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More SUSE Linux 9.1 Reviews

CowboyNeal posted about 10 years ago | from the first-and-second-looks dept.

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JoshuaTreeCA writes "Adam Doxtater of Mad Penguin has published another excellent review... this time on the newest SUSE Linux 9.1 beta-release. This release comes complete with the latest GNOME and KDE enviroments as well as being the first distro to present a retail package built on kernel 2.6.4 Check out the review, with screenshots." rokzy also wrote in with another review from NeoLink Computers.

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GNAA Reports Third Quater Profit of $200 million (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824494)

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Reports Third Quater Profit of $200 Million,
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Just in: Linux useless without Sexy Mascot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824496)

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FIRST NAKED HERMIONE POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824500)

Who'll climb on first? Ron or Harry? Or CHO CHANG?!

I Talk to the Wind (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824501)

Said the straight man to the late man
Where have you been
I've been here and I've been there
And I've been in between.

I talk to the wind
My words are all carried away
I talk to the wind
The wind does not hear
The wind cannot hear.

I'm on the outside looking inside
What do I see
Much confusion, disillusion
All around me.

You don't possess me
Don't impress me
Just upset my mind
Can't instruct me or conduct me
Just use up my time

I talk to the wind
My words are all carried away
I talk to the wind
The wind does not hear
The wind cannot hear.

LOL! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824502)

SuSe is german for "gay".

LOL!

Re:LOL! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824643)

"schwul" is how you say gay in german.

Help needed (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824503)

I have just installed NetBSD over Windows XP and now my computer is running some sort of dos clone.

Advice on my anal sores is also wanted!

Review of the review of the review... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824506)

JoshuaTreeCA writes "Adam Doxtater of Mad Penguin has published another excellent review

JoshuaTreeCA's review of Adam Doxtrater's was okay roo.

Re:Review of the review of the review... (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#8824753)

I've been writing reviews of various distros in my journal. I hope to have my Mandrake review up in a day or two. So far, both Fedora and Mandrake have been disappointing. I do have high hopes for SUSE, however. The Java Desktop System demo CD I have is based on SUSE. None of the problems I regularly have with other distros have shown up with that CD. Here's hoping. :-)

Errr, yay... it's pretty (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824507)

Next article, please?

wow... (3, Funny)

bach_m (692327) | about 10 years ago | (#8824515)

wow. 8 comments and its already slashdotted.... remind me not to use SuSe 9.1 as my server

Ok (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824581)

Reminder: Don't use SuSE 9.1 as your server.

Re:wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824586)

BTW
Why does slashdot never get slashdot'd?

Re:wow... (3, Funny)

bfg9000 (726447) | about 10 years ago | (#8824843)

Don't be too hard on them, it looks like we've nearly Slashdotted the Google Cache as well. Now THAT'S scary. Give Slashdot a hundred thousand more users and the Dept of Homeland Security will have to shut us down for reasons of .. uh .. homeland ... security.

The Violation of Rob Malda (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824517)

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda stepped off the bus and was led into the yard of the Main State Correctional Institute. He had been given ten years for participating in a stock fraud. Five with good behavior. Years spent basking in the glow of a CRT had been hard on him. His body was frail, his skin pallid. He knew he could never make it through ten years in the general population with his virginity intact. He had to get into solitary.

As soon as the burly guard unshackled him he made his move. Exhaling a feminine "hmmph" he weakly slapped the guard. He was quickly taken to the ground, receiving a swift kick to the ribs before being restrained. As he was dragged to the solitary confinement cell he felt nothing but relief. "At least in solitary," he thought "I'll be safe." Unfortunately for Rob he had picked the wrong guard to mess with.

The next few days were uneventful. The time in his cell he spent evenly between sleeping, reading a "Perl for Dummies" book he had gotten from the book cart, and masturbating furiously. His self-flagellation was interrupted on the fourth day. The burly guard he had attacked earlier stepped into his cell. The gleam in the guards eye and the mean grin on his face made Rob's pecker quickly shrivel in his hand. "You fucked with the wrong man when you fucked with Michael Simms," said the guard. "The inmates here call me The Asshole for a reason. Now come with me, punk."

