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MS Hires The Salesman Who Won Munich For SUSE

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the incentive-plan dept.

Microsoft 422

ron_ivi writes "In a move reminiscent of the 1997 MSFT/Borland Lawsuits, Microsoft has hired the SUSE sales guy who won Munich for SUSE. So if you want a job in this tough job market, just be wildly successful at your current job and Microsoft will come recruit you. (Another interesting Microsoft hire is the chair of the ISO C++ standards body as their VisualC++.NET architect.) Personally I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well."

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it's war (5, Insightful)

jacquesm (154384) | about 10 years ago | (#8928975)

Yes, it's war, and microsoft is not above recruiting the enemy's best lieutenants.

Re:it's war (5, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 10 years ago | (#8928997)

We call that corporate raiding when not referring to 'war' and it is a quite old and hated practice (at least when your offices are raided). Say all the ill you want about MS for doing this, but they are doing what any company would do, hiring the best people they can to do the job!

Re:it's war (4, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | about 10 years ago | (#8929173)

Say all the ill you want about MS for doing this, but they are doing what any company would do, hiring the best people they can to do the job!

End snip, now to read between the lines...

Is it hiring the best people for the job or is it removing the worst enemy from active duty?

Someone who is honest and displays a fair comparison between products may not be your best recruit for the job of promoting spin.

Re:it's war (5, Insightful)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | about 10 years ago | (#8929245)

An AC said it best. He is a sales man afterall.
honest and displays a fair comparison between products

When does any sales person do the above. He is out to make his companies product look better than any other, thats what SuSE paid him to do and thats what Microsoft will pay him to do. I love SuSE, it's been the only distro I use for years but even I can;t say anything bad about this or put this guy up for any honesty award.

Re:it's war (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929262)

MS is not just getting a good employee, they are also getting insider knowledge, and possibly returning payment for favours already done. If they had of been highering from gov then they might just have been investigated.

Re:it's war (4, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#8929056)

Of course, it doesn't help that your girlfriend/wife is really a secret spy for Microsoft, and the agent who offered you an alternative was really an early warning system to have you bumped off. It gets even worse when they start killing your best friend Open Source programmers! What has this world come to!?

Side note: After we saw AntiTrust, my wife kept trying to convince me that she really *wasn't* a spy for Microsoft. Seems the movie hit a little too close to home. :-)

Smart move unfortunately (0)

spineboy (22918) | about 10 years ago | (#8929211)

This is a smart move by micro$oft - they've hired a guy who knows all the weaknesses of Linux He can tell his prospective clients all the advantages that the micro$oft products have over the Linux version of it.

Linux is great, but there are definitely weak spots in ANY piece of software, open or closed source. This is a hurt for SUSE.

Re:Smart move unfortunately (1, Insightful)

PurdueGraphicsMan (722107) | about 10 years ago | (#8929383)

I know that I'm sacrificing my Karma to do this, but I just can't stand it any longer...

Not once, but TWICE you wrote micro$oft... You can't tell me that you didn't feel like a boob while you were typing that. When are people going to learn that it's not funny and it's not cool. Yes, Microsoft has a lot of money, we get it.

Re:it's war (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929378)

I can't believe SUSE doesn't make their employees sign non-compete contracts. Don't most companies nowadays?

The moral of the story (5, Funny)

Morganth (137341) | about 10 years ago | (#8928981)

Don't be successful.

Re:The moral of the story (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#8929342)

How is that the moral of the story?

Dude showed himself to be a hell of a salesman, and a big corp took notice, and came and offered him a metric assload of cash to come work for them.

I'm a Republican! (A poem) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8928983)

Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'

See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

If I get caught screwin'
Or tellin' wicked lies
"Hypocrisy!" I holler
And that justifies the crimes

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears!

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

Re:I'm a Republican! (A poem) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929039)

I've always enjoyed the last part of this song, the rhyme scheme makes it pretty singable with a good rhythm. Anyway, keep it up :)

Hm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8928988)

Third post. This is albern.

Re:Hm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929152)

Shut up, Kraut!

I heard Linus made a counter-offer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8928992)

Of $0, but he opted to go with Microsoft anyway.

