train him. That is, if his name is "Captain Nemo". That guy was pretty cool.

Re:Train My Replacement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786865)

I had to train my replacement, and it was done in the sneakiest way. I was one of six helpdesk phone monkeys in a small ISP, and thought I was training an extra. Thats what I was told, and there was no indication I was to be laid off

I do get some satisfaction from the fact the guy was a clueless moron and didn't take in anything I said, preferring to do his own style. Since the ISP is now going under I hope I contributed to its demise.

Re:Train My Replacement? (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786900)

Train My Replacement?
Sorry, it's not in my job description.


Seriously, in most states a sudden take-it-or-leave-it change in your job requirements is a "just cause" to quit your job and still claim unemployment.

If you weren't in the business of training people in India... and you don't want to get into that business, you shouldn't have to.

MWA HA HA HA (-1)

HappyCitizen (742844) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786738)

I stole your job :)

Just treat them like the shit they are (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786741)

No Fucking Text

Re:Just treat them like the shit they are (1)

kingkade (584184) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786792)

Just train them in a nice cordial manner but instead of calling them by their name casually address them as "Scab". Also, delete everything in their source directory on your last day.

Re:Just treat them like the shit they are (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786860)

That sounds childish and petty.

Have you just left kindergarten?

Re:Just treat them like the shit they are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786979)

No, address them like the filthy fucking curry that they are.

Train them poorly (4, Insightful)

bihoy (100694) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786743)

No sense in helping them to look good eh?

Re:Train them poorly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786790)

Absolutely. Look like you are training them. Act busy. But give them all the wrong information. You could even go to the trouble of scripting some stuff that makes your 'false' information look right, until you leave and the scripts no longer exist.

I would do this in a heart beat.

Re:Train them poorly (5, Funny)

falzer (224563) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786927)

Yep. Get them started on reading Slashdot their first day.

Re:Train them poorly (1)

macrom (537566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786963)

Where do you think they found your job [slashdot.org] ?

Re:Train them poorly (5, Interesting)

Razor Blades are Not (636247) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786955)

Train your replacement well. Tell him you're well aware that he is going to replace you, and that the pitfalls in his (new) position will be the foolish managers who've hired him because he is cheaper than you are, but less skilled. Tell him that as soon as he has enough experience he should immediately look for a new job, as you are now, because ultimately, he (and you) are better off working for someone with some fore-sight.

You can sit together, looking at job sites all day looking for a new job. You will be seen as diligently performing this latest job function of "training". You might even earn some extra kudos from the PHB.

It will be a bonding experience. You'll wander onwards into the job market - and he'll climb the corporate ladder at your old job.

In a few years time, you'll have kept in touch, and can call him up to see if the company he's working at is hiring. He might even be your boss :)

A third option (4, Insightful)

cpu_fusion (705735) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786744)

It looks like a real dilemma where if you refuse to hire your replacement, you are fired without severance and are ineligible for unemployment benefits, and if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment.

I propose a third option:

Train them to do things the wrong way, reap maximum amusement out of your last days at the firm, and laugh as you walk out the door.

Re:A third option (1)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786808)

You think the law sharks couldn't find a way to make that come back around to bite you?

Otherwise, the company and your supervisor still has a decent say in whether you ever get hired elsewhere. If you're in a pretty high-profile market, people will probably check up on your references. If they get a really bad one from your employer, they have lots of other applicants to choose from, rather than bother checking up with you and trying to figure out who's exaggerating.

Re:A third option (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786904)

Otherwise, the company and your supervisor still has a decent say in whether you ever get hired elsewhere.

If they thought highly enough of you to replace you with someone overseas, -- god help you if they're your only reference.

Re:A third option (1)

Ruiner_God (758442) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786827)

The real trick is to teach them all of the bad habits that american workers (bring a newspaper to work, check espn for sports scores, you get the point) have so then the other counries are as unproductive as americans and half won't speak the language. just my thought

Re:A third option (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786938)

Don't forget loading Slashdot every 3 minutes looking for a first Post!

Re:A third option (1)

retto (668183) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786838)

Train them to do things the wrong way, reap maximum amusement out of your last days at the firm, and laugh as you walk out the door

And kiss any chance of a good reference goodbye...

Re:A third option (4, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786953)

In this job market? That's like being thrown out of the plane without a parachute, and failing to grab the "mixed drink umbrella" at the door.

There are those that will claim it's "better than nothing" and you shouldn't pass up the chance to grab one, but really, be honest. How much good can it possibly do you?

Re:A third option (4, Funny)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786843)

Rules for my job.

