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Pay Attention To .Au/.Us IP Trade Law

Hemos posted about 10 years ago | from the pay-attention-NOW dept.

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Rusty Russell writes "The recent US-Australia "Free" Trade Agreement Chapter 17 (IP) locks Australia into our existing DMCA-style laws and extends them further: banning "access control" circumvention, extending copyright, guaranteeing penalties greater than actual damages for deliberate copyright infringement, committing us to recognising patents "whether a product or process, in all fields of technology", etc. Linux Australia has produced a draft position paper (rough HTML here), has a how to help page, and started a petition. Please help! " Rusty's a great guy - he's got some good links on his own page, but please take the time to do what you can - if you are a Australian, take the time to *physically* write your MP. Floods of post are what will create action.

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GNAA: The truth and nothing but the truth. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876646)

GNAA claims responsibility for Momfuck virus.
By Horatio Brunswick

New York, NY - GNAA (Gay Nigger Association of America) The GNAA today claimed responsibility for the release of the devastating trojan Momfuck.1o1, which has caused an estimated 486 billion dollars US in lost productivity and unread penis enlargement offers.

In a drastic escalation of their widely criticized christmas island bombing campaign which has killed thousands of defenceless CI natives, the GNAA made vague threats last week in a "first post" on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website. In the post (not published here due to profanity and ascii nudity) the GNAA threatened the "Destruction of all internet" if net martyr http://www.goatse.cx was not immediately reinstated. Initally dismissed by self proclaimed security experts Cowboykneel and Linux Toreballs as a childish lark, the world was totally unprepared for the storm to come.

Momfuck.lol exploits three vulnerabilities within Linux's UPnP implementation: a remotely exploitable buffer overflow that allows an attacker gain SYSTEM level access to any default installation of Linux, a Denial of Service (DoS) attack, and a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. Within hours of release, every backbone in the country had become infected with the virus, bringing the internet to a crashing halt. The DHS announced an orange alert when the virus spread to even such such remote non-countries as Canada and England, becomming a worldwide computer epidemic. The sequence of events that followed was devastating. ATMs in several states began routing funds from caucasian bank accounts into a GNAA controlled cayman islands account. Traffic lights in all major metropolitan areas malfunctioned, displaying pink rather than the standard red yellow and green configuration, causing unprecedented accidents and traffic delays. Radio stations ceased transmitting their standard programming and began a round the clock broadcast of a bootleg of the Village People's "YMCA" which was altered to "GNAA." Perhaps most horrifyingly, The FOX network's LOL sunday programming lineup was interrupted, and replaced by a graphic video of two men having anal sex, backed by the lyrics "Boom I got your boyfriend".


The FBI has fallen under heavy criticism for their failure to respond to the threat of the GNAA. The general public seems uwilling to accept their claims that the post was below their current threshold. The FBI's top cyber-security unit warned consumers and corporations Friday night to take new steps beyond those recommended by SCO Corp. to protect against hackers who might try to attack major flaws discovered in the newest version of Linux software, or to get a life, faggots. FBI Department head John Asscrotch is expected to resign in disgrace shortly.

What follows is a transcript of an actual internet relay chat conversation, with two individuals who seem to have been infected by momfuck.lol. It is my hope that this will help computer users to recognize and avoid the virus if encountered.


