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Lindows Agreeing to Change Name

simoniker posted about 10 years ago | from the minus-w dept.

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xandroid writes "It looks like Lindows.com has thrown in the towel for the fight to keep its name: the Seattle Times reports that they 'would not continue a worldwide legal battle with Microsoft.' They will announce the new name next Wednesday, although a favorite is Lindos -- 'because it's the W that is causing all the problems'." Update: 04/07 19:37 GMT by S : This is worth clarifying - Michael Robertson is claiming "...the company will go by a different name outside the U.S. until it can win the right to use the Lindows name internationally."

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Winux isnt the future (5, Funny)

stecoop (759508) | about 10 years ago | (#8794275)

because it's the W that is causing all the problems

So the name isn't going to be Winux - because problems with Ws.

Re:Winux isnt the future (5, Funny)

Bob McCown (8411) | about 10 years ago | (#8794337)

I can see the ads now:

Winux. The Opewating System fow Centuwions!

-Biggus Dickus

Re:Winux isnt the future (4, Informative)

red floyd (220712) | about 10 years ago | (#8794351)

No, that would by by Pilate.

Biggus Dickus would say,

"Linux. The Operating Thythtem for Thenturionth!"

Re:Winux isnt the future (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794338)

So they're going with Lindos? Is that Microsoft's latest version of MS-DOS? I'm confused!

New name suggestions here! (4, Funny)

bangular (736791) | about 10 years ago | (#8794449)

I think the solution should be a stab at microsoft. Maybe, "Bill Gates has no penis". Obviously they would have to create a cartoonish character that has the name bill gates, and that would be the particular bill gates in question. So there would be no confusion.

Re:New name suggestions here! (5, Funny)

Ernest P Worrell (751050) | about 10 years ago | (#8794508)

I think you have just come up with the best marketing idea ever. Gosh, who wouldn't buy atleast three copies of a product with a name like that?!?!

"Phffft, you're running Windows 2005. Lamer! I'm on BillGatesHasNoPenis 2.4, which is so much more superior."

haha sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794281)

sorry people, but this time i got fp. you so failed it. haha :D

Re:haha sorry (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794307)

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haw haw! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794324)

That was FUCKING AWSOME!

Way to FAIL IT!, d00d!

This seemed kind of inevitable. (4, Funny)

The I Shing (700142) | about 10 years ago | (#8794282)

I always kind of figured that Lindows would have to cave eventually. Microsoft is just too big and powerful to square off with over the name of a product, and I'm surprised that someone would create a name so obviously based on Microsoft's main product without considering the fact that the software giant would be almost forced to take legal action.

Instead of Lindos, how about Lindros? They could use the handsome face of the Canadian-born New York Ranger as their logo, but what slogan would they use? Maybe something about hacking?

Re:This seemed kind of inevitable. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794310)

The entire thing was a PR stunt anyway. Anyone who didn't see this coming was kidding themselves.

Re:This seemed kind of inevitable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794383)

Eric Lindros can barely handle a check anymore. He's still suffering post-concussion symptoms from his last concussion from more than a month ago.

And let's not get into why he was laughed out of Philly......

Anyways, I think Lindows can use a name better than Lindros, as they can survive the legal onslaughts much more easily than Big-E can an NHL game.

Re:This seemed kind of inevitable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794509)

I met Eric Lindros' brother in a bar once. I can't remember his name now, it was like Dave or something.

This was right after Lindros was drafted from the OHL and there was all the buzz about him being the next Gretzky, or at least Lemieux. What a dissapointment, everyone was hoarding his "Future Superstar" cardset thinking it'd be worht a mint.

Anyways, his brother was a skinny arrogant dickhead who couldnt go 10 seconds without mentioning that he's Eric Lindros' brother.

