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Operation Fastlink Cracks Down on Warez

CmdrTaco posted about 10 years ago | from the this-can-only-get-messier dept.

News 1052

An anonymous reader writes "Beginning yesterday morning, law enforcement from 10 countries and the United States conducted over 120 searches worldwide to dismantle some of the most well-known and prolific online piracy organizations. Among the groups targeted by Operation Fastlink are well-known organizations such as Fairlight, Kalisto, Echelon, Class and Project X, all of which specialized in pirating computer games, and music release groups such as APC. The enforcement action announced today is expected to dismantle many of these international warez syndicates and significantly impact the illicit operations of others."

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Call them "Evil Doers" next... (4, Interesting)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#8942177)

The only "impact" will be "we have to start using VPNs, boys!"

I love how Ashcroft and his Copyright Enforcement Militia makes these pirates sound like the Mafia by using terms like "syndicate. Think about it: almost all "nfo" files have pleas for FTP sites for 0-day distribution. If these "sydicates" have to beg for machines and bandwidth in an "nfo" file, how omnipotent can they really be?

The feds are just taking care of their corporate masters, that's all.

Re:Call them "Evil Doers" next... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942277)

we have to start using VPNs, boys!

Christ most of those warez servers are slow enough as is...

Re:Call them "Evil Doers" next... (4, Interesting)

numbski (515011) | about 10 years ago | (#8942278)

No kidding. IPSec, here we come!

Exactly what's the limit on a FreeS/WAN box acting as an IPSec VPN concentrator? Anything? Other than system resources?

128bit encryption end to end. I'm suprised this isn't being done already. Granted, no HTTP Leeching or anonymous ftp (perhaps pre-shared keys?) until you're on the private network...

Re:Call them "Evil Doers" next... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942337)

My OpenBSD boxes scream with a cheap (~$89 IIRC) Soekris cryptographic accelerator. The CPU barely gets used while the HiFn chip on the card does all the bullwork.

Near line speed crypto. Ahhhh..

Re:Call them "Evil Doers" next... (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 10 years ago | (#8942353)

The feds are just taking care of their corporate masters, that's all.

You mean, serving the citizens of their countries, who are trying to make money by selling software? You mean, enforcing the law?

How dare they! It would make much more sense for them to start working for the software pirates. ::rolls eyes::

I'm going to get moderated "Troll" again (5, Interesting)

Hanna's Goblin Toys (635700) | about 10 years ago | (#8942386)

For pointing out that there's a huge overseas mp3 server illegally serving 12.8 gigs of mp3's in Iraq [dmusic.com] that Ashcroft should take down immediately - probably run by Evil Doers!

You have to wonder if the civilian contractors they're using to hunt these people down have community mp3 servers at work. If so, what do they listen to? Wagner?

Re:Call them "Evil Doers" next... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942414)

Don't call them "Evil Doers", Call them terrorists, That will get EVERY ones attention, Think about it. Terrorism is already the buzzword for EVERY thing bad after all. Piracy is doubleplusungood.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942180)


How is this YRO? (5, Insightful)

GraZZ (9716) | about 10 years ago | (#8942187)

We don't have the right to distributed pirated works online. How does this story fit in this category?

Re:How is this YRO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942216)

We don't have the right to distributed pirated works online.

You do in Canada.

Re:How is this YRO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942227)

Software != Music. They pay a special music tax, so it's a socialist thing.

Re:How is this YRO? (1)

GraZZ (9716) | about 10 years ago | (#8942236)

So far this "right" has only been extended to music, and you KNOW it isn't going to last long. Or perhaps they'll hike our CD-R/HDD/Computer tax to compensate....

Re:How is this YRO? (2, Funny)

RedCard (302122) | about 10 years ago | (#8942388)

>>We don't have the right to distributed pirated works online.

>You do in Canada.

If we have rights to them, they're not pirated, now are they?

Slashdot stock comment #243: (3, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | about 10 years ago | (#8942225)

We don't have the right to distributed pirated works online. How does this story fit in this category?

You must be new here.

Now, that's comedy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942264)

Calling someone with a four digit Slashdot ID new.

Re:Now, that's comedy (1)

GraZZ (9716) | about 10 years ago | (#8942302)

Agreed >:p

Re:Now, that's comedy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942431)

Well, If you are such a wise old-timer, why don't you know that: 1. This story has to due with law and the internet and 2. Anytime there is some enforcement of the law on the internet it gets posted under YRO.