* Now talking in #eurotekken
* Topic is 'http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.p hp?s=&postid=1527925#post1527925 : everyone give your 0.00c'
* Set by SirCane on Tue Apr 06 15:57:26
<l0de> "Mom, I can't sleep would you mind if I get in bed with you?
<l0de> I have virus!
<l0de> She was wearing a baby doll semi-see through nightie, and was embarrassed to let me in bed with her.
<subt-L> haha.. this is a fucking crazy virus..
<l0de> I can't type this fast!
<l0de> However she remembered how I had let her sleep with me when she needed to.
<l0de> Oh my god.
<l0de> "Sure John, it's a big bed," she said in an uncertain tone.
<l0de> "Mom, would you mind if I snuggle a little with you.
<l0de> I just feel kind of sad tonight, I need you close to me."
<l0de> I said; without waiting for an answer I pulled her tight against me.
<l0de> I kept grinding my crotch into her ass trying to get comfortable.
<Exygone> LOL, random flag in between
<l0de> My hands crept up to her breasts and began playing with them, lazily at first.
<Exygone> too good
<l0de> "John... JOHN what are you doing?
<l0de> This is giving me such a headache! I have to go to school in 3 hours and my term paper is not saved!
<subt-L> this is fucking insane..
<l0de> Stop that and go to sleep."
<subt-L> haha
<l0de> But I could not stop.
<neoKEN> jewish hacker. ho ho ho
<l0de> I pulled her nightie up and wet my finger.
<l0de> I then stuck it into her slightly moist pussy.
<l0de> "John listen to me, stop right now.
<l0de> This has to stop.
<neoKEN> go into command prompt
<l0de> You are my son, and we can't do this.
<Exygone> there it is again
<l0de> Please John don't do this to me."
<Exygone> hahaha
<neoKEN> type NETSTAT -o
<subt-L> don't click on irc links..
<l0de> I did stop then and sat up next to her.
<l0de> I pulled her into my lap and cupped her breasts in my hands while licking her ear.
<l0de> "Susan honey, we need to talk, we need to finish this.
<l0de> I told you a long time ago that I love you, that I need you.
<subt-L> good lesson to learn.
<l0de> I want to possess you utterly.
<l0de> I want you to give me your body, to make love to me.
<l0de> I have a tape mom.
<neoKEN> it will show u all the connection on your computer
<l0de> A tape of you raping me.
<l0de> I could blackmail you, send you to jail.
<l0de> neoken- I will never click another link again
<l0de> But that does not get me what I want.
<l0de> I don't just want you on Christmas, I don't want stolen kisses, or the occasional snuggle.
<neoKEN> save that in notepad.
<l0de> I want you to want me.
<l0de> To be hot and wild and passionate, and completely in love with me.
<l0de> I want to have the right to grab you and fuck you anytime I want, just like dad did.
<neoKEN> u will find your hacker :P
<l0de> I want to wake up to find you sucking on my cock just because you feel like it.
<l0de> Mom can you honestly say you don't want that too?
<l0de> Oh my god. NEoken, I hit start menu but it's not popping up!
<l0de> Can you honestly say that you can bear to have me walk out of your life forever?
<l0de> Because that is what I would have to do.
<c0m> so umm why doesnt someone kick dis do0d
<l0de> You are the woman I love, the only woman I have ever made love to.
<l0de> If I can't have you, I will have to go.
<l0de> All buttons on quicklaunch don't work
<l0de> If I am near you, I have to fuck you.
<l0de> It is as simple as that," I said as I wrote my name on her breasts with my finger.
<l0de> She was crying now, and I could smell her juices beginning to boil and drip out her pussy.
<insanelee> whoever bans this guy
<insanelee> i'm gonna ban you
<neoKEN> c0m: some people enjoy reading it. lol
<l0de> She laid back against my chest and I wrapped her in my arms.
<Exygone> c0m - because insanelee is reading the story
<subt-L> he
<l0de> "I don't want to lose you, I, I know that you are more than just a son to me.
<l0de> I am so scared though.
<l0de> Wanting you this way is wrong.
<l0de> I am your mother.
<l0de> I should not let you play with my tits, I should not want you to lick my pussy, or need you to fuck my ass but for some sick reason I do.
<l0de> I know I can't allow you to fuck me, I can't let you put that big slab of cock-meat inside me.
<l0de> If I do that, there is no turning back, you will own me.
<l0de> thank u insanelee
<insanelee> i like the panic in lodes voice/msgs also
<l0de> I will become addicted to your dick.
<l0de> Oh god, what am I going to do.
<subt-L> this is sick... i think i want people to get this virus.
<Exygone> looool
<l0de> I love you John, but it is still wrong!"
<l0de> We laid that way for a long time, just holding on to each other.
<neoKEN> doesn't matter to me. i don't read #eurotekken chatlog. am not a tekken bum. lol
<l0de> My hard on was peeking up between her thighs.
<l0de> Finally I came up with a solution.
<l0de> "Mom I understand that our relationship is not normal, but it is not WRONG either.
<l0de> Making love to you could never be wrong.
<l0de> I love you and I want to show you how much.
<l0de> Susan, it's Christmas.
<l0de> Let me have you this one time.
<l0de> Make love to me, be greedy, teach me how to please you.
<insanelee> why are you thankikng me
<l0de> Make me fuck you right.
<l0de> We owe it to ourselves to try it at least once.
<l0de> You are All I want for Christmas, all I have ever wanted."
<insanelee> you are just an investment
<Exygone> lol
<insanelee> i need your stories
<l0de> Susan was quiet for a few seconds and then she slowly nodded her head.
<Exygone> an asset
