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Technology Spontaneously Combusts In Sicily

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the skeptics-skeptical dept.

Science 1010

Zacronos writes "According to MSNBC, ever since mid-January, various electronic devices have been spontaneously combusting in the now evacuated town of Canneto di Caronia, Sicily; at this point, the fires are almost daily. The town has been disconnected from the larger electrical grid and was hooked to a generator, but that, too, caught fire. Even unplugged items have succumbed. Nothing seems to have burst into flame except where there is someone present to witness it, but the police no longer suspect a prankster -- after witnessing wires catch fire without cause. Scientists have yet to explain the phenomenon (although unproven theories abound), leading many people to look to supernatural causes."

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1010 comments

First post sluts (-1)

Jim Florentine (586871) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801915)

Propz to Saddam.

Re:First post sluts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802088)

Propz to Saddam.

Yay, Hitler.

(Don't be so shocked. It's the same damn thing.)

test (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801918)

test sry -- fbernard@ze-newsonline.com

Hmm. (2, Interesting)

messiuh (206505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801925)

I'm thinking, can any kind of EMP cause this?

Re:Hmm. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801937)

Nope.

Re:Hmm. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801986)

You mean if any kind of EMP is the cause of you thinking?

Re:Hmm. (4, Insightful)

Vihai (668734) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802051)

I'm italian and i followed the story with much interest. Unfortunately news lacked important details about phenomenons, when and how they happened and expecially which of them were true.

If it was an EMP so strong to burn power lines, why didn't it fry all the small electronics (including scientist's instruments) which are more susceptible to EM fields?

Neg (0, Insightful)

RavidgeMole (523271) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802044)

No, an EMP just disrupts electronics, doesn't blow them up. Though I suppose blowing them up would be one hell of a way to DDoS an ISP.

Re:Hmm. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802071)

The common thread in the fires is objects connected to wires, whether powered wires or not. Wires are after all antennas though the matching frequency depends on length. It's well known in RF engineering that under the right circumstances, RF energy can cause high temperatures at impedance boundaries. Quite possibly some high power RF source is causing the phenomena. One of my guesses is energy bouncing off the ionosphere and coming from far away, maybe the US military's HAARP, or something the Russians have. The fact that all the occurrences are in one tiny village midway between some railroad lines and the ocean is odd since nothing industrial or military is nearby. I'd say it's accidental and the result of military testing elsewhere.

Re:Hmm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802100)

maybe the US military's HAARP

Wouldn't it be totally awesome if we had something like that?

Virgin Mary (5, Funny)

UID1000000 (768677) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801926)

Many many people will soon flock to Sicily to see the virgin Mary.

Sadly, in the news, a number of faithful Catholics have suddenly burst into flames today.

Re:Virgin Mary (4, Funny)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801943)

sudden my ass, it took 3 hours to set that up!

Article one week old (1, Insightful)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801929)

Could it be that this article was first posted one week ago, on Thursday?

Re:Article one week old (1)

AppyPappy (64817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801942)

Thank you. I thought I was clairvoyant for a minute.

Re:Article one week old (1)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801953)

Have u tryed a search?

No way! (4, Funny)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801969)

It was posted today! The fact that this news piece appears backdated in other websites proves there is something supernatural involved!!

*Jumps into Holy Water pool*

Re:Article one week old (5, Informative)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801981)

No, it is not an April Fools joke. For details, see http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/canneto.htm that has been covering events for 5 weeks already.

Crazy theory? (2, Funny)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801932)

I knew Windows Longhorne wasn't ready to be released

Re:Crazy theory? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801954)

Crazy theories means untrue and far out, not real and down-to-earth.

Bah... (2, Funny)

odano (735445) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801933)

It looks to me like the whole thing was just invented. I'll bet if I visited, I could find the problem in two minutes... tops.

Confirmation? (3, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801935)

Can any Sicilian slashdotter confirm this seemingly unlikely story?

