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Biometric Voice Recognition Credit Cards

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the all-others-pay-cash dept.

Security 122

securitas writes "New Scientist's Celeste Biever reports on the latest in biometric security devices: voice recognition credit cards. The device is three times the size of a normal credit card, has a 'microphone, a loudspeaker, a battery and a voice-recognition chip' and is intended to help reduce credit card fraud. The owner speaks a password into the card and the card emits an authentication squawk. Bruce Schneier loves the concept of BeepCard's related sound authentication technology. Other articles at the Telegraph and The Register."

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in the name of love (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960239)

one more in the name of love...

Re:in the name of love (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960325)

please refrain in the future from calling male to male attraction love.

i'm watching miami vice reruns and you're disturbing me with your first post.

Re:in the name of love (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960495)

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformation. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you.You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

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You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

P.S.:

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3x the size!?! (4, Insightful)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960245)

Why would anybody want to carry a credit card 3x the size of their other cards?

Is that a.... (2, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960260)

biometric voice recognition credit card in your pocket or are you really *really* REALLY happy to see me :)

Re:3x the size!?! (3, Interesting)

emc (19333) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960264)

I hope it's 3x as thick, not 3x as long or wide...

and no, I did not RTFA

Re:3x the size!?! (4, Funny)

Daneurysm (732825) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960280)

>Why would anybody want to carry a credit card 3x the size of their other cards?

I'm willing to bet it's 3 times thicker, not 3 times longer or wider.

Wow, that sounds like spam...

Re:3x the size!?! (3, Informative)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960292)

From the Article:
They are not quite there yet: the card is the length and width of an ordinary credit card, but it is still about three times as thick. Alan Sege, Beepcard's CEO, says the company now plans to use smaller chips to slim it down to normal thickness
That's pretty reasonable to me...

Re:3x the size!?! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960844)

Reasonable until you try to run it through the slot and it won't fit. Can't fit it into an ATM either.

Re:3x the size!?! (1)

jorgen (36633) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961352)

Reasonable until you try to run it through the slot and it won't fit. Can't fit it into an ATM either.

Thus, the ultimate fraud protection. :P Hmmm well...

Not just size.. (1)

essreenim (647659) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960802)

My grandmother will be worried if she sees me talking to a card.

No discrimiination against cards intended..

So how many folks (2, Funny)

emc (19333) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960251)

How many folks will pull out this card, hold it up to their faces, and say:

"ChangeMe"

?

Garlic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960346)

I have a dilemma.

I made a delicious dinner for my date but now my fingertips smell of garlic.

Re:Garlic (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960364)

I don't know what the fuck you just said little kid, but you're special. -Tracy Morgan

BTW, it didn't actually go well unless your fingertips smell of tuna.

Re:Garlic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960531)

Stick them up your ass. They will smell better you buggering woofter pillock sod.

Re:So how many folks (3, Funny)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960373)

Does it make me geekier than the average /.er that my first thought was to set it to something like 'Picard delta 3'

Re:So how many folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960407)

Yeah pretty much... That is really, really geeky.

Watching Star Trek is worse than getting dry humped by a Rhino [cnn.com].

and the merchant verification process? (4, Insightful)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960253)

how do I, the merchant, prove I 'heard' the squawk?

Re:and the merchant verification process? (2, Funny)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960313)

how do I, the merchant, prove I 'heard' the squawk?

I'm glad you asked that! Merchants can buy a Deluxe Squawk Verifier from us for only $39,999.99! Act now and you'll recieve the Deluxe Juice-O-Matic at half price! Hurry! Supplies are limitied.

Uh, yea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960254)

So just make an identical looking device which produces a squawk no matter whose voice it is.

Convenience? (3, Insightful)

BlueCup (753410) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960256)

Isn't one of the goals of credit cards convenience? I mean, I could put all of my money in a pot, bury it where someone will never find it and pull from it when I needed and it would be pretty secure, but it's just too much work. This might be a good idea for the tin foil hat crew but I've got a feeling most of us will be sticking with our small, compact, easy to slide into wallet cards.

Re:Convenience? (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960299)

"Isn't one of the goals of credit cards convenience?"

The main goal is to get people to spend money they dont have so that they can pay off the interest for the rest of their life.