Re:How is this YRO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942235)

Look at the other stories posted under YRO. It doesn't mean "hey someone takes you a right away you have".
It seems you're quite new to slashdot?

Re:How is this YRO? (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#8942271)

It seems you're quite new to slashdot?

You should have looked at his UID # before submitting :)

Re:How is this YRO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942348)

Still doesn't change the fact he doesn't know how this place works. Shit, Taco doesn't even know how to run this joint.

Re:How is this YRO? (4, Informative)

einnor (242611) | about 10 years ago | (#8942320)

We don't have the right to distributed pirated works online. How does this story fit in this category?

Of course it's about "Your Rights Online". You claim that it's not a right. Discussion of rights we don't have, and about whether or not we should have them, belong in YRO.

Re:How is this YRO? (1)

VeggiePossum23 (707184) | about 10 years ago | (#8942376)

Well-stated einor... sheesh like 5 people already posted complaining that this doesn't belong in YRO when it obviously does.

YRO - OLT! (2, Funny)

NeverNow (611234) | about 10 years ago | (#8942390)

Because it's Your Rights Online - Or Lack Thereof! And we should have the rights to distribute whatever we want. "Pirated" has no meaning, unless we're talking about hooks and eye patches.

Re:How is this YRO? (2, Insightful)

Spellbinder (615834) | about 10 years ago | (#8942405)

in a democrazy people say whats right
if there is majority saying it is right
then it is legal
habits change over time so does our law
why should I not be allowed to fight for this right by all legal means
and how does this not affect our rights online

Re:How is this YRO? (1)

Rikus (765448) | about 10 years ago | (#8942412)

Well, people may or may not have a right to distribute copyrighted material on the internet. The law says they don't, but the law isn't always right. Many people believe that they do have a right to freely communicate with others, and that this would fall under that same category (transmitting/receiving information or data).
In fact, isn't the YRO category frequently about seemingly unjust laws (or unjust enforcement of laws)?

Another mis-categorized YRO post (2, Insightful)

coug_ (63333) | about 10 years ago | (#8942190)

Ah yes, because we all know... it's the right of these individuals to freely trade copyrighted software so that they can be 3L33T 0-D4Y H4X0RZ.


Bummer (1, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#8942196)

There's always more waiting to take their places though, so it's all good. Like reading about a big pot bust at the harbour.

So is this tied to the earlier story.... (5, Insightful)

abb3w (696381) | about 10 years ago | (#8942201)

About raiding an Arizona school? [slashdot.org]

Re:So is this tied to the earlier story.... (3, Insightful)

slackerboy (73121) | about 10 years ago | (#8942308)

According to Reuters [reuters.com] , "Ashcroft declined to say where the raids had taken place, but noted warez groups often used schools as distribution hubs."

So I'd say it's a safe bet to say they're the same storyline.

Re:So is this tied to the earlier story.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942346)

Man you must sucking some moderator dick to have your post modded up when someone else posted the same thing [slashdot.org] ealier, but they got a redundant and you got an interesting.

You faggot.

Re:So is this tied to the earlier story.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942389)

And I did it without attempting to karma whore!

The original poster.

Freenode (1)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | about 10 years ago | (#8942208)

What about Freenode? Anything said about that?

Re:Freenode (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942410)

This is real warez
Not kiddies on IRC
the riaa is left to deal with kiddies
the FBI knows were the real warez is coming from and they're going after them now.

The people in these groups KNOW the FBI are there, watching and waiting. These people just hope it isn't them that get caught

I'm having Flashbacks... (1)

the unbeliever (201915) | about 10 years ago | (#8942214)

...of Operation Cyberstrike from the early 90's ;/ That one hit close to home, since one of their target bbs's was local to me :(

Re:I'm having Flashbacks... (5, Interesting)

Short Circuit (52384) | about 10 years ago | (#8942429)

The BBS(Cyberspace BBS) I frequented here in the Grand Rapids area has always been (and still is) very careful about only allowing shareware and freeware software into the file libraries people can download from.

The original owner's wife's ex-husband called the FBI and told them Cyber had pirated software and child pornography available for download. So the FBI raided. AFAIK, they didn't damage anything, and left once it was demonstrated that the file libraries were clean.