<l0de> Her hands were trembling as she smiled up at me and said yes.
<l0de> I was so happy, that I crushed her against me and said over and over, "I love you baby, I am going to be so good to you, I love you mom," while kissing and hugging her.
<Exygone> in lee's masterplan
<l0de> insane- if I get banned I may never get help
<l0de> Our kisses slowly began to deepen, she was on top of me straddling my waist.
<insanelee> lol
<l0de> Her breasts were brushing against my chest and my cock was laying against her ass.
<subt-L> is it repeating? or is it still going original?
<l0de> I was licking her lips, sucking on them when her pretty, pink little tongue flicked out to meet mine.
<l0de> I sucked her into my mouth and we both let out a little sigh of happiness.
<l0de> jesus, how can I launch command prompt?
<l0de> Susan began crawling down my stomach, stopping briefly to lick my belly button clean.
<l0de> Then she began playing with my cock, rubbing it against her face, eyes, nose, sniffing and then licking and sucking it into her mouth.
<l0de> It was amazing to watch.
<l0de> My mother was overcome by a wave of pure dick-lust as she began to swallow my cock.
<insanelee> ask neoKEN
<l0de> I don't know how big my dad's cock was, but he must have been my size or bigger, cuz my mom swallowed my fat 8 incher like an old pro.
<l0de> She kept looking me right in the eye, with this wicked little grin on her face, daring me to fuck her properly.
<insanelee> i am just readin
<l0de> I did.
<subt-L> dick-lust!
<l0de> I began to ram it down her throat, we established a good rhythm.
<subt-L> hahaha
<l0de> She breathed through her nose and every 20 seconds or so I would pull out and let her lick and massage my knob (and breathe), before plunging back in.
<Exygone> lmao
<l0de> "Cum on my face baby, cum all over your mother's face," she said between slurps, and squeezes and soft, slow, sucks.
<l0de> I could not help it, she was sucking the sperm right out of me.
<l0de> I grabbed Susan's head and pulled it tight against my crotch.
<neoKEN> i don't know any other shortcuts to the command prompt other than the start menu
<l0de> I held her in place as I powerfucked her throat.
<neoKEN> ask M$
<l0de> Precum was bubbling out of me and I could hear it gurgling in her mouth.
<l0de> My balls were twitching and jerking hard now and I felt the sperm swimming their way to the head of my cock.
<l0de> "You want my sperm mom, you want some stinky-sticky?
<l0de> Take it you beautiful little slut, take your son's cum!"
<l0de> I bellowed as I shot the first load down her throat.
<insanelee> this is sick
<l0de> I remembered that she wanted some on her face too; so I pulled out and pressed my spurting cock against her nostril and shot it up her nose.
<neoKEN> comamnd prompt should be an emergency shortcut
<l0de> I had one or two dribbles left so I placed my cock on each of her eyelids and let er rip.
<l0de> Mom was a little surprised...
<c0m> this is gay\
<l0de> but she did not complain.
<l0de> I don't know if I can explain how sexy my mom looked.
<insanelee> 'cum all over your mothers face'
<l0de> My cum was in her belly, a little drop was hanging from the corner of her mouth.
<l0de> Her nose was dripping my cum, and her eyes were crusting over with it.
<l0de> (Guys try it with your girlfriend tonight, it is fucking amazing!)
<l0de> I wanted to rest for a few minutes, but I could not.
<insanelee> com shut up he needs help
<l0de> neoken- yeah, Itried ctrl alt delete but it doesn't work!
<l0de> My mom was obviously very horny and it would not have been polite to leave her hanging.
<l0de> We switched positions and I settled in for a long, slow lick.
<l0de> I may not have a lot of experience in some aspects of sex.
<l0de> Technically I am still a virgin, I guess, since mom has never let me fuck her pussy.
* c0m sets mode: +m
<c0m> yep
<subt-L> oh,,
<subt-L> ouch...
<subt-L> ...
<insanelee> ay
<insanelee> AY
<c0m> ok
<neoKEN> then he cums on her face. THE END
<c0m> lol
<Exygone> Lol
<insanelee> he stopped
<subt-L> haha
<subt-L> story time is over.
<insanelee> what the hell is this
* l0de is now known as helpplz
<insanelee> WHAT HAPPEN TO MY STORIES
<c0m> im sorry it was pretty annoying
* helpplz is now known as l0de
<subt-L> l0de didn't even get kicked.
<insanelee> yea
<insanelee> it just stopped
<insanelee> you didn't even kick him dummy
<neoKEN> sadly i haven't read anything this well written in a long time. lol
* c0m is not a dummy
* insanelee sets mode: -bb l0de!*l0de@
<neoKEN> heh, i need to read some books.
<Exygone> this guy is funny
<insanelee> bring him baaaaaaaaaaaaack
<insanelee> i want my stories
<neoKEN> exy: hahahhaha
<subt-L> that was pretty hilarious.
<insanelee> it was all a joke
<insanelee> damn it guys
<insanelee> why ruin a good thing
<c0m> its fucking annoying
* l0de is now known as cantchat
* cantchat is now known as halp
<insanelee> com
<Exygone> ;p;
<Exygone> lol
* halp is now known as l0de
<insanelee> then get the fuck out
<insanelee> pfft
<c0m> stfu bronson you get the fuck out
<c0m> you never come here
<Exygone> WHAAAAAAAAAAAT
* insanelee sets mode: +b *!*c0m@
<c0m> anyway
<Exygone> lol
* c0m was kicked by insanelee (i'm elitist)
Disconnected
* Attempting to rejoin channel #eurotekken
* Rejoined channel #eurotekken
* Topic is 'http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.p hp?s=&postid=1527925#post1527925 : everyone give your 0.00c'
* Set by SirCane!SirCane@
<l0de> Yhbt yhl
<c0m> well i could care either way
<l0de> HAND
<l0de> (^o^)b
/part