Is Linux doing well in Munich? (5, Interesting)

jaf (121858) | about 10 years ago | (#8928993)

Anyone know if they're happy with Linux in Munich?

Good question (1)

tweakt (325224) | about 10 years ago | (#8929081)

"...and he understands the huge difficulties that the open-source community has had in delivering on the Munich contract," Governor said.

That's just a bit speculative, isn't it? Who says they're having any difficulties? I think Microsoft was the one who had the difficulties here, having lost the contract and all.

This is classic Microsoft. Can't beat 'em? Buy 'em!

Re:Good question (4, Insightful)

cowbutt (21077) | about 10 years ago | (#8929159)

...and besides, it would not be the "open-source community" that is having difficulties delivering - it would be SuSE. The buck stops with them and any of their partners who signed the contract.


Re:Is Linux doing well in Munich? (2, Informative)

kikta (200092) | about 10 years ago | (#8929386)

Well, according to this [slashdot.org], there have been a few problems. The story that it points to is mostly Ballmer gloating, though.

IIRC, the problems are mostly what you would expect from a massive platform migration like this and things have been steadily improving. The Register [theregister.co.uk] points out that a lot of the problems stem from small vendors who don't know enough about OSS to port their software.

How long before (5, Funny)

john_sheu (755802) | about 10 years ago | (#8928995)

they hire Linus as head Longhorn coder?

Re:How long before (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929013)

What?! And put all the antivirus companies out of business witha secure os?

Makes Sense (3, Insightful)

Stormcrow309 (590240) | about 10 years ago | (#8929002)

Microsoft is well known for their great hiring practices. I know quite a few of thier employees and they all are some of the best in the fields they specialise in. MS is pretty good at weeding out the chaff.

Re:Makes Sense (5, Interesting)

Kainaw (676073) | about 10 years ago | (#8929195)

Microsoft is well known for their great hiring practices. I think you mean hiring choices. When I interviewed through their hiring practices, I went through two phone interviews and then an in-person interview on a golf course (I don't play golf, but the two interviewers do). I was told that I would be considered if I agreed to quit college and to never attempt to get a degree. I stuck it out, got a degree, and now I'm making about $30k less a year than if I had went with Microsoft. I feel that I learned a lot in those last two years of college - a lot more than I learned in the first two. A hiring practice that asks college students to quit school just seems like a bad practice to me.

In Sales (3, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | about 10 years ago | (#8929005)

In sales it's all about making the money. I bet M$ will pay him better then anyone else has the ability to. Not a bad deal for him.

Re:In Sales (4, Insightful)

wintermind (160780) | about 10 years ago | (#8929120)

Commissions are based in large part on the size of the market into which you are selling your product. The opportunity to earn large commissions is far greater for a salesman working for Microsoft than one working for SuSE. We as a community may not like that, but ultimately the only way to change that is to put our money where our mouths are.

Good job offers (4, Interesting)

DrWhizBang (5333) | about 10 years ago | (#8929006)

I wonder how many good job offers MS has floated by Linus?

Re:Good job offers (2, Insightful)

osewa77 (603622) | about 10 years ago | (#8929201)

There are no job offer NDAs; so Microsoft wouldn't offer Linus a job they were not pretty sure he would take. It would be a PR nightmare. Besides, it's pretty clear, thanks to the GPL, that the only thing Linus can do for Microsoft is to stop working on Linux... sure as hell he won't

Re:Good job offers (2, Insightful)

kalidasa (577403) | about 10 years ago | (#8929264)

IANAL, but I believe that anything Linus himself has written (unless it is work for hire) he can fork on a different license at whim - he just can't revoke the GPL on code already released under it.

Re:Good job offers (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#8929207)

Probably none. I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but Linus doesn't *care* about Microsoft or taking over the world. He just wants to hack his kernel. If Microsoft removed him from the process, the Linux community would have to reorganize. In the process of reorganizing, they'll probably make several decisions that will make Linux more competitive in the marketplace (e.g. allow binary kernel modules).

I have nothing against Linus, but he makes decisions for Linux primarily based on the idea that it's a "hacker's OS". Givin Linux's rising popularity, anything that makes it more market focused is a bad thing for M$.