Corporate Masters.... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 10 years ago | (#8942217)

The ongoing investigations were assisted by various intellectual property trade associations, including the Business Software Alliance, the Entertainment Software Association, the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America.

Now how did I not see that coming.....


Class (2, Insightful)

VeggiePossum23 (707184) | about 10 years ago | (#8942218)

Okay, so now Class is an international mafia-like crime "syndicate." That's really great. I'm glad my tax dollars are being spent to track these people down when the real crime organizations are out there killing people. This is just another example of the government giving in to the whims of organizations like the RIAA and the MPAA.

Re:Class (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942296)


Re:Class (4, Insightful)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | about 10 years ago | (#8942393)

And yet... don't the owners of intellectual property rights -- such as Linus Torvalds -- have the right to expect sufficient attention to be paid to their own law enforcement needs?

If the Linux kernel got hijacked and put into, say, some other Well Known OS illegally, can you tell me that nobody around here would making any "John Ashcroft should drop the hammer on these guys" remarks?

I don't doubt that some favors exchanged hands to get this kind of attention marked as a priority at Ashcroft's level. But keep in mind that the same law that works for them works for everyone else too, no matter how lop-sided it may seem sometimes.

Re:Class (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942394)

So, you want to bitch about your tax dollars being used for acts of violence when your sig endorses an organization that gives money to Earth First! to firebomb places they don't like?

gg nextmap

Re:Class (3, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 10 years ago | (#8942408)

That's just silly. You can make that argument about any minor law.

"Why are my tax dollars being spent giving me a speeding ticket when there are real crime organizations out there killing people?"

Because ALL laws should be enforced.

Tell 'em, princess! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942223)

The more you tighten your grip, Ashcroft, the more warez servers will slip through your fingers.

heh (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about 10 years ago | (#8942229)

And yet the sites are still up and out there.

I have to hand it to them - I think they are doing more than just checking google for the word "warez" now and actually getting tech savvy folks to point out where these sites are.

Capitalism is the root. (3, Interesting)

llamaguy (773335) | about 10 years ago | (#8942241)

We wouldnt have international, sprawling companies cracking down on anyone who so much as looks at their code if people weren't so obsessed with money. Before you point this out to me, of course I'm being hypocritical here. I need money, but I dont exactly lust after it. If these massive companies had no need for money they wouldnt need copyrights so everyone would have the software and be free. Course, most communistic solutions to this problem collapsed pretty much totally, so that's not the answer. But noone genuinely likes these big companies do they? So what is the answer?

Re:Capitalism is the root. (4, Insightful)

BillFarber (641417) | about 10 years ago | (#8942355)

This is not utopia.

This is Earth.

There is no solution. We just muddle along the best we can and as far as I can tell, capitalism seems to give the most people the most opportunity to make their lives into whatever it is they want.

Unfortunately, some people still get screwed. See line #1.

or from the developers perspective. (5, Interesting)

revoemag (589206) | about 10 years ago | (#8942246)

its nice that you make the government out to be the bad guys here, but I'm a game developer and I'd really like to stay in business thank you. With piracy so rampant, game developers NEVER see royalties and its harder and harder to scrape togeother enough cash to make a good game nowadays. Its up to you. Buy games and support the govenment in actions like this and have a healthy game biz, or pirate away and watch all the best developers go under.

Re:or from the developers perspective. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942350)

They've tried to prevent piracy on computing platforms. Develop for a game console, they're not suffering at all... unless they develop shitty games (which is how it's supposed to be).

Re:or from the developers perspective. (1)

dumeinst (664891) | about 10 years ago | (#8942427)

Find a new business model. The days of poorly written, over priced games are behind us. I can't remember the last commercial game I was satisfied with since Homeworld.

Damn, I'm so out of touch. (4, Funny)

FreeLinux (555387) | about 10 years ago | (#8942249)

I've never heard of any of these "well known" groups.

Re:Damn, I'm so out of touch. (1)

VeggiePossum23 (707184) | about 10 years ago | (#8942298)

The only one I've heard of is Class. They are my favorite though, but I'm sure this won't shut them down.
Actually I haven't seen any Class releases in a while... Deviance and Myth have been more common in my download repertoire.

