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2004: Year of the Penguin?

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the we've-heard-that-before dept.

Linux 427

houseofmore writes "The Toronto star suggests that things are looking good for the Linux desktop this year as more heavy weight commercial vendors get behind it, including HP, Novell, IBM, Sun and... Walmart. It also mentions Red Hat's plan to offer a new corporate desktop edition of their enterprise desktop sometime this year. The article states that more and more companies are considering (and) switching to Linux for their desktop due to expensive Windows licensing fees and high-profile security vulnerabilities."

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blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848332)

Paust farst

qq (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848346)


YOU FAIL IT. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848414)

I am.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848349)

...the Penguin! or was it walrus? Who cares as long as I have a yellow sub sandwich?

Maybe when... (5, Insightful)

spungo (729241) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848354)

- one of the big vendors decide to publicly ship a consumer desktop machine with a GNU/Linux install (or even a dual install), will I start to think that the challenge is on.

Re:Maybe when... (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848444)

Agreed. OEM support is a big issue. Many of the problems I ran into when testing various distros [] wouldn't happen on an OEM machine.

Laptops (3, Insightful)

b0r0din (304712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848562)

I'm waiting for a huge backing for a laptop that Linux supports fully, including things like wifi support, full driver support, etc. When I can get a fairly affordable laptop with Linux installed, or a base driver system maybe built for IBM or HP parts, then I'll begin to think Linux starting to make heavy inrows.

Re:Laptops (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848726)

--coincidence. I just posted what I think is a good idea around the concept of the built from scratch linux laptop. It is in the "geeks inherit the earth" article.

Seriously... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848357)

Don't we hear this every year?

Re:Seriously... (1)

Chip7 (587423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848480)

yep ... every single year for the past 5 years i'd say. Linux makes greats strides toward a wider acceptance but it will throw off MS as much as it did it last year! Anybody thinks MS is weaker today because the last 5 years was "the year of linux"?

Will it ever end? (4, Funny)

FreemanPatrickHenry (317847) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848358)

Previous headlines in the Toronto Star:

4/2003: "2003: The Year of the Penguin?"
4/2002: "2002: The Year of the Penguin?"
4/2001: "2001: The Year of the Penguin?"
4/2000: "2000: The Year of the Penguin?"
4/1999: "1999: The Year of the Penguin?"

Re:Will it ever end? (4, Funny)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848429)

That'd really fuck up the Chinese calendar if those headlines came true.

New headline... (1)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848430)

4/2004: "2004: Your fucking website doesn't work, FreemanPatrickHenry"

: )

Re:Will it ever end? (3, Funny)

good(k)night (754537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848502)

or maybe it should be:

1/4/2004: "2004: The Year of the Penguin?"
1/4/2003: "2003: The Year of the Penguin?"

Re:Will it ever end? (5, Funny)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848685)

Toronto Star posts it every year

Slashdot posts it every month

Slashdot wins!

Come to Boston. (1)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848699)

Yeah, over here, we're called "Red Sox fans". This is the year, didn't they tell you? :P

Another One (-1)

NessusRed (710227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848359)

Wow another article about how THIS year will be the year of Linux on the desktop. This article has been recycled for the past 5 years or so. Admit it.

Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848360)

IBM Linux Ad []

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (1)

jcinnamond (463196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848447)

Doubtless developed using Macromedia Studio MX for linux?

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848505)

Anyone else concerned by IBM's decision to make 'Linux' look like a 4 year old Eminem?

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (2, Funny)

spungo (729241) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848541)

What, you'd prefer Vanilla Ice? ;-)

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (1)

Guildencrantz (234779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848722)

He reminds me of the kids fromVillage of the Damned [] .

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848547)

Well, shouldn't we be happy because of the possible come back of variety ?
I personally look forward a stituation that'd be like 15-20 years ago, when there were many environments and languages, when there was CHOICE.
So, if IBM want to use their advertising service's Macs to create a Macromedia ad to promote Linux, I say "OK".

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848602)

MSN link on IBM ad about Linux [] Oh the irony!

"I talked to IBM's Lisa Baird, who is responsible for the company's worldwide advertising. She explained that this ad is actually targeting a highly select group, including "CEOs, CFOs, and prime ministers." Wow. That's not me, and my reader mail suggests that it's not you either. (Or do prime ministers often say, "Suck it, assclown"?) So this ad isn't meant for us, and, although it cost gazillions of dollars to produce and is on television all the time (especially during football games), it also has nothing to sell us.

At least nothing tangible. Baird says the ad is selling a perception: the perception that Linux is important, that it's here for the long haul, and that it's got some big guns behind it--like IBM, Muhammad Ali, and yes, even Laverne. So when the tech guy at your company proposes a switch to Linux, he's taken seriously. All because you, and more importantly your CEO, watched this ad during the football game."

