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X.Org Foundation Releases X11R6.7 X Window System

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the this-will-get-sticky dept.

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Several folks submitted the press release announcing the formation of the X.Org Foundation and the release of X11R6.7 of the X Window System. The XOrg Foundation is the successor to the X Consortium, formed by many of the most notworthy participants in the XFree86 Project. This code release is a tree forked from the last XFree86 release not troubled by that pesky license change. Since Mandrake, Gentoo, OpenBSD, and Debian have already rejected the new XFree86 license, this new code tree will likely become the default X11 for most Linux users. I've attached the press release that explains more details about the code release, as well as the X.Org foundation itself.XOrg Foundation writes "X.Org Foundation Announces Formation and First Release

The new X.Org Foundation will help drive the X Window System to support
state-of-the-art desktop technologies

San Francisco, CA., April 6, 2004 - X.Org Foundation today announces their first release of the X Window System since the formation of the Foundation in January of this year. The new X.Org release, called X Window System Version 11 Release 6.7 (X11R6.7), builds on the work of the X.Org X11R6.6 and XFree86TM Project Inc. V4.4RC2 releases to combine many of the latest developments from a large number of the participants and companies working with the X Window community. The X Window System X11R6.7 release can be found at http://www.x.org/.

We have made great progress in creating a framework upon which further development of the X Window System can be based, agreed the Interim Board of the Foundation. We expect to provide the desktop community with at least two more releases of the X Window System before the end of this year to encompass all of the new technologies and ideas that we are developing.

This release marks the return to community development of the X Window System under governance open to all contributors for the first time since the founding of the X Consortium in 1988, said Jim Gettys, co-founder of the X Window System, Interim X.Org Foundation board member and member of the research staff of HP Labs.

We welcome the formation of the X.Org Foundation and are looking forward to support this group to bring the work on the X Window System to a new technological level, said Egbert Eich, X Window System developer at Novell's SUSE LINUX business unit.

Matthias Ettrich, Director of Software Development at Trolltech, said As a multi-platform GUI toolkit vendor, we appreciate the value of a powerful underlying windowing system, and as such, we are excited about the direction X.Org is heading. We are very much looking forward to supporting new technologies around X, and we will do our share to make the advances of the platform accessible to software developers.

Being an underlying technology to the most popular desktops on all GNU Systems, in particular GNOME and KDE, the X Window System is indeed an essential part of most Free Software operating systems, said Georg C.F. Greve, president of the FSF Europe. It helps many users to access and enjoy the freedom of Free Software. We are glad that X.Org will from now on watch over this enabling technology.

Red Hat is pleased to be working with the new X.Org Foundation to build a vibrant open source community around X Window System innovation. Look for X11R6.7 in the upcoming Fedora Core 2 and future Red Hat Enterprise Linux products, said Havoc Pennington, desktop development manager at Red Hat.

As one of the largest GNU/Linux distribution projects in the world, the Debian Project is delighted to see that freedom and diversity are alive and well in the X technology sector. We're also delighted that the X.Org Foundation is dedicated to retaining the licensing model that has made the X Window System an enduring success, said Branden Robinson of the Debian GNU/Linux Project. Like us, the X.Org Foundation is a member-driven organization devoted to Free Software. We cannot help but be enthusiastic about them and the work they're doing for the X Window System and Free Software communities alike.

An open source project works best with a large community of active contributors. OSI welcomes the return of X to open source development by the entire community. I'm looking forward to contributing myself, said Russell Nelson, Vice-President of the Open Source Initiative.

Cygwin/X is benefiting heavily from the community-building spirit of the X.Org Foundation and their open development environment. We are pleased to be basing our releases on the good work of the X.Org Foundation, said Harold L Hunt II of the Cygwin/X project.

The XonX Project is very pleased that the X.Org Foundation has been eager to support Darwin and Mac OS X. X11R6.7 adds new features that will be appreciated by many Mac OS X users, said Torrey Lyons, XonX Project Founder.

Membership of the X.Org Foundation is free to all participants. Applications for membership are now being accepted, and active participants in the further development of the X Window System are invited to visit: http://www.x.org/XOrg_Foundation_Membership.html to complete a membership application. Participation in the Foundations Sponsor Group is also available to those who wish to financially support the activities The X.Org Foundation. Current Sponsors include Hewlett Packard, IBM, and SUN Microsystems.