The guard led him down the hall to one of several empty shower stalls. He roughly threw Rob in the stall and locked the door. Rob was petrified. His mind raced as he imagined the myriad of different tortures that could be in store for him. His worst fears were confirmed when the guard returned. In his hands were a short black dress, black stilleto heels, and a curly blonde wig. "Strip down and put this on, bitch." Rob did as instructed and was pleased to notice that the dress fit well and the heels gave him a nice slimming effect. The burly guard admired the drag queen. "The GNAA is gonna love you!"

The guard left the shower stall, only to return minutes later. He opened the door and led 20 large black men into the stall. "Rob, meet the Gay Nigger Association of America. GNAA, meet Rob. I'm sure you all will get along fine." With that the guard slammed the shower door closed and walked away laughing.

The men approached Rob, backing him into a corner. The apparent leader stepped forward. "No matter what I'm gonna fuck that purdy lil' ass of yours. Now I can fuck it dry or you can lube it up for me." Rob knew he had no choice. He kneeled in front of the leader, who began to slap his face with his 10 black inches. Puss from syphilictic sores quickly covered Rob's cheeks. When the leader was sufficiently aroused he placed his throbbing cock up to Rob's lips. As soon as Rob opened his mouth the leader violently shoved his manhood to the back of Rob's throat and exclaimed "Swallow my shit you cracker bitch!" Rob gagged as he was violently face fucked.

Just when he was about to pass out the leader pulled out, turned him around and shoved his cock into Rob's ass. Rob began to scream in agony but his cries were quickly muffled by one of the other gang member's cocks. They rode him like that for the better part of an hour. When one man finished another quickly took his place. Just as Rob was getting used to the throbbing pain in his anus the men stopped. One man lay down on the floor and Rob was told to get on top of him and take his dick inside him. Exhausted and humiliated, Rob had no will left to fight. As soon as he inserted the penis another man came up behind him and began to force his cock into Rob's already filled anus. Again his screams of agony were muffled, this time by a smelly black anus.

For another hour he was violated in this way. When the men were finished with him he couldn't walk and his mouth was filled with dingleberries and ass hairs. Before they all left the leader had some parting words for Rob: "Thanks for that sweet piece of ass, punk. We'll see you again tomorrow. Oh by the way, we all have AIDS." It was going to be a long ten years for Rob.

MOD DOWN Re:The Violation of Rob Malda (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824654)

I'm pretty sure that this is a troll.

Re:MOD DOWN Re:The Violation of Rob Malda (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824672)

Please excuse me from slashdot posting. I have to take a dump, get washed up, and then go shopping. Adios, l4m3rz

Linux is free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824531)

as in slavery, because Linux users (scum) are all slaves to their computers, unlike Windows users whos computers are their slaves.

SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (5, Informative)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824536)

I just installed SuSE 9 and I must say I was very impressed... right up until the point that the mouse (which worked fine during install) didn't work on the second boot, then wouldn't work when KDE started. Had to start YaST to reconfigure it but had to reboot before it would work. THEN the mouse just stopped working after I clicked the apply button after choosing the icq2 icon scheme in gnomeicu.

I'm guessing USB mouse support still hasn't made it's way into Linux in a robust form yet?

This is pretty bad - so bad, in fact, that I'm now back in Windows XP because it, at least, knows how to understand what is now an old thing like USB mice!

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824544)

Are you forgetting that this is a beta release?

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824642)

9.0 doesn't exactly bear the hallmarks of a beta numbering scheme - at least, not to me!

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824550)

I just installed SuSE 9 and I must say I was very impressed... right up until the point that the mouse (which worked fine during install) didn't work on the second boot, then wouldn't work when KDE started.

This is a known bug in KDE. Try calling it a Kmouse instead of a mouse; that should fix your problem.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824624)

Holy shit. Moderators on crack!

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824636)

Okay, I'll admit I was going more for -1 flamebait than +5 informative but I don't think it's for either of us to question the wise and just moderators.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824640)

Well Rob, I think we finally have stone-cold evidence that the moderation system does not work.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1, Funny)

dracvl (541254) | about 10 years ago | (#8824644)

Hilarious. Anything not starting with a K in KDE doesn't work?