Re:Good job offers (1)

phoxix (161744) | about 10 years ago | (#8929299)

I wonder how many good job offers MS has floated by Linus?

Probably none actually. Reason is being they have a great fear of the GPL. If in the event any of their code has any GPL code, they would have to GPL the whole thing. In this day and age, Linus is pretty much married to the GPL. So it would be unpossible for MSFT to even contemplate hiring him.

Sunny Dubey

We've got this great lead for you... (5, Funny)

binbag (772915) | about 10 years ago | (#8929018)

His boss: OK, you're on probation until you get this first sale. There's this council in Munich...

Reducing the threat? (3, Insightful)

motorsabbath (243336) | about 10 years ago | (#8929021)

Personally I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well.

Or did they hire him to make him less of a threat?

Re:Reducing the threat? (1)

jallen02 (124384) | about 10 years ago | (#8929210)

Whatever, I bet the sales guy is financially secure from here out after a few years at the beast. Do your time there, walk out with some cash! :)

Integrity or not having to worry about money for the rest of your life? Especially when your a sales person anyway! If it were an influential Linux developer like Linux, or Alan cox, I would raise an eyebrow or two.


BORG! (1, Insightful)

3terrabyte (693824) | about 10 years ago | (#8929022)

...Personally I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well."

Are you kidding?
Am I the only one that sees this as buying out the competition? Let's see, some guy successfully beat us at selling a competitive O/S. Let's hire him so that never happens again. And some guy is making the world better by furthering a standard. Let's hire him so that our C++ becomes the only stardard the world must follow.

Re:BORG! (2, Insightful)

noelmarkham (714160) | about 10 years ago | (#8929123)

That's not why they're doing it. They have hired him because he has proved he is good at what he does. Microsoft know that having him on their 'side' will bring in more revenue, which is the aim of most businesses, isn't it?

Re:BORG! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929164)

You're right, they should hire nothing but losers in the future.

By the way, you forgot the 'M$ is teh ghay' in your post.

Re:BORG! (4, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 10 years ago | (#8929218)

You have no idea how business works do you? You don't buy a competitor who is/has beating/beaten you to destroy them, you buy them in order to use their assets/skills/tech/etc for your own purposes. Only a fool destroys their betters! If you knew anything about business you would know it is in your best interest to hire the best people you can, yes, they might be a threat, they could destroy you from the inside and leave you hanging... but that is far better then the alternative of hiring your inferiors and being safe and secure, firm in the knowledge that they can never harm you and take your job/company/business/etc.

Re:BORG! (2, Informative)

JimStoner (93831) | about 10 years ago | (#8929292)

"Am I the only one that sees this as buying out the competition?"

I am sure other people will share your view. However that doesnt make your view correct (or incorrect :D ).

For example, I can easily rewrite your comment...

"Let's see, some guy successfully beat us at selling a competitive O/S. Let's hire him so that never happens again." ...in this way...

"Let's see, some guy successfully beat us at selling a competitive O/S. Lets hire him to sell our O/S." ...and I think it is an equally valid possibility.

Same goes for...

"Let's hire him so that our C++ becomes the only stardard the world must follow." ...becoming...

"Let's hire him to make our C++ standards compliant."

Finally, as one more thought - none of these options are mutually exclusive anyway. My guess is that the truth consists of a little of each.

Re:BORG! (4, Interesting)

macrom (537566) | about 10 years ago | (#8929334)

First off, Herb Sutter joined MS over 2 years ago [microsoft.com]. He freely admitted that people would think weird of him to join such a company, but Visual Studio .NET's C++ conformance has greatly increased to the point of almost leading the industry. The current C++ compiler is missing a few esoteric language features and the 'export' keyword, but otherwise it compiles complex C++ just fine. This is a massive improvment over their previous offerings and is no doubt attributable to Mr. Sutter's involvement.

So your statement is completely misguided, and I assume that you aren't a C++ programmer that uses MS tools. Otherwise you would laud their efforts to bring the development community a solid (and partially free) tool [microsoft.com] for use under Windows.

