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IT Workers Not Eligible for Overtime in New Rules

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the news-for-nerds dept.

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bjarvis354 writes "The San Diego Union Tribune is reporting that the Department of Labor Secretary Elaine Chao unveiled new rules that seem to specifically target IT workers and other white collar workers for exemption from overtime pay. The Oneonta Daily Star claims that 'According to new exemption tests, the employee isn't guaranteed overtime pay if primary duties involve office or non-manual work,' and 'Computer employees are not guaranteed overtime pay if they make $455 a week, or if their hourly rate is $27.63. Affected employees include computer systems analysts, programmers, software engineers or anyone with a similar title.'"

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I am eligible for forst porst (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930087)

MOOO!

Re:I am eligible for teh forst porst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930248)

That was good, baby. But... I gotta have more cowbell!

Well... (3, Interesting)

setzman (541053) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930090)

$455 a week=$1820 a month=$21840 per year.

If this figure isn't the take home pay amount, it looks like it would be a good idea (perhaps even a necessity) to get a second job. Ouch. Good luck to all you IT people.

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

elwell642 (754833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930145)

Does anybody else remember their professors telling them that a field in computer science would almost guarantee large paychecks and job security?

I'm starting to think that such comments were only guaranteeing the professors large paychecks and job security...

Bush administration (2, Insightful)

catphile (316499) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930211)

These right wing freaks are hostile to modernity itself. Overtime was progress 70 years ago, now they want to go back. They are extremists who must be stopped.

Re-elect him! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930295)

"These right wing freaks are hostile to modernity itself. Overtime was progress 70 years ago"

Right-wing freaks? No, this is a moderate idea. Overtime was not progress: it was fascism. The government should not meddle in such private affairs: it is not their business. Let the pay be for the real value of the work, not some arbitrary value set by Washington.

Actually, this story is WRONG (4, Informative)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930271)

I repeat, the overtime rules were reworked at the last minute!

The Bush administration on Tuesday pulled back from a planned overhaul of the nation's overtime rules, allowing more white-collar workers -- including those earning as much as $100,000 a year -- to continue collecting premium pay if they log more than 40 hours a week.

From The Oregonian [oregonlive.com]

Re:Actually, this story is WRONG (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930313)

There was, and still may, be a law that exempted some groups of workers from overtime pay. IT was, and may still be, in that group.

Re:Well... (3, Insightful)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930317)

This pretty much formalizes the situation that already exists. Also, in other countries there is a large trend towards a fixed monthly salary, instead of an hourly wage. That's a knife that cuts both ways though, it's pretty hard to get overtime paid under such an agreement, unless your employer specifically orders you to come in after hours.

This is new how? (5, Informative)

ajiva (156759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930093)

I don't see how this changes anything? Most IT workers never got overtime, of course we have very flexible schedules so its a good tradeoff I suppose.

Re:This is new how? (1)

XorNand (517466) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930193)


+4 Informative?

I'm guessing we have more coders than sys admins modding today.

Re:This is new how? (4, Interesting)

Jhon (241832) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930202)

This is true. I received overtime until last year when I got an "offer" to go salary. I cant complain, they took my previous years base pay + all the over time I made and added an additional $15k/year and asked if I would go salary for that. Thinking "Hell yes!", I said "Hmmm... sounds reasonable -- let me talk it over with my family". Took the offer, of course.

With a few exectpions, I can walk out on my job at the drop of a hat and pick up where I left off in the evening. Of course, there's the off 2am page/alert that has me up and at work -- or once I had to walk out of an amusement park and return to work -- but it's a fair trade, imho (and MINE is all that matters to me).

-jhon

Re:This is new how? (3, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930257)

The key thing is that you at least feel that your're getting a fair shake on the deal... no more accounting for OT in exchange for more money than you feel you would have gotten if the meter was running.

2am pages are acceptable if they're rare and they're about real issues. It's when there starts being too many of them that things get messy.

Re:This is new how? (1)

cookie_cutter (533841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930218)

The difference is that before this, the conditions you described were illegal

Re:This is new how? (1)

marcop (205587) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930221)

I think these rules apply to hourly employees. "Most IT workers" are salary and are exempt from overtime pay.

It's not new - for salary workers (4, Informative)

Slowtreme (701746) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930308)

Salaried, AKA Exempt Employees, are exempt from overtime pay. If you have a contract for $60K per year and no other stipulations you should not expect additional pay for working over 40hours per week.