Excuse me, I'm off to install my Klinux. </tongue-in-cheek>

(and yes, I use KDE myself)

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824669)

Forgive me, but it's been a while since I went renaming mice to suit my fancy. Just how do I rename it to "Kmouse"?

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824856)

It was a joke, you cunt

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

FyRE666 (263011) | about 10 years ago | (#8824702)

It's not often I read an AC comment, but... Nice troll ;-) You wouldn't have gotten away with it on Apr 1st though...

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (4, Insightful)

Plutor (2994) | about 10 years ago | (#8824557)

> I'm guessing USB mouse support still hasn't made it's way into Linux in a robust form yet?

I've been using my USB mouse totally flawlessly on my laptop for the better part of the year. I've grown out of distributions like SuSE and Redhat exactly because of your reaction. Selecting "USB mouse" doesn't work, must be Linux's crappy support!

I recognize that's what most people are looking for, I'm just saying, I hate the feeling of not knowing how something works on my computer, and worse yet is not knowing how something is broken on my computer.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824678)

Steps to get a USB mouse working under Windows XP:

1. Plug it in
2. Wait about 10 seconds
3. Use it.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (2, Insightful)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824715)

What? No editing config files, checking symlinks, or compiling HID support into one's kernel? This Windows XP thing might just catch on ;-)

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | about 10 years ago | (#8824869)

I always love it when somebody compares features in Windows XP to the way Linux behaved a decade ago. Get a clue, USB support in Linux has "just worked" for years. SuSE notwithstanding.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824995)

I never get this argument, how is Red Hat or SuSe any harder to "know how something works" just cause there is not a tarball doesn't mean there is not source code. Just cause there is a firewall config doesn't mean there is no /sbin/iptables.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (-1, Offtopic)

Stevyn (691306) | about 10 years ago | (#8824561)

In about two minutes this guy's going to be a -1 troll

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (5, Informative)

cdc179 (561916) | about 10 years ago | (#8824563)

USB mouse support has worked great in GNU/Linux for a while now. This is just something on SuSe's side.

Make sure that your kernel has HID support.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824652)

I'll be sure to check that next time I boot SuSE up, however, I did see it successfully start a hotplugging something or other on boot up; one of the things on that line was USB.

To install SuSE 9.0 I trashed Fedora, which didn't have any problems with this particular mouse. The last time I recompiled a kernel it was a fiasco, so I don't think I'm going to try that approach again. I'm sure HID must be there if the USB mouse does work, but decides to lock up after a while.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (2, Informative)

garglblaster (459708) | about 10 years ago | (#8824573)

Guess you're talking about SuSE 9.0 ..

no problem with usb mice here whatsover My USB mouse works like a charm on 9.0

However My SuSE 9.0 is an upgrade from 8.2 - so there might be differences on a fresh install of 9.0 - my personal exprience is thar 8.2 was _A_LOT_ more stable and better tested than 9.0

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824577)

I have been using USB mice for years, in multiple distributions. Never had a problem. Heck even NetBSD supports USB mice. Your mouse must be faulty.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824621)

Um, how can my mouse be faulty when it works beautifully under XP and has done so since I plugged it into the USB port on that great day almost a year ago? Yeah, sure, my mouse must definitely be faulty...

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824578)

I had the same problem with a Serial mouse. YaST updated my system and changed the mouse port in the X86config file. I'm glad it keeps a backup of it and I had others when installing the NVidia driver, so I manually edited the file, rebooted, and everybody was happy.

Check that file to make sure it's pointing to your correct mouse port.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

GlowStars (57169) | about 10 years ago | (#8824593)

I'm using my Logitech Optical USB mouse for years on various SuSE versions (8.x-9.0) without ANY problems. Go figure.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (2, Interesting)

Phishcast (673016) | about 10 years ago | (#8824607)

I can second this. For the people saying "This is a beta", he's talking about SuSE 9, not 9.1. I had exactly the same problem. I ended up hand-editing XF86Config...which then broke again when YaST ran. I love SuSE, and use it every day, but this is definately a bug. If it's a bug with KDE, SuSE could recognize that and work around it.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (4, Informative)

pantherace (165052) | about 10 years ago | (#8824611)

USB mouse support in linux has been as robust or more robust than Windows for quite a while. What usually is the problem is the distribution's config tools.