Re:BORG! (4, Interesting)

Zathrus (232140) | about 10 years ago | (#8929365)

Am I the only one that sees this as buying out the competition?

Which is a long held tradition in the business world. With the caveat that you cannot always do it -- there's that irritating little bit about freedom of choice. If someone doesn't want to sell their business to you (or, more particularly in this case) work for you, they don't have to.

And some guy is making the world better by furthering a standard. Let's hire him so that our C++ becomes the only stardard the world must follow.

Of course, the reality here is that VC++ was close to rock bottom when it came to meeting the ISO C++ standards (particularly in regards to the STL). Since Herb Sutter was hired by MS they have drastically improved compatibility with the standard, both in the compiler and in their STL. I don't think they're the most compliant, but they're a damn sight better than a lot of other compilers, GNU g++ included.

As for changing the standard for MS's benefit -- by merely stating that it proves that you have absolutely no clue how the ISO committees work, particularly when it comes to languages.

Oh, and in case you're wondering -- no, I don't use MS VC++. I code in Unix with g++. But I'm not a clueless moron.

Re:BORG! (1)

NineNine (235196) | about 10 years ago | (#8929380)

OK, first off, the whole "making the world better" is bullshit. It's a product, that's it. He's not saving the world by ending hunger or curing cancer. He's selling a product.

Secondly, EVERY business does this. A business is only as good as its employees, and every business (including my own) hires the best people, regardless of who they are or what they've done in the past. If I can hire a good person away from a competitor, even better.

Re:BORG! (1)

stochastix (714973) | about 10 years ago | (#8929387)

Let's hire him so that our C++ becomes the only stardard the world must follow

Isn't it more likely that : "Lets hire him so that our C++ becomes more compliant with the standard that most of the world wants to follow? And hopefully we stop getting bashed up on /."

...Personally I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well.
Are you kidding?
Given MS' history your point does seem (partially) valid. But it is still true that they have an eye for the best in the field. Look at Microsoft Research for example. People like Laszlo Lovasz [microsoft.com] work in the theory group... that's really something!
And the world does not come to an end when a smart guy joins the company paying the most money. Otherwise we would have had a handful of companies ruling the world today with all the smart people gathered under their roofs.

Reminded of... (5, Funny)

PeteDotNu (689884) | about 10 years ago | (#8929024)

Bill Gates: "Buy him out, boys."

Re:Reminded of... (2, Funny)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about 10 years ago | (#8929275)

GATES: Your Internet ad was brought to my attention, but I can't figure out what, if anything, CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet does, so rather than risk competing with you, I've decided simply to buy you out.

HOMER: This is it Marge. I've poured my heart and soul into this business and now it's finally paying off. (covering his mouth) We're rich! Richer than astronauts.

MARGE: Homer quiet. Acquire the deal.

HOMER: (to Gates) I reluctantly accept your proposal!

GATES: Well everyone always does. Buy 'em out, boys!

(gates' posse trash homer's office)

HOMER: Hey, what the hell's going on!

GATES: Oh, I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!

Re:Reminded of... (0)

jeffy124 (453342) | about 10 years ago | (#8929354)

one of the oddest things in that episode was how Comic Book Guy sees an ad for InternetKing (IIRC, with a pic of Homer) in one scene, but a later scene shows Homer reading a book saying "ooh! they have the internet on computers now!"

silly question - is there a FlanCrest Enterprises out there?

Hey I am wildly successful at my current job (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929030)

of cleaning toilets...maybe Bill will hire me to clean his executive toilets?

Be wildly successful (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929038)

So if you want a job in this tough job market, just be wildly successful at your current job...

Thanks for turning the obvious into yet another anti-MS rant. Perhaps you should go into the inspirational poster business.

Yeah, so (4, Insightful)

UrgleHoth (50415) | about 10 years ago | (#8929045)

Why not hire those you think are best if you can afford them? And I'm not seeing these people being conscripted.

Wow (3, Funny)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | about 10 years ago | (#8929049)

I managed to convert my friend to use Mozilla last week , after persistent efforts of 2 years.

Can I expect an appointment letter ?