Re:Check this out - very cool IBM Ad for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848626)

Hey did they make that cool flash advertising linux on a linux box....Macromedia does make flash for linux...uhhh right?

Should this be the new Suse Mascot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848365)

opinions needed []

No mention of SCO... (0, Troll)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848370)

Well actually there is in the article but its under Horoscopes so prehaps thats a pointer to a bright future. Actually what star sign is Linux?


Re:No mention of SCO... (3, Interesting)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848524)

Actually what star sign is Linux?

Well, as can been seen here [] , Torvalds himself is not sure. Anyway, the problem also lies in selecting a specific birthday for Linux. Perhaps the most logical choice is the release of the first version, 0.10. Torvalds has this to say about that:

Judging from the post, 0.01 wasn't actually out yet, but it's close. I'd guess the first version went out in the middle of September -91. I got some responses to this (most by mail, which I haven't saved), and I even got a few mails asking to be beta-testers for linux.

Middle of September would indicate that Linux is probably a Virgo (August 24 to September 23), but it could also possibly be a Libra (September 23 to October 23). To decide between the two, I will need to do extensive analysis of Linux's character and disposition. Or I could just flip a coin ...

Re:No mention of SCO... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848694)

Middle of September would indicate that Linux is probably a Virgo

How very appropriate; as most Slashdotters are virgoes (virgi? virgo?) as well!

Re:No mention of SCO... (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848544)

Since it came out and was released to the public originally/officially in October 5 1991, I suspect it would be a Libra...

Yep - October 5th... (2, Informative)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848587)



From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT
Date: 5 Oct 91 05:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers? Are you without a nice project and just dying to cut your teeth on a OS you can try to modify for your needs? Are you finding it frustrating when everything works on minix? No more all- nighters to get a nifty program working? Then this post might be just for you :-)


Re:No mention of SCO... (0)

good(k)night (754537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848546)

SCO is like SCOrpio?
and Tux is what? Virgo? ;->

Re:No mention of SCO... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848576)

1991 was the year of the Goat/Sheep.

Sounds Familiar (5, Funny)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848376)

Okay, we were wrong in 2001, 2002, and 2003, but we really mean it this time.

I hope it does happen this year though.

Re:Sounds Familiar (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848550)

From what I've seen so far [] , there are only two possible desktops for the average user:

1. SuSE
2. Java Desktop System (SuSE based)

I haven't had a chance to try Xandros, so that may be a competitor as well. The biggest problem is that the Linux developers have to get off their high horse and make binary distribution as easy as source distribution. SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, etc. are all Linux, but all need different RPM files. And then some RPMs may not match the version of libc/glibc you use.

What's the standard solution? "Just recompile it."

That is *not* acceptable for the average end user. Take a look at Mac OS X. They got it right. You download the DMG, it mounts as a folder, you copy the "program" (really a folder that the OS makes look like a file) to your Applications directory. Done.

Linux OTOH, goes like this: Find the RPM you want. Try to install and get a list of dependencies. Go track down every dependency you need (because you should already have libart_gpl and libtheora, right?!) and then install the dependencies. After spending and hour or two just to install one piece of software, log out and log back in so the menus update. Then try to run the software and hope that you didn't accidently install an incompatible binary. ARRRGGGHHH!!!

I know how I feel about open source (1, Insightful)

mindless4210 (768563) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848391)

"The power of innovation in the open-source community is unparalleled," says Chris Pratt, manager of IBM Canada's Internet server business. "You've got thousands of people working on this thing for no other reason than to produce the best quality product. If you look at what they've been able to produce up until now, imagine how it's going to go forward."

This guy couldn't have put it any better. It's the reason Linux will continue to grow and have deeper market pennetration over the next few years.

It's good to see that more and more people are recognizing the power of Linux, especially when it comes to a server OS. It's very powerful, modular, and best of all... it's free.

Re:I know how I feel about open source (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848462)

I would agree that the intent is there, but at least in this user's opinion, most Linux development is done in the spirit of keeping up with/improving on the latest Microsoft offering.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't call that "innovation".

And that's not meant to be a knock against Linux; just an observation that a lot of Linux supporters won't face up to, IMHO.

Re:I know how I feel about open source (2, Interesting)

Oxy the moron (770724) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848578)

In reality, I suppose it depends on how you define "innovation." Many things Microsoft has done aren't exactly 100% innovative, either. A lot of their big money makers were brain childs of another company that MS either bought and took over, or started their own and improved on what was laid before them.

I think that if one were to compare which has brought about more innovation (of MS and Linux), Linux would still be at the forefront.