So have you bothered to file a bug report about it with SuSE? Or just decide to cluelessly bash Linux on /.?

Check /etc/X11/XF86Config for which device the mouse is using, and you have two options:
/dev/input/mice - ALL mice (USB, PS/2, busmouse) connected to the system. This is what most people will want. (With some kernels there is a delay before Xfree starts to get the input.)
/dev/input/mouseX (where X is a number starting at 0) - a specific mouse. Which may be what SuSE set up, and if so and it disconnected for any reason, the number would go up. (This is useful say when a trackpoint goes out on a laptop, to specify only the trackpad/external mouse, also the AllowMouseOpenFail option is a good option when using this)

With Windows, USB mouse support seems flaky. I haven't extensively used XP (seems not to support Compaq Presario 1700s well at all: blue screen city.), but 2000 certainly doesn't detect all mice when you plug them in. But then I suppose Windows USB mouse support is a WORKSFORYOU resolution if it were in bugzilla. :)

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (2, Insightful)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824701)

Oh, I'm so sorry, it's all my fault. I should have known better than to give Linux a chance again. Apparently I'm supposed to know all that crap you ramble on about just to move my mouse?

And you say Windows' USB mouse support is flaky? Are you on drugs, perhaps? Just because XP doesn't support a Compaq Presario 1700 series mouse, you say it's flaky? My mouse is a Logitech Optical USB - which is a little more popular than the pucilanimous compaq mouse you've dug up to support your flaky argument.

I am a Windows user "because stuff just works", but I have fond memories of Debian in the 2.0 and 2.2 kernel days, and install the latest Linux every now and then to see if it's worth switching to yet. Every time, though, I'm usually disappointed with basic things like mice not working, which drives me back to Windows.

Bruce Perens and company are going to have to retract their wishes about Linux being destined for the world's desktops if everyone has to go frigging with those settings you mentioned.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824965)

This is confusing. In one post you mention that Fedora supported your USB mouse flawlessly, and then in another, you state that Linux's hardware support isn't mature and you go back to Windows!?

Any non-leprotard would be able to see that it's a SUSE issue. You've said so yourself. So why are you knocking Linux? It works with Fedora (and no doubt it would with Mandrake, JDS, Lindows, Xandros etc.), but because SUSE has a bug you go back to Windows.

It makes no sense. Perhaps you're just trolling. Whatever. If you make your OS choice based on distro-specific mouse support, rather than issues that matter, then you deserve what you get.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824663)

Over the weekend I tried to update to the latest
2.4 kernel using the auto update for Suse 9.0.
This stopped it coming up with the graphical
login prompt, and killed support for my USB wireless connection. Not fun.

So I tried compiling the 2.6.5 kernel. This worked
apart from the fact that my mouse no longer worked. My mouse is a USB mouse, but it has
never been a problem under 2.4.X kernels with
Suse 9.0

I love Linux, but this stuff needs more attention
before Linux is ready for the mainstream in the home.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 10 years ago | (#8824737)

I love Linux, too, and dream about the day when I don't have to fiddle with mindless minutiae like this. As much as I hate The Beast of Redmond, Windows XP's user experience is plain, simple, and straight forward. For starters, clicking Start, Settings, Control Panel, Mouse is a little more accessible than clicking KDE Button, System, YaST, Hardware, Mouse (from memory). "YaST" might make SuSE developers feel all gooey inside, but it's not what Joe User is going to go looking for.

Re:SuSE 9 seems to dislike USB mice (4, Informative)

mm0mm (687212) | about 10 years ago | (#8824687)

I've been using SuSE for a while (currently 8.2), and I've had similar problem with the last couple of edition of SuSE when I was installing it on laptops. By default YaST doesn't configure 2 mice (touch pad + usb) set up, and only SaX does. But the problem is when I configure mice using SaX, YaST will overwrite the mice config file after reboot. If you ever need to reconfigure mice setup, NEVER use sax.