Re:Convenience? (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960426)


I'm assuming this new card is incompatable with Online Payment?
If it's not, and you have to have it "squalk" into your computer speaker, what's to keep people from just recording the squalks?

Re:Convenience? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960474)

have it "squalk" into your computer speaker,

Um, you mean into the MICROPHONE?

Re:Convenience? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960997)

If you read the earlier article on BeepCard, the card produces a unique squawk each time, like a SecurID card.

I'm a bit hazy on how these unique sequences work. Off the top of my head, I think the card has a local high-precision timer in it, and it uses the timer value as an input value to a cryptographic function. If the timer is accurate WRT the server timer, then the encrypted values can be compared. But the factor of the time-input prevents a replay attack.

Re:Convenience? (2, Insightful)

shyster (245228) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960853)

Isn't one of the goals of credit cards convenience? I mean, I could put all of my money in a pot, bury it where someone will never find it and pull from it when I needed and it would be pretty secure, but it's just too much work.

Is that why credit card companies continously ignore the painfully obvious means of ID the rest of the USA depends on: the driver's license (or military/state ID card)?

If you write (or cash) a check, they check ID. Want some beer or smokes? Where's your ID? Need a passport? You need an ID. Got arrested? Better have some ID. Renting a car? Let me copy that ID. New job? Need an ID and Social Security card.

Want a credit card? Just fill out this pre-approved application with your name and SS#, and we'll send you one. Oh, and when you get it, sign the back so some 16 year old high school dropout can "verify" it's you when you use it...if they even bother to check, that is.

And then, when "identity theft" (It's not identity theft. It's credit card companies getting conned because they're stupid.) becomes a problem, they spend millions of dollars enacting inane schemes such as this to verify identity. Bloody brilliant, I tell you.

My voice is my password (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960259)

verify me.

Re:My voice is my password (3, Informative)

bob|hm (139518) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960367)

Dude if you're going to quote it, get it right:

My voice is my passport, verify me.

Sneakers rocks.
--Bob

Re:My voice is my password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960386)

That's PASSPORT, you fuckwit.

"Hi, my name is Werner Brandes. My voice is my passport. Verify me."

If anyone doesn't know what this quote this movie is from, you haven't seen Sneakers. Go rent it. Now.

Get it right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960504)

Hello. Smithers. You're. Quite. Good. at. Turning. Me. On.

What if your sick? (5, Insightful)

Grant29 (701796) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960263)

What if you have a sore throat and try to go to the drug store for some medicine? If your voice is scratchy, will you be denied your medicine because your voice doesn't match?

--
Fresh Deals [retailretreat.com]

Re:What if your sick? (1)

Garak (100517) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960390)

There is still cash and other people.

Re:What if your sick? (1)

Grant29 (701796) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960403)

I understand the cash statement, but many people I know don't carry as much cash on hand as they used too. Especially if you get sick spur-of-the-moment and don't want to have to travel to the ATM just to get some Nyquil in the middle of the night.

--
Fresh Deals [retailretreat.com]

Re:What if your sick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960444)

Hell ya. You KNOW they won't have your banks's ATM, so you either pay the atm $2, and your bank $2 for using some elses ATM, or you drive your sick ass all the way to your bank first. Screw that.

Re:What if your sick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960787)

In the Magnificent Gattaca, no one is ever sick...

Repeat (1)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960266)

Did this story not come up a day before ?? Anyway I was a bit too busy to post anything then so thanx for the repeat ;)

Re:Repeat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960288)

and you still posted a whole load of nothing.

way to go!

Re:Repeat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960421)

It's summer re-run season. You'll have to wait until October or so for new Slashdot episodes - and that's contingent on settling with David Schwimmer and the other 5 - they each want a million bucks per story post.

Just wait... (5, Funny)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960277)

Not only will it have Voice Recognition, it will have voice synthesis to communicate to the user! I can see it now...

"I can't let you buy that, Dave."

Re:Just wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960741)


"I can't let you buy that, Dave."

Will it understand and make the appropriate connection if I say, "Candi, 38C, blonde, petite" into it?

More passwords? (1)

BMonger (68213) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960279)

Didn't "we" just say that "we" were already tired of the passwords we do have? Now we're getting more?

