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Microsoft Clips Longhorn

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the going-to-the-vet-to-get-tutored dept.

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Gr8Apes writes "Microsoft is clipping Longhorn to get the already-delayed follow-up to Windows XP out the door by 2006. MS has decided to remove some of the most ambitious features. Blackcomb is the version to follow Longhorn, and is expected at the end of the decade. The full new file system feature has been moved to Blackcomb. Other notable parts of the story, in MS's efforts to get its DRM into play, a new version, Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs, which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player. This version will have the ability to shop at on-line stores like the one MS plans to launch later this year. It's their move to 'outflank Apple'."

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WinFS WILL be in the next version, just no network (5, Informative)

Novanix (656269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815279)

The /. Summary says the "Full new file system feature has been moved to Blackcomb" and while true, it is misleading. The article actually says WinFS is still going to be in the next version of Windows (which is what it is talking about), it simply won't work over the network, meaning file shares won't work in the same way. This is a lot different from it being completely removed, as it is one of Longhorn's biggest features. Having this over network would be completely insane for most situations too. With many servers not upgrading to this file sharing would have to support the old version anyway so that corporate environments could function without upgrading everything. In addition, while the WinFS has the possibility of being a great help to individuals, it would be much harder to use over a clouded network environment.

Re:WinFS WILL be in the next version, just no netw (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815365)

You expect accurate summaries from /. stories on Microsoft? That will happen when Linux has 90% market share.

You could submit a story that Microsoft causes cancer, and they'd publish it with a bunch of spoof or dead links without batting an eye.

Re:WinFS WILL be in the next version, just no netw (5, Funny)

jmulvey (233344) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815467)

You could submit a story that Microsoft causes cancer, and they'd publish it with a bunch of spoof or dead links without batting an eye.

That would just be tit-for-tat. Forrester Research has already concluded that Linux/J2EE causes colon cancer [theserverside.com]

Re:WinFS WILL be in the next version, just no netw (1)

dabadab (126782) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815419)

Will WinFS support symlinks? (Or something functionally equivalent?)

Re:WinFS WILL be in the next version, just no netw (0)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815516)

i'm using win2k probably on NTFS and symlinks work just fine. JUNCTION.EXE is what i use.

Re: Future of Samba (2, Interesting)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815437)

Wonderful. So when WinFS does get on the network, will linux be able to recognize it? What will become of Samba?

This seems like a not so sneaky move by Microsoft to shut out interoperability between linux and windows platforms. I am VERY glad therefore, that this is still 5 years off at the earliest.

Maybe we can start calling Blackcomb the Death Star.

OK I'm being a little extreme here, but if my company upgrades to Windows Blackcomb and I can't interoperate over a PPTP connection, I'll have to dump linux for my work... Which would really suck, now that I've got everything working so I CAN use linux for my job.

I really want to see where this is going. I don't know anything about the WinFS network formats, and if they will include the ability of backwards compatibility with other OS types on the network.

Re: Future of Samba (4, Insightful)

twbecker (315312) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815494)

Gimme a break. While I don't doubt that MS thinks that killing FS compatibility with other OS's is perfectly fine, I think the idea that the sole purpose of moving to a relational FS is to kill such compatibility is a little tinfoil hat-ish.

Re: Future of Samba (4, Informative)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815533)

I would not worry about it. WIN/FS is not an fs at all. It is nothing more then a meta database, system service. Its only a file system in terms of marketing speak. As far as how data is stored on the disk it is just NTFS, nothing new. There is no reason why it could not be implemented on Linux or any other operating system. The only reason it won't work on fat is you need some file system features like extended artibutes so you can flags files to facilitate sorting them with the meata database. Actually if you did someting like UMSDOS does and kept an external data file and then just hid it with the driver then you could implement on a less advanced file system. So in short WINFS is nothing more then additional bloatware that most people won't use and those who do will missuse to the point where it becomes entirely useless and only creates more overhead on the system.

fr1st ps0t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815286)

fr1st ps0t

Typical.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815287)

Great, now Longhorn will just be Windows XP with pretty themes and SP2. And in typical microsoft fashion, the OS will cost yet another $200.