Re:Damn, I'm so out of touch. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942399)

GO VEGAN!! www.peta.com
Have you considered making a copy of the animals you want to eat instead of just not eating animals? ie you (legitimately) get hold of a cow, get it impregnated, and then eat the off-spring?

Great news! (4, Funny)

7Ghent (115876) | about 10 years ago | (#8942250)

I guess this must mean that we've already solved all those pesky problems with rape, murder, assault and those other violent crimes, not to mention terrorism and the ongoing drug war, so now we can move onto things like busting 1337 W4R3Z D00DZ.

Re:Great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942324)

What are you 12?

According to your dumbass logic, any law other than the above shouldn't be enforced.

The Heroic Ashcroft (5, Funny)

Glowing Fish (155236) | about 10 years ago | (#8942257)

Wow, whether it is people selling pipes that might be used to smoke marijuana, or kiddiez running "FTP my w4r3z!!!!" sites, Ashcroft won't back down from a hard fight.

Ashcroft doesn't dance, smoke or drink. I think he has too much time on his hands.

Re:The Heroic Ashcroft (2, Interesting)

Paulrothrock (685079) | about 10 years ago | (#8942336)

Not to mention the fact that Asscroft covered up the statue of justice because she was topless.

Any man who views justice as a sex object does not deserve to be head of the DOJ.

MOD PARENT UP, please (-1, Offtopic)

GoneGaryT (637267) | about 10 years ago | (#8942398)

Some dickbrain is moderating any criticism of Ashcroft as -1 Flamebait. It is, in fact, a perfectly reasonable position to take.

Who let Jeb Bush in here anyway?

Only in Canada.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942258)

Foreign searches were conducted in Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, the Netherlands, Singapore, Sweden as well as Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Looks like us Canucks are still good to go!

Your Rights Online?? (3, Insightful)

addie (470476) | about 10 years ago | (#8942267)

How is this a YRO story? None of us have the right to rip and crack a commercial game release. The only right here, is that of the developers to do something about it, which apparently... they just did.

Class releases have been around for years, I'm amazed it took this long for them to get shut down (at least, temporarily).

Re:Your Rights Online?? (1)

VeggiePossum23 (707184) | about 10 years ago | (#8942335)

Your Rights Online Section isn't only about Rights we already have... it can also be about rights that are in dispute or that people feel we should have. So I think this fits very well in the YRO section.

MY GOD (5, Funny)

Sevn (12012) | about 10 years ago | (#8942281)

It could take HOURS for new groups to deal with the hole created by the loss of these groups. The humanity.

No boundries... 100+ individuals... (1)

nickochee (758895) | about 10 years ago | (#8942284)

"The amount of international coordination and cooperation in this effort is unprecedented and will send a clear and unmistakable message to those individuals and organizations dedicated to piracy that they will no longer be protected by geographic boundaries..."

"As a result of Fastlink, over 120 total searches have been executed in the past 24 hours in 27 states and in 10 foreign countries. Foreign searches were conducted in Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, the Netherlands, Singapore, Sweden as well as Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Operation Fastlink is the largest multi-national law enforcement effort ever directed at online piracy. Nearly 100 individuals worldwide have been identified by the investigation to date, many of whom are the leaders or high-level members of various international piracy organizations. As the investigations continue, additional targets will be identified and pursued."

Now the question is, what will we do with these individuals that run the piracy organizations?

Low impact event. (2, Insightful)

mwronski (674652) | about 10 years ago | (#8942287)

I would think that the P2P and widespread broadband would facilitate the spread of "warez" more than an organized group. Wasnt much of their work focused on repackaging software by "ripping" the music and movies to make it smaller and easier to transport? Comcast is offering 3MB download speeds for its customers, what else could that be used for?? ;)

Somehow I dont think this effort is going to do much to stop software piracy.

THG still alive and well. (4, Insightful)

DR SoB (749180) | about 10 years ago | (#8942288)

Well, since The Humble Guys are still alive and well, and were big even back when I was wee lad, I don't see any big impacts. The chiense stores in china town, still sell cheap re-printed DVD's, and I can still buy bootlegged smokes down at the local diner, I don't see how this is going to effect anything.

Come to think of it, isn't Razor 1911, and a few other "big players" still in the game? I guess they are "un-touchables"... Piracy might be seriously diminished one day, but it won't happen until the NWO anyways..