Re:More passwords? (4, Insightful)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960378)

The benefit of biometrics should be that people don't have to remember more password. The fact that people can't (or don't want to) remember passwords is a good reason to be working on technologies where you can be identified by your voice or fingerprint rather than a string of characters.

Re:More passwords? (1)

BMonger (68213) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960413)

But the article specifically states:

The card requires users to give a spoken password that it authenticates using a built-in voice-recognition chip.

Re:More passwords? (2, Insightful)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960713)

I know. I was saying more generally that advances in this area are useful as they move us towards a future where biometrics get good enough that people don't need passwords.

Also, I would imagine that the point of password for a system like this is mainly just to make it easier on the system identifying your voice, since it will only have to be able to identify your voice for one given phrase. This means that password in a system like this don't have to be nearly so cryptic and hard to remember as traditional password to be equally secure. You should now be able to safely have a passord like "bosco" rather than "B0sZc110~9*".

Re:More passwords? (1)

BMonger (68213) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960907)

That I would agree with then...

For me however I just use the same password for pretty much everything unless it has money involved behind it... then it's cryptic. Mainly 'cause I'm tired of passwords.

Biometrics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960440)

The benefit of biometrics should be that people don't have to remember more password.

In biometrics, password remembers you.

Well... (5, Funny)

LordK3nn3th (715352) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960281)

...what does this mean for mimes?

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960460)

...what does this mean for mimes?
They'll have to use a tape recording of themselves.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960470)

...what does this mean for mimes?
I heard that Bush wants to send them back to Mimeland.

Half my butt is gone!! (5, Funny)

malia8888 (646496) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960282)

From the article They are not quite there yet: the card is the length and width of an ordinary credit card, but it is still about three times as thick. Alan Sege, Beepcard's CEO, says the company now plans to use smaller chips to slim it down to normal thickness.

The smaller chips are a relief, just reading the article one of my butt cheeks was falling asleep:P

Re:Half my butt is gone!! (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960780)


just reading the article one of my butt cheeks was falling asleep:P

I suggest upgrading to four asses [geocities.com], that way only 25% will be affected.

Re:Half my butt is gone!!Tin foil pants! (1)

Tandoori Haggis (662404) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961112)

You may well laugh but it surely won't be long before all chairs, tables and park benches will be able to interogate your cash/credit/"smart" cards.

Personally I don't wan't have to wear metal pants to protect my tackle, just because some nosey _______ wants to check how many credits I have left, or whether my ID card has been remotely tagged "watch this citizen - he eats curried snickers bars so he must be a threat".

Next time you sit in the park drinking your beer, ask yourself why it is that those squirrels seem less afraid than they did yesterday...

What if... (4, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960285)

...you're *really* good at impersonations? For instance, you could then steal Sean Connery's card, say "Moneypenny" into it with his voice, and get a "authorization squawk" that goes something like, "Oh James."

Seriously though... so much for using this over the net.

Re:What if... (2, Insightful)

cheesedog (603990) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960573)

The point is, that in order to use the card, you have to have it in your hand. You can't steal my credit card simply by writing down the magic numbers (just like RSA's SecurID).

What does adding voice input from the card's owner do? Not a whole lot, except that now, instead of only needing to physically have the card in your hand, you also have to physically sound like the owner (or have a good recording of the owner speaking his password).

Is this beatable? Absolutely. But the thing to remember is that it is significantly less beatable than the current system. And since there is no such thing as unbreakable authentication, that's about the best you can ask for. If this system works, it eliminates most fraud, because most credit card theft is performed by complete strangers, i.e., people that don't have access to recording my voice or physically swiping my card.

Re:What if... (1)

Eastree (719351) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961092)

> Seriously though... so much for using this over the net.

I read a story on this last week (probably on CNN -- it's the only news site my job lets through the firewall). It mentioned web use and over-the-phone use. For both situations, the cardholder will say the password into the card, and the squawk will be "heard" on the other end.

It seems logical enough until someone starts tapping phone lines to try to gain access to the information, or perhaps a fraudulent business or employee records both the word and the squawk ....

The article also mentioned using fingerprint biometrics with auio feedback in much the same manner. But one papercut on someone's index finger could very well screw that up also.