What a waste!

Re:Typical.... (0, Funny)

rixstep (611236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815371)

Yeah! So right!

I'll stick with OS X where I get Expose for only $129,

Clipping Longhorn (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815289)

NOOOOOO! CLIPPY! NOT AGAIN!

Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (3, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815296)

And that is "Windows Secure".

A platform that will let you browse, email, and generally enjoy the Internet without risk of viruses, trojans, worms or spam.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (2, Informative)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815341)

If you take one or two simple security precautions all of windows already IS secure.

1. keep up to date with patches
2. run a good firewall
3. don't click on mail attachments
4. don't click on documents to load them, only load them through the applications that created them
5. don't use p2p to download pirated software/music/videos

then you're safe. these are simple precautions that should be used on ANY operating system, macos included now if you read the latest virus reports.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1)

EvilSporkMan (648878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815421)

Why do you recommend not downloading music and videos for security reasons? Seems unnecessary to me...

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815429)

So you're suggesting breaking the law?

Moron

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (0)

Ralph Yarro (704772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815505)

So you're suggesting breaking the law?

Huh?

"If you want your computer to be secure, don't park illegally."

"What does parking illegaly have to do with computer security?"

"So you're suggesting breaking the law?"

You might have a valid point about exposing computers to viruses by downloading pirated software, but you haven't made it. Your response here was just silly.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1)

EvilSporkMan (648878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815515)

I was speaking from a security perspective, as specified by the "for security reasons" in my post.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1, Flamebait)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815517)

Why is it that the Microsofties always want the "common people" to follow "the law" in every small detail but have no problem with Microsoft breaking the law, lying in court and faking evidence?

I for one say that the big lesson learned from the Microsoft trials is:

It's OK to break the law when you can get away with it

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (2, Funny)

archonit.net (762880) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815479)

Doing help and support you end up fixing MOST of the problems when people are attempting to download music / videos - not doing casual browsing of the internet. When someone purposely looks for 'free music downloads' or something similiar then they are bound to run into sites that are bloating out the seams with popup advertising and activeX scripts that do everything but butter your toast. Actually, telling the average user note to download *anything* seems to work the best. 6 months virus free as a result down here!

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (4, Funny)

Gerald (9696) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815490)

This sounds like my first car. It was safe to drive as long as you:
  1. Didn't drive in the rain (wipers didn't work).
  2. Didn't drive on wet roads (bald tires).
  3. Didn't poke an appendage through the hole in the floorpan at speed.
  4. Held onto the driver's side door during right turns (it flew open).
  5. Kept a spare battery in the trunk.
  6. Kept a spare clutch and throwout bearing in the trunk.
Just a few simple precautions, and you were perfectly safe.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815522)

Haha. You forgot:

7. Don't let your wife drive.
8. Don't drive under influence.
9. Keep the kids quiet in the back.
10. Don't do more than 40mph.
11. Keep spare brake fluid in a bottle.

You're dead right. Selling products "for the masses" with a list of "OK so long as you..." is useless.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815542)

heeeheeeheeheee, anyone else love the irony of someone saying "one of two simple measures" then specifically numbering FIVE things you need to do?

So what you're saying is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815557)

That as this grows longer and more complex, Windows will become harder to use than Linux, where today:

1. Patches are very few
2. Firewalls are often installed by default (Lindows, Xandros)
3. Mail attachments are safe (can't catch Win32 viruses)
4. Other attachments are safe (can't catch Office macro viruses)
5. P2P is safe (can't catch... etc.)

Actually, it's already easier to use Linux than Windows. Excellent reason to switch!

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815562)

Hm... These are all user functions. This tells much about the people who unknowingly propagate worms and viruses.

I overheard this Help Desk call-in at work. It came from an office (read: high-paid individual).
Hello, IT? I just received an email that had an attachment. I didn't know what it was so I clicked on it and now people are calling me saying I'm sending out a virus...(silence)...Well, I thought I recognized the person listed in the From: field but now that I look at it again I have no idea who this person is....