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Take our laws... we don't want 'em. (5, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#8876659)

Wait a second, the ??AA organziations are letting Austrailia copy our copyright laws? Make them write their own... :)

{OT} DNS A Records Problems (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876761)

OK, I've got this really weird problem with DNS. I have an A record pointing to a server with ip (example) 192.168.23.9.

Now everything works fine but for some REALLY WEIRD REASON every few days for a few hours, the IP the record resolves to will REVERSE the octets, so it will resolve to 9.23.168.192. Then a few hours later after my local DNS server updates it will be back to normal.

My authenticating DNS servers are running BIND on NetBSD and they are properly configured. Is this something fucking up on my nameservers or is this a problem with my ISP (I use Verizon DSL for my home access but the namerservers for my domains are located in a datacenter). Any ideas?

Re:{OT} DNS A Records Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876823)

Use MSN?

Re:Take our laws... we don't want 'em. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876976)

RMS likes cum stained panties.

and in return - we give you ... neighbours (2, Funny)

iconnor (131903) | about 10 years ago | (#8877085)

Seems like free trade - crappy laws for crappy tv.

http://www.oxygen.com/neighbours/?slot=nav

What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876671)

*raises fist in air and shakes it*

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (1)

mabinogi (74033) | about 10 years ago | (#8876737)

Who are you talking about?

Australia, or the USA?

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876766)

It should be obvious. Australia used to be a penal
colony. The states simply consists of the rejects
from the other countries of the world.

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876822)

Thanks for clearing that up. Should have been obvious he meant the US...

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877104)

U.S. founders were British outlaws, too.

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876780)

Oh yeah? They think they're so tough. C'mere a minute.

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876783)

You c'mere a minute!

Re:What do you expect from a bunch of ex-cons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876790)

Oh yeah?

wow. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876677)

DMCA-style laws are getting out of control. Next thing you know, they'll be having the death penalty for breaking copyright laws.

It's technology, stupid (5, Interesting)

haxeh (766837) | about 10 years ago | (#8876682)

When are people going to realize you can't legislate away a technical problem? (assuming you think IP infringement is a problem, i guess)

Re:It's technology, stupid (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#8876724)

When are people going to realize you can't legislate away a technical problem? (assuming you think IP infringement is a problem, i guess)

It's security-by-legislation. They know that unbreakable encryption doesn't exist, it's only a matter of time before it gets blown. However, at least this will slow the process of breaking it by trying to scare away people who don't want to go to jail...

Just about as effective as security-by-obscurity.

Re:It's technology, stupid (2, Interesting)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 years ago | (#8876850)

Just about as effective as security-by-obscurity.

Which is actually is pretty effective.

Re:It's technology, stupid (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876944)

Security-by-Obscurity works...
I'm just not going to tell you how!

Re:It's technology, stupid (1)

Kindaian (577374) | about 10 years ago | (#8876991)

Worse... if it's trivially broken then isn't encryption anymore but just an encoding/obfuscation.

Re:It's technology, stupid (5, Insightful)

bersl2 (689221) | about 10 years ago | (#8876754)

actually, it's trying to legislate away a social "problem."

legislating away a technical problem is like Congress passing a law which would prohibit a motor vehicle from travelling the speed of light. which makes no sense.

a technical problem is when you run into a dead end within a given system, and you must change the system to achieve the desired results.

Re:It's technology, stupid (3, Funny)

titzandkunt (623280) | about 10 years ago | (#8877101)


"...legislating away a technical problem is like Congress passing a law which would prohibit a motor vehicle from travelling the speed of light. which makes no sense...."

It's not down to congress, it's down to the states, and they've all got legislation in place to limit the unladen & laden weight of vehicles.

All vehicles travelling at c or near c (>0.01c) will be far too heavy to be allowed on the public roads.

T&K.

Copyright has gotten out of control (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876690)

The original intent of copyright (in the US anyway, not sure about Australia) was for it to be a means to encourage creativity for the public's sake, not simply to make publishers rich. It seems the contemporary goals of the "intellectual property" regime do a complete 180 in relation to what these laws were originally intended to encourage.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876736)

Exactly. When the public realizes - which already seems to be the growing case - that the freedom to make copies of published information is to their benefit, the laws start to look antequated. If the public speaks on this issue and decides that they'd be better off with that freedom then IP laws need serious reform since they no longer server their intended function.

Perhaps copyright in its current form has worn out its welcome in the digital age.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (1)

westlake (615356) | about 10 years ago | (#8876995)

at the moment the public may have other things on their mind. their sons and daughters in Iraq, to begin. the issues that excite Slashdot can be meaningless to those who never read these pages.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (4, Insightful)

VirexEye (572399) | about 10 years ago | (#8876836)

The original intent of copyright (in the US anyway, not sure about Australia) was for it to be a means to encourage creativity for the public's sake, not simply to make publishers rich.

