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Mega HTML Periodic Table

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the now-thats-a-massive-table dept.

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Calcbert sent us a link to one of the best browser stress tests I've seen in awhile. Lucent has a Periodic Table of the Elements online that makes the tables in Slashdot seem nice and minimal. How does Gecko take on that beast? Maybe more important is the fact that I now know what Ununbium is. I thought it was a radioactive card game. Ooo knew? (god it must be late, my jokes actually worse than usual. Didn't know that was possible) Here's another one that has more data, but it doesn't have quitethe same stress testing potential. But now I know the half life of Ununbium too.

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slashdotted already??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014625)

There haven't even been any replies to this posting and the site has already stopped responding! It _must_ be my connection...

Could use this for my chem class (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014626)

alright this is a lot better 'cause my book sucks

too bad it crashed my browser the first time....

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014627)

And it say Netscape 4.07 is "sufficient". Shame it still hasn't loaded yet ( -after 10 minutes at 59 bytes/sec).

/. Crashed it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014628)

Connection refused. The remote host or network may be down.

tablezilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014629)

could it get any bigger? it looks nice but scrolling for ten minutes to see xenon isnt fun :)

Works Great Under Gecko (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014630)

hey -- I checked out that page under Gecko -- as far as I can tell, it works just as fast as Internut Exploiter 4.0. :)

ok, answer THIS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014631)

Don't bother going back to 4.08... it still crashed on FM. BTW, I've found that only certain mirrors crash consistantly (tx, for instance). The ct mirror seems to work ok most of the time.

Results Varies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014632)

I just tried it under Netscape 4.5 on Windows 95B and it took all of about 3 seconds to load and its perfect. IE 4.01 on the same machine took just as long and looks equally good. I only have a 33.6 connection. A two week old version of Mozilla (NS5) took an extra second to load and it's missing a few things, probably something related to the javascript.

The same program isn't going to perform the same on different machines. There are always going to be minor differences and if we are luck we won't notice them.

Good night everybody. Be sure to tip your waitress on the way out.

Worked phine for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014633)

I didn't see what the deal was until I took a look at the page source ... geesh. No problems viewing with Nutscrape 4.5 on FreeBSD 2.2.8. If you want a real workout, try to find what you're looking for on M$'s website...

Click . . . waitwaitwait . . . 401: File not found

I wish to start no flame wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014634)

But, I just thought that I would point out that Internet Explorer 4.72.3110 under Windows 98 handles this test quickly and flawlessly, while Netscape 4.07 under XFree 3.3.2 and Linux 2.2.1 creeps along forever and produces barely passing results...

Interesting, but Netscape 4.5 under Windows 98 loads it a couple of seconds faster than IE in Windows 98 and it looks perfect in both browsers. It looks like crap in Opera 3.51. It's fast loading crap though....

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014635)

Funny, my WIntel box running IE 4.01 loaded it quickly and without error... hmmm...

Instant in IE5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014636)

Using the Win2k beta 3 rc0 (yeah, the beta of the beta) it comes up instantly, and no slowdown scrolling around. I even opened a dozen more windows to see what would happen, and it worked fine.

This is pretty tame litmus (sp?) test for browswers. ALL browsers should be able to do tables fine, especially tables like this with the size hardcoded.

It's much more difficult to do when you have size = x% and trying ot make it look the same in all browsers, and keep it from slowing down when you resize the window (well atleast IE can resize without having to re-rendering the page, but i hear netscape 5 fixes that).

The use of CSS is nice, but they could have done much more. Wish more pages took advantage of css.

Looks fine in Netscape 1.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014637)

It looks just fine with Netscape 1.2 exepct it is in black and white.

I wish to start no flame wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014638)

Loads like a charm on my pokey 90MhZ PPC running MacOS 8.1 and Nutscrape 4.5.

most common element in the universe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014639)

How come I don't see ``stupidity'' in that table?

ok, answer THIS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014640)

4.08 crashes left and right on me, might as well use the version that renders the pages faster, so you have more time to read them before it crashes.