Employees that are on an Hourly wage get paid hourly. This new law is saying that if your wage is over this $20 mark, you do not have a right to earn time and a half, but you will still get paid on your hourly wage. If you work 60 hours you get paid for 60, not 70 (40 + 20 + (20/2))

Companies are required to have no more than 50% staff on Exempt status (ratio may change from state to state)

If you don't get paid for something (4, Insightful)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930094)

Don't do it.

Re:If you don't get paid for something (1)

catherder_finleyd (322974) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930152)

Of course then, the managers will start displaying maps of India. For the same reason they displayed maps of Mexico in factories in the 1990's!

Re:If you don't get paid for something (-1, Troll)

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Re:If you don't get paid for something (5, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930186)

Don't do it.

if you "don't do it" as an individual, you'll get fired. however, if you "don't do it" as a group you'll have more power. if the entire i.t. staff decides to cease work until their is fair treatment, your chances of success is greater.

that's right: i'm talking union.

Re:If you don't get paid for something (0, Troll)

ParSalian (551093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930252)

NO not unions al unionsend up doing is exploting the employer. They should get together in a group but do not form a union UNION = 3v1l

Re:If you don't get paid for something (0, Flamebait)

SpaceCadetTrav (641261) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930265)

I'm sorry that your work as an individual is not valuable, but please do not bring the rest of us down with your union.

Re:If you don't get paid for something (1)

chefren (17219) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930274)

If you get fired because you won't do work that you wouldn't get paid for, sue. A strike is preferrable though, since that way nobody has to loose their jobs.

Re:If you don't get paid for something (1)

kill-9-0 (720338) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930198)

I'm sure with an attitude like this, you'll go far in business.

Really... (1)

Neuracnu Coyote (11764) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930228)

And people wonder why Indian outsourcing is getting so popular.

Overtime? (3, Interesting)

G27 Radio (78394) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930096)

You mean we were supposed to be getting overtime before? I don't ever remember getting paid overtime in the last ten years.

Re:Overtime? (1)

DR SoB (749180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930263)

Call your local lawyer and complain, I smell a lawsuit, if you can prove you've done x number of hours and haven't been paid for overtime, they would have to pay you MASSIVELY if it was over a 10 year period (and you were putting in more then 44 hours a week.. Well in Canada it's 44).

Re:Overtime? (1)

composer777 (175489) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930304)

That's right, and because we've failed to complain about this, that's the way it's going to stay. If we had organized and fought for our rights, we wouldn't be getting screwed like this. But, becuase we're letting our employers do all the lobbying through groups such as the ITAA, we're getting screwed for another 10 years. But, maybe if you're subservient enough and let them dock your pay some more, you'll be able to hang on for a while longer. And, before you go bashing the labor movement, just remember that the only reason you're getting paid as much as you are is because of the courage of others to risk life and limb to fight for their rights. Subservience has never won extra rights. We all benefit when a group goes on strike. Because of the connected nature of the market, all employees are lifted up when even a small group wins extra rights.

100k (5, Interesting)

thebra (707939) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930097)

Workers may still get overtime pay if they earn between $23,660 and $100,000 and work more than 40 hours per week.
I don't want to hear any complaints if your making over 100k a year. If your making less thank 23,660 a year I'm confused too.

Re: 100k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930139)

Right because if you are making over 100k you are less valuable to the company....sheesh.

Re: 100k (1)

Derkec (463377) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930291)

No, if you're making that much they are assuming that you have a strong decision making / leadership / management type role. Those sorts of positions do not qualify for overtime and haven't for quite some time.

Re: 100k (2, Informative)

Grant_Watson (312705) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930294)

"Workers may still get overtime pay if they earn between $23,660 and $100,000 and work more than 40 hours per week."
I don't want to hear any complaints if your making over 100k a year. If your making less thank 23,660 a year I'm confused too.


"According to new exemption tests, the employee isn't guaranteed overtime pay if primary duties involve office or non-manual work."

The people who have to make $100k are the people who aren't exempted.

So refuse (2, Insightful)

Wehesheit (555256) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930099)

The solution is to not work the overtime, companies with servers and work machines down will be suprisingly responsive to "bonuses".

Not news (4, Informative)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930106)

I could be wrong, but I was first in IT back in 1996, and this was the case back then (In NC). This is most definitely not news to me. I was in IT for almost 7 years, and I never got paid a dime of overtime (but the hourly rates I was getting paid were already obscene).

Video Game testing (2, Funny)

Rize (757409) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930108)

What about video game testing? That sounds white collar...