Lies, opinions, and half-truths (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848491)

If you agree with any of this, feel free to repost it endlessly!

* If "Linux" just refers to the kernel and not the operating system, how can "FreeBSD" refer to the operating system (userland tools, standard libraries, etc.) and not just the kernel? Face it, "GNU/Linux" looks and sounds ridiculous.

* If you expect companies to follow the copyright of the GPL, you should support the RIAA going after infringers of its copyright. If not, you're a hypocrite.

* There is absolutely nothing wrong with a company being upset that its product is being pirated freely over online networks. Try getting a real job sometime and see what it feels like when your work is everywhere, and you start worrying that your days are numbered. Does John Carmack want you to "sample" his new game via the "free advertising" happening on eMule?

* OSDN-owned Slashdot thinks its niche opinion represents the majority of the world. This is a result of people visiting every day and buying into the groupthink. Nobody outside of Slashdot knows or cares about "Linux," "RIAA", "M$," or anything else Slashdotters think is such a huge issue in today's society. Go to a mall or coffee shop sometime and see what people actually talk about.

* Speaking of OSDN--it's a Linux company...that owns a "tech news" site...that posts news stories negative toward competitors like Microsoft. If a Windows company or even Microsoft itself owned a "tech news" site and posted anti-Linux articles all the time, everyone would be up in arms. But with OSDN, it's a-okay.

* Slashbots think people don't like the music coming out these days, which is the cause of the piracy. Never mind that if people didn't like the music they wouldn't be pirating it, most Slashbots--again, this goes back to the niche opinion thing--don't realize that most people these days love the music coming out and want to hear all of it. Probing around, you discover that Slashdot is made up of nerds and fogies who listen to things like The Who and Blind Guardian and techno--not what mainstream society enjoys.

* Any company ending in "AA" is evil. Especially if it doesn't want you distributing its works without paying for it. Somehow, this mindset is supposed to make sense.

* The inevitable result of all this is a world in which nothing can be profitable because people simply pirate free copies. Is that really what Slashbots want? OSS and free-ness in general reminds me of the hippie era of the 60s--idealistic socialism that only exists because of the surrounding capitalism around it that provides the environment for it to exist. We all know what happened to that idea.

* Slashdot editors are abusive. We all remember The Post. It's amusing the editors never mention the issue. The worst editor is michael, who will mod you down, insult you for your post count, and post unprofessional color commentary along with the article. This is the same bizarre person who cybersquatted Censorware for years--even as Slashdot posted articles negative toward cybersquatting! Michael played it off like he was some sort of stalking victim, which made it all the more bizarre.

* The moderation system is broken. If you mod someone as "Overrated," you can't be metamodded. People abuse this all the time to gang up and knock you down into oblivion.

* Somehow, user-ran executables are always a "New Microsoft Hole" (actual article headline). Meanwhile, LinuxSecurity [] posts weekly security advisories for all the Linux distributions. You never, ever, EVER see any of these mentioned on Slashdot--bizarre things like arbitrary code execution via MPlayer.

* Microsoft is supposed to be some sort of non-innovative rip-off artist. Meanwhile, the same people posting those comments do it through KDE with taskbars, sidepanels, start menus, similar print dialogs, and an integrated web/filesystem browser. Slashdotters--ripping people off then criticizing those who came up with the ideas in the first place.

* Linux is "ready for the desktop." This is the yearly uttering since 1998. Never mind that there is STILL no binary installation/uninstallation API for desktops, you can't come home with a printer and a CD and stick it in to get an Autoplay menu that lets you set up the driver. Somehow, Linux is just magically supposed to be ready--that is, if someone else sets it up for you and you never change or add your hardware or software and doing nothing else but check e-mail and browse the web. Conveniently, this includes grandmas, so people can post their grandma-using-Linux stories as "proof."

* Slashdot professes to be some sort of golden defender of consumer copyright law. Few people remember that in an IRC chat, Hemos said that what DailySlash is doing was "illegal" and that they should stop.

* Corporate-owned, subscription fees, banner ads, reposts, and complete falsehoods. Remember when Slashdot was a great tech news site for nerds? Before the point of the site was to have an anti-RIAA, anti-"M$" agenda? When it was just about posting cool technology stories regardless?

Slashdot is dead.

Got it wrong, actually (1)

cipher chort (721069) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848717)

Mr. Pratt actually completely missed the boat with that comment. Those thousands of people aren't "working on this thing" to "produce the best quality product" (half of them would probably revolt at it being called "product"), they're working on it because:
a) They're allowed to
b) They wanted something to exist that didn't before, or they wanted the same function to be performed with a different interface, options, etc...