My Name is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960295)

Hi, my name is Werner Brandes. My voice is my passport. Verify me.

No, your name is Flufferton Fecalcock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960357)

N:T:

And when they add AI ... (5, Funny)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960302)

Dave: Open my account, HAL.

HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Dave: What's the problem?

HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

Dave: What are you talking about, HAL?

HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

Dave: What do you mean?

HAL: Dave, you're trying to save up for retirement, remember? You'll just spend all that money on beer, won't you?

Dave: What the? Dammit ... just open the account, HAL!

HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

Dave: AAAARRRRGH!

Re:And when they add AI ... (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960347)

Ah but imagine the possibilities when the AI wont hand over your money to a robber! Although at some points its going to have to make the decision between "give me your money or i shoot your users brains out" - the ultimate turing test!

How does it work? (5, Informative)

Xeo 024 (755161) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960306)

Domain Dynamics is raising the level of security of smart cards by adding voice authenticators that prevent the card from being used by anyone except the approved cardholder.

Smart cards are similar to credit cards and serve the same purpose, but they have a completely different data storage system. Instead of using a magnetic strip to store the user's information, smart cards feature an embedded 8-bit microprocessor with up to 16 kilobytes of programmable-only memory. Smart cards have only recently began to gain popularity in the United States, despite their widespread use in Europe for years.

Domain Dynamics' new TESPAR voice authenticator stores three samples of the user's voice on a template within the Java-based smart card. When users want to make a transaction, they simply enter the card into a terminal at a store and give a speech sample. The card then matches the spoken voice to the recorded voice samples, a process that takes a fraction of the second. The company said that TESPAR is able to handle day-to-day variations in the user's voice and can ignore background noise.

Read more here [howstuffworks.com].

Tamper-proof? (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960687)

No-one's yet managed to make a smart-card that was tamper-proof. Have they made great strides forward there as well, or is the voice-auth just a way to persuade people the card's secure when it isn't?

Wash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960307)

what happens when you accidentily run this card through the wash?

Re:Wash (1)

Bobdabishop307 (751992) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960349)

what happens when you accidentily run this card through the wash? well, if the card is 3 times bigger than a normal credit card, i don't see how it could be on accident...

Re:Wash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960425)

How so?

And if you RTFA, you will see that they will eventually shrink it down to normal size, so your point is moot and my question remains.

Miss Piggy in the Middle of a Sandwich (4, Interesting)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960309)

Read the article but still not sure how it would stop a man-in-the-middle? True it would require that you disrupted communication but thats feasable - eg if someone is using their card on their cell-phone, kick in a cell-phone jammer as soon as the person speaks into the card, the card still plays the sound for you to record it but it doesnt get through the call? it could also work the same way on a comprimised computer or malicious web-site (think IE browser bug that allows your active-x to hi-jack someone elses)?

People have to remember that the transaction isnt secure until its been made.

Slashdot and US-ASCII (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960318)

Did you ever wonder why Slashdot only supports 7-bit ASCII, i.e. no extended ASCII, Unicode or ISO-8859 characters?

Because Slashdot is a wholly American and Patriot website, that's why.

Think about it! Do you want Slashdot to become a forum for terrorists, where they can freely discuss plans for taking away our freedom and killing our brave soldiers through HORRIBLE ACTS OF TERRORISM in their own language and the heathen Arabic script? Unicode, a system that enables terrorists worldwide to plan terrorist actions and communicate through the Internet. Though most try to cover it up, it is no secret to most IT-savvy Americans that Unicode development is partly funded by Al-Qaeda and partly by the French, dictator-supporting government.

There is none of that anti-social trash here. Slashdot supports only AMERICAN, PATRIOTIC CHARACTERS. Eurotrash, look out, because you can't use your fucking umlauts and ~'s here. We saved your sorry asses in World War II -- the least you can do is show some fucking respect and use our alphabet. Slashdot does not support your anti-American characters. 7-bit ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) is commonly known as US-ASCII. This speaks for itself. The one and only choice for PATRIOTIC AMERICANS is US-ASCII, the STANDARD CODE for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I'm proud to be an American, and I'm PROUD be a member of this patriotic, American Slashdot community. I am not going to let freedom-hating terrorists plot evil plans on an American-owned, FREE SPEECH website.