Does anybody else like to popup new windows when they follow links (middle button), and not have netscape 4.x crash when they close the old windows, about 1 out of 5 times? In the process of browsing the slashdot comments for a story netscape usually will crash 2+ times for me.

Oh! Please! THIS SITE IS OOOOOOOOLD!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014641)

/. is a site for News, right?
What the hell is this? The Scientific Site is so old!
/. Sux!
Please!!! Verify and **READ** before post "news".

Speaking of web browsers and tests and such... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014642)

KFM supports PNG.
IE 4.5 Mac does not.
What the FUCK is that shit?

This is getting REALLY tiresome.

Attention: Before you call your product a web
browser:

  1. Go here [w3.org] .
  2. Read.
  3. EVERYTHING.

Netscape is no better.

Re: Gecko-BFD

It takes getting sold to AOL before you start
to care about your browser being %100 compliant
with the W3C's recommendations and that Communicator,
even Navigator, is a fat, bloated, buggy piece of shit?!!!

Fucking losers.
I am glad I never spent a cent on a browser from
either company.

I wish to start no flame wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014643)

Looks perfectly with Netscape 4.5/Sun.

But Lynx/Linux could need a little more work ;)
But it is able to display it - but not the second one (graphic only...).

Ununquadium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014644)

Nice looking page! What stopped me cold, though, was "ununquadium". Am I the only one here old enough to have read Leonard Wibberley's _The Mouse That Roared_, featuring a thermonuclear weapon powered by an element called "quadium" (hydrogen with *three* neutrons)? I wonder if someone at IUPAC came up with the hopelessly generic names knowing that they would quickly lead to quadium (sort of) being enshrined in the Table for real.

Worked fine for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014645)

I don't see why this is such a big deal and why they're browsers are having problems. It came up nearlly instantly for me in ns4.5, XFree 3.3.3, linux 2.034, and netscape is usually slow as sh*t for me!!!

It comes up much faster than Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014646)

Netscape 4.08/Linux 2.2.1/XFree86-3.3.2.3

The periodic table comes up almost instantly.
(Despite the message about "you have no client-side scripting" -- I have JavaScript turned off because Netscape keeps crashing with it on).

OTOH, the Slashdot main page takes 5-10 seconds "thinking" after its been downloaded before anything appears. Me reckons CmdrTaco could do with a bit of an HTML optimising.

BTW, I have images disabled in both cases.

Lynx! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014647)

Heh. Lynx couldn't render it. ;)

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2014648)

NS 4.07 on kernel 2.2.1
popped up in under a second

hmm (1)

xyster (128) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014649)

Because of the complexity of this page, certain browsers may not display it correctly. Your browser does not
support client-side scripts and is most likely insufficient for viewing this page.
------------------------
hm..lets see..have ns 4.5 under 2.2.1?

i need an external program for a table? wtf?

I wish to start no flame wars (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014650)

Hmm, renders just fine on my SGI O2 with Netscape 4.5. Of course I can't run IE natively (and it takes FOREVER to render under Softwindows, but that is not IE's fault (I think)).

I wish to start no flame wars (1)

John Campbell (559) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014651)

Hmm... that's odd. It's nice and fast and looks fine on Netscape 3.01 under XF86 3.3 and Linux 2.2.1, and on a machine that falls far short of the minimum requirements for even running Win98, at that...

NS 3.04 under winblows works fine with the page (1)

Frandsen (816) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014652)

> Because of the complexity of this page, certain
> browsers may not display it correctly. Your
> browser, Netscape Navigator version 3.04, is
> sufficient for viewing this page.

It sure is. :)

If this is news then... (1)

BadlandZ (1725) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014653)

Man, if this is news for nerds, what does that make me? Considering I must have found at least 50 periodic tables on the web over two years ago and bookmarked all of them...if this is news for nerds, and it's just hitting slashdot now, I must be like a mega-nerd (now I am depressed).