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929287)

You nag a guy to switch browsers for TWO YEARS and he's still your friend? Fuck, you nag me for a week and I'd punch you in the balls.

Re:Wow (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | about 10 years ago | (#8929373)

Well actually it was the other way round.

He used to bitch about problems with IE all the time, and my continuous reply was "Use mozilla"..finally one day I had enough, and I punched him in the nuts, that's when he saw the light. (or stars )

C++ chair i think is old news (5, Informative)

kzeddy (529579) | about 10 years ago | (#8929057)

If its Herb Sutter you are talking about, he's been with microsoft for awhile now. He's posted a few articles on msdn about C++ on things like conformance and feature improvements to VS.net

Integrity (3, Insightful)

Espectr0 (577637) | about 10 years ago | (#8929059)

So people trusted this guy to switch 10k machines to linux. Now, how will people look at his face when he is promoting windows OVER linux? Seems there isn't such thing as integrity.

Re:Integrity (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929111)

Seems there isn't such thing as integrity.

You do realize we're talking about sales here, right?

Re:Integrity (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 10 years ago | (#8929246)

Seriously. Grandparent post needs to differentiate between business and theology.
Where is that Godfather quote about not hating the enemy?

Re:Integrity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929333)

"Dun hate tha playah, hate tha game, bitch"?

Re:Integrity (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | about 10 years ago | (#8929185)

Linux Zealots who think that one application is the best in every situation really aren't helping things :(

Ease of use requires one interface, windows offers that, situations which require ease of use require windows.

Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

Never trust a man who gets paid on commission... (4, Insightful)

spiritraveller (641174) | about 10 years ago | (#8929271)

Do you honestly believe he was working for SUSE because of the wonderful greatness that is Linux and the Open Source community?

Sales is about selling... it has precious little to do with making the world a better place.

Re:Integrity (1)

earlytime (15364) | about 10 years ago | (#8929345)

I don't think sales is a profession of convictions. You go out and sell the products your company offers. I think every purchasing manager understands that.

Jus because this guy is now selling a competing product isn't going to make his (rational) sales contacts think he's a "traitor".

One thing that always gets me is that so many folks think linux is about beating MS. As Linus has espressed many times, Linux is about linux. MS sucks independent of Linux, it's a convenient coincidence.

Think about this, if MS got radically better, would Linux become irrelevant or unnecessary?

Juxtaposition of Headlines (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | about 10 years ago | (#8929062)

Funny how, just after this:
Your Rights Online: Few Takers For Microsoft's Settlement Cash
we see this:
MS Hires The Salesman Who Won Munich For SUSE
Guess they found one taker for Microsoft cash after all :-)

This Makes News on Slashdot??!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929080)

Wow..Microsoft hires somebody and it's splashed as a front page story?

Don't you people have better things to focus on, like Linux for example?

What's the deal with all the constant navel-gazing at the Microsoft?

Slashdot really needs to grow up and move beyond this obsession if they ever want to more than just a joke.

Re:This Makes News on Slashdot??!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929125)

move beyond this obsession if they ever want to more than just a joke.

/. may or may not be a joke, but you're still reading it.

I think it's great too... (0, Troll)

LilMikey (615759) | about 10 years ago | (#8929083)

I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well.

... and steal their souls. The Nazis hired some talented individuals as well. Speaking of which, I'm looking for a talented aluminum engineer to build a better protective cap... anyone?

Re:I think it's great too... (-1, Offtopic)

Karem Lore (649920) | about 10 years ago | (#8929258)

I wonder what your definition of "hire" is when you talk about the Nazi. I don't think that the Nazi's "hired" anyone in my definition of the word "hired."

Karem Lore

Re:I think it's great too... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929280)

Use tin, not aluminum.

To bad for him (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929095)

Now he has a much harder job, selling crappy Microsoft software.

"Recognize" talent? (3, Funny)

mr_luc (413048) | about 10 years ago | (#8929104)

Microsoft actually does have a pretty good hiring process, if a little brutal. But a lot of people are saying things like "well, at least somebody recognizes that exceptional people are worth it" -- I don't think that these examples are exactly displaying that. Microsoft has been hiring relatively exceptional people for a long time now; the only difference is that these people already have multinational acclaim in their profession.