Actually it was to encourage creativity by allowing the creators (working with/through the publishers) to become rich. Why would someone spend large amounts of time creating something without guarentee that, if successful, would put food on their table and not someone elses?

Sure some of the big publishers today are evil but you have to keep in mind it was always about the money.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (5, Insightful)

achurch (201270) | about 10 years ago | (#8876890)

Actually it was to encourage creativity by allowing the creators (working with/through the publishers) to become rich.

That's exactly what the parent was saying--"not simply to make publishers rich". I don't think anyone will argue that the reason for the monopoly was to generate income for the author/publisher (well, arguments can be made about which one should get the income, but that's a different issue). The point is that the income was not intended as the final goal of copyright, but merely as a means to an end, that end being "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". I think it's pretty clear that that goal has for all intents and purposes disappeared from modern copyright law.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (5, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about 10 years ago | (#8876903)

Bullshit, read the constitution again, it clearly states

" To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

It says nothing about profits, it says that in exchange for promoting these things which we feel are valuable to society we will allow you to have controll of your works for a limited time.

Copyright has gotten out of control-Control THIS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876994)

"It says nothing about profits, it says that in exchange for promoting these things which we feel are valuable to society we will allow you to have controll of your works for a limited time."

But people who create already have control of their works. For a demonstration, simply have the creators stop creating. What's a society going to do? Roll over them with tanks?

Besides that's "societies" position, not the creators position. Haven't you ever heard that there's two sides to every issue?

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (1)

VirexEye (572399) | about 10 years ago | (#8877003)

And what other reasons are there for exclusive rights other than personal gains of the creator?

It is detremental to society to limit the distribution of progress in every way except by which it encourages inventors.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877091)

what are you stupid afidel just pointed out why you are wrong.

Its not directly about personal gains for the creator, but encouraging people to creater, to invent. Its is not about money!

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (2, Insightful)

Linux-based-robots (660980) | about 10 years ago | (#8876923)

The problem is, now it simply makes publishers rich. It doesn't seem to help the public overall, in fact it seems to hurt it. Alas, the economic argument for copyright probably won't be settled for a while, but I can think of several ways to encourage creativity while not resorting to these draconian measures. In the case of software, for instance, why not put a tax on all hardware sold in the country to fund software development? That way, the public's freedoms aren't restricted, and we are guaranteed funds to help in the creation of more software. It may not be necessary to require people to pay much at all - they may very well start doing it on their own accord. After all, tipping at restaurants is voluntary, but most people do it. Who says, for instance, that you couldn't fund music that way? If you had a p2p program that had a button when you were downloading songs that said "click here to give one dollar to the author," wouldn't you click it? Maybe you'd decide to give them two dollars, which is more than musicians get from a single CD sale. In any case, it's clear that copyright in its current form is increasingly becoming a thorn in the side of society and needs to be addressed. Freedom and creativity should be given a chance to coexist peacefully together.

Re:Copyright has gotten out of control (1)

Kris_J (10111) | about 10 years ago | (#8876966)

Actually it was to encourage creativity by allowing the creators (working with/through the publishers) to become rich. Why would someone spend large amounts of time creating something without guarentee that, if successful, would put food on their table and not someone elses?
Of course, no one ever created anything before copyright laws.

Alternative (-1, Troll)

illuminata (668963) | about 10 years ago | (#8876694)

Rusty's a great guy - he's got some good links on his own page, but please take the time to do what you can - if you are a Australian, take the time to *physically* write your MP. Floods of post are what will create action.

Or, you could keep this site strictly a news site and not a political action site, Hemos.

Seriously, if I wanted indymedia.org, I'd go there.

Re:Alternative (5, Insightful)

zaphod8829 (754076) | about 10 years ago | (#8876738)

Strictly a news site? You new here?

Seriously, though, I think that a lot of Slashdot readers hold politics close to their hearts, and therefore would like to hear about this.

Also, since I love picking nits, the post simply says you should write your MP. It does not specify what you should say. Feel free to write in support of whichever side tickles your fancy.

Re:Alternative (2)

rdsmith4 (767227) | about 10 years ago | (#8876750)

Pooh. You'd be truly hard pressed to find a news organization which does not push its own politics, and Slashdot certainly does have (somewhat unconventional) politics. True impartiality is not to be found in the news these days, and I for one, since I know where I stand on issues without the help of CNN or FOXNews or NPR or WSJ, don't mind it much.

Re:Alternative (4, Insightful)

toasted_calamari (670180) | about 10 years ago | (#8876753)

As I look at this screen, I see the tagline "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.

this may not be news, but it is information that is of use to Nerds, and given how many people here use technology that might not play well with these new IP laws, i think this certainly matters.

Personally, I have always thought of slashdot as a tech/political site.

Re:Alternative (3, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#8876789)

What, you didn't hear about the new slogan? "Slashdot. Political action for nerds. Stuff that makes a difference."