Some more info. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942289)

The l33t w4r3z d00dz over at iSONEWS [izonews.com] are discussing this too.

you know you're getting old when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942292)

...you don't recognize any of the warez groups names.

or you know the operation is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942312)

a bullshit FUD operation. ;-)

word choice (3, Insightful)

morcheeba (260908) | about 10 years ago | (#8942315)

Got to love that first sentence:

... most ... aggressive enforcement action ever undertaken against organizations involved in illegal intellectual property piracy over the Internet.

They sure do use a lot of words. illegal is redundant. Intellectual property is wrong because I think they are going after copyrights and not also patents. Piracy is cute and coloquial, but it doesn't refer to sea-faring attacks, then the DoJ shouldn't use it. This would be much better:

... most ... aggressive enforcement action ever undertaken against organizations involved in copyright infringement over the Internet.

And the third-to-the-last paragraph is great, too:

...contain the most highly coveted and valuable "new releases," many of which were distributed to the warez scene before they are commercially available to the general public. Conservative estimates of the value of the pirated works seized easily exceed $50 million.

If these programs are not for sale, then how do they arrive at the $ figure? You can't use the retail value of the final package; no one would pay that much for an unwarrantied, probably time-limited beta. In fact, very rarely do even legitimate users pay for a beta version.

I also like the word "seized" used with "pirated works" because it makes it seem like it's physical property. It's just another attempt to make infringement equal to theft. I expect better from my DoJ.

Once again, what terrorism? (1)

donnyfire (679042) | about 10 years ago | (#8942325)

I said it this morning. I sure am glad the FBI could take some time of their busy schedule of fighting terrorism to perform this incredably important national security task. I know I'll rest easier tonight knowing that copyrighted works are that much safer. Sheesh!

MOVE OVER MAFIA! (3, Insightful)

Serapth (643581) | about 10 years ago | (#8942326)

I just love the spin they put on this...

these international warez syndicates

Yes... 14 year old uber-geeks cracking games and software in mom's basement... yes, that something deserving the title "synicate".

Nice to see the government(s) spending money going after such terrifying villians instead of your friendly neighbourhood rapists, child molestors and murderers, eh?

Sad... and the media is playing into it...

Further Announcement (Scóre:5, Genuine) (1)

CmdrTaco (01) (768348) | about 10 years ago | (#8942333)

Dear Slashbots

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Now you may have read recently about radical changes I aim to make to the karma system in my fantastic journal [slashdot.org] . I said I was thinking of scrapping the whole -1 to +5 karma score system in favour of a vaguely defined alternative. I couldn't give more details then and there, because I was making it up as I go along, but at last I can finally unveil the basics of the new system, the better system to replace karma.

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My aim in all of this would be to take the aggro out of the system. At the moment, people are always whining about this karma loss, or this unfair moderation, or this persons smoking crack, or this person needs more crack that I'm totally sick of the lot of you.

OK, from now on, instead of assigning a bullshit phrase that is poorly understood like "Insightful", Slashdot will let mods say "I don't like this" or "I like this". Simple is good. And so there's no abuse, you will be able to see on each comment who modded you down so you can discuss amicably where or why your post was unlikable.

This is obviously a recipe for good success and cheer! Everyone will be happy to see why they are modded down, and will probably remember next time they post or get mod points who it was who did so. The last thing we want is the status quo, with the vicious backbiting, infighting and stupid cliques.

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WASTE and others (1)

VAXGeek (3443) | about 10 years ago | (#8942347)

You know, I've seen that there's been trouble with WASTE lately, but I still think that it, or a system LIKE it will take off soon, where everything IS encrypted end to end. WASTE probably won't be it, but soon a new p2p app will rise up with nice security features. Then, they'll only be able to tell if you're warez'n by your bandwidth, which isn't really a sure fire way to tell. Filetopia from www.filetopia.com is supposed to be pretty secure, Win32 only, but it works fine under Wine.

It seems to me... (2, Insightful)

dawg ball (773621) | about 10 years ago | (#8942357)

... as if this might fall into the same category as trying to "rid the world of spam". Does anyone think it's going to make any difference?

This won't do a single thing (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942359)

Knowing those release groups as well I do, I predict they will plead NO-CD and CRACK their way out of prison within 3 days after their sentences go gold!