Just thought I'd point that out -- this is a good move and everything, but hiring people that are already well-known in their field is neither A) necessarily good news for those of you stumping for MS jobs, or B) particularly cost-effective for Microsoft.

On a side note, the REAL message that this is sending to professionals around the world is this: Hurt Microsoft And Get Hired. Whether a lawyer, programmer, politician or standards' body member -- I encourage all exceptional individuals to put all of their skill towards the destruction of Microsoft. They like it! Really!

Just another example... (1)

boy_afraid (234774) | about 10 years ago | (#8929105)

Of how Microsoft plays the "divide and conquer" to win. If Microsoft can't win, it will just buy the comptetition.

Personal business model (1, Redundant)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | about 10 years ago | (#8929115)

1.Get a job that takes money away from X Corp.
2.Do a good job at it.
4.Get hired by X Corp.

Oh boy. (1)

Quill_28 (553921) | about 10 years ago | (#8929118)

"Personally I think it's great that they recognize talented individuals and reward them well."

Oh yeah, that's going to go great around here...

Bill Gate's biggest flaw (3, Insightful)

composer777 (175489) | about 10 years ago | (#8929126)

isn't that he won't eventually give it all away or do some good, I believe him when he says that he will. However, people like Gates and those that run Microsoft have very little faith in people. Their arrogance is hard to beat. Even for such wildly successful people as those new hires, I wouldn't doubt for a second that they are getting a mere fraction of what Microsoft makes off them. Why would a proposed philanthropist such as Gates withhold all that cash, even from their "wildly successful" new hires? I think the answer is simple, he doesn't have faith in people to do the right thing with that money. This is of course if we take Gates at his word when he says he wants to help people with that money. While Bill Gates may eventually give talented people a chance, the damage he has done to the system by hoarding all that cash and unfairly eliminating competition far outweighs the benefits that will happen when he does give it away.

How ironic. (1)

Tower Laid Waste (772679) | about 10 years ago | (#8929136)

Hired by the very company he fought so hard against.

Well, I wish him luck in his new career. Business is business, even if it's Microsoft. Maybe someday he'll see the light and write a tell-all expose about Microsoft's "competitive" business practices.


Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929137)

Successfull person hired for something. Details at 11.

Linux better gain market dominance soon (2, Insightful)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | about 10 years ago | (#8929138)

Or else Msoft will get their sh!# together and there will be no reason to ever switch.

tough job market? (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#8929147)

slightly OT, but there's so much grumbling on slashdot about not enough jobs for IT people...

I remember reading somewhere that there was a high demand for IT guys in the automotive industry... lemme google...

ah, there it is

New Cars getting too expensive to fix [csmonitor.com]

The interesting paragraphs are near the bottom:

"There's no shortage of general technicians, but there is a big shortage of qualified people to work on drivability and emissions issues," says Robert Rodriguez of Automotive Service Excellence. The Leesburg, Va., organization certifies repair shops and technicians.

These specialist technicians need advanced reading, problem-solving, and basic electronics skills, he says. "The best people to find are those who have worked in the IT [information technology] industry," he says.

Re:tough job market? (2, Interesting)

manganese4 (726568) | about 10 years ago | (#8929288)

These specialist technicians need advanced reading, problem-solving, and basic electronics skills.

Or they could hire anyone who has acquired a BS in chemistry, physics or engineering. These disciplines all train individuals to solve complex problems and to do it in a quantitative, reproducible and most importantly reportable manner. Not to call in question the problem solving skills of IT workers but hypothesis testing is not something typically encouraged in the IT world (or at least not by the managers whose only concern is padding their budgets)

Re:tough job market? (2, Insightful)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#8929339)

add to the fact that cars are already packed with electronics, a computer and complex software, and maybe it's time to send resumes to big car companies as well.

Re:tough job market? (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | about 10 years ago | (#8929304)

yeah, I saw that and thought about it for a few moments. There are definately times when I hate dealing with IT nonsense.