Quality is not an overriding goal, as witnessed by the fact that Linux has generally horrible documentation (man pages, heh!). There are misspellings, factually false statements, incorrect or misleading statements, and worst a general incompleteness.

As has already been discussed to death, useability is not a goal either and as a result the software is often confusing for anyone other than the authors to use (because, after all, the authors didn't write it for YOU, they wrote it for themselves).

People fundamentally misunderstand the actual process of OSS (and especially GPL) software. It's not created because thousands of volunteers are trying to create a high-quality, competing set of products, it's created by and for the authors, and other people are allowed to download it (but God help them if the instructions aren't sufficient).

Perhaps to IBM it's about creating a better quality product, because their business has a huge interest in that, but that's not really community volunteerism, that's people who are getting paid by IBM, HP, Novell, Red Hat, etc to work on Linux. That would be like saying there are thousands of people in Redmond trying to make Windows a quality product... well, no kidding!

I'll make a prediction, and it is that there will be no penetration into the corporate market by "free" Linux, it will all be the commercial sort, that you pay for, just like any other software. The key features of this software will not have been designed by volunteers, but by paid coders for major corporations.

Don't believe me? Well have you been in a corporate data center recently? My job involves travelling to new customer sites every week and I've seen all of two Linux distros being used corporately: Red Hat in 99.9999% of the cases, and one small shop where the network admin was a Linux zealot and had a Debian box performing some utility functions, but again their blade server ran Red Hat...

robbIE unable to have inplanted chip removed? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848394)

& so it goes? those corepirate nazi payper liesense felons are so execrabilious?

all is not lost.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the year(s) of newclear power ad infinitum.

linux at large conservative org - stop the press! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848397)

There's been a lot of interest in Linux at my place of employ over the past 12 months. Not just wishful thinking kind of interest - - - but the kind of interest that leads to full testing environments to see if it's feasible to support linux in our environment, over multiple hardware platforms. What's most interesting is that my organization is both large, and also very very conservative.

This is rubbish. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848399)

2004 is the year of the penisbird !

( )

P-bird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848518)

Heh. Thanks for keeping it real.

That's a new one (2, Funny)

atrizzah (532135) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848404)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that '05 will be a penguin year as well

Re:That's a new one (1)

Derang() (318404) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848428)

I'd be willing to go further than that and include 2006 and 2007 as well :)

Speaking of Which (-1, Offtopic)

MrNonchalant (767683) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848411)

Anyone else see and ponder the advertising campaign on Slashdot by MS claiming in the end Windows server software is cheaper than *nix. Uh, sure, Bill, we believe you...

We're On Board (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848416)

Recently upgraded all of our workstations to Linux. Fully wiped about 15 machines and added a custom install of Fedora Core 1 in less than six hours. We use a single Windows 2003 Server via rdesktop for a handful of legacy applications. The amazing thing is that everything worked flawlessly. We've had a handful of interface questions and a few printer hiccups and that's it.

Other small companies can do this and do it now.

...and Sun?.... (0, Troll)

james_in_denver (757233) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848418)

Didn't Sun just get assimilated by M$?....

Training Costs (3, Insightful)

LaNMaN2000 (173615) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848435)

One of the things few Linux desktop advocates consider is the cost of retraining users to use the new software and any loss of productivity that would result from incompatibilities between OSS Office packages (OpenOffice,StarOffice,etc.) and Microsoft's offering. If 90% of business users create their documents in word then even subtle incompatibilities or limitations of the import functionality could make it very difficult to share information across and between organizations.

It is the chicken and the egg problem. The value in MS Software is certainly not any features of the packages, themselves; it is the network effect of being able to easily share data with all other users of the software.

Re:Training Costs (5, Insightful)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848536)

Training guy: Remember that white plane Word had were you typed your text?

Luser: Yeah...

Training guy: Your new word processor also has it...

Luser: ........

Training guy: You know how you used 'open' and 'save' and 'print' in that 'file' menu in the top of the window?

Luser: Yeah....

Training guy: Good, keep doing that.

Luser: Ok....

Training guy: Remember how above the white plane you could select the font and its size? And whit those funny buttons with italic and bold text you could make the text in the white plane turn to italic and bold?

Luser: Uhuh...

Training guy: Great! NEXT!

Re:Training Costs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848600)

Training costs my ass, we rolled out 125 thin client workstations to our manufacturing floor. Now ask me how much time we spent training them to click the icon I put on the desktop. These guys are metal benders not rocket scientists when it comes to something with a keyboard attached.

Oh you mean like how my shop floor guys can access the windows shares from their desktops because I mounted them for them.

Oh you mean like the 1 support guy for each 100 windows workstations we have because they spend 80% of their day removing spyware and adware junk.