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (5, Insightful)

Dr Reducto (665121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815350)

A platform that will let you browse, email, and generally enjoy the Internet without risk of viruses, trojans, worms or spam.

.....If only such a platform existed. I would buy it. Unfortunately, not even Linux, BSD, or even OS X is capable of this. There is always risk. The point is to minimize the risk, but you can never eliminate it.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815380)

Actually, the product exists and it's called Knoppix. Boot up, surf freely and safely.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815543)

lol, ya know this dude is right.

mod 'em up.

bullshit (3, Interesting)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815473)

Just throw OpenBSD onto a box, with all incoming ports (even ssh) firewalled off, and just a web browser and email client, maybe IM as well. Make it so that those apps are the only ones that may be run by the user, don't give him a home directory, don't give him any drives except a read-only flash device, close off all outgoing ports except those needed for web and email, close off all UDP, don't allow user programs (not even Java applets), don't allow for reception of attachements beyond textual ones, weld the box shut.

While it's technically possible to break the box open and mess with it, it should be immune to viruses and trojans. Spam is another matter of course, but disallowing the posting of an email address on a form might help.

If you still want to buy it, I can get you some.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815372)

This is not Interesting. This is a troll but I'll bite.

No platform, especially one deployed at such great lengths, will be 100% secure... There are just too many things that could possibly cause problems.

Would it be economically viable for MS to develop this? I doubt it.

Why not just make all versions of Windows "Secure" then?

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (5, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815471)

It's hardly a troll.

Windows' security is the number one issue facing the company, and this is by their own declaration.

More functionality makes more complexity, which creates more security vulnerabilities.

Microsoft's users are currently seriously exposed to trojans, worms, and viruses. The advice of "protect your systems" is useless, even malicious, when 95% of PC users are technically naive, and when this is the very reason that Windows has spread to every corner of the PC market.

Microsoft's core market consists of people who cannot install patches, who don't know the different between spams and real emails, and who have a finite capacity for being hit by malware before they will abandon the Internet or find alternative platforms.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (1)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815374)

I've been saying this about OSS projects for a long time now as well.

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (2, Funny)

rixstep (611236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815393)

I think you're referring to Microsoft Linux (and its mascot will indeed be Clippy, colleagues at the recent PDC tell me).

Microsoft Linux is due out 2007, right after the breakup (of MS that is).

Re:Microsoft needs exactly ONE new product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815556)

What you mean, of course, is that Microsoft needs to release an MS-branded Linux distribution.

Vegas, a good place for a Naming Convention (5, Funny)

andyrut (300890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815301)

Also in the long line of adjective-noun combinations for their operating systems, Microsoft will follow up on Longhorn and Blackcomb with Sweatyphone, Steelfridge, and Purpletoilet.

Re:Vegas, a good place for a Naming Convention (4, Interesting)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815370)

Actually, they take the names from ski areas in British Columbia. I think Longhorn is a bar on Whistler mountain.

Re:Vegas, a good place for a Naming Convention (1)

andyrut (300890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815455)

Hey, cool [whistlerblackcomb.com] . So it appears that Dubhlinn, Garibaldi, and Dusty's would be appropriate candidates for future version names as well. :)

Re:Vegas, a good place for a Naming Convention (1)

Cyram (262342) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815472)

That'd be interesting. I was agreeing with the parent's (well, parent of the parent) humor about Blackcomb's name. I even like Firesomething more (yeah, not the real name, but you know...).

Here's a list I found while browsing google of all the windows codenames (if anyone cares). They are, of course, many taken from cities, but does anyone live in British Columbia? I'd be interested to see if maxbang (parent) is right about the ski area thing.

http://www.phm.lu/Documentation/Windows/Codenames. asp [www.phm.lu]

the words of several hundred CTOs: (5, Funny)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815303)

why did I sign up for that stupid upgrade plan? WHY???