Huh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930110)

THis sucks!!f1&7 p0$7

wait just a second here (2, Funny)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930111)


You mean we were supposed to get overtime pay BEFORE they passed this law?

whew.. (4, Funny)

dogas (312359) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930114)

Boy, am I glad I don't make $27.63 an hour.

Re:whew.. (2, Funny)

Jackazz (572024) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930234)

I think you meant "Boy, am I glad I make $27. 64 an hour!"

Damn... (4, Informative)

Jin Wicked (317953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930115)

For all the difficulty and struggle that comes with it, it's a good time to be a contractor or self-employed.

They (some dept. in the govmn't) also put out a press-release type thing months ago instructing employers how to avoid overtime pay under general circumstances. Maybe someone could help me out and dig it up...

Your government, always fighting for the little guy instead of big business. Gotta love it.

Re:Damn... (1)

thebra (707939) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930164)

How does it help to be self-employed? This means you work extra hours for the same pay.

Re:Damn... (1)

Jin Wicked (317953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930255)

No it doesn't. If you're self-employed you get whatever you ask for your work. I work about 50-60 hours a week, but I also make things that eventually I'll get paid for when they sell. I'm not working extra hours that I don't get paid for at all, as you would in the case of an outside employer that gives you extra work then refuses to pay you for additional time.

If you're self-employed and do 8 hours work, you charge for 8 hours work. If you do 10, you charge for 10. If it takes you to 10 hours to do 8 hours of work, well, that's your fault. OTOH, if you finish 8 hours of work in 8 hours and an employer asks you to do two more unpaid hours of additional work -- that's unpaid overtime.

Also, when you're self-employed, you choose your hours and what you're willing to work for and how much you're willing to do it. It's a whole different beast from having to suck up to a demanding boss and do what's demanded of you or else be fired.

Of course, I'm a bigger hardass on myself than any employer ever was, but then, I'm just a lowly grunt not an IT worker, and I've always been paid for my overtime, on the rare occasions they let me have it.

more reason... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930117)

to hop on the boat to bangalore. Do they have flush toilets in india?

Flush toilets in Bangalor (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930170)

"to hop on the boat to bangalore. Do they have flush toilets in india?"

Yes. But you have to wait until they flush upstairs in order to get enough water to use in the flat below. By the time you get to the bottom floor in the apartment building, the only water you see is pretty dark.

Curry Shits... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930215)

I used to know this guy named Samir who would eat curry all day long and take these very aromatic curry shits. They didn't smell horribly bad...just odd, like rotting spices.

PHBs... (3, Insightful)

ItMustBeEsoteric (732632) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930121)

"Affected employees include computer systems analysts, programmers, software engineers or anyone with a similar title."

Admittedly, I didn't RTFA, but that statements just SCREAMS for pointy-hairs to change the job titles of the people who they don't want to have to pay for overtime.

Re:PHBs... (2, Interesting)

secolactico (519805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930266)

The title has nothing to do this. It's about white collar workers in general.

Oddly, it also includes funeral directors and embalmers.

WTF? (4, Funny)

MadBiologist (657155) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930123)

Why in God's name is slashdot quoting the Oneonta Daily Twinkle? I mean... my God.. can we get a smaller town paper to read for national tech news?

Can you tell that I lived in Oneonta for a while?

J

Re:WTF? (1)

Enry (630) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930237)

The best part of Oneonta is Brooks BBQ [brooksbbq.com] . And Pine Lake if you ever got a chance to stay out there.

/(now) wife and brother went to Hartwick (at different times!). Wife roomed at Pine Lake for 3 years.

Re:WTF? (1)

DR SoB (749180) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930312)

Well, on the bright side, I was getting kinda tired of /.ing people's DSL accounts, a "Daily newspaper" for a small town sounds kinda cool, maybe /. will even make the front page tomorrow! "Oneonta Daily Twinkle Taking down by rogue website!"

Outsource 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930125)

That does it. IT jobs suck. Let's outsource them all!

Don't you wish you were blue collar? (1, Interesting)

FFFish (7567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930127)

Seems to me that most blue-collar workers put down their tools at the end of the day and walk away from the work.

Seems to me that most blue-collar workers damn well do get paid for their overtime, and if the boss doesn't want to pony up the bucks, he can do the work himself.

Seems to me that most professional blue-collar workers, like plumbers and carpenters and such, make upwards of six-figure incomes.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Re:Don't you wish you were blue collar? (2, Insightful)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930178)

Seems to me that there's nothing stopping you from giving it a whirl. Nothing quite like being knee deep in a malfunctioning septic tank!