1.) All code must be placed on a single line.
2.) No comments are necessary...they take up space.
3.) When in doubt, use a com object reptitively.
4.) When in doubt, abbreviate. getFormName, should be: getFormName.
5.) Safe threading is for cowards. Let the threads duke it out...Its the manly way.
6.) Try not to use "if" or "for" statements. They take too much time.

Re:A third option (0)

lightknight (213164) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786977)

Yes, because GoTo statements are in vogue!

It's called quitting (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786745)

Make it painful for the company to fire you.

It's called reading the text of the fucking post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786814)

Make like my pants and split.

Its called.. (1)

mixtape5 (762922) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786816)

if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment.

quiting would only hurt more...but oh well.

Re:Its called.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786918)

Sure, it hurts you, but it hurts them just as much if not more.

But... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786747)

I'm not in the computer industry, but I'm wondering how long it takes to train foreign workers? If your job is so valuable that it takes a few days to train someone to be as competent as you, then how does that reflect upon your job?

Imagine training a foreign physician in what you do. How long would that take? 7-12 years?

Re:But... (1)

kippa (453370) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786799)

so...what does that say about foreign medical training?

Re:But... (1)

TheViciousOverWind (649139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786844)

We really need a "in-your-face" moderation option ;)

Re:But... (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786868)

so...what does that say about foreign medical training?

That they don't do the same sort of record-keeping? It takes time to learn all the laws regarding medical records!

Re:But... (2, Insightful)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786877)

In one of the cases in the story;

>She says the training took about two months.

>If your job is so valuable that it takes a few days to train someone to be as competent as you

Quick, name a job that doesn't take a few days for someone to at least feel that he could take over your job given that you have the same academic education?

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786886)

Imagine training a foreign physician in what you do. How long would that take? 7-12 years?

If the guy you train is a physician him self,then,lets say, a year at max


when you train a foreign worker the chances are that he already has some skills. You need to train him only on the aspects that are specific to your job . And for this reason it may take less time, and it certainly is not indicative of the importance of your job

I'm a pornstar... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786749)

I don't have to worry about 'training' my replacement.

Been there done that (5, Interesting)

greywar (640908) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786751)

And whats worse-in my case the employer lied. "Oh no we're not training them to replace you, we just expect that you will be busy with other projects..." Yeah other projects like looking for work. They paid for it in the end....HAH! And when they asked me back to help "save the company"....I didnt feel much desire to.

Train 'em (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786755)

Let the employers make their mistakes. You're going to get laid off anyway, so you might as well use the time to start looking for a new job instead of whining about having to train your replacement. Unless you're extremely well organized, it's not like your replacement is going to get much out of your training.

Greetings? (2, Funny)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786759)

How do you introduce yourself in a situation like that? "Hi Apu, how are ya? They're outsourcing me to...you!"

Re:Greetings? (0, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786924)

be sure to follow up with stories about when large groups of people didn't like what was happening in the work force, and started large groups that beat the shit out of people who crossed them to take their job.

Lock and Load (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786765)

Stories like this really piss me off!!! >:-

Absurd (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786769)

Forcing somebody to train their replacement is just absurd.

There needs to be a balance between management power and union power, because this is just absurd.

money money...MoNeY (2, Insightful)

blaksaga (720779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786773)

and if they don't train their replacements, they don't get their severance pay. It would suck to be in that position.

Re:money money...MoNeY (0)

esdjco (698572) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786911)

in it right now. Sucks

BOFH (4, Funny)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786776)

Cmon people...Start Training the BOFH way!

BOFH: "In order to make sure that your computer is operating at its full capacity, you must daily feed your monitor water whilst holding down the degauss button".

Trainee over phone:" Sir, this is no problem.." ***BZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTTttttttttttttt***

BOFH: "Next trainee. I'm going to like being replaced".

This is pretty simple (3, Funny)

Bobdoer (727516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786782)

Step one: learn that you're being replaced.
Step two: train your trainee to be incompetent.
Step three: laugh at the karmic justice of them firing you for being expensive and getting a useless employee in return.
Step four: read the classified ads and fail to find a new job.

At least both you and the company are screwed.

My Stapler!... (4, Funny)

Himring (646324) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786783)

Fine! But Rasheed is not getting my red stapler!...

Re:My Stapler!... (1)

Himring (646324) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786923)

I did not know the moderator's name was "Rasheed"....

changes (0)

gravyfaucet (759255) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786786)

this seems very demeaning. does this sell anyone on -an IT union? -Public database of companies demanding this of outgoing workers?