Re:the words of several hundred CTOs: (5, Interesting)

m.h.2 (617891) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815441)

I'm wondering how many execs are actually paying attention to the fact that these plans are essentially useless. I have spoken with at least a dozen, who blindly renewed their contracts without ever checking to see if there was a return on their investment. Funny (not in a ha-ha way) how as an IT Manager, one gets the 3rd degree when asking for the funds to upgrade a data backup system because the CTO fails to see the business case, yet they blow their budgets on "software assurance" programs that provide no value whatsoever.

Why didn't I become a plumber?

Blackcomb (3, Funny)

sinclair44 (728189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815308)

"Blackcomb is the version to follow Longhorn, and is expected at the end of the decade."
I guess we can expect it in 2013 at the earliest.

Re:Blackcomb (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815363)

In all fairness, he didn't say which decade.

Re:Blackcomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815390)

> I guess we can expect it in 2013 at the earliest.

Does anyone else expect Microsoft and its effluent to be even remotely relevant in another decade?

Remotely relevant in another decade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815459)

No.

Patch installation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815316)

I wonder if the patches will install without rebooting...

Re:Patch installation (1)

Dr Reducto (665121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815460)

Actually, i am running XP SP2, and 90% of the patches I have downloaded don't require a restart. I was pleasantly surprised. I only had to restart when Microsoft convinced me to download an older version of my 9800Pro drivers. That was real fun to sort out and reinstall the up to date drivers.

Not here (4, Funny)

MooCows (718367) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815317)

"Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs, which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player."

Not in Europe, we're going to get the "Windows XP Premium Lite" edition, hah!

Re:Not here (1)

LousyPhreak (550591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815551)

not sure on this one but wont we get the Windows XP Premium Enhanced" edition, with realplayer and quicktime or the likes pre-installed?

Cool... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815322)

but does it run Linux ?

On the flipside... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815325)

Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs

Buy an operating system, and a PC comes with it? Hasn't it traditionally been the other way around?

Re:On the flipside... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815519)

does it surprise you? windows cost more than the last computer i built. i am glad to say it doesn't have windows on it.

Re:On the flipside... (1)

ocip (200888) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815550)

This must just be the beginning of the movement towards free hardware [slashdot.org] .

Looking on the bright side (2, Funny)

carou (88501) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815329)

At least they can say Longhorn was released on schedule!

Well, not delayed too much, anyway.

Outflank Apple? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815332)

In what way? They mention online stores, and Apple is a microscopic blip on the radar. Are they trying to outflank them and charge $129 TWICE a year for updates instead of once? Or are they shooting for sub 3% market share?

In case you hadn't noticed, there ain't no flank. The war is over, and Apple's not even struggling to move their market share, and it's not moving. G5 sales are disaapointing, but the iPod is red hot. Oh yeah, MS's portable mini-tablet/video/music player is an "iPod clone/killer attempt."

Apple is not the yardstick by which companies like Microsoft measure themselves. Not even close.

OK, joking aside..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815508)

...how are they trying to outflank Apple?

Office politics (4, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815333)

The new thinking now says that the new Office will run on all versions of Windows, whereas it was previously going to be available only on the new XP system... This is a massive statement. It means that the 'new licencing' is so unpopular that it's forcing MS to drop its upgrade/lock-in strategy for Office. Amazing.

I think the growing popularity of Linux in the server market, and over the next 2 years or so in the desktop market too, is a big part of that decision...

Simon.

Re:Office politics (1)

Marxist Commentary (461279) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815385)

No, it only means that by discontinuation of support for the older versions of OS's they don't need such a requirement for enterprise. The lack of support will force corporations to upgrade to a new OS, and hence, the new licencing. Profits for all!*

*Except the customer, who keeps getting fleeced.

Re:Office politics (1)

Monsieur Canard (766354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815489)

You mean like at my place (6K+ seats) where we just upgraded to Win2K as an OS but are still chugging away merrily on Office 97? There are some rumors about moving to a new(er) version, but only because M$ has announced they will (or maybe have by now) stop supporting security issues on 97.