Re:Don't you wish you were blue collar? (0)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930203)

It should be noted that the blue collar workers like pulmbers and carpenters also have unions...

Not that a union is the perfect solution for all labor issues, but it does put up some resistance to one-sided policies.

Re:Don't you wish you were blue collar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930261)

By and large, writing software IS a blue collar job. It's traditionally not considered that way for largely superficial reasons. Most software development is just manufacturing, only with fewer raw materials.

(yeah, there are exceptions. there always are. But most software development is just manufacturing.)

Re:Don't you wish you were blue collar? (0)

booch (4157) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930321)

You know why blue collar workers get paid well, especially for their overtime? Because they fought hard to get there. They formed unions way back in the day to make sure that they weren't taken advantage of. Not to mention, most of them actually work hard for a living.

Unfortunately, unions have gotten a bad name due to all the corruption, mainly in the 1950s to 1980s. But the idea is valid. If IT people don't band together, they won't be treated fairly. I don't expect the IT industry workers to ever "get it". So the best I can do is look out for myself, which I'm pretty good at. I feel most sorry for those who just take it on the chin and let themselves get taken advantage of.

I don't get it (3, Insightful)

Soporific (595477) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930128)

Where did they get the $455 weekly and $27.63 hourly figures from? If you are getting paid $27.63 an hour, chances are you are clearing that $455 easily and if you are making $455 (after tax) weekly you are getting paid about $13-14 bucks an hour.

~S

Just like in India (1)

xv4n (639231) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930130)

and any other 3rd world country.

What is this thing called overtime? (3, Funny)

Ian Wolf (171633) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930134)

Oh yeah, thats that "time and a half" thing I use to get before I was salaried.

I've been salaried so long now, I stopped lamenting paid overtime ages ago. Unfortunately, this means my wife's already meager paycheck is gonna get leaner.

Great.

Not All IT Workers (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930137)

God, that such a wrong headline. RTFA.

Only 100,000 people affected? (2, Informative)

BetaJim (140649) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930143)

On NPR yesterday it was reported that only about 100,000 people would be affected by the new changes. If IT folks aren't eligible then that reported number is much too low.

This sucks. I think that if you get an hourly wage you should get overtime pay, regardless of any other factors, if you work overtime.

Re:Only 100,000 people affected? (2, Funny)

VoidPoint (634537) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930250)

That's the number of IT people left in the U.S. This law doesn't apply to outsourced positions.

Re:Only 100,000 people affected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930259)

On NPR yesterday it was reported that only about 100,000 people would be affected by the new changes. If IT folks aren't eligible then that reported number is much too low.
That's because the change doesn't affect IT workers in third world countries. There are only 99,999 left in the US.

No, it's accurate..... (2, Funny)

Genjurosan (601032) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930309)

Because by the time the CEOs are finished, there will be less than 100,000 IT workers in the US.

"New" rule? (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930150)

new rules that seem to specifically target IT workers and other white collar workers for exemption from overtime pay.

That "new" rule is as old as IT : if you do your legal 40 hours per week in an IT company, you're out of here faster than you can say "antidisestablishmentarianism".

In the last company I worked for, a minimum of 60 hours per week was expected, sort of like an unwritten rule, often a lot more during death marches. I was well paid of course, and bonuses were huge, but in reality I had a really shitty hourly wage.

So what's new here? just that it's now a written rule that IT workers are slave workers. The only thing this does is diminish even further the impression of "privileged workers" non-IT folks have of us, and that's too bad because that's about the only glamour of the job.

Re:"New" rule? (4, Interesting)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930280)

Well, I work for a tech company, and they expect me to work sixty hours a week too... the only difference is that I don't. I work the forty. At 5pm, I get up, pack my computer, and leave.

It's that simple. I'm not getting paid overtime, so I'm not doing overtime. Granted, I'm "on call" once every other week, so I get woken up sometimes, but frankly, I just don't understand why people think they have to do that extra 20 hours. Do they give you more money? Do they come over and help clean your apartment? No. So why do it for them?

They are providing you a job, and as long as you do that job, then "expectations" are just that.

how could this possibly be legal? (1)

mikeg22 (601691) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930155)

Aren't there laws about employers making employees work for no pay? The word slavery comes to mind...I don't care if its not manual labor, its still labor.

Re:how could this possibly be legal? (1)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930220)

That is why I never want to work in a salaried position. Unions Rock!

getting $100k/year hourly? (3, Interesting)

gevmage (213603) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930156)

The article says: "Chao said about 107,000 white-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year could lose their eligibility."