About The Foundation Release
X11R6.7 is the first official X.Org Foundation release. It is the successor release to X11R6.6 from X.Org. To assure consistency with industry and community requirements and practices, it was developed from the X.Org X11R6.6 code base and the XFree86 V4.4RC2 code base, with the addition of bug fixes and enhancements. These enhancements include: new IPv6 functionality, Freetype V2.1.7, fontconfig V2.2.2, Xft V2.1.6, Xcursor V1.1.2, and Xrender V0.8.4, with corresponding changes in documentation and notices. Additional source and binary releases are anticipated during 2004.

About The X Window System
The X Window System provides the only common networked windowing environment bridging the heterogeneous platforms in today's computing. The X Window System is one of the most successful open-source, collaborative technologies developed to date and is the standard graphical window system for the Linux and UNIX operating systems. The inherent independence of the X Window System from the operating system, the network and the hardware, as well as its successful interoperability, have made it widely available and deployed with more than 30 million users worldwide. All major hardware vendors support the X Window System and many third parties provide technologies for integrating X Window System applications into the networked computer or personal computer environments including Microsoft Windows, UNIX, Linux and Mac OS X. Further, thousands of software developers provide X Window System applications, and with the continued growth of Linux and the emergence of Mac OS X, the number of users is growing rapidly.

About X.Org Foundation
X.Org Foundation L.L.C. is a recently formed Delaware company organized to operate as a scientific charity under IRS code 501(c)(3), chartered to develop and execute effective strategies that provide worldwide stewardship of the X Window System technology and standards. The group is currently managed by an Interim Board of Directors that includes: Stuart Anderson (Free Standards Group), Egbert Eich (SUSE), Jim Gettys (HP), Georg Greve (Free Software Foundation Europe), Stuart Kreitman (SUN Microsystems), Kevin Martin (Red Hat), Jim McQuillan (Linux Terminal Server Project), Leon Shiman (Shiman Associates) and Jeremy White (Code Weavers). The website for the X.Org Foundation can be found at http://www.x.org/.

Note to editors: UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. LINUX is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. XFree86 is a trademark of The XFree86 Project, Inc. Microsoft and Windows are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries. Mac OS is a registered trademark of Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. All other company names are trademarks of the registered owners.
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Y11 Release 6.7 (-1)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791707)

I think Y would be the next logical choice of names for the new project.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (3, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791720)

Y is already used as a name for this [y-windows.org] project

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (1)

nycsubway (79012) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791735)

I guess Z is the only one left. Then they'll have to move back to the beginning of the alphabet.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (5, Funny)

joib (70841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791763)

Umm, why? In the brave new world of Unicode, there are lots of symbols to choose from, albeit unpronouncable.

A bit like Prince, you know?

You mean, Asshole Previously Known As Prince? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792034)

Umm, "Artist", sorry, "should have used the Preview button" as wise men say.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792093)

Scandinavian (overlords) have no problems with their extra letters (transliterated) AE, OE, AA.
Welcome your new overlords now or be ineligible for installation of AE Windows System.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (4, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791766)

Why? I personally look forward to being able to run [ on my laptop...

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791861)

You already can.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792100)

+2 True geek humour,
+5 if you didn't need to use an ASCII chart

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (1)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792139)

Not that easy. A is already taken by a popular TV series. [ateamshrine.co.uk] . The same series actually consumed the letter T [buyersmls.com] . B is unusable, as it used to be associated with a failed operating system [beincorporated.com] . C is, obviously, a popular programming language [gnu.org] . Now, we could settle for D, but I think it could be confusing for chemists, who use it to describe chiral isomers [toxlab.co.uk] . E would be a bad idea, as e- is one of the most hated prefixes [ebusinessforum.com] of the present day. F obviously if out of question, as it stands for a chemical element [fluor.com] , and G would create too many lame slashdot jokes related to clitoris [the-g-spot.ca] . I could actually go this way through the whole ASCII table, but I'm too lazy for it.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (4, Funny)

rmolehusband (192640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791791)

Well I hear folks asking "Y Windows?" all the time so it must be getting popular.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (3, Informative)

Rhesus Piece (764852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791723)

Would be and was. It is taken. The Y project is off the ground, and provides it's own widgets. Interesting stuff.