Re:Office politics (4, Interesting)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815451)

All "SUPPORTED" versions you mean....

if Win98 is already considered obsolete, and win ME will be gone in another year at best. Meaning that "all" MS oses is really only Win2K & XP right now!

Re:Office politics (1)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815554)

The interesting thing is that OpenOffice runs better on Windows (on all versions begginning with Win95) than MS Office.

Smart Move (3, Insightful)

rixstep (611236) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815335)

Actually, this might be a smart move by MS - not that they would realise why, but nonetheless.

There are so many 'features' of their Longwait that literally scare the you know what out of people. Features that have been around spooking before.

Now MS are hard put and have to remove (or delay) these features - and ironically, and sadly, this might actually help their acceptance.

The EU Will have a field day.. (5, Insightful)

Noizemonger (665926) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815340)

[...]which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player. This version will have the ability to shop at on-line stores like the one MS plans to launch later this year. The EU-Administration will not be very happy with this. Actually this just shows that MS doesnt give shit about the antitrust-suits. It seems like the fine from the EU wasnt nearly severe enough.

Re:The EU Will have a field day.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815476)

Fuck the EU

Re:The EU Will have a field day.. (0)

four2five (645777) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815499)

Unreal....I agree with your observation. It looks like something bigger than the boat load of fines will have to happen to M$ before they change their ways. Silly silly bill.....he must have left Ballmer alone at the wheel again.

Outflank == Copy (3, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815342)

"It's their move to 'outflank Apple'."

Guess they gotta keep innovating the old fashioned Microsoft way.

re:sig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815362)

Everyone on K5 is either a troll or an idiot!

Re:Outflank == Copy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815478)

Linux also innovates the old fashioned Microsoft way too; by copying Microsoft.

Linux-->Microsoft-->Apple.

Re:Outflank == Copy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815540)

Yup, the state of open source would advance considerably if people would cut out the middle man and copy Apple directly.

Re:Outflank == Copy (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815537)

"It's their move to 'outflank Apple'."

I'm no Microsoft fan, but if they can take something and improve upon it, more power to 'em. Haven't really seen it happen with them yet, but if they can do it, just because it's them doesn't make it a bad thing.

New Windows versions being programmed in India (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815354)

All post Longhorn versions of Windows will be produced entirely in India. This will produce a far superior product than Linux could ever hope to achieve.

Re:New Windows versions being programmed in India (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815520)

Unfortunately, entirely in Hindi.

Slashdot: Microsoft News for Nerds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815367)

nice to see slashdot doing play-by-play for Microosoft products, while giving short-thrift and second status to Linux offerings.

I guess this site is now a Microsoft site, consideirng the MS ads too.

Clips Longhorn (3, Funny)

thorgil (455385) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815375)

M$ clips Longhorn.
-So then it's Shorthorn! /T

Re:Clips Longhorn (1)

Monsieur Canard (766354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815524)

How long do you think have headline writers been waiting for the opportunity to use the "Longhorn get clipped" joke?

infamous (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815376)

[...]Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs, which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player.

It's more than famous, it's infamous. (With apologies to The Three Amigos! [imdb.com] ).

less features, more security and stability = GOOD (4, Insightful)

dogas (312359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815379)

I think it's good that they're scoping out features. This will allow the developers to concentrate on making the existing codebase actually work, rather than squandering resources to cram in a feature that works like ass and is rife with security holes.

Re:less features, more security and stability = GO (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815452)

But they won't. They will release the same old crap like they always do. The first service pack will take about 6 months, and it won't fix half the security holes, just like normal.

How does M$ con everyone into paying them to be beta testers?

What remains? (3, Insightful)

RoLi (141856) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815403)

From what I've heard from Longhorn, "WinFS" was the only thing that sounded interesting for me. The rest (like a sidebar or applets - or graphics effects like transparency through "Avalon") seems more like catching up to the various Linux DEs and MacOSX. The only other thing is DRM, which might be a major modification, but which I don't really want anyway.