Yoo hoo, I'm back! (3, Funny)

malia8888 (646496) | about 10 years ago | (#8929183)

My father was a salesman. Watching him has given me a love for a well closed sale. From the article: Microsoft has hired one of its worst enemies, the SuSE Linux salesman whose efforts led the city of Munich to adopt Linux and open-source software instead of Microsoft's products.

I think it would be amusing if this same salesmen, KarlAigner, can go back to the City of Munich and win them back to Microsoft products. That would be salesmanship!! :P

money is ultimate (1)

buht (738798) | about 10 years ago | (#8929191)

well this shows that money can buy anything.

too bad we cant "keep" all these people that do extremely well to beef up Linux more or any opposing M$ OS. Imagine the rivalry if M$ didnt use money to buy anything.

Ah, the good old days (5, Funny)

RobertB-DC (622190) | about 10 years ago | (#8929192)

From the C|Net article [com.com], dateline May 7, 1997:

Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop."

Ah, the good old days. Million-dollar signing bonuses. Limos for job prospects. Corvettes for hot programmers fresh out of college. Penthouse suites with the company logo in genuine Italian marble [gamespy.com].

Why did it ever have to end?

Oh, wait, don't answer that...

It's Going To Be Funny... (2, Funny)

John_Booty (149925) | about 10 years ago | (#8929249)

...next time that guy shows up in Munich on a sales call.

"Okay, you know all that stuff I told you? Nevermind. I've got something better, now... hey! Put down the pitchforks! Aiiiiieeee!"

An Offer He Couldn't Refuse (1, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | about 10 years ago | (#8929253)

What hasn't Microsoft bought?

"Competitors", "regulators", "reviewers", EU fines, settlements with Sun, Minnesota, AOL-Netscape, Apple bailout, etc. It's all just the cost of doing business as a monopoly.

The marketplace is still working, just not in the way we might have hoped or imagined.

Ssshhhhh (-1, Offtopic)

nealfunkbass (701961) | about 10 years ago | (#8929260)

Don't tell anyone, but this guy is actually a rogue/spy, and he has a 24d6 sneak attack, which will come in handy just after the meet and greet get's going.

The Darkside (2, Funny)

pavon (30274) | about 10 years ago | (#8929286)

Yeah, It's just like when Darth Vader tried to get Luke to join him. After Luke had destroyed the first Death Star, Vader and Palpatine realized what a great asset he could be. They offered him the chance of a lifetime, just wanted to reward him for his good work, and what did the whiny brat do? Goes and kills them both and destroys the empire's last change of survival. He ruined the livelyhoods of millions of innocent emperial employees, not to mention the thousands he murdered, just for some hippy idealism. If only he had been more grateful like these two guys, maybe the world could have been a better place.

Microsoft shill revealed (4, Insightful)

amightywind (691887) | about 10 years ago | (#8929305)

Herb Sutter mentions planned C++/.Net CLR extensions being discussed for later inclusion in the C++ standard in last months C/C++ Journal. (Sorry, there is no link on their site yet.) I thought it odd that the chairman of such a standards board would mention M$ proprietary software so favorably. Then I saw that he works for M$ and understood perfectly. No conflicts of interest here. Enough to make you sick. I wonder what Stroustoup thinks of this. What next? A Microsoftie on Sun's Java steering committee perhaps?

This guy must be good. (1, Funny)

HungWeiLo (250320) | about 10 years ago | (#8929314)

He must have aced all the manhole size and obscure pointer deallocation questions!

Al Pacino as Bill Gates (2, Insightful)

HisMother (413313) | about 10 years ago | (#8929329)

Did you ever see the movie "The Devil's Advocate"? Same principle in operation here.

More /. FUD (2, Insightful)

m00nun1t (588082) | about 10 years ago | (#8929336)

"In a move reminiscent of the 1997 MSFT/Borland Lawsuits..."

This is *nothing* like the Borland lawsuit. Your own link says that's about hiring a large number of key staff thus draining the business.

This is about hiring one key person. Apart from hiring from a competitor (standard practice) there is no resemblance at all.

interesting (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929344)

Someone is good at his job and gets hired by someone. So that's the key!

Linux is in the nation-building phase (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8929355)

And the closer it gets to the turnover of sovereignty the more cars are going to explode.
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