Sabotage (1)

m0topilot (724010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786787)

Train them to !@#$ up ... hehe

Not really a dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786793)

It looks like a real dilemma where if you refuse to hire your replacement, you are fired without severance and are ineligible for unemployment benefits, and if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment.

Not really.

if ($train_replacement) { fucked };
if (!$train_replacement) { fucked };

You may safely choose either option.

Re:Not really a dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786857)

More like:

if ($train_replacement) { sort of fucked but with 6 months unemployment + severance + corba };
if (!$train_replacement) { completely fucked if you have no savings + no corba };

corba == option to purchase health insurance at what it cost your company for 18 months.

Re:Not really a dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786919)

Not really.
if ($train_replacement) { fucked };
if (!$train_replacement) { fucked };
You may safely choose either option.

Actually the Perl code goes like:

if ($train_replacement) {
++$cash;
}
fucked($_);

Train 'em good! (1)

SoCalChris (573049) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786794)

What if you trained them to do your job wrong, so they totally screw everything up?

Re:Train 'em good! (1)

kingkade (584184) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786840)

You're a criminal mastermind! At least, if they were being trained face to face (since they may be a foreign worker) it would be really awkward just being around them. But you could still piss in their coffee and flick you boogers at their desk when they leave for lunch break.

just face it (4, Interesting)

cloudless.net (629916) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786796)

In my company I have to train my potential replacements every day. The company wants to have the ability to layoff anyone, anytime without worry. In fact they have a big layoff once every few months. I'm getting used to it.

That's like 1 percent (3, Interesting)

starcraftsicko (647070) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786802)

'Almost one in five information technology workers has lost a job or knows someone who lost a job after training a foreign worker,
One in 5 knows someone who has lost a job and trained a foreigner. I know more than 20 IT workers. I bet most /.ers do too. So we're talking less than 1% here.

Not that losing ANY jobs is ever good... but a 1% swing in ANYTHING is hardly a trend. And this is far less than 1%.

Your ONE sample is 1 percent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786887)

Over the past 2 years, well over 90% of the IT people I know have been laid off. Many, more than once. Some, probably close to 20%, but I didn't count, had to train their replacements.

So, it looks like your 1% is VERY low. Sample size is everything, and your sample of you (ONE), isn't big enough to make any conclusions from.

Ya, they'll have *real* incentive to do so (1)

Ned the Needy (637727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786803)

This is the kind of stupidity that created the phrase 'digging your own grave". No matter what, you're screwed. If you dig your grave, you'll openly acknowledge that you're going to die. If you don't dig your grave, what are they going to do? Kill you? In both cases, there is no incentive to have the person do a damn thing.

Re:Ya, they'll have *real* incentive to do so (1)

kingkade (584184) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786867)

God I heard about not reading the article but you didn't even read the entire blurb. My hat's off to you my friend!

Re:Ya, they'll have *real* incentive to do so (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786912)

It's interesting in that this has the potential to create far more outrage than simply outsourcing.

The Ultimate Plan (5, Insightful)

rckymntrider (754008) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786804)

1) Start working on a business plan 2) Train your replacement as poorly as possible 3) Collect your severance pay, use it as an investment together with an SBA loan 4) Go into business for your self

step 5 (1)

Ruiner_God (758442) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786909)

hire foriegn workers to outsource your replacement.

Isnt the solution obvious? (1)

SaintDogbert (769096) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786806)

Well.. I think its obvious.. First, take a really long time to explain everything. Also, make sure you find the most expensive English to Hindi translator for the company to foot the bill for.. Give the trainee seemingly useful information but then leave out big important details. This way, you look like youre trying to help, but youre really leaving your mark.. and boy will they miss you :P

Common practice (4, Informative)

NTworks (163511) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786818)

This is common practice at my job... I work as a state-licensed privately-run datacenter, to which state gvt agencies outsource their mainframe and other large scale Unix processing.

When we sign a new contract for an agency, we send computer operators and other staff there for a week to get trained by the state employees that are about to get laid off

Unemployment (5, Informative)

zoomnmd (163172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786822)

Well, in Maryland at least, you do receive unemployment benefits if you are fired. Also, you can receive benefits when resigning in leui of being fired. A friend of mine just went through this.
He worked for Lockheed Martin and was going to be fired.
Instead, he resigned and received benefits. No severence though...

Use what Bill Clinton say (0, Troll)

kyoko21 (198413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786835)

I do not recollect or recall such information at this present time.

Re:Use what Bill Clinton say (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786954)

He was an amateur...

"We know that iraq has tried to buy uranium from nigeria..."

Lesson #1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786858)

How to surf Slashdot ALL day while appearing to get work done. They may be cheaper, but they will never be less productive.