I believe it did support dual mice during installation, but after the installation was finished, USB mouse was not working properly for some reasons.

anyway, I usually end up making changes in the config file(XF86Config) by text editor/vi so the mice will work properly. You just need to add one more input device in it. I love suse, but I have to admit configuring mice on SuSE can be a pain.

Possibly another reason... (3, Informative)

IANAAC (692242) | about 10 years ago | (#8824825)

A lot of different answers here. What you might want to take a look into is how your BIOS is set up. Mine has an option to disable/enable legacy USB support. Another thing to check is during your install, SUSE gives you a couple of different options regarding ACPI which are confusing. You probably don't want to completely disable ACPI, but there should be an option to disable ACPI/USB interaction during the boot process.

Also, once you've rebooted and are in your Window manager (either Gnome or KDE), do't use YaST2 to set up your mouse - use SaX2. From there you can choose all your input devices.

If you purchased your copy of SUSE you should have also received two really good manuals, one for administration, the other for users. All of this information is covered in them.

about those icons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824537)

personally, I feel the SVG "GET SOME PRIORITIES" icon was overrated.

Debian to suse (4, Interesting)

qwertyatwork (668720) | about 10 years ago | (#8824558)

A few days ago I installed suse on a blank hard drive to find an alternative to debian for my desktop. I was impressed by the hardware detection, but yast was slow! It took forever to pull up. I tried mandrake to, I wasnt impressed at all. Is yast slow for everybody, or just me?

Re:Debian to suse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824609)

Are you talking about text yast or the gui yast?

The gui yast has always been slow, it seems to load the modules up to the disk cache. Which still does not make any speed difference.

Re:Debian to suse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824625)

Try Arch Linux, clean & fast distro, the best I have tried.

Re:Debian to suse (1)

qwertyatwork (668720) | about 10 years ago | (#8824770)

If Im moving my desktop from Debian to suse, why would I look at arch? I looked it over, it seems even less automated than debian does. I want automation on my desktop. I have debian running on my servers, thats enough work without throwing in the desktop machine to.

Re:Debian to suse (3, Interesting)

Cyph (240321) | about 10 years ago | (#8824696)

It felt pretty sluggish to me too, but I don't consider that to be a major problem because it's not like I spend most of my time adjusting system settings. Neither will you, I assume.

Anyway, I also switched from Debian to SuSE within a few months after the Novell buyout. Always been a big fan of Novell, and I really wouldn't have even considered SuSE if it wasn't for the buyout. SuSE does a kick-ass job at being a desktop replacement.

Re:Debian to suse (1)

AdamInParadise (257888) | about 10 years ago | (#8824838)

I second Yast... that! Yast is kind of slow (even on beasties like bi-Opterons). Hopefully you don't have to use it too much. The only option that I actually use quite often is the 'Install New Package' option. Since I've installed the distro by FTP, I don't have to search for the DVD so I usually end up waiting for Yast to boot up and look through the package database.

Re:Debian to suse (1)

Cyph (240321) | about 10 years ago | (#8824975)

Being a Debian convert, I installed apt-get on SuSE to do that. There's a lot more apt sources available for suse than there are YOU media sources, so a wider variety of packages is out there. That in combination with the apt-get GUI synaptic serves as a very robust replacement for "Install New Package". Try it out sometime if you have time.

For those who don't RTFAs (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824572)

Here is the basic jist of things:

GUI looks good.
Some things work, some don't.
Pretty desktops.
Looks faster then the previous version.
Screenshoots of the desktop provided.
I did not like this bit or that.
But at the end of the day it worked for me.
If you're shit with computers, stick with..oh never mind.
More pretty desktops.
Wait for the next version.
Some bugs, but overall germ free.
I give it a rating of **** out of *

Now who do I talk to about my pay cheque for doing this.

what I really want is... (2, Insightful)

rokzy (687636) | about 10 years ago | (#8824582)

driver integration for ATI like with nVidia. ATI has had linux drivers for a while now and I think not providing proper card support is one of the major show-stoppers for people trying linux.

since the drivers are proprietary there are "issues", but with nvidia SUSE YOU provides a automatic download link. I want one for ATI!