My point being, is that he TOTALLY represents what linux is, where it is, and why it'll stay there for all of eternity.

smart move (2, Funny)

SoTuA (683507) | about 10 years ago | (#8794285)

Enough like the old one to retain the brand recognition, and they can point out it is LindOS, if MS comes a-suing again. Of course, the question is "will it keep sucking?" ;)

Re:smart move (1)

Orgazmus (761208) | about 10 years ago | (#8794416)

Well, I only tried it once.
It was so far behind anything usefull.
I think it will continue its path into eternal suckyness.

Easy-Linux (3, Insightful)

dolo666 (195584) | about 10 years ago | (#8794286)

From 2003, when Robertson (of Lindows fame) answered /. questions [slashdot.org] he said, "When we started Lindows.com we believed that software installation was extremely difficult for most users".

To me this shows that Robertson is making his money on the connection between Linux, Windows and Lindows; by bridging the gap between the ease of windows and the better systemic designs of Linux. Therefore without the perfect name, Lindows may vanish into obscurity; but is a name that important? I think so, I don't think so... it doesn't matter really, does it? What to call it? How about Easy-Linux? Lindos won't work either, because it's got DOS in it...

Re:Easy-Linux (3, Informative)

aacool (700143) | about 10 years ago | (#8794360)

I'm sorry - Easy Linux is taken.

EasyLinux v1.2

Manufacturer: Easy Information Technology
E-Mail: info@eIT.de
URL: [easylinux.com] Price: $21 US (cd only)

Re:Easy-Linux (1)

Ernest P Worrell (751050) | about 10 years ago | (#8794371)

"DOS" doesn't have as much relavance nor does MS need to protect it like they do Windows. MS doesn't sell MS-DOS anymore, so who cares if someone tries to trick consumers into buying ... LS-DOS.

Lots of people still buy Windows, and I'll tell ya Lindows sure sounds similar to me.

Re:Easy-Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794422)

True, but who'd want their product to be associated with the name DOS, even accidentally? :)

Re:Easy-Linux (1)

dolo666 (195584) | about 10 years ago | (#8794469)

> True, but who'd want their product to be associated with the name DOS, even accidentally? :)

This was more my point than the point about any legal reasons for not naming it lindos. It's like a step in the *wrong* direction!

Re:Easy-Linux (0)

niktesla (761443) | about 10 years ago | (#8794439)

Yeah its got DOS in it, but there were planty of DOS like programs such as Dr. DOS, QuickDOS, etc. So if M$ has exclusive use of DOS then why didn't they sue them also? Oh wait, thats right M$ ripped DOS off from someone else. Oh, then there is also the ever popular DoS attacks:) So LindOS or Lindos shouldn't be a problem, but I'm no lawyer - I only play one on /. :)

Re:Easy-Linux (1)

dolo666 (195584) | about 10 years ago | (#8794506)

> How about Easy-Linux? Lindos won't work either, because it's got DOS in it...

To clarify, I mean that DOS is a step backward, not that there would be any legal reasons for not going this way. From Lindows to Lindos would be a step in the wrong direction! It's like the OS is aging or something...

What ever happened to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794289)

Lin----? (Pronounced ("Lindash"?

Re:What ever happened to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794336)

probably they realized it was a name that sucked even more than lindows itself! :o

If it's the last "w" that's causing the problem... (4, Funny)

bc90021 (43730) | about 10 years ago | (#8794290)

...why not just call it "Windos"? ;)

Re:If it's the last "w" that's causing the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794428)

howzabout loseDOS err... loserDOS?

That W (5, Funny)

BrodyVess (455213) | about 10 years ago | (#8794295)

Strange- the American economy and international reputation has the same issue. Its that W. thats causing all the problems

Re:That W (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794513)

You mean William Clinton, of course, since our reputation started to tank and the bubble burst while he was still in office.

f*ck lindows (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794296)

f*ck their self-absorbed CEO
f*ck their fraudulent business model (windows compatible my ass)
f*ck clik-n-play
f*ck linux
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
you

lindos eh (1)

Epyn (589398) | about 10 years ago | (#8794297)

That sounds great, linux dos, yeah, no lawsuits there.