People in that salary bracket are being paid hourly? I had always assumed that anywhere in the 50+ per year range is a salaried position, and overtime isn't an issue anyway, because you don't keep a time clock.

Re:getting $100k/year hourly? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930268)

They bill hours to the client. Lawyers making 7 figures bill hourly. So do people with fat gravy contracts from the gummint, or other corporations.

Executives and corporate officers, and general beurocrats need salaries since they only do an hours worth of actual work in a week.

But a high priced tech on a jobsite is no different from a high prices plumber or electrician. You'll pay for the time he's there.

IT at Department of Labor Secretary Elaine Chao (1)

maxdamage (615250) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930158)

I know who is'nt working over time anymore...

figures . . . (5, Funny)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930159)

Another astounding success in the Bush Administration's No Billionaire Left Behind program.

Re:figures . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930292)

That's about the wittiest fucking thing I've ever read. Did you write that yourself?

Stupid (2, Insightful)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930165)

That's a totally stupid rule. So now all us Geeks not only have to be chained to the desk for 18 hours a day, we don't get the compensation for it? You try it, damned politicians!!! Thankfully, I am Canadian and any journey south would be under contract stipulating that overtime hours are paid at double-time. Just so you know, that contract re-negotiation can give you some leverage to get what you want, and that even if the law says one thing, you can still negotiate yourself out of these kinds of compensation ruts. Don't take no for an answer. Unionize and strike, need be.

This isn't anything new... (2, Insightful)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930166)

I'm on salary. Which means I'm on-call 24/7, expected to do overtime if needed, and can be fired at any time for any reason.

If I'm working as an hourly employee, I'm going to bill my boss for every hour I spend working. At my full rate. If I'm lucky, maybe they'll agree to pay me time and a half for anything over 40 hours (or some other predetermined limit).

They can't make me work overtime hours and not pay me, unless I'm salary. Then I wouldn't expect it anyway.

OTOH (1)

BackwardHatClub (763903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930167)

On the other hand, the overtime rules were never really meant to apply to people like programmers, so it's really just codifying that. Overtime was put in place to compenstate manual labourers, and low wage employees.

What about SB 88? (4, Interesting)

Mr.Surly (253217) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930168)

Which explicitly states that IT workers making less than $83,000 anually must be paid overtime?

This was signed into (California) law in 2000, I believe.

SB 88 [ca.gov]

From the bill:

This bill, except as specified, would exempt a professional employee in the computer software field from this overtime compensation requirement if the employee is primarily engaged in work that is intellectual or creative, the employee's hourly rate of pay is not less than $41.00, and the employee meets other requirements.

Inaccurate Headline... (5, Informative)

jkubecki (26300) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930175)

Once again, typically for Slashdot, the headline is very inaccurate. It's not that IT workers aren't eligible for overtime pay, it's just that it's no longer guaranteed. If your employer wants to pay you overtime, that's still their prerogative, not to mention a good idea for retention. Believe, there are folks out there earning overtime for IT work that this will not affect at all.

Re:Inaccurate Headline... (1)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930323)

Voulntary cost increases, will probably work as well as W's voulntary pollution regulations for power plants. A corporation exixts to make money for it's shareholders, and any CEO would likely get voted off the island at the next shareholders meeting if he (yes they are mostly men) did not meet earnings expectations. Any cost cutting will be accepted and justified as a means of staying profitable.

And in other news. (1)

rafael_es_son (669255) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930176)

This is not news to me as a software developer. Only infrastructure people seem to enjoy overtime pay benefits.

Great. (1)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930179)

So now they've just legitimatized what was practiced all along. (Well I'm not saying everybody did, but now even the nice guys will convert everyone to salaried to save money).

It applies to me although I rarely qualify for overtime. Since I know this won't have any effect on the loss of said jobs overseas, I don't see how it's even necessary.

Just don't go in tomorrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930189)

When it all starts falling down, maybe they will understand what overtime is and how valuable IT people are.

Maybe they'll outsource their internal IT dept's too. hehehe

Strike is a good word.
Organize is a better one.
Who better to organize than IT people.
Don't be fooled by slogans,
when you're treated as group (and so badly)
act as group.

Strike = quit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930224)

Strike is a bad word. It means you are quitting your job and then harassing people who want to work at the job you abandoned. If you don't like a job, quit and find another and move out of the way of those who step up to work in the job you abandoned.

"Organize is a better one."

Not in the US, where most union members are forced into unions against their will.