Give me a break... (2, Insightful)

Uhlek (71945) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786861)

"1 in 5 lost their job or knew someone who lost their job."

Talk about hear-say. That's hardly indicative of how pervasive the problem really is. How about some hard numbers, instead of a bunch of sappy stories about people committing suicide?

Plus, the story claims that you won't get unemployment or might be fired because of something one woman said she believed when she was told she had to train replacements. That's a load of crap to anyone with any clue on how employment laws work.

If you're worried about the severance or are enticed by the extra carrots they're waving in front of you, well, then, dig your own grave.

If all employees resisted, completely walked out of places that were doing it, refused to train Indian replacements...then maybe these companies would think twice. Instead those that are left simply bow their heads down and think "Gee, too bad for Sally."

But...oh, yeah, that's right. IT is too good to be unionized.

I'm doing it right now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786862)

I'm a dba/server tech/programmer/network admin for a growing import/export company with offices scattered in a few countries. I've been a little overworked. In the last year, they've hired a dba, server tech, programmer, & a network admin -- all working out of the Mazatlan office, for about 1.5x my salary, combined. And I'm training and training and training.... paranoid? Me? Sure -- if I wasn't the only US employee left.

What's even worse... (1)

KoshClassic (325934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786863)

I was just told I'm being laid off from my company. Many of us here have been forced to spend two or three NIGHTS a week on the phone with our 'colleagues' in India who have turned out to be our replacements over the course of more than a year. While its bad enough to be forced to train your replacement, we were forced to do so on what should have been our own personal time!

Re:What's even worse... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786968)

Are you against Linux or free software? Because ya know that it's easier to develop free software in India than here, not completely free, but cheap.

Go read Stallman to find out why this unemployment is the best thing ever happened to you, and download a copy of OpenOffice while you're at it. Consider it your $500 equivalent bonus check.

Loophole in the law (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786873)

If they can threaten to disqualify you from unemployment for refusing to train your own replacement, then there's a problem with unemployment law.

In most states, they have a short list of "good reasons" why you can quit your job and still get unemployment, such as your employer requiring an abusive number of overtime hours. If this situation isn't on those lists yet, it should be.

Re:Loophole in the law (1)

dollargonzo (519030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786978)

why? as much as i would like to agree with you, i don't think i can. it *is* part of your job description (in the case of most developers, tech support people, etc) to train subordinates and/or new employees. imagine training a partner or a co-worker? how is this any different? they tell you that you are training a co-worker and then lay you off. that's it. you refused to do your job, so they fire you. you wanna quite cause you don't like "doing your job," too bad. i agree with you completely and as an employer i would probably never do such a thing, but it's not necessarily an unreasonable request.

So it's the new "transition". Big deal. (2, Interesting)

dmorin (25609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786874)

I was the last to go from my team. I spent the last 3 months sitting around waiting for people from Chicago (I'm in Boston) to decide what to ask me, and documenting everything I knew. It's called a transition team, and is hardly new. Just because the jobs are being transitioned to another country instead of another state doesn't make it anything special.

Don't get pissed when you're asked to train your replacement. Worry when you *arent* asked, because it means management doesnt think you know anything valuable.

Re:So it's the new "transition". Big deal. (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786937)

But still, your involvement sometimes makes it possible for the job to job to go off shore, where without it the whole plan would have failed.

Re:So it's the new "transition". Big deal. (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786951)

>Worry when you *arent* asked, because it means management doesnt think you know anything valuable.

When they laid you off, the already have come to that conclusion.

Re:So it's the new "transition". Big deal. (1)

tobycat (722641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786976)

Worry when you *arent* asked, because it means management doesnt think you know anything valuable.

This is an insightful point. If you can do a good job training foreign workers then guess what: you have another skill for your resume. Since nothing will stop the outsourcing transition, it seems prudent to pick up skills that are valuable in this new reality. That includes vendor management, project management, and remote training. I'd train them well and then tout that I am good at "global cross-functional communication, training, and project management" on the old resume. :-)

Make the best of a tough situation (2, Insightful)

Darth_Vito (693141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786878)

Nobody is going to be happy with being asked to train their replacement but sometimes the additional severence is pretty generous. It might afford you the time to find a job you like better. IMHO it is a good idea to do your best to help and not burn any bridges with your employer.

In Soviet Russia... (1, Funny)

hords (619030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786884)

Your replacement trains you!

Morale boost for the new employees! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786892)

You know, once the Philipine center is completed, your job is toast.

I'm going to have to report you as untrainable.

There was a guy from Homeland Security asking about you.

I'm teaching you wrong.