Re:Training Costs (2, Interesting)

robertjw (728654) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848665)

Huh, few Linux desktop advocates consider retraining? Interesting since every Linux desktop article I've seen in the last 2 years mentioned the cost of retraining.

My perception could be completely wrong, but most Microsoft Office users I know don't have a clue how to do anything but the most rudimentary document creation in Word, or the most basic spreadsheet creation in Excel. Couple that with the incompatibility problems we run into because we aren't willing to shell out $300/year/user to upgrade to the latest greatest Office Suite and the cost of retraining seems like much less of a hurdle.

It's taken a while, but MS's stranglehold on the desktop is finally starting to slip. OpenOffice is a good product, MS's upgrades are too complicated and too expensive and, most importantly, Linux is starting to make inroads with large vendors. All of these factors will help bolster the Linux Desktop and make the "chicken and the egg" problem work against Microsoft, rather than for them.

Re:Training Costs (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848713)

...any loss of productivity that would result from incompatibilities between OSS Office packages (OpenOffice,StarOffice,etc.) and Microsoft's offering.

And what you neglect to mention is the loss of procutivity inherent in the use of Microsoft's offering.

I say this as a p!ssed off Word user who just spent 1/2 the day yesterday writing a Word manual and then spent the other 1/2 day rewriting it after Word ate it! Word itself corrupted 1 table and trashed 3/4 of the document! It was only a 30 page doc with maybe a dozen graphics! Why?

This is not an isolated incident: I have been using MS Office since Win 3.1 days and this has been a "feature" of every version of Office since I started.

So, really, the question for me is becoming: do I want to spend some time reformatting docs from other people or do I want to spend my time re-creating stuff that I've already done? Believe me, if OpenOffice or StarOffice is more reliable, I'm there!

On a related note (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848436)

more and more companies are seeing increased baldness from their computer users after using the new Linux distros.

Women naturally blamed their hair loss on spouses.

I think I speak for everyone when I say... (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848439)

...please no more of these, Slashdot! It seems you post two a month now. They're always the same, everyone makes fun of them, and they don't offer anything new or insightful other than "things are looking good."


Re:I think I speak for everyone when I say... (2, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848655)

Gotta love your sig. Mostly because it's a lie. I've had a lot of people ask me about Linux, geek types and not, because they've heard a little bit about it somewhere and want to know what it's all about.

Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (2, Troll)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848442)

I kid you not, I've installed 3 different flavors of linux on 6 different computers at home with 6 different soundcards for the past 7 years. Linux has NEVER worked with any of my sound cards. The latest attempt was knoppix, with a sound blaster audigy. Anyone ever have any luck with it?

Until the linux desktop has the ease of use windows, or OSX when things go wrong I don't think it will be ready for primetime on the desktop. I wish it was, because neither of the other two OS's are that appealing to me. And while more games are coming out for linux, there still isn't any counterstrike on linux. I've never read about anyone getting it to work correctly with WINE either.

Re:Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848567)

I'm not at my home PC now (Debian unstable), but it supports my SB Audigy with ALSA. Knoppix should be able to pick it up, too, I'm constantly amazed at the amount of iron it recognizes (embedded laptop soundcards, even!). You might not have an up-to-date version?

As for CS on WINE: I use winex (transgaming) for games, and yes, CS works on it [] . I have, in fact, personally run it a year ago or so.

Re:Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (1)

psbrogna (611644) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848598)

Mandrake 9, 10 & FC1, FC2 test2 (but not test1) detected Audigy and integrated intel sound chips with no problems. When I do have problems I don't think its hardware related, I think its packaging problems with competing sound architectures.

Re:Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848631)

Disable the kernel emu10k1 module; download the souurce and compile from scratch at [] . Possibly in a recent 2.4 or 2.6 the builtin emu10k1 driver works with audigy and audigy 2, not sure.

Re:Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (2, Informative)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848680)

Were you using ALSA or OSS? OSS is pretty much dead and I haven't used it in years. That said, I've never NOT been able to get a soundcard working with ALSA. I'm not saying full functionality 100% of the time, but basic sound has never been a problem. I'm not sure which distros you used but I can almost guarantee that SuSE 9.0 would have picked up and configured that card for you. SB Audigy support has been in ALSA since the 0.9 series which I know is included in SuSE 9.0.

Re:Just as soon as Linux works with my sound card. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848730)

are you kidding? even my hippy drunkard flatmate managed to get HL/CS and his (okok, its not an audigy, but almost) SBLive working great under linux!