Re:what I really want is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824627)

SUSE 9.x ships with ATI drivers you moron...

read this you ignorant twat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824694)

>On my laptop I couldn't get any Radeon 9600 drivers at all let alone get any kind of 3D acceleration enabled.

KDE? GNOME? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824583)

This article's been up for over quarter of an hour now and... where's the KDE v Gnome flamewar? Did everyone suddenly grow up or something? You guys are no fun any more :(

Re:KDE? GNOME? (1)

Matrix9180 (734303) | about 10 years ago | (#8824634)

No, everyone did not grow up... that's for sure... just try reading this or any other article at -1...

The horror that is Moderator Points...

Re:KDE? GNOME? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824651)

I use blackbox. I also get laid at least twice a day. GNOME or KDE == mandatory furious masturbation.

GNAA to Fund Mozilla Firefox Development (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:GNAA to Fund Mozilla Firefox Development (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824979)

Hrm. Why would the GNAA, an organisation for Americans, be based in London?

Oh, perhaps because the UK is a proper country with history and culture. Instead of fat, ignorant morons wondering around shooting each other and pretending they have "democracy".

Very well and good, but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824629)

The question is, can it run Linux?

Re:Very well and good, but... (2, Interesting)

wneto (624292) | about 10 years ago | (#8824725)

If you mean running linux inside of linux, yes. At least SUSE 9.0 comes with all the necessary UML patches so you can play with the box inside of the box. Read this [suse.com]

Where can I find a 9.1 download? (1)

gvc (167165) | about 10 years ago | (#8824648)

A cursory search of the SUSE site and mirrors reveals only 9.0. Surely the 9.1 beta must be available for download someplace. Can somebody provide a URL?

thanks

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (4, Informative)

gmuslera (3436) | about 10 years ago | (#8824689)

The problem is not where, but when. The FTP version usually goes "public" after a month or so of the official release, and I suppose that the betas are only released to selected testers.

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (3, Informative)

gvc (167165) | about 10 years ago | (#8824707)

I believe it must be released to testers under the GPL. So I would expect a copy to be available somewhere.

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (2, Insightful)

Wudbaer (48473) | about 10 years ago | (#8824746)

Which means that they have to release the sources to the testers, nobody else. What they likely do, if they send them a CD/DVD.

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (1)

gvc (167165) | about 10 years ago | (#8824861)

Sure. Then the testers then have the right to post them on the Web and/or p2p networks. Assuming the distro is GPL.

If the entire distro isn't GPL, then the GPL-derived subset of it still must be. (e.g. they've announced that YAST will be GPL-ed, but I'm not sure that it is yet.) And if the GPL-derived subset is not readily identifiable, surely that makes the whole thing a derivative work.

It would not behoove SUSE to pull a SCO and say "parts of this are secret but I won't clearly identify which."

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (5, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | about 10 years ago | (#8824716)

The 9.1 beta is a special release that was opened up to members of the press. It is on a restricted access server. SuSE typically does not make its betas available for download like Red Hat use to with Rawhide. Additionally, SuSE typically releases new versions in boxed sets first and then makes it available by ftp about a month later.

You will probably not be able to get a hold of 9.1 until the first week in May, when you can buy the boxed set. Early June will probably be your first chance to download SuSE 9.1

Re:Where can I find a 9.1 download? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824834)

Nah it usually appears after release in all the p2p nets and on usenet (and if you read the SuSE license agreement you'll see that this is not even illegal provided you don't demand money for it)

btw scheduled release at my software supplier is 22th of april.

Kernel responsiveness to user input (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824656)

One thing I REALLy want from a computer is for it to be extremely responsive in whatever it is I'm doing. In other words, the "top" applcation that I'm working in (or switching to) should always get top priority; I don't want to wait for the machine.

The other day, a friend directly connected his G3 iBook to my 1.4Ghz P-M laptop over 100mbit ethernet. As he copied large files from me, my computer bogged down and was unusable. Just switching windows to something already open was painful to watch. His iBook, though, just hummed along - he could switch to other apps and use them just fine. Very frustrating.

So....would the Linux kernel 2.6.x be extremely responsivle to user input, no matter what else is going on?