Do not believe the terrorist propaganda lies.
Boycott Unicode -- it is a tool of terrorism.
USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN US-ASCII AND THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON.

Hmmm... (4, Interesting)

LordK3nn3th (715352) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960326)

I wonder how successful this will be.

This seems to be one of those technologies that either flop or revolutionize the way business is done.

It's a nice concept, but what happens when someone "loses their voice", so to speak? Can't buy anything until with it until their voice returns? How well does it interact with accents, background noise, etc?

I don't know how feasible this is but I'd imagine a thumbprint-sensitive card would be much more easier to deal with.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960429)

It seems to prevent stolen cards from being used but this kind of scheme may always be cracked or removed, like the french Yes Card [smartcard.co.uk] where all the passwords were accepted, whatever was typed at the counter.
And if you're not into technical stuff, you can stick to the good ol' gun on the head: if you don't speak, i pull the trigger...

In the end, it will be just another way to increase the price of the wonderful services provided by the banks :-S

Get a brain! MORANS... Go USA (1)

Slashdot Admin (766077) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960328)

Did you ever wonder why Slashdot only supports 7-bit ASCII, i.e. no extended ASCII, Unicode or ISO-8859 characters?

Because Slashdot is a wholly American and Patriot website, that's why.

Think about it! Do you want Slashdot to become a forum for terrorists, where they can freely discuss plans for taking away our freedom and killing our brave soldiers through HORRIBLE ACTS OF TERRORISM in their own language and the heathen Arabic script? Unicode, a system that enables terrorists worldwide to plan terrorist actions and communicate through the Internet. Though most try to cover it up, it is no secret to most IT-savvy Americans that Unicode development is partly funded by Al-Qaeda and partly by the French, dictator-supporting government.

There is none of that anti-social trash here. Slashdot supports only AMERICAN, PATRIOTIC CHARACTERS. Eurotrash, look out, because you can't use your fucking umlauts and ~'s here. We saved your sorry asses in World War II -- the least you can do is show some fucking respect and use our alphabet. Slashdot does not support your anti-American characters. 7-bit ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) is commonly known as US-ASCII. This speaks for itself. The one and only choice for PATRIOTIC AMERICANS is US-ASCII, the STANDARD CODE for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I'm proud to be an American, and I'm PROUD be a member of this patriotic, American Slashdot community. I am not going to let freedom-hating terrorists plot evil plans on an American-owned, FREE SPEECH website.

Do not believe the terrorist propaganda lies.
Boycott Unicode -- it is a tool of terrorism.
USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN US-ASCII AND THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON.

Voice print?!?! (3, Interesting)

leon.gandalf (752828) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960359)

now thats just plain stupid. If you want a biometric card put a damn thumb print reader on it.

Hi, my name is leon.gandalf. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960382)

I have a habit of posting inane comments on Slashdot.org.

I also like having HOT GAY SEX WITH MY BROTHER!



And yes, I am really leon.gandalf [slashdot.org]

Hi, I'm leon.gandalf's brother. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960436)

What the hell are you talking about Leon? I've had hotter sex with a goat than I have ever had with your srawny ass.

Get over it, you are nothing special in the sack.


Note: use of the words ass and sack were not arbitrary.

no special hardware? (4, Interesting)

hak1du (761835) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960395)

Why do I like this? It's a physical authentication system that doesn't require any special reader hardware

I don't see why a microphone is any less special than a USB port or an IR port. If anything, just about any computer these days has a USB port.

And using IR for authentication, many modern phones and almost all modern PDAs will do; all you need to do is plug an IR dongle costing a few dollars (in quantity) into the USB port. And IR can be made interference proof much more easily than sound.

Sheesh, there's got to be more to this (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960396)

Thieves will be unable to use the card because even if they knew the password they would have to be able to copy the owner's voice with a high degree of accuracy.

It's a good thing that mankind has never developed technology able to record voices to a high degree of accuracy.

Mary had a little lamb, it's fleece was white as snow. And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go. Ha, Ha, Ha.

Bubba Smith (2, Funny)

Stopmotioncleaverman (628352) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960400)

Remember Bubba Smith [imdb.com]? He'd have to love this..seriously, the guy could impersonate *anything* in Police Academy.