I just wanna know if Taco's going to endorce Bush or Kerry this year...

Hey, we could be part of outsourcing! (3, Funny)

JNighthawk (769575) | about 10 years ago | (#8876697)

Hey Aussies. Let's move to India. There we could be paid decent wages for tech jobs, not be afraid of losing our jobs and even you hippies can be vegetarians without being ostracizes!

No can do! (4, Funny)

rdsmith4 (767227) | about 10 years ago | (#8876719)

take the time to *physically* write your MP

Too assertive for the slashdot crowd! We'd much rather comment about it in the comfort of our big cushy computer chairs.

Re:No can do! (1)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#8876773)

We'd much rather comment about it in the comfort of our big cushy computer chairs.

Just print the letter instead of e-mailing it...

Re:No can do! (2, Interesting)

EverDense (575518) | about 10 years ago | (#8876879)

Speak for yourself!

I wrote to my local MP about this back in November.

He passed my letter to the Attourney General, got a reply to my specific queries and sent me back the reply.

Re:No can do! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876927)

Since you refuse to fit the slashdot stereotype your Slashdot account is officially canceled. Please return all nerd & nerd-like supplies to CmdrTaco or Hemos.

Re:No can do! (1)

iminplaya (723125) | about 10 years ago | (#8877097)

...got a reply to my specific queries and sent me back the reply.

The suspense is killing me. Care to post?

Right. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876727)

Whiny commie fucks.

Write to my MP (2, Interesting)

Artega VH (739847) | about 10 years ago | (#8876742)

My federal minister happens to be John Howard (the current prime minister and bush lap-dog) so somehow I don't know if he'll be totally receptive to my letter...

Re:Write to my MP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876791)

Write anyway! Howard has been caving on all sorts of issues recently. If Mark Latham gets all keen about it Howard will fold no worries.

Re:Write to my MP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877041)

John Howard touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his hearse and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told John Howard the city would not approve of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free.

it doesn't help at all that John Howard has been spun out after touching everyone's junk. he can hardly see straight after touching Peter's diseased junk. how is he possibly going to explain this to the city when he doesnt help the next person in distress? they'll make him drop trou in front of the whole city again. there it is. the mayor just called and asked why John Howard hasn't responded. he has to go.

Young Man !! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876760)

Its fun to yell at the D..M..C..A..
Its fun to yell at the D..M..C..A..

>> Floods of post are what will create action.

It's fun to spam your Mmmm of Peeee ...

Re:Young Man !! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876946)

Its fun to be in the G. N. A. A.
Its fun to be in the G. N. A. A.

You can get a good feel, of something real.

USA (4, Funny)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 10 years ago | (#8876786)

G'Day mate, how ya goin'!
I'm from the USA. The United States of Australia, that is!

Re:USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876958)

(Score:-1, Dumbass trying to be funny)

Re:USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877036)

(Score:-1, Overused commentary style)

Yes, I know that this will quickly be followed by:
(Score:-1, Hypocritical)

And she said, (5, Funny)

Himring (646324) | about 10 years ago | (#8876787)

Do you code from a land down under? Where the DMCA grow's and makes plunder?

/duck
/dodge
/hide

Re:And she said, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876810)

"Can I buy some pot from you?" -- Brian

The black helicopters in Australia… (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876795)

...have tiny American flags on them.

first the us...then au (2, Interesting)

Rodrin (729362) | about 10 years ago | (#8876798)

What is next? All of europe? The world seems to be heading this way..can we stop it?

Re:first the us...then au (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876839)

What is next? All of europe? The world seems to be heading this way..can we stop it?

Yes, by doing what the url for your homepage says.

Re:first the us...then au (1)

noelo (661375) | about 10 years ago | (#8877004)

I don't think that Europe will follow exactly as they are just as when united they are just as powerful as the USA economically anyway. The FTA is seen by the press here in Australia as a bit of a joke as the US got most of the consessions without giving many to Australia

A small grammar note (1, Informative)

B.D.Mills (18626) | about 10 years ago | (#8876828)

if you are a Australian, take the time to *physically* write your MP

Must we get black marker pens and write "your MP" all over bus shelters, park benches, toilet cubicles and any other surface that presents itself? I don't see how inciting vandalism is going to solve the problem.

Unless, of course, you mean "write to your MP", which is the correct form of this expression in Australian grammar.

HAHAHA THE PENAL COLONY GETS WHAT IT DESERVES (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876833)



Bareback in the outback,
with Steve Erwin jackin', jackin'.

Should be Govenor Howard (1, Flamebait)

Slotty (562298) | about 10 years ago | (#8876835)

Firstly John howard needs to make our federal state become part of the union so he can not look like such a tool when he kisses GW's ass Secondly this whole IP thing has been around since the "free" trade agreement which is really just a relax all tarrifs on the US imports and open the crappy markets that no one uses anyway for Australia. My MP never seems to respond to my letters I think it's time to spread some propaganda like this free trade agreement means American companies can sue us millions for thinking up something that was our own idea but they put a patent on it. Watch the outcry then. All I need to do is mention evil US corporations and the public will go nuts. Better still I'll release it in mainly middle eastern populous areas they'll go bonkers. Or maybe university students they have a whinge about everything.