Re:lindos eh (4, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | about 10 years ago | (#8794346)

DOS is just an acronym for Disk Operating System... if Caldera could/can have DR-DOS without copyright problems, I think Lindos would be pretty unencumbered.
Random thought: Why does everyone say IANAL? Wouldn't it be easier to assume no one is a lawyer unless they say otherwise?

Re:lindos eh (4, Funny)

Bingo Foo (179380) | about 10 years ago | (#8794411)

Wouldn't it be easier to assume no one is a lawyer unless they say otherwise?

Not in America.

Re:lindos eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794512)

Because acronyms aren't actually used to make things easier, they're for looking cool.

What's in a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794317)

Windows is really just DOS With Pictures.

Aww ... what a shame ... (1)

Ernest P Worrell (751050) | about 10 years ago | (#8794318)

And I was all about having Lindows go around and trick non-computer-savy consumers into buying their substandard product with their very similar, confusing name.

What ever happened to the old addage, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If you don't want to join 'em, then trick everyone into thinking you're 'em." Damn you Bill Gates!

Re:Aww ... what a shame ... (1)

Adriax (746043) | about 10 years ago | (#8794462)

What ever happened to the old addage, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If you don't want to join 'em, then trick everyone into thinking you're 'em." Damn you Bill Gates! That's a proprietary Microsoft business technique, though Amazon is attempting to sue for patent ownership.

Iceburg linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794320)

How about Iceburg Linux... Sinking the titanic known as Windows.

Couldn't they get in trouble for... (0, Redundant)

TimeForGuinness (701731) | about 10 years ago | (#8794328)

Is Lindos any better...I mean Microsoft could make a argument at LinDOS. Plus why would you want DOS in your name anyways.

Re:Couldn't they get in trouble for... (1)

Lussarn (105276) | about 10 years ago | (#8794387)

DOS is a generic term, hardly trademarked even by MS.

Re:Couldn't they get in trouble for... (1)

TimeForGuinness (701731) | about 10 years ago | (#8794450)

True, but we are talking about MS...I'm surprised they don't have a trademark on the swinging door to a fenced in yard due to its similarity to the Chief Software Architect's last name.

Re:Couldn't they get in trouble for... (1)

TimeForGuinness (701731) | about 10 years ago | (#8794484)

yes, I know its redundant...damn the preview button...and I still couldn't get "an argument" spelled correctly.

Lindos (5, Insightful)

kjdames (588423) | about 10 years ago | (#8794340)

Won't "Lindos" be just as scrutinized by Microsoft? After all, MikeRoweSoft was shot down, showing that a phonetic similarity is just as condemning as anything else.

Re:Lindos (0)

ganiman (162726) | about 10 years ago | (#8794511)

I believe DOS is an acronym, meaning Disk Operating System. Is that something that can really be copyright'd by M$? If M$ would have such a beef about DOS, then why didn't they go after IBM when they released PC-DOS? I think that M$ could only whine if someone borrowed the name MS-DOS, because that's what their command line product from the late 80s is really called, not just DOS.

How about Lindous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794344)

Another variant to consider would be Lindous.

Lindos? (0, Redundant)

Theatetus (521747) | about 10 years ago | (#8794347)

although a favorite is Lin
dos

Yeah... Microsoft sure couldn't have *ANY* objection to that...

Re:Lindos? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794395)

dos != ms-dos

Re:Lindos? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794438)

In Portuguese (and Spanish?):

Lindo -> substantive, masculine, singular: beautiful

Lindos -> same thing, plural

Dois lindos garotos. Two beautiful boys.

Enough said.

Lindows is a problem? (1)

Twister002 (537605) | about 10 years ago | (#8794353)

Ok, How about Windux? or !Windows?

Re:Lindows is a problem? (0)

longhairedgnome (610579) | about 10 years ago | (#8794427)

!windows
I think this would actually be a good idea, if it wouldn't suffer the same fate it obvisouly would. Consumers see the ! and instantly think, "Hey, this must be more powerful, faster, better than regular windows!!"