I must admit, these are rather "tame" tables...compared to some of the more elabrated Java ones I have seen...Uh...Try a search engine ;-) I'm going to settle for my Periodic Table coffee mug, cause I can take it with me and I don't have a laptop with wireless... (what I really need is to find one of those places that sells "vi help" coffee mugs...I need another periodic table like I need a ___)

Stress test? (1)

red_dragon (1761) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014654)

I viewed both pages with NS4.05 under NT running on a P5/233, and they displayed almost instantly. Freshmeat is a much bigger load for the browser than that table.

Same here (1)

marcus (1916) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014655)

Running on slackware 3.0+(sort of, lots of updates since 3.0 was installed)...Netscape 4.05 cruises right along. No problems on the periodic tables(all fast and clean), no problems with /. or FM either. Plays on-line realtime java games just fine(try battlefield at bonus.com). The usual method for browsing /. is to open-link-in-new-window with center button click and read on from there. Some threads and branches and replies produce dozens of windows. It all works fast and proper with no problems at all.

I must admit that it flunks the layout test at the mozilla site, but it doesn't crash.

Uptime record 132 days was recently halted for hardware re-arrangement :-( I use this box to build online database applications using apache/perl/mod-perl/mysql/postgresql/jdbc and the online shopping package called minivend. It also functions as email server for my family so it's not exactly just sitting there idle all day either.

slashdotted already??? (1)

Rendus (2430) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014656)

Both sites are fine on my end.

Yep, Slashdotted already! (1)

Ken Broadfoot (3675) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014657)

I could not get it either...

Looking forward to it though.

forget that... (1)

Ken Broadfoot (3675) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014658)

That is a nice site!

8th grade project no less?



Uhm, that site's not so complex (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014659)

The HTML is perfectly fine - there's a fair amount of data there, sure, but no big deal. This is, of course, in contract to the HTML spit out by Slashdot, which I'm betting isn't even valid HTML. I can't tell, of course, because the thing is formatted so badly I can't even read it. :(

web design (1)

dumptruck (5401) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014660)

lucent: "setting the standard in web design"

thats some standard that they got going there

isn;t lucent a different company?

hmm (1)

QueenFrag (5694) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014661)

as did HotJava1.1.5, with blackdown's jdk1.1.7v1a

Weird coincidence (1)

Nemesys (6004) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014662)

I had just been memorising Tom Lehrer's chemical elements song [caton.org] when this story came up!

ok, answer THIS! (1)

CtrlAltDel (6073) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014663)

that site came up juuuuust fine under ns4.5

yet freshmeat crashes me CONSTANTLY...figure *THAT* one out!

Periodic table with more *pow* and *zap* (1)

soward (6325) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014664)

It may not give your browser the same workload, but if you're into this chemical sort of geekdom, check out:

http://www.uky.edu/~holler/periodic/periodic.htm l

christ (1)

malus (6786) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014665)

i dumped the source into hs4, it puked... tables rule.

not that i like m$, but... (1)

pen (7191) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014666)

being very bored, i once tried a simple test. i made a little html file with 10 layers of nested tables. netscape took about a minute to load it, and stopped at 7 layers. ie loaded it in a few seconds and loaded all 10 layers correctly. surprisingly, as far as i remember, opera performed quite well.

ironically, i also like ie better when reading slashdot, since netscape stubbornly forgets to save the place i leave a page at, so i keep having to scroll down. for everything else, netscape is better tho.

---

Looks fine with KFM (1)

Midnight Coder (8953) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014667)

KFM from KDE 1.1 works fine.

I am becoming more and more convinced there is no point replacing it with Gecko.

Anyone tried KFM III?

Speaking of web browsers and tests and such... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014668)

Dear AC:

Gecko IS a BFD. It's the biggest BFD to hit the Web since the original Mosaic. You see all those little standards thingies at w3c.org? Well, Gecko supports all of them, and it's only a friggin' alpha.

BTW, your remark "It takes getting sold to AOL..." is WAAAAYYYY offbase. Gecko was standards-compliant before the sale was even a gleam in Steve Case's eye.

If you had any idea of what the hell you were talking about, you wouldn't be posting FUD as an AC, now would ya?