Write to your MP here (5, Informative)

IronBlade (60118) | about 10 years ago | (#8876840)

Here's the listing of Australian Members of Parliament:
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/mplist.htm [aph.gov.au]

Write a snailmail letter (don't email) to your local member [aec.gov.au] and protest this junk!

Re:Write to your MP here (3, Informative)

thirdofnine (702646) | about 10 years ago | (#8876939)

Actually, I have written e-mails to minsters on several occations, and always gotten a snail mail reply (they are not allowed to reply via e-mail).

E-Mail is just as valid as snail mail when sent a MP.

I urge you all to send e-mail, snail mail, black mail ;-). The more of us that protest about this, the more likley someone will listen.

BTW, if we can get Latham to say that he will remove the law if he is elected, Howard will again try to steel the limelight, and revoke the law before the up and comming federal election.

He has done with with everything else Latham has promised.

Third of Nine

Re:Write to your MP here (4, Informative)

mister_tim (653773) | about 10 years ago | (#8877071)

I don't know about all MPs, but Government Minister's pay the same attention to emails as to snail mail letters. Some will reply by email, some will reply by snail mail (if you include your address).

However, the same attention, in this context, means that they generally forward it to the Minister responsible for that matter or, if they are the Minister responsible, they get their Department to answer it - or their political staff if it's a purely political matter (as opposed to a policy issue).

However, it still pays to write sometimes. If there's enough opposition from enough sources, it can make an imapct. Even better than writing letters would be to get the story picked up in various newspapers. Sadly enough, politicians are more worried about negative press on the front page of the Australian or the SMH than they are about negative comments in any number of letters sent to them.

Let me be the first American to say: (4, Funny)

Atario (673917) | about 10 years ago | (#8876843)

We're truly sorry.

Let me be the first Australian to say... (0, Flamebait)

arch_helmet (682800) | about 10 years ago | (#8876920)

We're truly sorry.
...you damn well oughta be. ;-)

What's that you say? We should be free-thinking and make our own laws??

I imagine our politicians would say we do, but their heads are too buried up Dubya's @#$% for them to say anything...

You Aussies, with your koalas and kangaroos (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876860)

think you're above ... er, below the law.

Shag all this hooey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876883)

What this country needs is someBODY [netscape.com]

Go Jesse! Screw the Demmicans and the Republocrats!

quite unfortunate (5, Insightful)

eclectro (227083) | about 10 years ago | (#8876886)


This really shows the "snowball" effect that copyright has become.

Europe expanded the length of copyrights because of suspension during WWII(however they weren't suspended in the US!). Then US copyright law was "expanded" to "bring it in line" with european law. Now Australia is doing the same thing to "bring it in line" with US law.

The next logical step is for some other country to "expand" their copyright law to "be in line" with Australian law. Then the US will undoubtedly follow suit.

Citizens do not see how this is hurting them, but it does. Everything from more expensive videos to a cultural "lockdown" preventing new creative works based on the old ones.

Expect Disney to start lobbying for another copyright extension in a couple of years to protect Mickey. And we know how US lawmakers love to listen to the corporation.

The _only_ way this is going to change if it becomes _very_ politically expensive to expand copyright law.

With the war in Iraq, terrorism, and many people being left behind in this so-called recovery, health care worries, budget deficits, copyright law is at the bottom of people's list.

(Fireman_sam @ work) - A message to Australians (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876891)

As can be seen in the news, the current Australian government is not a government that has any policies of their own. They take policies from the opposition that only weeks before shouted down as "unaustralian" and "racist".

Please, I urge you. Do not vote for the Liberal/National party. john howard is a manipulative control freak who will eventually turn the country against itself and the world.

For example:
The republic.
Australia wanted a republic, john howard did not. Under pressure from the opposition and public a referendum (sp?) was held. To ensure that john howard's monarchy remained he forced the public to choose between no republic and his version of a republic which would see the government electing the president.
Polls after the referendum showed that the majority of the public wanted a republic, but voted against it because of the model that was on offer.

(You can have your dinner, or ice cream. But I have shit all over the ice cream. What do you want?)

In the next election vote ~liberal.

Re:(Fireman_sam @ work) - A message to Australians (1)

Doogzee (765929) | about 10 years ago | (#8876919)

Yeah they didn't have a very good system in place that would have picked the next president (something along the lines of the politicians get to choose). I'll be writing my MP. I don't think I'm going to be an Australia much longer.

Re:(Fireman_sam @ work) - A message to Australians (1)

camzacid (734051) | about 10 years ago | (#8876960)

The huge Sugar loby wont let this FTA get through sorry to say i have more faith with them then me writing a leter.