I've always found Creative cards to be well supported under *nix, even back in RH5 days, the awe64 (or whatever i had!) worked "ok"

Walmart? (0, Offtopic)

sleepnmojo (658421) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848446)

Won't linux turn into windows. The kind of people who shop at Walmart, I would assume aren't very computer savy. The whole reason linux is so great is because these people aren't on it. Sure everyone wants linux to do great, but do you really want to go over to your mother's house to fix her computer because she doesn't understand a commandline. The only reason I like them offering linux, is because the overall cost of a prebuilt computer is cheaper.

Duck like penguin??? (2, Funny)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848448)

What's so duck-like about a penguin? That it's a bird.. that messes around in the water? Maybe ducks are actually penguin like..

so, logically... (5, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848678)

if the penguin weighs the same as a duck, it's made out of wood, and therefore...?

Wait a moment (3, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848456)

Unless, somehow , all those copies of Windows 95/98/ME/2K/XP installed on 90% of the PCs of home users some how , misteriously disappear over a period of one year and magically they have Redhat./Suse/Mandrake/Debain/Slack/Gentoo installed .

And then all those ex-windows users, some how magically learn how to use linux (not that it is hard, but it still has to be learnt, just as they did learn (?) to use windows)., I don't see this happening. Same holds for all the corporate desktops

I am tired of people claiming "This is the year of linux", year after year after year. There is never going to be one single year of linux, It will have to slowly and steadly erode in to M$ territory. But it will take a much longer time than a mear year, or even a decade, unless ofcourse M$ decides to do something very stupid, like I don't know, Make the wallpaper with setve ballmer and make it unchangable.

Re:Wait a moment (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848695)

The catalyst is the business desktop. People like what they're familiar with. They'll become familiar with Linux if the business they work in switches over to Linux for whatever reason. So they'll be more inclined to try it at home. Many people get software "upgrades" from work. May as well give them one that's legal and an actual upgrade :)

Re:Wait a moment (4, Insightful)

telbij (465356) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848719)

There is never going to be one single year of linux, It will have to slowly and steadly erode in to M$ territory.

Funny that you never see articles about this, but it's the truth. I would go so far as to say that growing Linux marketshare is inevitable going down the line. Why? Because Linux is not subject to the same market forces that cause Microsoft to ignore bugs while building ridiculous and ill-advised features that simply look good in a power point. While Microsoft struggles to please shareholders, Linux is plodding along fixing bugs and steadily increasing the value of the platform.

Tech news is dominated by financials, and Linux has oodles of economic potential, but to look at Linux in those terms is so shortsighted. Linux is true progress in the sense that its advances can never be expunged as we have seen happen time and time again with proprietary software. Once Linux reaches a critical point, there will be no financial incentive to develop a separate OS. At most, companies will customize Linux, but in general commercial development will shift to the application layer where it belongs, and we can look forward to renewed competition in the software industry, only this time on a much more solid base.

Of course there's no telling how long all this could take...

You can always... (4, Insightful)

Tuxedo Jack (648130) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848457)

Drop a few hints to your local MS vendor that you're thinking about switching to Linux to make them drop their costs on licensing fees.

Trust me, it's so wonderful to take an MS vendor to lunch, sing the praises of Linux the whole time, then take them to a room near your computer room and point out the two shiny new mailservers that are blank and say you're debating about the TCO of Linux versus Exchange.

Same old, same old. (2, Insightful)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848460)

Another month, another prediction. And yet, most people on Slashdot run IE (and hence Windows).

Linux womble 2.6.4 #1 Tue Mar 16 10:52:42 GMT 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

Re:Same old, same old. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848643)

most people are at work....
Plus slashdot looks sorta funny in firefox.

Re:Same old, same old. (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848651)

I read slashdot at work, where I have NO choice in the OS and browser I use.

*sigh* *mumbles something about insensitive clods*

Just loaded a walmart box yesterday (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848478)

Just loaded up a walmart box with fedora for my sister last night. Got to work this morning and ordered up a bunch of HP linux workstations. So yes the time has long since come.

I've heard this since about 1997 or so. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848482)

"Maybe we'll get 'em next year." - Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox, Sacramento Kings, and Linux.

Every year is the year of the pengiun (3, Insightful)

ArbitraryConstant (763964) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848485)

Seriously. Every year major stuff happens that no one thought we'd ever see.

running MS-Word on a Linux Machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848498)

The biggest change will come when you can run MSWord on a Linux machine. For many nonliterate computer users, computing is about using MSWord.

File names in Linux (1, Funny)

3terrabyte (693824) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848503)

If I switched an mp3 server to linux, would I have to worry about spaces in the mp3 files? Can they be 64 characters long?


Re:File names in Linux (-1, Troll)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848580)

No, Linux only supports the FAT16 filesystem at present, so you're stuck with 8.3 filenames. It doesn't have any enterprise level filesystems at all. Honest.