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (2, Interesting)

mst76 (629405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791846)

> I think Y would be the next logical choice of names for the new project.

That ridiculous. The project implements an X server that understands the X protocol, just like XFree86, FDO's XServer, XiG's X server, Apple's X server and others. Why would they name themselves Y (no pun intended)?

Re:Y11 Release 6.7 (2, Funny)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792179)

I guess they could always use X++.

Ahem.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791712)

You misspelled "notworthy"

yipppee new X (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791713)

Yeah New X

First post baby

They're not worthy... (5, Funny)

checkitout (546879) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791718)

formed by many of the most notworthy participants

Surely they must be worthy of something...

FREUDIAN SLIP IS ON TEH SPOKE!!!`1~oneone (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791746)

Re:They're not worthy... (0, Funny)

LemonYellow (244336) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791797)

As Bill and Ted said, "We are notworthy! We are notworthy!"

Re:They're not worthy... (0, Redundant)

RagManX (258563) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791803)

Man, I hate when someone else beats me to the funny. I saw that, but there were already 20 replies to the story, so I lost out.

RagManX

Re:They're not worthy... (2, Funny)

bloodstains (676306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791942)

They're noteworthy, and don't call me Shirley!

great! (3, Insightful)

dummkopf (538393) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791724)

when i read about X11 and their licensing issues i was scared: i had noticed that redhat dropped several (for me important) packages due to the fact that they are not GPL (such as pine... no flames, please, i like it more than any other mail client cause all you need is an xterm). i was wondering what would happen with x11. now i know. and (i think) i am releived...

mutt? (2, Offtopic)

Jason Straight (58248) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791769)

Have you tried mutt?

We're not worthy! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791732)

"formed by many of the most notworthy participants in the XFree86 Project."

Uh, I think you mean "noteworthy." Or do you?

good luck guys (-1, Offtopic)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791734)

you'll probably need it.

Yeek. (0, Flamebait)

Emmettfish (573105) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791738)

You'd think that with the Xiph.Org Foundation [xiph.org] being around, they could pick a better name than 'X.Org Foundation.' Sigh.

Ugh (4, Funny)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791742)

I just really hope no distro's of mine get overzelous and change /usr/X11R6 to /usr/X11R6.7

Re:Ugh (5, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791762)

Why? Did you think they'd never come out with a new version of X?

It's stilly to rely on a directory named for a version of a program unless you want to update your software every time a new version comes out.

Re:Ugh (4, Insightful)

bn557 (183935) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791879)

or unless you want to have multiple versions of such a program installed.... think gcc 2.9 vs gcc 3.3. Then you always just keep a symlink from somewhere in the path to the one you want.

so have a /etc/X11 link to /etc/X11R6.7 and an /etc/X11R6 folder laying around for fun.

Re:Ugh (1)

DikSeaCup (767041) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791885)

Besides that's what symbolic links are for - just link /usr/X11R6 or whatever to /usr/X11, set your path vars up appropriately, and be done with it.

Re:Ugh (-1, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792115)

Actually, I did think they'd never come out with a new version of X.

This really isn't so much a "new version" as far as functions and features go, it's just a politically/philosophically motivated code fork. So I was right.

Re:Ugh (2, Interesting)

ralmeida (106461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791839)

Not that, but... from the release notes:

> The name of the X server is Xorg, rather than XFree86.

Ah.. (5, Funny)

Rhesus Piece (764852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791744)

Ah, I love the smell of forks in the morning. Hurrah for vitality.

Re:Ah.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792000)

>Ah, I love the smell of forks in the morning. Hurrah for vitality.

Stick a fork in XFree, I think they are done for now.

Re:Ah.. (2, Insightful)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792012)

Hurrah for Freedom.

But... (-1, Troll)

Dwonis (52652) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791753)

Isn't X dying?

Re:But... (4, Interesting)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791891)

no. XFree86 is now dying. They've started their own obituary with the abrupt and incompatible licenses changes. Xorg lives on.