Re:Confirmation? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801967)

Bah - I'm from Sicily and this story is a complete load of **BZZZZZZZZTT*

NO CARRIER

Re:Confirmation? (3, Funny)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801975)

Nope : They won't switch their computer on to discuss about this since it might catch fire :)

Re:Confirmation? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801977)

If their computer which isn't connected to a electricity grid doesn't combust...

Re:Confirmation? (5, Funny)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801996)

OK, Can any sicilian slashdotter with a carrier pigeon or a battery powered CB radio confirm this?

Re:Confirmation? (4, Funny)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802096)

I have an unladen European Swallow...

Re:Confirmation? (2, Funny)

chendo (678767) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801979)

I'm a Sicilian slashdotter and I haven't seen it ye- (#*@$#)@(&)DF%N CARRIER LOST

Re:Confirmation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802010)

1) That's not redundant
2) That should be NO CARRIER

Re:Confirmation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801984)

*shh* it's La Cosa Nostra...

Re:Confirmation? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802011)

In Soviet Sicily, the story confirms YOU, you insensitive CLOD!
On more serious note, you can't even RTFA because the FA isn't there anymore, which makes /. full of a bunch of FAs. Now STFU, you fudge-packing kindergarten fornicators

Re:Confirmation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802014)

I'm not Sicilian but I live in Italy; the story is not really "new" but seems to be true. Some scientists proposed to explain the phaenomen as a sort of "power sourge" springing from the underground...

Re:Confirmation? (4, Informative)

DavidNWelton (142216) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802033)

This has been in the news here in Italy on and off for a couple of months. I'd still want to see it with my own eyes though...

Re:Confirmation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802047)

some months ago, when i for the first time knew of this thing, i was thinking about a prankster... but who knows...
on the italian tv i have seen some people taking all the electric wires out of the walls of their house...

Slash and burn (1, Funny)

nekosej (302666) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801936)

Electrical devices burst into flames... I guess then slashdotting them is akin to putting out the fire with gasoline.

well... (5, Funny)

snub (140826) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801940)

Obviously, if they were running Linux this wouldn't be happening now would it?

Re:well... (5, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802002)

See what happens when you don't pay your $699?

Re:well... (4, Funny)

phaxkolumbo (572192) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802087)

Well mine said a while ago:

kernel: lp0 on fire

Are you sure that Linux is really safe? I'm scared.

Best quote: "We're working in the dark..." (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801944)

From the article: "We're working in the dark. We don't have a single lead so far," said Pedro Spinnato, mayor of the trio of Caronia towns.

Re:Best quote: "We're working in the dark..." (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802073)

I dunno, I sorta like the two lines before those ones:

"An endless flow of scientists, engineers, police and even a few self-styled 'ghostbusters' have descended on the town, searching for clues to the recent spontaneous combustion of everything from fuse boxes to microwave ovens to a car. The blazes, originally blamed on the devil, have not hurt anyone."

...or this one stuck on the side of the article:

" 'I've seen things like this before. Demons occupy a house and appear in electrical goods.' --Gabriele Amorth, Exorcist"

Could it be... (1, Funny)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801945)

...a lesser-known sign of the apocalypse?

I mean, another has already come true -- We've got the little-known 5th Horseman [apocalipsis.org] roaming the earth, and has its own variety show [go.com] .

What? You didn't know she was the Horsman of Stupidity?

HOAX!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801947)

this is all bullshit

I don't meant to be blasphemous, but... (4, Funny)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801949)

"Jesus!"

I feel sorry for any IT professionals walking around with a pager, NEXtel, and a PDA in their pockets/belts. Ouch!

Re:I don't meant to be blasphemous, but... (0)

NeuralAbyss (12335) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802080)

WTF is a 'NEXtel'?

The Slashdot Effect (2, Funny)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801950)

In unrelated news, media reports that many websites carrying "news for nerds, stuff that matters" spontaneously combust, especially when lots of people are witnessing it. Apparently, a Sicilian hosting company has been hit particularly hard.