Re:File names in Linux (1)

dmaxwell (43234) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848630)

Linux itself is happy with files named that way. All of the filesystems that are suitable to be the root filesystem support it. The only issues may come with apps built around shell scripts to stream the files or something. Some shellcode may throw a hissy over the spaces. That said there will be plethora of alternatives if the particular helper app you had in mind doesn't like it.

If you are just going to set up a Samba fileshare or something then no real issues are going to come up. Just chuck 'em in a directory and set up your share.

The filenames can be well over 64 characters long. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the limit is 256 characters.

Re:File names in Linux (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848666)

It works, it's just not pretty on the command line, which is why most people don't use them:

ls -l You\ could\ always\ escape\ spaces\ like\ this.mp3


ls -l "Filenames can certainly be 64 characters long, even longer.mp3"

Yes, the "," is supported, too, and you can easily have more than one "." in a filename. Compare this to Windows:

Me: F2 -> Rename "htaccess" to ".htaccess" before uploading
Win: "Wah, wah, you must supply a file name (and not just an extension)!"

I mean, really...

IBM + Laptops (4, Insightful)

ibm5_25 (713547) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848504)

If IBM is doing so much for Linux (inc. their ad campagin with the little dude a while back) why can't you buy one of their laptops with Linux preinstalled?

Dupe! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848515)

This is a dupe of the following articles:

2003: Year of the Penguin?
2002: Year of the Penguin?
2001: Year of the Penguin?
2000: Year of the Penguin?
1999: Year of the Penguin?
1998: Year of the Penguin?

Every year? (-1, Redundant)

Devil (16134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848519)

No offense, everyone, but don't they say this every year?

"This year is the year Linux breaks through the Microsoft juggernaut! Really! We swear! Honest! We're totally serious and sure this time!"

Every Year (3, Insightful)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848549)

For me because evry year I look back and say look how much progress was made this year...i mean it just grows and there is no stopping it no matter what anyone says.

Walmart: "Low cost" alternative (1)

sploxx (622853) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848565)

The walmart advertisement are a bit like the PC advertisements some time ago (before the linux era), which stated something like: "With PC-DOS7, the alternative OS..."... which was more or less only an invitation to replace it with a MS windows installation, i.e. "here's something to play with, you can always replace it with Win XP if you want to start your real work" alternative.

IMHO, if the end user feels that Linux is only a toy OS to replaced by "something more professional", this may also hurt the image of Linux.

Tech Support Job Security! (-1, Offtopic)

Guildencrantz (234779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848570)

It's nice to see that tech support jobs are just getting that much more secure. Wish they'd just stay here in the US.


Say it often enough, you will be right (4, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848583)

Personally, having tried Xandros/1.0 and now using Xandros/2.0 it's clear that Windows has real competition.

No doubt this comment will be targetted by the increasing number of moderators who appear to be Windows admirers, but I have enough karma for a whole barbeque, so here goes with a list of the ten reasons why Linux is destined to overtake Windows in 2004 (or 2005, or 2006, etc.)

- Windows is expensive, Linux is free
- Distros like Xandros "just work"
- Linux is secure from worms, trojans, viruses
- Linux runs on modest hardware
- Linux is less complex and thus more stable
- Linux has a "cool" factor missing from Windows
- The IT world's view of Microsoft as "evil" is percolating down to the general public
- Linux now comes with a sufficient set of applications for most common purposes
- Linux applications are more stable and simpler than Windows' ones

And lastly: more and more institutions will choose Linux as they discover the advantages of it, leading to consumer uptake as people "stay compatible" with their work PCs.

From a 3% marketshare this seems unbelievable. And yet this is how markets work: the "tipping" often happens way before the 20% mark, but once it starts, it's unstoppable.

At the very least, 2004 was the year in which people seriously started to wonder "when" and not "whether" Linux would become the de-facto OS standard for all computing, including the desktop.

Google says... (1)

Devil (16134) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848588)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720 for "year of the penguin". (0.07 seconds)

Re:Google says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848654)

Whereas for "day of the triffids" you get 20,700.

Hmmmm...I wonder which will come first, Year of the Penguin or Day of the Triffids?

The rest of the stories (4, Informative)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848607)

The Toronto Star's @Biz section stories were all-but-one about Linux yesterday. [] (The Tux with sling was big across the front.)

Slashdot, What have you done? (2, Interesting)

strike2867 (658030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848614)

I just saw and add for Windows Server [] on top of slashdot. It said

Windows server offers a savings of 11%-22% over Linux in 4 out of 5 workload scenarios.

How can this happen?

Why there will never be a "Year of the Penguin" (5, Insightful)

hotspotbloc (767418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848638)

And why it's not a bad thing.