And some people have a bad feeling.. (3, Interesting)

Pivot (4465) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791754)

-after all this [mail-archive.com] ...

Re:And some people have a bad feeling.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791850)

No wonder a fork was needed... Not like current XFree86 developers look as the most motivated people in the world.

more examples of Linux fragmentation (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791768)

The Linux operating system was born in 1991 and was created by one
man, a Finnish student coincidentally named Linux Torvalds. Since
these humble beginnings, a multi-million dollar industry has sprung up
to exploit the commercial potential of Linux, but until recently Linux
has eluded mainstream acceptance. However, due to the recent economic
downturn together with uncertainty over changes to Microsoft's pricing
policy, Linux is now being touted as a serious contender to Microsoft
Windows. While there are many other alternatives to Windows, including
BSD which is based on SUN's (Stanford University Network - correction
by bc) server-grade Solaris operating system, none have commanded the
same level of media attention as Linux. Linux Mandrake is just the
latest in a long line of quirkily christened versions of Linux.
Previous versions of Linux have been named Red Hat, Slack Ware, Storm
and Coral. In stark contrast to the mundane names such as 98, ME or NT
preferred by Microsoft, the crazy names of each Linux release hint
at its renegade nature.

My foray into the world of Linux began by downloading a "CD image"
from the Mandrake-Linux web site (www.redhat.com). But don't worry,
this isn't software piracy, it's perfectly legal! Linux is shareware,
meaning that it can be freely redistributed without fear of a visit by
the Business Software Alliance. The free availability of Linux is a
major reason for its popularity among cash-strapped students and
self-styled anti-capitalist hackers (www.fsf.org).

Before installing new software, it is always advisable to read the
documentation. Unfortunately, an unpleasant surprise was in store for
me in the "required configuration" section of the hocked to learn that
Linux Mandrake only runs on Pentium processors, meaning that my hopes
of testing the water with my old Gateway 486 were dashed. Furthermore,
a whopping 32 megabytes of memory are required to run Linux! Although
the advocates of Linux self-righteously boast the efficiency of their
chosen operating system and deride the
"bloatware" produced by Microsoft, it appears that their claims are
blatantly incorrect.

Although my humble 486 will happily run Windows 95, it seems that
Linux requires far more powerful, and more expensive, computer
hardware. Is this really the sign of a lean, mean operating system?

Of course not.

Sadly, not even being able to install Linux is just the first of my
many complaints. A brief perusal of the features of Linux Mandrake
reveals that Linux is sorely lacking many crucial productivity
applications. For example, why isn't the industry standard web
browser, Internet Explorer, included with Linux? Despite the best
efforts of the experts at the Internet Engineering Task Force to
encourage adoption of the Internet Explorer standard, the creators of
Linux seem to think that they know better. By refusing to adhere to
recognised standards, Linux is simply undermining its own credibility.

Similarly, almost all of the world's most popular and widely used
software is completely incompatible with Linux! It may surprise you to
learn that your copy of Microsoft Office, Outlook Express, or Lotus
Notes will not work under Linux. Those who wish to use their computer
for recreational purposes are also out of luck, for almost all of the
most popular games are unavailable for Linux. Although a wide range of
software is freely available for Linux, these pitiful offerings are
mostly unfinished, unreliable and do not bear comparison to their
commercial counterparts.

Computer security is also an area that seems to have been overlooked
by the developers of Linux. In these times when hacking and viruses
are commonplace, it defies belief to learn that no anti-virus software
is available for Linux. To add insult to injury, there is no Linux
version of the popular ZoneAlarm firewall. By using Linux, you are
issuing an open invitation to the hordes of ne'er-do-wells on the
Internet.

The shortcomings of Linux are obvious. Without even installing Linux
Mandrake, I have exposed several fundamental flaws. Surely it is not
too much to expect that, after ten years of development, the creators
of Linux would have addressed these problems? The real question that
the prospective Linux user must ask himself is, "Why bother?" After
all, Microsoft Windows comes free with most PCs and there simply isn't
a need to replace it, particularly not with a product of inferior
quality.