I can see it already... (0, Redundant)

y2imm (700704) | about 10 years ago | (#8794358)

MS sues Lindos, claiming the sequence dos infringes on MS-DOS.

NotWindows (5, Funny)

debaere (94918) | about 10 years ago | (#8794361)

I think the new name should be NotWindows.

How can they complain? Its obviously not windows, right? :)

It's the W (2, Funny)

Shipud (685171) | about 10 years ago | (#8794363)

...because it's the W that is causing all the problems.

Strike W from Windows and you get INDOS, which is an accurate description of the product.

Who Cares? (1, Troll)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | about 10 years ago | (#8794366)

For me, it's kind of a "who cares" thing. For better or worse, Microsoft ownd the trademark on Windows as it relates to operating systems. Lindows was clearly named what it was for that reason.

But it hardly matters really, Lindows is crap and sooner or later will vanish. Personnaly, I think Lindows is bad for Linux as far as gaining acceptance on the desktop or as a consumer OS.

And when it's "Lindos"... (0, Redundant)

domovoi (657518) | about 10 years ago | (#8794370)

Redmond will sue the bejeezus out of them because the last three letters of Lindos are DOS.

I recommend they call it "Artie" or perhaps "Biff" and hopscotch over MS's nonsense entirely.

Re:And when it's "Lindos"... (0)

Zaffo (755234) | about 10 years ago | (#8794445)

Well, they can claim that they're deriving it from the spanish translation for "handsome men"... don't know how well that'll hold up in court, though.

Why it's taking so long (1)

goldspider (445116) | about 10 years ago | (#8794374)

From configuring one existing OS (Linux) to imitate another (Windows) to a name that is at best a cheap knockoff of the Microsoft product, and at worst is intentionally deceptive, Lindows.com has yet to demonstrate a single gram of creativity.

30th post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794379)

:-p

From the "Michael's Minute" Email Group (4, Informative)

baudilus (665036) | about 10 years ago | (#8794382)

I downloaded LindowsOS that one day that they were offering for free (still haven't installed it), and I get these periodic emails from Michael Robertson (ceo Lindows?). This is the entire text:

Michael's Minute: Name Change:

Last week Judge Coughenour denied our request to block Microsoft's international legal barrage against Lindows.com. Two years ago Microsoft tried to stop Lindows in a U.S. court, but they were denied. Recently, they started piling on lawsuits from around the world attempting to achieve the same result. At the same time, Microsoft is publicly demanding that the EU respect the U.S. court actions concerning their monopolistic behavior and not impose their own rulings. Microsoft hypocritically has no such respect for the U.S. court decision which determined we can operate under the term Lindows pending a final resolution of the litigation.

Some people may be puzzled about why Microsoft is attacking Lindows and not doing the same for Red Hat - a leading Linux server company. Microsoft has their targets set on Lindows because we are a desktop company. Microsoft has used that desktop dominance to move into other areas and to fund campaigns to wipe out potential competitors (Netscape, Be, Lotus, etc.). Microsoft will attack anything that it believes challenges its desktop monopoly, since it is their life blood. I'm confident that when we get to trial in the U.S., Microsoft employee testimony and internal communications will reveal their true motivations. However it's going to take some time to get resolution due to Microsoft's delay tactics. In the interim, Lindows is unable to fully respond to demand for desktop Linux from countries around the world due to name uncertainty.

To assure that we can do business globally, we are in the process of selecting a different name for our web presence and product name. I believe it's the only way to respond to an onslaught from such a rich company, since we need to be able to continue to grow our business. (Only one of the richest companies in the world would launch 8 identical lawsuits from different countries.) Our US corporate name will remain Lindows Inc. since we have meaningful name recognition and product distribution.