The Godfather Part 4 (5, Funny)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801955)

I knew they'd struggle to come up with a script for the new Godfather movie, but Sicilian electrical appliances killing each other in a fiery vendetta is surely stretching credibility?

Re:The Godfather Part 4 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802032)

"Just when thought I was thru, they pull me back in" you insensitive CLOD!

It's the Trigens! (-1, Offtopic)

Mantrid (250133) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801961)

It's those Trigens again, lousy monkeys!

Heh. .. (2, Funny)

messiuh (206505) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801962)

Looks like siciliy finally got the boot!

*badum ching!*

Old news... (1, Funny)

BlastM (663010) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801964)

Web servers burst into flame all the time when they are linked from SlashDot.

Volcano Experts? (5, Funny)

imag0 (605684) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801971)

...Colored markings on the street indicate the presence of volcano experts...

Sweet jumpin' Jesus! The volcano 'experts' must have burned up and left little *poof* marks where they stood.

The Score (5, Interesting)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801972)

Scientists have yet to explain the phenomenon ... leading many people to look to supernatural causes

It really makes me sad when, if people don't understand something they assume it's magic. Why is it that so many people refuse to take 'we don't know yet' as an acceptable answer?

Science: 0
Magic: 1

:/


-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]

Re:The Score (1)

vudufixit (581911) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801995)

Any insufficiently explained-away magic is therefore indistinguishable from technology?

Re:The Score (5, Insightful)

slackerboy (73121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802009)

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."--Arthur C. Clarke

Re:The Score (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802049)

To a fagg, any sufficiently advanced rectum is indistinguishable from a cunt

Re:The Score (4, Insightful)

finkployd (12902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802039)

What is magic, if not simply something we do not (yet) understand?

Finkployd

Re:The Score (3, Interesting)

madprof (4723) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802067)

Magic is a trick. This is the point. Magicians call themselves 'illusionists' - they can (very cleverly) fool you into believing all sorts of things.
David Copperfield did not make the Statue of Liberty disappear but created the illusion that it had done so.

Re:The Score (-1, Redundant)

TwistedGreen (80055) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802069)

Well it certainly isn't an explanation.

Re:The Score (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802083)

> Why is it that so many people refuse to take 'we don't know yet' as an
> acceptable answer?

Because most people are stupid and are unable to solve a problem rationally by first investigating it, looking at likely solutions and discounting them until they arrive at the only possible solution.

Charles Fort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802084)

Has anyone out there read Charles Fort?

He drove Logical Positivists into a raging fury!

He would have loved a story such as this.

because... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802086)

It's CANNETO DI CARONIA, Sicily a small town of only 39 residents.

I suspect that most didn't receive an education beyond what we consider 6th grade.

We all know how most 6th graders would react to something like this. It's a Ghost!

I also suspect that their religious "training" far exceeds their 6th grade formal education.

Given the Religious bias towards education, the Ghosts now become Devils.

Or blame the military, CIA, Illuminati... (4, Insightful)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802091)

if people don't understand something they assume it's magic.

Or some evil, sinister military/CIA project. Do a quick Google seach on HAARP and/or weather control and you'll see.

Re:The Score (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802093)

Magic is, by definition, what we don't understand.

Human nature (3, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801973)

It will be fun watching people make asses out of themselves over this.


You only have to look at all the loony beliefs in the world to know that people will leap to the most ridiculous conclusions at the drop of a hat.


"We can identify that flying object so therefore it must be an advanced alien scout ship!" etc.


It's sad really. No doubt when the mundane reason for this story becomes clear (e.g. hoax, sensational reporting or whatever), there will be another bunch of loons accusing the Italian government of a 'coverup'.

Duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801976)

The answer is obvious: Sark is testing out the Rambaldi device. DUH!

Radar Installation Nearby (2, Interesting)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801982)

Do there happen to be any radar installations nearby?