Classic *BSD troll? (0)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 10 years ago | (#8824757)

Either this is a subtle variant of the classic "performance" *BSD troll, or your laptop has crap hardware (think: cheesy no-DMA nic and/or slow HD). I've never seen a box go unresponsive due to a combination of HD and net access, running Win3.11, 95, Linux, Solaris, AIX or HPUX.

Not a troll - it was XP (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824899)

I should have been more clear: I was running XP.

Re:Kernel responsiveness to user input (4, Interesting)

Some Bitch (645438) | about 10 years ago | (#8824801)

So....would the Linux kernel 2.6.x be extremely responsivle to user input, no matter what else is going on?

I can only speak from personal experience but I find KDE 3.2.1 + Kernel 2.6.5 pretty hard to slow down. Even with a large emerge going on in the background (processor at 100%) and XMMS doing it's thing (along with the usual 20 zillion apps open) I still find my desktop as responsive as when the processor is idling. Things slow a little if it starts paging to disk but with 512MB RAM that doesn't happen often.

Re:Kernel responsiveness to user input (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | about 10 years ago | (#8824940)

Maybe the mac was tuned to give more priority to user input since thats the nature of its use but your system was configured to share things out equally - the way things should be on some sort of server. Mac is just a very nicely tuned up unix which rocks!

Serial-ATA (4, Interesting)

moonbender (547943) | about 10 years ago | (#8824681)

At work we're considering buying a new (low end) Dell server which uses S-ATA hard drives. It's supposed to house a SuSE Linux system in the future. However, I'm not sure how well Linux in general, and SuSE in particular works with Serial-ATA drives, especially when there's nothing but Serial-ATA available - ie. the installer would need to work with it, as well.

The best resource I found was this page [linuxmafia.com], but it doesn't help me a lot, either. The server would be a Dell Poweredge 750 running the Intel 7210 [intel.com] chipset, which supports S-ATA.

The system which the new server should replace is currently running SuSE Pro 8.1, which I am fairly certain does not support S-ATA - but does SuSE 9.x?

Re:Serial-ATA (3, Informative)

richie2000 (159732) | about 10 years ago | (#8824917)

The nearest I could find in the generic kernel (2.6.4) is intel ICH5 support, and it appears [intel.com] the 6300ESB I/O bus [intel.com] in the E7210 has the same (or at least similar) chip.

If not, this should keep you happy:

The Intel® 6300ESB ICH contains a set of registers that shadow the contents of the legacy IDE registers. The behavior of the Command and Control Block registers, PIO and DMA data transfers, resets, and interrupts are all emulated.

Re:Serial-ATA (1)

moonbender (547943) | about 10 years ago | (#8824972)

Thanks for the reply. I had read about the ICH5/6 support, but I wasn't sure it'd translate to support for the E7210. Of course, if the mainboard can just act as if the S-ATA hard drives are regular P-ATA ones, at least for the scope of the installation process, all is well.

Correction regarding Gnome. (4, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | about 10 years ago | (#8824686)

SuSE 9.1 beta does not come with the latest Gnome (2.6) it comes with Gnome 2.4 because 2.6 was released too late to make it into SuSE 9.1 beta. However, Gnome 2.6 will likely be available from SuSE as a separate download.

Don't you remember Joe Barr's pathetic whining about Gnome and SuSE 9.1 beta in his Quick Look [linux.com] article. Possibly the worst review ever written.

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Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8824750)

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So much for the review... (4, Interesting)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | about 10 years ago | (#8824841)

65 comments and the site folds..
Well, nevertheless..

I for one will be buying 9.1 professional.
I use 9.0 pro now and am very happy with it.
I tried bringing it up with the 2.6 kernel and KDE 3.2 but wasn't happy with that. Things didn't integrate well so I backed it down to a stock 9.0 package and all is well.

Having them integrate all the goodies ensures that everything will work as expected and I'm more than happy to wait (what else can you do?) for 9.1

I'll be traveling over to Fry's to pick up my package of 9.1 Pro when it hits the shelf.
I want the DVD and CD's and books and support. And I don't mind at all paying for it because in my 27 years of working with/on computers, Suse is the BEST operating system package I have used. Everything else is just second rate and inferior.
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