So, can anybody point out which features would be really worth an upgrade, because I can't see any. I don't care about Eyecandy, also there should be something else than eyecandy...

Re:What remains? (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815558)

Anyone know what the cool features of winFS were supposed to be?
I remember hearing something about it being similar the the beOS filesystem or something?

More Obvious Product Tying (5, Insightful)

JavaSavant (579820) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815404)

Software capable of shopping at online stores, eh? Is this kind of like your phone company giving you a speed dial to the retailers they have some vested interest in? It's product tying, and it's illegal. It's just a pity that the current administration in the U.S. really doesn't care what M$ does anymore. Here's to some anti-trust mongers taking over next February.

What would happen if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815405)

M$ instead of making another OS, spent time securing, patching, 64bit upgrading, device driver KISS, to XP. And released it as one huge giant patch.

Would this mean that M$ would out due Linux et al desktop drive?

IE7? (1)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815407)


I wonder if that still means IE7 will only run on Longhorn?

Didn't they say they were even going to move parts of IE into the kernel?

MS Office - Now with Riboflavin (2, Insightful)

Monsieur Canard (766354) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815409)

The changes also affect Microsoft's plan to make the next version of its Office software work only on Longhorn. The new plans call for that Office package to work on previous versions of Windows as well.

The realist in me says that this was because the new Office made extensive use of WinFS and that making it backwards compatible would just contrubite to (more) code bloat. The cynic in me says that they wanted to use some spiffy new feature in Office MMX as a lever to force users to upgrade their OS. Still, it does a heart good to think about the heads rolling at M$ over the leaking of these e-mails.

Can an MS expert answer some questions please? (2, Interesting)

IceAgeComing (636874) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815411)

1. Does Windows XP currently allow every application full write access to the Registry, or at least access to registry components for other applications?

2. If so, does this strike anyone else as a really bad idea from the view of modularity, scalability, and security?

2. Will Longhorn keep the Windows Registry?

Re:Can an MS expert answer some questions please? (1)

EvilSporkMan (648878) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815449)

Of course Longhorn will keep the registry in some form - it has to to maintain backward compatibility.

I think it's less "out-flank Apple" (2, Interesting)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815418)

I think it's less "out-flank Apple" and more "out and out copy Apple". But by the time we start seeing the Microsoft Music Store, OS X 10.4 will probably be shipping, and we should also see higher clocked G5's, and maybe even G5's in the iMac line. There are some very compelling reasons to consider switching, not least of which is that when you use a Mac, you get to enjoy Microsoft's upcoming "innovations" months before Microsoft's customers do.

Yeah, I know, it's blatant Apple partisanship, but who really wants to be stuck waiting until 2006 for Longhorn to catch up to Panther, when it's likely that Apple will have released Tiger, plus Lion, Ocelot, and Tabbycat by the time the damn thing actually ships?

With any luck... (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815427)

Since Microsoft operates in so many countries, with any luck if they do integrate a media service it'll be offered outside the USA.

That fact right there may be enough for even a lower quality service to flourish as compared to iTunes.

Anti-Competitive Behavior (5, Interesting)

amplt1337 (707922) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815435)

Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs, which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player. This version will have the ability to shop at on-line stores like the one MS plans to launch later this year. It's their move to 'outflank Apple'.
As if we needed more proof that the antitrust suits have had no effect whatsoever on MS's business practices.
Have the previous cases not established precedent that pre-installing non-essential features into the operating system constitutes anti-competitive behavior?

Rather than putting our hope in the courts, I think it's best if everybody contributes as much as possible to the development of desktop linux. We have a two-year window. If linux can achieve mainstream acceptance by the time this goes gold, then we'll be able to avoid widespread adoption of Longhorn, Blackcomb, and everything after.

so anybody got a good project that needs testers? Or documentation-authors?

2006 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815439)

Looks like I'm going to be stuck with linux version "9's". Due to the fact that my machine is only a amd 800mhz, spec'd system. I have no reason to upgrade, as I can do everything that I need to get done.
I have a feeling that the major system resource requirement for Longhorn maybe for the more trival parts of the OS such as fancy eye-candy.