Re:Radar Installation Nearby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802024)

Although I haven't been to Sicily recently,
there used to be a radar system watching out
towards Libya.

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8801985)

This was forecast [awitness.org] 2000 years ago.

Easter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802036)

One cannot discount Easter weekend coming up. The time between Palm Sunday and Good Friday have been called the passion. (Hince the movie name, The Passion of the Christ) Just remember one verse: "Every knee shall bow"

Prophecy may be starting to come true.

THE ALIENS ARE COMING :D (2, Funny)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801987)

Who is to say that they aren't?

I mean, aliens don't have to be our size, they could be tiny little critters that can't be seen with the naked eye.
This could just be a series of tiny little BBQ's gone wrong?

If I was an alien, Sicily would seem like a nice place to go :)

This will happen in the US soon too... (4, Funny)

syntap (242090) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801988)

if the RIAA and Microsoft get all of their DRM technology in order.

Wow, the new Janet Jackson single... gimmee gimmee gimmee playing WOOOOOOOOOF! FLAMES!

There's something weird in the neighborhood, (2, Funny)

Stu Catz (728228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801993)

who you gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS! heh, i had to do it.

Limits of Science (5, Insightful)

Fortress (763470) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801994)

I find this a good example of those phenomena that science can't yet explain. I'm often amused by science types that say something is impossible because it doesn't fit any current theory.

Seems to me any true scientist should always be watching for observations that don't fit the known theory, as they are indicators of a nedd for further refinement.

Sadly, scientists, like most people, are more interested in being right, and tend to look for confirming evidence, sometimes to the detriment of their conclusions.

Before you flame me as an anti-science zealot, let me confess that I'm a science guy as much as your average geek, and I think science is responsible for most of the good changes of the last few centuries. I just think that when we hold too tight to our theories, we leave the realm of skeptical science and enter the world of blind faith.

BTW, I have no plausible explanation for the spontaneous fires. But I am confident that someone will come up wih one that doesn't invole a tinfoil hat.

Re:Limits of Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802019)

Shut up, anti-science zealot. You don't know the half of what goes on here! My vary talking to you puts me in danger, and yourself but you're unimportant. RUN! FOR THE SAKE OF ALL OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN BEAMED UP ALSO!!!!!

Re:Limits of Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802053)

Where is Charles Fort now that the world needs him?

This is just another example of one of his "damned facts".

A little late (1)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801997)

for april fools day... MSNBC - The Time Stops here!

Perhaps volcanic activity is the cause? (4, Informative)

Phoenix-kun (458418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8801998)

Here is an interesting and recent article [ebicom.net] that has some further details on the subject.

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802000)

Featured over on El Reg [theregister.co.uk] almost 2 months ago.. Maybe it's something atmospheric reacting with a common componenet in wiring or something.

Isn't that where - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802003)

- they're testing the new FireWire protocol?

prescot (0)

brian728s (666853) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802012)

I bet they just upgraded to prescots.

Aurora Borealis? (4, Funny)

re-Verse (121709) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802015)

And strangely fitting:

" "....My God! Is that your kitchen on fire?"
"Err, no. It's Aurora Borealus."
"An Aurora Borealus?"
"Yes."
"At this time of the day, at this time of year, in this part of the country, localized entirely in your kitchen?!"
".....Yes."
"....Can I see it?"
".....No."

Mod Parent Up (2, Informative)

Fortress (763470) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802045)

This is possibly the funniest exchange ever between Principal Skinner and Superintendant Chalmers.

re-Verse, you steam a fine ham.

You need protection in Sicily... (2, Funny)

aapold (753705) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802016)

Or sometimes things just.... catch fire..... we wouldn't want that now would we?

Yay! (4, Funny)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802021)

Spinnato, the mayor, sounds just as desperate.

"Someone wrote to us saying the solution was to sacrifice a black goat and collect its blood. At some point, that's going to start looking like a good idea."