Outside the US we will go by a different name until we can battle for the right to use Lindows internationally. The US case will probably take a year to go through the 9th circuit court of appeals and perhaps another year for possible Supreme Court review. Our plan is to go to trial in the US as soon as possible, at which time we hope to get windows declared a generic word. If we win, we plan to approach the State Department and ask them to petition foreign governments to invalidate the windows trademark as they have done for other generic computing terms like "database," "operating system" and "pascal," which companies have tried to register as trademarks in foreign countries.

Selecting a new name is more complex then you might think. A few weeks ago we asked for suggestions, and we were flooded with some creative ideas. My favorite was one user writing in to say our name should be "lindos" and our new slogan should be "because it's the W that is causing all the problems." :-) Finding a unique name for which domain names and trademarks are available takes real searching. We're now reviewing candidates and we will identify our new international name on April 14th. Once we identify a name, then we'll start the migration. Since we have thousands of web pages and more than 100 servers it will take considerable time to completely transition. The functionality in our product won't change, but outside the US people will know our products by a different name.

We're not taking this change lightly. We need to keep our business from being held back by legal uncertainty. So visit the website next week, April 14th after 1:00 p.m. PST for the unveiling of our new name.

-- Michael

Hopefully this sheds some light.

Re:From the "Michael's Minute" Email Group (1)

angle_slam (623817) | about 10 years ago | (#8794452)

Some people may be puzzled about why Microsoft is attacking Lindows and not doing the same for Red Hat

Maybe because the mark "Red Hat" bears absolutely no similarity to the mark "Windows"?

Another example of how the legal system is FUBAR (4, Informative)

Tassach (137772) | about 10 years ago | (#8794384)

This just goes to show the fundamental problem with the current legal system: regardless of the merit of their position, the rich can use the courts to impose their will on the poor by killing them with legal fees.

Re:Another example of how the legal system is FUBA (1)

Ernest P Worrell (751050) | about 10 years ago | (#8794468)

I know man, it's so F*** stupid. The rich already have money, so they don't deserve to have rights, let alone be allowed to protect their intellectual property.

Am I the only one (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#8794396)

... sick of hearing Robertson whine like the world is out to get him?

"I believe it's the only way to respond to an onslaught from such a rich company, since we need to be able to continue to grow our business," he said.

Boo hoo. Who cares what you think of MSFT, they're in the right, IMO. If the OS was called Lacintosh OSX, Apple would do the same thing.

Selling a "windows replacement" as "lindows" is pushing the line. Myself, I see it as a sleazy attempt to confuse unsavvy K-Mart shoppers into thinking they're getting Windows compatible machine.

If MS released "Winux" do you think Linus would excercise his TM rights? I do, and he should.

Screw this guy. He poked a bear with a stick, and is now crying that the bear took a run at him. He should consider himself lucky to get away, company intact, without being mauled.

Re:Am I the only one (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 10 years ago | (#8794472)

If MS released "Winux" do you think Linus would excercise his TM rights? I do, and he should.

I don't, any more than I think that Linus would go after "Unix", "A/UX", "AIX", or "Minix", or any more than the holders of those trademarks went after Linus. Somehow, everyone managed to get along with vaguely similar names *except* Microsoft and Robertson.

I will grant that Robertson is a terribly antagonizing fellow if you're competing with him (his prize to "port Linux to the X-Box via a hardware and software approach" that essentially subsidized a cracking of Microsoft's DRM scheme and their subsequent loss of a lot more than his $100,000 prize, was a slick strategic move but terribly unfriendly).

You should call it ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794405)

you should call it "Windows" since a judge recently said that Microsoft may not be able to keep the name legally because it's too common.

Re:You should call it ... (2, Interesting)

Deflagro (187160) | about 10 years ago | (#8794495)

That's what i was going to ask. Windows does not instantly imply Microsoft. To me, windows are used to look out of. Although there are similarities which are pretty funny. Windows are fragile and break easily. I guess the software is aptly named but i can't see how they can use windows as a trademark without the microsoft. IANAL but i was always curious about that.