XP SP2 (2, Redundant)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815448)

Although the delays are not great, most people don't realize just how big an upgrade XP SP2 is. There are major overhauls to the system, security wise. With the amount of work that's gone into it, it should be considered another O.S. release from Microsoft.

WinFS quite ambitious (5, Insightful)

eltoyoboyo (750015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815457)

Paul Thurrott's supersite for Windows has this information about what Longhorn is all about [winsupersite.com] from May 2003. I highly recommend that readers check out what MSDN [microsoft.com] has to say about it.

It is a document and content management system with synchronization capabilities built right into the desktop. And it is going to hit yet another software segment right in the pocketbook: document management and storage.

With the advances in disk drive capacity and network speed, imagine being able to sync your company's entire set of PDF files/engineering drawings/(pr0n? ;-) ) to a laptop for use on site.

WTF?!?! (5, Interesting)

GOD_ALMIGHTY (17678) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815463)

This version will have the ability to shop at on-line stores like the one MS plans to launch later this year. It's their move to 'outflank Apple'.

This is seriously screwed up. If this isn't a blatant anti-trust violation, I don't know what is. Didn't the EU just assess a 1/2 billion dollar fine over this very behavior?

I can't understand how this doesn't enrage anyone who believes in capitalism. What's to stop Microsoft from integrating an Amazon.com, paypal and Ebay feature into their software and MSN stuff as well? How many markets will they be able to dominate through their desktop OS monopoly?

Can any investor look at the tech world and invest in something that isn't in danger of being killed off by a Microsoft action? It seems that entering into any online service or consumer software is a matter of picking up dimes before steamrollers.

Without proper anti-trust enforcement, innovation and investment opportunities will dwindle. Maybe some of our politicians should get their heads out of the sand. The market doesn't solve all problems, that's why we have anti-trust laws in place.

Seriously though, isn't anyone else just amazed by Microsoft's gall?

No WinFS? Is WinFS = "full-featured file system"? (1)

Spoing (152917) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815480)

The article does not mention WinFS or what the "full-featured file system" is. Anyone have a clue if...
  1. ...these are one and the same?
  2. ...WinFS will be introduced but substantially scaled back?

Either way, it might be 5 years before Microsoft introduces what OSS systems should have in wide use in about a year with ReiserFS and maybe others (guesstimate; corrections appreciated).

Re:No WinFS? Is WinFS = "full-featured file system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815503)

2006 - 2004 = 2 idiot.

Summary (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815498)

All the genuine improvements in the next Windows version have been cancelled / put back to Blackcomb. DRM and other useless shit that no consumer wants is being rushed in.

current media player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8815500)


you can shop and buy music in windowsmedia 9 right now, now you know why EU cracked down

Blackcomb? (3, Funny)

copponex (13876) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815504)

Ballmer: "Yes, YES! The same black comb which helps cover my baldspot! We'll simply comb over our security issues with obscurity!"

Gates: "Brilliant!"

New Guy: "But sirs, we can see Mr. Ballmer's baldspot. It blinded half the staff at the softball game."

Ballmer: "The folks from New Dehli love my full head of hair."

New Guy: "Brilliant!"

So what's new about it? (1, Interesting)

l33t-gu3lph1t3 (567059) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815526)

So...no grandiose new filesystem, no newer purty interface...

other than incremental improvements to their media player software, what's improved about this new OS?

Nail in the Coffin? (2, Interesting)

seanmcelroy (207852) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815532)

I for one welcome the news that WinFS will be more than two years away. In the meantime, Linux/*BSD/etc. will have a chance to better refine those NTFS drivers, which combined with such long delays and feature-cuts in Longhorn, may be at least one nail in MS domination's coffin.

Or here's to hoping.

iTune killer? (0, Troll)

mm0mm (687212) | more than 10 years ago | (#8815541)

"...Windows XP Premium ... , which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player." "It's their move to 'outflank Apple'."
just like how MS raped Netscape?

thanks doj for being vigilant.
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