Wohoo! They took my advice!

This looks like a job for.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802023)



This looks like a job for AGENT USA... perhaps he can get rid of the fuzz bomb mennis

Re:This looks like a job for.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802046)

Ah... the days of great C64 games.

Not Unique (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8802027)

Believe or not, similar incidents have occurred before.

o 1945 - A village a short distance from Almera in Spain (New York Time 5th July 1945).

o 1983 - A small coal town in West Virginia, Wharncliffe (Housten Post 16th June 1983 and Columbus Dispatch 24th July 1983)

o 1990 - San Gottardo in the Berici Hills of Italy
(UK Sunday Express 11th March 1990 and The Guardian 22nd March 1990)

I've given you references so you can check them out for yourself.

(posted anonymously to avoid Slashdotters you refuse to think about things which don't fit inside their predefined universe).

Re:Not Unique (2, Insightful)

madprof (4723) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802089)

Please do provide references! Scepticism is a natural and healthy thing.

Historical (1)

RavidgeMole (523271) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802030)

So that's how Mussolini made the trains run on time, he just clustered the country's electronic services. Some new guy on the job probably just hooked up the cluster to the wrong outlet and blew the thing. ;)

What do you expect? (1)

Perdition (208487) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802031)

Sun and Microsoft burying the hatchet, Lindoze having to concede to the one world power, I'm dating seriously now, this is like 50th on the list... the end is near!

here it comes... (-1, Redundant)

Raagshinnah (670749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802042)

There isn't anything wrong with electronic devices here, everything is jus!%(*@!((!!@#(#!(@#(NOCARRIER

Wow, I really want to go there (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802043)

To that isolated poor village, I mean. I wonder if I can persuade any of the locals to show me the location of some of these events and tell me a story about them in return for some sort of donation [go.com] .

New for Linux users (1)

thekiddd (731178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802048)

I think its SCO and Microsoft testing a new product.

all this is measureable (5, Interesting)

VTdude (526304) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802062)

1. The anchient art of measuring EMI is not exactly lost. Italy is covered with individuals from test labs to HAM radio operators who can take a few spectrum analyzers with antennas and powerline couplers and measure EMI an conducted emissions and look for these surges.

2. America is one of the few nations in the world where the power going out or setting firest makes the news, in most of the world it happens daily.

3. About a decade ago Italy ruled their version of the FCC incompetent and disbanded them. Though there are EU rules to deal with, it is a wild west of wireless where you can send photon-torpedo strength EMI around with no-one to slap you until the mobs find you.

Very suspicious (1, Funny)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802065)

Hmmm, first unexpected fires in Sicily burn down buildings. Then some guy with a bent nose walks up to the neighbors and says,

"You don a wanna yo microwava to a burna downa yo housa, you paya mia $100 a montha."

Most suspicious.

Overreaction (-1, Redundant)

ocie (6659) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802072)

I've been here all week and there's nothing wrong BANG! ~~~~~++++
CARRIER LOST

believe it (0)

sir_lichtkind (651434) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802075)

i was studiying this things for a longer time, and they are real , no matter what happened in this case. that are enough well documented cases. that can destroy any doubt. i think its still embarrassing that people think that such things are only x-file bogus. all these "mystery stuff". i tell you brother before you open your mouth. stay skeptic but dig into the facts use your intuition, and shit on FUD. my $ent = 2;

Obviously (2, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802076)


It's the result of scientists ignoring Zero Point Energy [calphysics.org] for so long. Now it is rearing it's ugly head.

Well, it is in a bad area (1)

mrshowtime (562809) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802085)

The town is located in a Valley Called "Val Demons." Honestly, I can't think of any natural reason why electronis would spontaneously combust. Shit, even things that are unplugged are blowing up. Yah, that's "natural."

Sicily (-1, Redundant)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8802097)

Fortunately, Sicily is an island. That means the risk of this thing spreading is!#$!&@(
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