Although it is always tempting to support the underdog, Windows XP
will be the deserved victor in the battle ahead. I recommend that
those slashdot.org readers who are hoping to upgrade their operating
system patiently wait for the release of Windows XP, rather than
foolishly wasting their time, effort and money on Linux.

Re:more examples of Linux fragmentation (1, Insightful)

Jason Straight (58248) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791800)

Do your ass cheeks move when you talk? You don't seem to have a clue about a damn thing, do you?

Mandrake is not www.redhat.com for one, and it's not even the latest distro to be added to the list. Linux/Unix doesn't have a need for antivirus because it's not inviting the viruses as other OS'es do.

Re:more examples of Linux fragmentation (1)

ulysses38 (309331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791888)

this is what we who have senses of humor call "wit."

Re:more examples of Linux fragmentation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791968)

You missed the fact that this troll's copy/paste post was dated before the release of Windows XP.

Slashdot's trolls arn't creative anymore, we need some new ones.

I'm all ears (1)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791778)

As soon as Gentoo gets an ebuild, I might revive my desktop cum Linux server back to a desktop to give it a shot.

While they tout all kinds of new features that OS X users would be interested in via XonX, they certainly don't mention what those features would be. I guess I'll have to go check the changelog. Damn.

Re:I'm all ears (1)

PostConsumerRecycled (653177) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791938)

I just checked, there's already an ebuild for it for x86, though you will need ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"

My laptop will be getting this tonight.

Licenses. (2, Interesting)

imbaczek (690596) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791779)

Why so many people think that GPL incompatible == not free? How is current XFree86 license non-free? Yeah, I know it's not about free-as-in-beer, but how isn't XFree free-as-in-speech?

Re:Licenses. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791862)

Why so many people think that GPL incompatible == not free? How is current XFree86 license non-free? Yeah, I know it's not about free-as-in-beer, but how isn't XFree free-as-in-speech?

This was discussed ad nauseum in the previous Slashdot articles about this, such as the one linked to in the story, above.

But to spoonfeed you the gist of it, since you're not going to get off your duff and read the previous discussion: it's not that it's not a free license. It's the practical ramifications of being incompatible with the GPL that are the issue. It's the opinion of some lawyers and legal-types that the GPL incompatibility means trouble for software that's built upon the XF86 framework and therefore must be consistent with the terms of the XF86 license. To build GNOME, KDE, etc. against XF86, and then release them under the GPL, would violate the terms of the XF86 license, since the GPL permits things that the XF86 license does not.

For more, see the previous stories.

Re:Licenses. (5, Interesting)

dinivin (444905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791918)


Except that the XFree86 libraries, you know those things that actually links to GNOME and KDE, aren't under a new license.

Dinivin

Re:Licenses. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791993)

This, also, was discussed the last time(s) around.

Re:Licenses. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792054)

Except that the XFree86 libraries, you know those things that actually links to GNOME and KDE, aren't under a new license.

Perhaps NOW they aren't, but the new license is considered the official one. XLibs using old license are expected to change to the new one.

Consider that if distributions as Redhat or Debian, or people like Stallman say there *is* a license problem there, you'll have to do a pretty exhaustive work to prove the contrary better than them.

Re:Licenses. (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792122)

... the GPL permits things that the XF86 license does not.

That's true but you're hiding the reason. The crux of the matter is the new XF86 license imposes a new advertising clause that *imposes restrictions beyond* the scope of the GPL. The GPL forbids additional restrictions (sec 6) and, in 50 words or less, that's why the licenses are considered incompatible.

Re:Licenses. (3, Informative)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791965)

The problem isn't that the license isn't free enough. The problem is only that it isn't compatible with GPL. This is bad because GPL apps can't link with it (Yes I'm aware that xlibs still is old license, but who knows in the future). The GPL is as much to blame as this new license. The easy part about the GPL is that it is one license (You cannot add or remove from it and call it GPL), it also makes it impossible to add advertising clauses.

Maybe the GPL is not flexible enough but as it is now thats the way it is. XFree should have calculated the pure force of GPL before the license change, now they got a fork instead.

Re:Licenses. (3, Insightful)

dinivin (444905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792051)

(Yes I'm aware that xlibs still is old license, but who knows in the future).