Quality of a product is not in the name alone (1)

aacool (700143) | about 10 years ago | (#8794418)

The entire debate is pointless unless Robertson can prove he has a successful product, and a winning business model. To take a example, there are enough worldwide clones of Coke, but only one Coke. Or for that matter, a name like Windows is as generic as one can possibly get, but that does not stop the success of the company/product.

This should be seen as a step in the right direction, but more focus should be put on evaluating the distro itself, and the viability of the business.

Name: (1)

Sophrosyne (630428) | about 10 years ago | (#8794433)


\/\/1nD0\/\/Z ECKSPEE
No Judge in the world could convict you of thievery!
...I don't know what's worse, windows, or a linux distribution trying to be windows?

Can anybody verify how many servers they have? (1)

Rahga (13479) | about 10 years ago | (#8794455)

Article: Robertson's message said it will take time to shift to a new name, because Lindows has thousands of Web pages and 100-plus computer servers.

I'm sorry, but both of those numbers sound bogus, or the logic doesn't apply... If they are using database-backed dynamic pages, changing to a new name and domain should be rather easy.

On a related topic, at http://support.lindows.com/ [lindows.com] , the Knowledge Base they are using looks a like like ones I've seen in other sites, such as ximian's and Sierra's sites. I have no idea what the name of the software is though, and with my company wanting to deploy a knowledge base for their own software, I'd like to know which it is to save some research time.

Software naming issues (4, Insightful)

Chromodromic (668389) | about 10 years ago | (#8794457)

Lindows.com has been asking customers for name suggestions. Robertson said his favorite was that the new name be "Lindos" along with the slogan, "Because it's the W that is causing all the problems."

Why is it so difficult to find decent software names? Why does Adobe have "Photoshop" and the open source community have "The Gimp", which literally means a person with a limp? Why is there "Oracle" and "SQL Server", one which is cool, both historically and as a product brand, and one which is straightforward and easy to remember (if nothing else), but the OS community as "PostgreSQL"?

A lot of programmers in the Slashdot community take cheap shots at marketing and this is important, because extreme marketing types can be every bit as annoying as extreme nerds, but it would be nice if it was acknowledged that marketing is, actually, a legitimate discipline and that product naming is important.

Lindos? So this is the BEST they can do?: Ask the community or drop the 'W'? Come on, guys. You came up with the software, why not make a legitimate effort to take the name seriously?

Would you go around to all your friends to ask what to name your child? And if you couldn't come up with anything by taking a poll would you just, say, drop the 'H' in John, if that was your first name, and call it done? I mean let's face it, good software is a lot harder to make than a baby, for most of us anyway ...

RE:Lindows Agreeing to Change Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794467)

May I suggest Snapple?

Linux in a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8794491)

What is I legally changed my name to Linux?

Would SCO sue me?

Kind of a shame (2, Insightful)

Experiment 626 (698257) | about 10 years ago | (#8794492)

At one point, Lindows had been taking the position that Lindows could not be infringing upon the Windows trademark, because Windows was itself an invalid trademark (already being a common term within the computer industry before MS started using it). I had really wanted to see how this played out. I think Lindows was correct on this assessment; MS was improperly granted a trademark on an already-existing term from that field. On the other hand, there is now so much business, brand recognition, and so forth built upon that trademark by now that the situation would be very difficult to correct, even if MS's hordes of attorneys failed to convince the judge to leave the situation be. The legal questions raised in that particular side of the case was what I was most interested in hearing the answers to, but now it's not something we're likely to see addressed.

linDOS? (1)

telstar (236404) | about 10 years ago | (#8794496)

linDOS? I though we were well past DOS.

Seriously though, why don't they just give it some unique name and stop playing silly naming battles. I wish they'd focus on their product, and not silly legal battles that they KNEW they were inviting with their choice of name. Sure, it brought attention to their company, but get over it. Make it fast. Make it good. Name it "purple" if it makes you happy ... just stop raising the cost of building the product with lawsuits.
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