Math troubles? (4, Interesting)

pknoll (215959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930191)

Computer employees are not guaranteed overtime pay if they make $455 a week, or if their hourly rate is $27.63.

$455 a week is $23,660 yearly.

$27.63 an hour is $57,470 yearly, which is already close to Federal overtime exemption (if not hitting it exactly, I don't recall the current figure).

So, why the $34,000 discrepancy?

No better in Canada.... (4, Insightful)

Colonel Angus (752172) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930204)

...well, perhaps not all of Canada, but I have been in IT now for 6 years and never once have received any overtime.

My current job has the best "overtime" policy that I've had thus far, in that lieu time off is calculated on overtime hours * 1.5. So we get time and a half OFF for the time we work. Not bad. Gives me at *least* one day off every 3 weeks.

So I have more time off, and no extra income to fork over to the gov't to misappropriate.

Republicans Hate Workers (0, Flamebait)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930206)

News at 11. That's why this year I'm going to vote with my... vote... for a regime that's more in line with my goals.

Re:Republicans Hate Workers (2, Insightful)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930289)

That's why this year I'm going to vote with my... vote... for a regime that's more in line with my goals.

Name one. Chances are if they're in politics, they aren't in line with your goals.

White collar, not slave labor (1)

SCSi (17797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930216)

As a "white collar worker" (Pharmacist), I think its a really really bad idea..
We're already overworked, and now they want us to work overtime without pay? Writing some sloppy code after working an 8 hour day is bad, but making a mistake and killing someone is far worse...
Now the excessive hourly rate of overtime wont be a factor in deciding if im to work 10-12 hour days or not... Time to move to russia! :)

In other news (5, Funny)

cexshun (770970) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930238)

In other news, the Department of Labor is experiencing strange outages with their network, website, and all IT related systems.

I can see it now... (4, Funny)

Frennzy (730093) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930246)

PHB: Mr. Frennzy, we'd like to offer you employment. Your base wage will be $27.65 per hour.

Me: No WAY man! I won't take a penny over $27.62 per hour.

Thankfully, it's not an issue if you're self-employed.

Why are there no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8930254)

...IT Unions or guilds that combat this type of crap. I'm not a commie or a teamster, by why no worker rights for white collar workers? Oh and my job ain't all that white collar some days.

see?! (0, Flamebait)

Bongzilla (458471) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930256)

government regulation of labor _is_ bad!

Overtime? (1)

LouCifer (771618) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930264)

Wouldn't most IT workers be salaried anyway? I've always been.

The upside is: Where I work, if we work a single hour a day and have to take off (sick, dr appt., etc) we get paid for 8 hours regardless.

Plus, I can work the single hour remotely if needed.

Wait a minute... (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930284)

You guys were getting overtime?

In my entire career in IT, I have NEVER been paid overtime. 40 hours a week, 60 hours a week, weekends, nights, whatever.

Was I supposed to?

work overtime for regieme change at home (2, Insightful)

swschrad (312009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930286)

nothing will change if the persons in government don't.

"Salaried" usually equals "hourly" anyways (5, Interesting)

four12 (129324) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930298)

I've worked for 17 years in the IT field, and all but three of those years have been as a "salaried" employee.

If I am "salaried", why do I have to fill out a timesheet? Why, when I only have 38 hours on my timesheet, do I get paid for 38 hours? Conversely, when I have 68 hour, I only get paid for 40?

I've brought this up as "illegal" on a couple occasions, and even cited the state's labour laws, only to have it thrown back at me.

THIS is where we need to make some reforms too...

Well in my company (1)

kippy (416183) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930306)

They don't pay overtime and haven't in a while. Sometimes I do 5 or 10 hours over 40 but I'm salaried so I just take it as part of the job.

Also, if I do something really heroic, I usually get some kind of merit-based bonus. $200 or $300.

Perhaps I work as a company who spoils me but I'm not troubled too much by not getting overtime. If I thought I was being taken advantage of though, I'd start hitting the monster boards.

Wow, really pissed off corporate America (1)

pelsmith (308845) | more than 10 years ago | (#8930318)

With all that limo surfing, Aeron chair purchasing, job hunting on company time, and bragging about how rich everyone deserved to be.

Now not only are IT workers fired, but threatened with third world wages and no overtime pay should they ever return.

Seriously, I don't mean to troll, but what did we expect? For a brief, glowing moment there, IT workers were treating money like it was only paper.

The same thing happened to coal miners (the technical gurus of their day) decades ago. At least they had union protection.
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