And who knows that the X.Org libraries won't be made GPL incompatible in the future? At least with the XFree86 libraries, we know David Dawes is willing to compromise for the sake of the communitty.

Dinivin

Re:Licenses. (1)

womby (30405) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792233)

because then it will be forked once more

Damn... (3, Interesting)

dargaud (518470) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791781)

I had been happily downloading my cygwin updates when this news came out on /. I looked at where the installer was: xorg-x11-6.7.0.0-1.tar.bz2 !!! It's announced today and it's already up for download in the distros ! Maybe that's why this 16Mb download is taking forever...

Re:Damn... (1)

RagManX (258563) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791853)

Thanks for the info. I haven't updated my Cygwin in a few weeks. Guess I'll have to hit the update now. Wootar!!1!

RagManX

Re:Damn... (3, Funny)

dargaud (518470) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792167)

Wait till I finish !
Or use a different mirror...

"...likely become the default X11 for most users" (5, Funny)

zz99 (742545) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791782)

I for one greet our new windowing system overlords!

Re:"...likely become the default X11 for most user (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791916)

You dickhead.

It's "I for one welcome"

FFS. At least TRY and get it right before I moderate you as "Lame Fuckhead"

OB Citizen Kane quote... (-1, Offtopic)

chinton (151403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791785)

I am not a gentleman. I don't even know what a gentleman is.

So what's left for XFree86? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791792)

Did they just essentially commit suicide? Is anyone still sticking with them?

Re:So what's left for XFree86? (5, Funny)

lurwas (518856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791817)

Well, it will no longer be called X in short for most distributions. It's no longer actually Free, so 86?

Re:So what's left for XFree86? (2, Funny)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791946)

SCO Perhaps...

Re:So what's left for XFree86? (4, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792011)

From the XFree86 website:

After tremendous testing and community feedback, the 4.4.0 Release is now available for twenty (yep that's the number 20!) popular platforms. Distros that are carrying it in with the license change integrated into their distribution are: NetBSD, Slackware Linux, Conectiva, and others. See our distro support page for the full breakout.

They also have an "interview" with David Dawes about the license change [theinquirer.net] .

Re:So what's left for XFree86? (3, Informative)

zdzichu (100333) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792048)

Yes, Slackware [slackware.com] is using XFree86 4.4 since Tue Mar 23 13:07:20 PST 2004.

Re:So what's left for XFree86? (1)

zdzichu (100333) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792076)

Also NetBSD imported XFree86 [netbsd.org] in the beggining of march 2004.

alphablending etc. (4, Interesting)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791796)

now that the xfree86 server is effectively forked, is there a chance of getting true alphablending and shadows?

Re:alphablending etc. (4, Informative)

be-fan (61476) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792229)

That's in the works in the freedesktop.org X server, which is currently in development (but features like alpha-blending and shadows already work if you're interested in checking the source out of CVS). The X.org server is the 'stable' continuation of the XFree86 codebase.

new X with gentoo (1)

soren.harward (1153) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791801)

So, given that Gentoo is probably going to move to this version of X, how much of a pain in the neck is it going to be to upgrade?

Re:new X with gentoo (4, Informative)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791869)

It shouldn't be a pain at all, as portage will handle all dependencies, just as always. And since the use flags for X is simply 'X', most people should have to change anything.

And since the "new" X is just a fork of the last "Free" XFree86, it should be no different than previous XFree86 upgrades.

That's my understanding, FWIW.

NVidia (5, Interesting)

TheAcousticMotrbiker (313701) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791820)

The crucial thing (for me at least) is wether or not the NVidia binary drivers will work with this new version.

Judging form the fact that's forked of XF4.4rc2 it should , but I'd like to get confirmation .

Re:NVidia (0, Redundant)

gabebear (251933) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792135)

I was wondering the same thing

The Release Notes [freedesktop.org] say "The module loader was modified to accept either XFree86 generated modules or X.Org generated modules". I wonder if this means that the Nvidia module will work?

XFree86 (3, Interesting)

SirNAOF (142265) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791828)

I just read over the XFree86 license versions 1.0 and 1.1. I see the difference, but why is this seemingly minor change causing such a huge commotion with the major distributions?

Of course, some of us care more about the fact that it is still free (as in beer and in speech) than the exact wording of the license.