What is India going to be like with a large number of Disgruntled American Techies looking for something to do?

You know Boeing (or whomever) is just a shell of a company now, how long do you think they can last in the race to the bottom?

Sabotage would be awfully tempting! (4, Insightful)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786893)

How could you not keep some little, vital secrets? How could you not allow critical misconceptions to go uncorrected? In short, how could you resist the temptation to totally, subtly screw up the guy you're training? Make sure that you don't pass on any crucial contacts, ``accidently'' erase or corrupt vital documents on your last day, the possibilities seem endless.

Even if the guy you're training is well qualified, there is probably enough that is peculiar to your company and your job that you could do this. He might know that he's not getting the full story, but he won't know what you're leaving out.

It seems to me that this is really asking for trouble, particularly for higher level jobs where the work isn't easily supervised. The story suggests that there are no counter-incentives to this, and I'm not sure how you could build any in, at least under U.S. labor law.

Those of you posting comments to this story from.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786896)

..work, please consider those of us who haven't had a place of work for any appreciable amount of time.

Not all of us suck at what we do; some of us simply can't find employment.

If this is not free software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786905)

It's pretty close to being free, I think, for $3 an hour developed in India.

Stallman has warranted himself a yearly payout from Rockfeller Foundation, you mean, you nerds all fought for free software without having some kind of backup plan?

This sounds familiar.... (1)

nexusware00 (667062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786931)

I actually had this happen to me last year. I worked for Motorola's helpdesk and was asked to train our replacements in Canada after they decided to outsource their IT. Needless to say I said no...and they really couldn't understand why. Finally they brought the people down where we would have to train them....it was definitely a great morale booster...

how to train one's replacement (4, Funny)

0WaitState (231806) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786945)

CVS? Nah, we tried that but it didn't work. We're using visual source safe now.

Ok, first you model everything down each class and method level in UML, then you apply the elaboration bongfizzle according to rational unified process...

We're targeting this release to run on the Longhorn codebase...

I'm sorry, but you must adhere to the *letter* of the EJB spec. That means you cannot use java.io.*, cannot have worker threads, no socket communication, scheduled events, or application lifecycle events.

You absolutely must check in everything before you go home at the end of the day. That way you don't lose anything if your workstation dies. Build failures? No problem, someone will fix it before you get in the next day.

You can start coding as soon as you acquire linux licenses from SCO...

The only way. (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786959)

Sabotage. Screw up so badly at the training, thattwo weeks after laying you off, the company will beg you and offer double the salary so you come back and fix whatever the foreign worker screwed up (by following your teachings).

And today, we will learn about the Remark command. RM for short.

Been there done that. (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786960)

This is nothing new.
Happens all the time in business.

What do you think is going to happen to all those big paying jobs when the new generation of kids floods the market place?

I'll be pumping gas soon if the prices don't stop dropping or outsourcing.

I would start by teaching them our local customs (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786961)

Like our acceptance of public masturbation.

dont blame India -- blame our corprate leaders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786966)

They saw outsourcing work for the manufacturing sector, but failed to realize that there were still some high paying jobs buying all this stuff.

When there are NO high paying jobs here and the allmighty dollar takes over in places that have never seen prosperity, the system will collapse.

I believe that this night holds for us the very meaning of our lives...

I'm not here to tell you how it will end, Im here to tell you how it will begin ...and the Geek shall inherit the Earth...

This seems to be unnecessary (-1)

Srividya (746733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786972)

Of the vast majority of contracts we have taken over from the American counterparts, I cannot recall when we have had to have input from original workers. Often the project is very simple and we have many minds to engineer-reverse the problem. It would not seem cost effective to do this thing but perhaps in some situations otherwise information lost forever.

Since we are talking about replacements here (1)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786975)

be sure to alias err... replace "cp" with "rm -rf" in the profile on the last day. :)

The "Catch 22" of capitalism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8786982)

This whole outsourcing trend seems like a real "Catch 22" to me.

We live in a capitalist society, where the need to make profits forces us to minimise costs where ever possible so we can sell product to consumers at the best possible margin. To do this we outsource production to cheaper countries, and in doing so take away the incomes of our .... consumers.

If everyone loses their incomes due to outsourcing, who's going to be left to consume the products these people sell?

It's only a matter of time before (3, Insightful)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 10 years ago | (#8786983)

someone goes postal on this.
This is insanity and no one wants to lose their job. And to be forced to train your replacement? That's just flat out wrong..
There's a lot of unstable people out there, already under huge stress. Add this to the mix and you're asking for a body count....

It's sad, it's scary but it will happen. Count on it..

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