Didn't think so.

Zontar

(somewhere in tenn.)

Plays some sour notes w/ Opera tho' (1)

Grell (9450) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014669)

Might look good to Netscape (which the page said I was using.. not :) But that little beauty sure reams Opera a new one when you scroll around on the page.

Anyone else notice how the Opera browser seems to have problems w/ images?


~Grell

For those of you without hope, we have rooms with color TV, cable and air conditioning.

I wish to start no flame wars (1)

Mooset (9986) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014670)

But, I just thought that I would point out that Internet Explorer 4.72.3110 under Windows 98 handles this test quickly and flawlessly, while Netscape 4.07 under XFree 3.3.2 and Linux 2.2.1 creeps along forever and produces barely passing results...

*Crawling into the flame proof suit...

A third table... (1)

afniv (10789) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014671)

Here's a thrid periodic table at:
http://ww w.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/web-elements/nofr-key/perio dic-table.html [shef.ac.uk]

This site includes MUCH information on electron configuration, physical properties, history, and much more. What's interesting are the humorous cartoons and .au files to educate the correct pronounciation of the element name.


~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
"We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"

That's mostly Javascript, (1)

Axe (11122) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014672)

...not HTML - it is not the same, is it? (sorry, I am rather dumb in this area)

reading in user agent (1)

jonbrewer (11894) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014674)

It is just a stupid javascript that can't tell what your browser is. Kind of like reading in user agent with a cgi. Maybe you are reporting something other than 4.5.

you are so right. (1)

jonbrewer (11894) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014675)

IE 4.0 is a great browser.

I do a lot of my work (Intranet) with CSS now, and Netscape never fails to piss me off with its miserable non-compliance to standards that have been around since 1996. Especially in how it renders tables, and forgets inherited properties. Yuck.

loading time (1)

Space (13455) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014676)

I tried netscape 4.5 and mozilla in Win32 and neither choaked on the page. Loaded in about the same time.

forget that... (1)

Artemis (14122) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014677)

I have to say I do like chemicalelements.com's table more, but both are still useful tools.

My site contains 100% GPL'd source code :)

Torture??? (1)

Compuser (14899) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014678)

This page, AFAICT, contained a puny javascript
and an HTML table. What's so difficult to render?

Looks fine without JavaScript (1)

crow (16139) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014679)

It looks just fine with Netscape 3.04 with Java Script turned off. With Netscape 2.02, I expect it would look funny as that doesn't support background colors for tables or cells.

JavaScript: More evil than Microsoft

What's the big deal? (1)

Straker Skunk (16970) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014680)

This thing loaded up in less than a second. Scrolls smooth and nice too. This is stress?

(for Netscape 4.08, anyway. BTW, that is some pretty nifty-looking HTML)

IMO, if you really want to load down a browser, go to freshmeat. I love how NS chokes up for ~5 seconds "thinking" over the page. Or better yet, load up any page (dern if I could remember one now) that has a multi-column full-width table with 500+ rows. Use your thumbwheel, too. Doth I hear a hard drive page? :-)

forget that... (1)

lucifel (16990) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014681)

not to be a prick but that was orginially linked above... at least on mine...

Torture... I think so... Oops. Html formatting (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014682)

If I tried to do this in raw html, I would say there would be six cells in each elemental cell...
AAB
AAC
DDDDDD
EEEEEE

And outside each cell are blank border cells...
ABBBBBBC
DE
DE
DE
FGGGGGGH
In order to create the outlines...
Not to mention the legend, groups, captions, and the rare earths...
It is a very convoluted, but relatively pure, html.
If they had a frame on the right, they could have forgone the javascript entirely, as well as included some more info(like valency, radioactivity, reactivity, etc...)
AS

forget that... (1)

kneel (17810) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014683)

There's a much better periodic table, chemicalelements.com [chemicalelements.com] , that my good buddy Yinon created. Check it out.

but.. (1)

kneel (17810) | more than 15 years ago | (#2014684)

I believe Yinon was only sixteen...

So there...

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