Re:XFree86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791905)

I just read over the XFree86 license versions 1.0 and 1.1. I see the difference, but why is this seemingly minor change causing such a huge commotion with the major distributions?

I don't suppose it occurred to you that someone else might have asked this question before? I don't suppose it occurred to you that the past /. stories about this, linked to in the first paragraph of Taco's summary at the top of the page, might include the answer to your question about 457,932,524 times? I don't suppose it occurred to you that you could go and look and learn about what some people think the problem is, rather than refusing to do any work yourself but expecting others to do all your work for you?

No, of course not.

Re:XFree86 (-1, Flamebait)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792062)

I don't suppose it occurred to you that being an asshole isn't neccesary? Post a link and shut the fuck up.

Re:XFree86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792206)

I don't suppose it occurred to you that being an asshole isn't neccesary? Post a link and shut the fuck up.

Why the hell would I post a link that (as I said) is already in the article text at the top of the page? Are you REALLY THAT LAZY?

Jeebus.

Re:XFree86 (0, Flamebait)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792117)

The whole thing is over the 'advertising clause' in te new XFree86 license. All of it is over the fact that you have to credit the author/s of XFree86 if you make something that uses XFree86 code, JUST LIKE THE BSD LICENSE. It's nothing but a bunch of whiny-ass geek bitches complaining about pedantic bullshit that doesn't fucking matter, as per usual. GPL advocates are more than happy to force their bullshit (forced source redistribution) on anyone that uses their license, but as soon as someone else uses a license that forces COMPLETLY inconsequential things on GPL users, it's somehow a bad thing.

Re:XFree86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792173)

GPL advocates are more than happy to force their bullshit (forced source redistribution) on anyone that uses their license, but as soon as someone else uses a license that forces COMPLETLY inconsequential things on GPL users, it's somehow a bad thing.

It's not a question of it being a bad thing -- it's a question of wanting to not break the law.

Try not to be such a dumbass in the future, OK?

Re:XFree86 (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792200)

What law? The GPL isn't a law, the BSD license isn't a law. They're just licenses. Explain a little better before calling anyone a dumbass.

Remember... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791830)

When its hot outside, and your hemmoroids are even
hotter, just look to the cool relief of Preparation-H
to get you on your way.

I didn't see it in the changelog... (5, Insightful)

karmaflux (148909) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791858)

Does anyone know if the line
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
is included by fucking default in xorg.conf yet?

Re:I didn't see it in the changelog... (1, Insightful)

dSV3Hl (215182) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791940)

Why would it be? Not everyone has a scrollwheel on their mouse. Besides, it's wrong for some mice aswell.

Re:I didn't see it in the changelog... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792064)

Yeah... last time I installed X, I fucked default for nearly two hours before I collapsed, exhausted, and just typed the text in.

Re:I didn't see it in the changelog... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792114)

Don't be daft. What do you think this is, some sort of well designed, coherent and easy to use peice of software? You'll be wanting the ability to change your keyboard mapping and have fucking Konsole honour it instead of insisting on using a 101key American map instead, next!

Re:I didn't see it in the changelog... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792180)

Is there a way to get your thumb-button to work on some mice, e.g. Logitec Cordless Mouseman Wheel?

new kernel,new gnome, new gimp,new X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791886)

notworthy?

upgrade time!

way worthy !!!!

what distro?

Step forward (0, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791889)

And two steps back.

X11R6. I used that a decade ago.

Time gets spent squabbling about liscensing clauses and other political horseshit. Now we have how many code forks of it? How splintered, exactly, is the dev community around X11?

Linux on the desktop, that white elephant, will roam around in obscurity for another decade or so.

Re:Step forward (1)

Lolaine (262966) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792090)

Windows users have been using (different versions of) the GDI since 90's ... and I think windows is on the desktop momentum :D

Re:Step forward (2, Insightful)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792140)

Flamebait? He speaks the truth. X development is COMPLETELY FUCKING STAGNANT and it's all because of the petty squablling over bullshit issues. "Brad said I wasn't a good hacker, I'm gonna fork." "I don't like BSD style licenses, I'm gonna fork." "I don't like the main developers, I'm gonna fork."