Tasmania and Sen Brian Haradine (2, Informative)

CypherOz (570528) | about 10 years ago | (#8876918)

Tasmania (a state of .au) has Senator Brian Haradine. Haradine has pushed for Govt subsidised Internet in the economically depressed town of Launceton in Tasmania with the provision that the ADSL roll out in that area have content filtering. Haradine's justification is the "protection of children from pornography", which of itself is a good thing - his implementraion method has huge free speach implications. This is how .au politicians think - they need some tech education. Any of these type of laws, no matter how well intended, reduce our basic freedoms. The FTA has many benefits for both .au and .us; but some of the bagage like the DMCA are really really bad and driven by very commercial interests.

Re:Tasmania and Sen Brian Haradine (2, Insightful)

joe90 (48497) | about 10 years ago | (#8877096)

This is how .au politicians think - they need some tech education


The problem is not one of technical ineptitude or ignorance. It's the standard "think of the children" defence when imnposing otherwise politically sensitive restrictions on behaviour.

Far better to investigate if the Senator (or his family) has any financial interest in, or has recieved any gifts from technology companies involved in the roll-out, or whether or not the Senator has affiliations to fringe religious organisations, or what the Senators past behaviour has been in any way related the supression of human rights.

International Treaties supplanting local laws (4, Insightful)

Ugmo (36922) | about 10 years ago | (#8876924)

There seems to be a method of extending government/coporate control over IP that is taking place.

Country A passes laws that would never be passed in Country B (or countries A,B,C & D try to pass extreme laws and some succeed and some fail). Then country B signs a treaty with country A requiring them to go along with country A's stupid laws. Now A & B are both operating under the most restictive laws from each.

Examples:
The US extended copyright in order to bring US copyright in line with European copyright. Now Australia gets the DMCA in order to be more like the US.

It seems that if a coporation can't tie up IP by bribing local legislatures they just bribe foreign ones. Once they get a satisfactory result in a foreign country they push for a trade treaty so the end result is the same. It is rare that one of these treaties reduces IP protection to the lowest common denominator. They almost always raise it to the more restrictive level.

Re:International Treaties supplanting local laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877035)

Global capitalisms a bitch and then ya die.

What more can I say?

To paraphrase a somewhat overused quote... (4, Insightful)

Z0mb1eman (629653) | about 10 years ago | (#8876961)

First they came for the crackers
and I did not speak out - because I was not a cracker.

Then they came for the hackers
and I did not speak out - because I was not a hackers.

Then they came for the file sharers
and I did not speak out - because I was not a file sharer.

Then they came for me -
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

Feel free to flame about the difference between hackers and crackers, which is even more off-topic than this post...

Deja vu? (3, Insightful)

wiresquire (457486) | about 10 years ago | (#8876970)

Seems like the US is abusing their 'monopoly' to force a 'vendor' to accept terms that are 'lock in'.

Can Australia sue the US for antitrust violation?

goayt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8876975)

have their moments paper towels, 800 mhz machine Decltined in market

The decline of American civilization continues (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877009)

I wonder what the history books a hundred years from now will say about the long destroyed Western Society. Oh, that's right: nothing. Everything about our culture will have been locked in a vault somewhere under perpetual copyright with a death penalty for "circumventing" the lock.

Why not write your US Senators too? (2, Interesting)

grvsmth (247601) | about 10 years ago | (#8877037)

Just because the Bush administration pushed it, and expects the Senate to ratify it, doesn't mean that it's automatic. We can at least show them they don't have as much support as they thought. I'm going to write to Hillary Clinton, that shining beacon of truth in the face of corporate, um... Well, I'm going to write to Chuck Schumer, that dashing defender of the... Aw, who am I kidding?

so... are we already fucked up? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877054)

Here in Chile, a FTA is now in effect with the US [ustr.gov] (I don't have a link to the actual text, this is only a draft).

So that means that we are fucked up, and we can do nothing about it, right?

-copyright: life + 70
-encourage that circunvention of access control be criminally punished.
-recognize patents to anything, whether a product or process, in all fields of technology.

:(

Free Trade = Double Speak (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877076)

Just another example of how 'free trade' is really doublespeak. Free Trade only increases freedom for the powerful elite, and further oppresses the powerless masses.

Why don't any petition signatures get displayed? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877079)

I'm sure it's some obvious thing like having to install flash or load an activeX control, but why do the buttons that should display the signatures simply redisplay the same page? This is not mentioned in the petitiononline FAQ.

DON'T write to your senators. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8877098)

Don't any of you fools get it? All the senators are owned by the corporations pushing this sort of nonsense. It doesn't matter whether they are left/right republican/democrat. The corporations own the government, they own the mainstream media, they own the influence over the masses. The only solution is grassroots outreach, and maybe oneday a second American revolution to overturn this corporate monster.
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