This is big. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942360)

Whatever you say, this is "big"
Seriously "big"
Every single major "elite" warez site in the netherlands is gone.
FairLighT are gone, for those of you who don't know FairLighT ( FLT ) they're one of the two main game releasing warez groups. People within the scene are scared, this is a bad day for warez.
Also, this is the US Governments doing, up untill today the .nl boys though they were safe from the law, but looks like the US has done a bit of leaning..

I feel safer already... (2, Funny)

instantkarma1 (234104) | about 10 years ago | (#8942382)

I mean, this people are part of the Axis of Evil, right?

Yes, go do the bidding of your corporate pimps and protect their profit margins. When you get the chance, how bout keepin an eye open for Osama?

OH No, (3, Funny)

zentu (584197) | about 10 years ago | (#8942385)

Where am I supposed to get my games and Operating systems from NOW? Am I supposed to go out and by them like a normal person? But, I am better than them.

a useless effort (3, Interesting)

N3wsByt3 (758224) | about 10 years ago | (#8942396)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the software-industry/IFPI/RIAA - and in fact EVERY entity making a living of pure digitalised works - is fighting a lost cause. And I think they know it.

First off all, I have difficulties with their acclaimed 'stealing' of music/software/movie. As far as I know, stealing implies that the one that has been stolen has been derived of something. When you take a copy, you do not take the original away, thus they have not 'lost' anything. They might claim that they loose money when ppl d/l music, but even that is far from certain. Not only is it not shown statistically to have had that effect (they didn't even show a correlation thusfar - see former aussie music-news - let alone a causality). Ofcourse they *claim* they are suffering, and that it's all due to online d/l, but it's far from being a scientific valid causility. And frankly, even if it were true, it is partly their own fault, and partly because their sort of business (as it is today) has simply become obsolete.

Furthermore, in an individual case, they would have to show they actually lost revenue. Which is far from said, because I sure know some guys who d/l music, but would NEVER have bought that music if they were unable to d/l it. So, how did the RIAA/IFPI loose revenue, exactly? And if they didn't lose anything, how can the term 'stealing' apply?

It would still be copyright-infringement, ofcourse, but that's another matter. I think maybe it's time we went beyond our current system of copyrights and walk into the era of cyberspace. With the industrial revolution, patents and copyrights knew a high flight, maybe it's time to let it leave and try something new? Maybe something in the lines of this: fairshare [sourceforge.net].

And don't worry, contrary to what the RIAA claims, musicians will not starve to death, and music-making will not stop. We had music long before we had copyrights, and we will have music long after copyrights have vanished from the scene.

And lastly, it's something that *can not* be stopped. P2P progs and their development act as organisms that follow the darwinian rules of survival. When Napster was 'killed' by the RIAA, immediately others (like kazaa) took over, being more resistent to attacks from the RIAA&co. Whenever kazaa will be shut down, others again will take over. When endusers are targeted, systems that protect the user will become dominant (like FreeNet).

It really is a lost cause. But then again, they are not truelly battling for the survival of musicians (as I said; they will survive, just as they used to do), it's for their OWN survival they are fighting. There is no way in hell they are going to keep the giant profits that they have been gathering for the last decades.

But ultimately, they will have to do what P2P systems are already doing: adapt to the new circumstances (and forget about the former levels of profit), or whither and die.

Wait a sec (2, Interesting)

Negativeions101 (706722) | about 10 years ago | (#8942400)

As far as I know Fairlight and other similar groups are crackers. Do they actually do any piracy? I thought they just cracked games and stuff.

So when will they take out spammers? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942417)

I hear often enough that the majority of spam comes from a very small group of individuals. Come on, feds, get your act in gear and illegalize spam so you can go after these big-league criminals.

Operation Better-P2P To Follow (1)

Saeger (456549) | about 10 years ago | (#8942419)

Artificial scarcity enforcement is ultimately futile (without a global police state) [firstmonday.dk] , no matter what your opinion on "intellectual property".

The continuing rise of open source and open content will have more impact than any of these crackdowns will. In fact, the crackdowns on "IP theft" only accelerate the progress toward an open future. Copy-prevention is just a stopgap by the old regime.


Because Al Qaeda is not evil enough? (3, Insightful)

SID*C64 (444002) | about 10 years ago | (#8942420)

Ashcroft please spend our nation's resources on something more important.

Free Stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#8942426)

Nooooooo more free stuff.
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