And there's nobody there so say "Fuck it, someone has to get this shit moving along. Fuck the forks, let's just work on this thing."

David Dawes? (4, Interesting)

Featureless (599963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8791950)

Would someone in the know please, for the benefit of the crowd, enlighten us as to whether this entire exercise was, as much as anything else, to rid the mainstream "free software X" development of David Dawes?

From reading the coverage on slashdot so far and following the source material (including specific comments by major players that name his name), that's kind of the sense I get.

Of course, the process created more openness - you can say the openness is the primary reason, but again, from following the list archives, I got the sense he was a big part of why it wasn't so open in the first place...

freedesktop? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8791976)

so where does the freedesktop.org xserver fit in with Xorg? i noticed that Xorg has a page on freedesktop.org

Re:freedesktop? (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792220)

The X.org CVS tree is hosted in the freedesktop.org server. So I'd expect lots of colaborations..

Con job? (4, Interesting)

Queuetue (156269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792065)

I'm not saying *I* feel this way, but I was wondering what people think about David Dawes' statement to the effect that the big Linux Vendors were already planning to jump to X.org, because the collection of vendors can push it in directions that make the companies happier. He hints that they used the license issue as an excuse to wag the dog, and we users have been duped.

Re:Con job? (3, Interesting)

Queuetue (156269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792124)

Here's the actual quote from The Inquirer [theinquirer.net] :

"But David Dawes seems a little suspicious: "I have heard privately that some vendors were planning to move to an X.Org release even before this licence issue came up. That probably makes business sense for the vendors given that X.Org is a vendor-oriented organization sponsored by hardware and software companies, while XFree86 is an independent group of volunteer developers. I suspect that the licence issue may have affected the timing, but not the end result", he concluded. "

Re:Con job? (1)

kubrick (27291) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792236)

Didn't Dawes change the XFree86 licence to something pretty similar to what he used for his own company's work on the codebase, though, and isn't this what caused the fork in the first place? Something about a pot and a kettle?

Re:Con job? (5, Funny)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792224)

Yeah, that's obviously the reason why Debian was so quick to jump to X.org - cause they want to make their corporate masters happy.

</sarcasm>

Who had the vision? (1)

shachart (471014) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792160)

To back-order x.org a few years back?

Can I join your group? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8792177)

Brian: Can I join your [intriguing.com] group?

Reg: No. Piss off!

Brian: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.

...

Judith: Are you sure?

Brian: Oh, dead sure! I hate the Romans already.

Reg: Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.

Brian: I do!

Reg: Oh yeah, how much?

Brian: A lot!

Reg: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.

PFJ.: Yeah...Splitters!

PFJ: And the Judean Popular People's Front.

Francis: And the Judean Popular People's Front.

PFJ: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

Loretta: And the People's Front of Judea.

PFJ: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

Reg: What?

Loretta: The People's Front of Judea, splitters.

Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!

Loretta: I thought we were the Popular Front.

Reg: PEOPLE'S FRONT!

Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?

Reg: He's [mwscomp.com] over there.

PFJ: SPLITTER!

Politics! (-1, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 10 years ago | (#8792219)

It seems that politics are killing X11

I've got no clue what the new Xfree license entails... But nonetheless, I think the community is overreacting. By dropping Xfree, we no longer have any long-term alternatives (yeah, there are forks, but they haven't been around long enough to prove their stability or their worth).

Of course, I firmly believe that X needs to be replaced. Just not for political reasons. Whomever's in charge of X needs to form a panel of industry experts and draft an X12 protocol. In my mind, the panel should include network engineers, usability experts, etc. It must include representatives from both open and semi-open companies - Red Hat, the KDE and Gnome teams, present X developers, Apple, IBM, Sun, and possibly even Microsoft.

If we can create a modern standardized windowing protocol (which is what X11 essentially is, only broken and outdated), we can maxamize portability between platforms and radically simplify software development. Even Microsoft would jump on the bandwagon.

Let's not run ourselves up a river without a paddle. We need to maintain some sort of X11 system for the time being while we draft a new protocol. The current forks just don't seem stable enough, and seek to accomplish far too much and form their own proprietary standards. We need a completely new protocol so that everyone can work together and maintain compatibility.
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