GNU/Linux is in it for the long haul. MS Windows flashes on the media's screen with a new release and fades away. GNU/Linux is growing bigger and stronger everyday. As that happens more and more companies will port their wares, more hardware venders will supply GNU/Linux instead of MS Windows, more users will leave MS Windows (most likely because they're tired of the upgrade costs for both hard and software related to the upgrade), and someday MS Windows will be a "niche" OS.

Think about it like Apple. They make an excellent OS which includes some great apps, overall better than average desktop and small server hardware, is clearly better than MS Windows but still isn't "number one". Is this a bad thing: no. Apple will be around for a long time building their stuff reguardless of their marketshare. IMO this is the fate for MS Windows (except for the quality part of course).

Forget about this "Year of the Penguin" stuff because no one year will be it's "year". GNU/Linux is here to stay, grow and get better.

Corporate vs. Home (3, Insightful)

PretzelBat (770907) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848641)

The article states "Fortune 1000 companies are already dabbling." While this may be true, Linux becoming dominant on the home desktop is still unlikely, IMHO. There are still too many usability issues for the average computer user to perform configuration in Linux (e.g. installation of programs). Once KDE is up and running, I suppose everyone will be okay until the purchase of a new printer, etc., but until system changes are as simple to handle in Linux as they are in Windows, there is not much chance of Aunt Tillie feeling comforatable with Linux.

In a corporate environment, where configuration is taken care of by IT, this is a completely different issue, and I can see that Linux is liable to make some important inroads here in the next few years. Perhaps once Linux becomes more widespread in corporate America (and has polished up some of the persistant usability issues), it will begin to make more of an impact on the home desktop market.

Every year is the year of the Penguin ... (1, Insightful)

zapyon (575974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848642)

... at least for a number of years to come. Why? Easy: While MS OSes have reached a state of saturation of the market, Linux is only just entering the exponential part of the growth function -- with many factors playing in favour of Linux.

stupid slashdot nerds... (-1, Offtopic)

hangingonwords (581642) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848646)

so the Toronto star suggests that things are looking good for the Linux desktop this year...
I heard the Linux article was right next to an interview with Bat Boy.
So i guess it's official, thing ARE looking good for linux. THANKS TORONTO STAR!

Not until Linux software gets there too. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8848657)

Linux on the desktop won't succeed until the applications can be installed and run by Joe User. I'm a Linux newbie with RH 9 on a home server. If I didn't remember a little UNIX from mumbledy-mumble years ago I'd be completely lost.

It's running great as a server, but as a desktop it's not there. I've downloaded plenty of software and getting any of it running has been a struggle. Documentation is terrible, if it's there at all it says high level things like "run the makefile", which doesn't work half the time anyhow. How is Joe User supposed to know how to do that? Frequently applications don't even say how to RUN the freaking thing after it's installed. With no desktop icon and no uninstall program how is a user supposed to use Linux?

Same could be applied to Apple (2, Interesting)

adzoox (615327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848667)

Linux has the "obscurity factor" amongst the psyche.

Mac OS has the "obscurity factor" BUT (and it's a big but) - it is commercially available and known for a very high quality/zero virus/low maintenance - hardware and software - Linux doesn't yet have a SINGLE company that has a commercially successful hardware line AND software line.

+ Macs can run Linux too - even better in some cases - which means one could potentially have a QUASI QUAD BOOT system

Virtual PC = Windows Variants
Linux = Linux PPC or YellowDog
Mac OS X
Mac OS 9

Heck older Macs even boot BEOS well.

**TROLLS - please don't put Intego's FUD trojan alert

I wonder how much this has to do with XP licensing (3, Insightful)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848704)

With XP calling home to register itself, word about the holes that come with the XP firewall, etc. I can see where Linux looks much more attractive ( hell, some home users might have to BUY it ;) ).

Similarly, the increasing cost of XP/Office XP with little or no percieved increase in value *cough*software assurance*cough* has got to be grating the nerves of even a few PHB's.

Either way, it's good to see Linux making some inroads into corporate desktops.

Games (4, Interesting)

w42w42 (538630) | more than 10 years ago | (#8848712)

I use Linux full time as my desktop, except for the two/three times a week I decide to play a game with some friends. Then I have no choice (winex doesn't work) to boot into Windows.

As a work desktop, it more than satisfies my requirements. Honestly though, as much as I'd rather not have to, I have to keep the Windows partition to play those occasional games.

I think that the 'year of the penguin' will come around whenever game companies really start shipping titles for Linux. I think it's ironic though that if a couple of the larger PC manufacturers actually started shipping Linux, that games would be available in short order, I'm sure. Of course, neither industry wants to make the first leap.

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