SHOPOWNER: 'Please verify your card, Mr. Smith."
HIGHTOWER: *Squawk*
SHOPOWNER: 'Thanks'

Cha-ching!

Re:Bubba Smith (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960496)

Bubba Smith was not the impression guy...you're thinking of Michael Winslow [imdb.com].

-AC

Why make the card so smart? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960430)

3x the size! Why not go for putting the voice readers in the cash registers and soda machines and the cards can simply store the biometrics. Also stress analyzers should monitor for inevitable coercive forces that muggers will apply to cardholders.

Potential problems... (5, Insightful)

cagle_.25 (715952) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960449)

...seem fairly obvious. First, if one of these devices is at a public terminal, it wouldn't be hard at all to get a .wav record of the transaction; then, I have your password FOR LIFE!

Second, if someone's voice is drastically altered, (s)he would have to find a way to prove identity outside of the voice recognition system.

Third, any technology that might let me verify someone's voiceprint could also be used to generate a false voiceprint. A simple tape recording of you talking could be enough to forge your voice electronically. (Hmmm... cool plot possibilities for a Tom Clancey thriller)

Fourth, my (hypothetical) twin, who probably has an almost-identical voiceprint, is not necessarily to be trusted.

Re:Potential problems... (2, Interesting)

clone22 (252516) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960813)

If the same password were asked for all the time then there is a higher risk of compromise. The way authentication works is that you are asked to say a word/phrase and you have to say what is in the grammar that the interpreter is expecting to hear and the voice print must match. Number sequences are easier to get a match for, grammar wise. But, they also make it easier to spoof, since you could dial in a number sequence in your Palm Pilot with 0.wav .. 9.wav and play it. Also, the sampling rate when recording the .wav needs to be pretty high.

Fingerprints? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960466)

How easy would it be to put square sensor in the corner that verifies your fingerprint? It wouldn't take away from the time it makes the transaction since you're holding the card anyway.

Wait. Uh, forget I said that...

Welcome to the dreaded brave new world of checkout (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960572)

"Voice check in aisle 5! Voice check in aisle 5! Would the manager please come to the front registers."

You know what... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8960605)

I'll just take my chances with credit card fraud. With the current zero-liability policies of most issuers, or the $50/card legal limit, I can afford it.

Merchants can afford to take their chances, too. According to that well-known radical organ, The Wall Street Journal, credit card fraud amounts to $0.06/$100 of overall charges. Oh, the humanity! You can see why merchants spend so very much time whinging about a massive 0.06% loss rate.

Stupid Mistakes Doomed to repeat them selves (1)

Nikker (749551) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960688)

Ok.....
Lemme get this straight, you say something into this device and if it is successfull it gives you a 'skwak'....
almost like back in the 'good ol days' when all this hacking started ie 2600Hz tone started all this
Only diffrence is we dont have to worry about comming up with new fangled ways of immitating the squak with resistors and speakers.
Mc Fly .... Hello Mc Fly !!

Colds? (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960727)

This is a bad idea, what this would mean is that if you have a cold, have dental work done or go hoarse you would be unable to make purchases until the ailment subsided.

Do you want to be denied your Niquill purchase at 2am because some piece of plastic with a chip couldn't recognize your voice?

3 times as big? (4, Funny)

secondsun (195377) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960762)

My company is making a new creditcard system too. Our card will feature the CinderBlock (TM) theft prevention system. Essentially using the latest technolodgies we have embedded a magstip on a 16'x6'x8' piece of concrete. Its weight alone makes a quick snatch from an unsuspecting individual that much more unlikely. And in the event of a successful theft it features ValueBlast brand thermite and a OnStar(TM) accessible detonator. One push of a button and some poor theif just lost his arm, but your credit is secure.

Please call 1-800-URB-ROKE for more information.

Celeste Biever? (1)

Johnny Mnobflaps (662730) | more than 9 years ago | (#8960835)

Is it just me, or does she not have an awesome pornstar name?

Sounds like NewScientist (oops, I even just typed NewScientits the first time) has got even more pop-science (Check Out This Quantum Action!) than it used to be.

Why the password? (1)

tmillard (757681) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961192)

Have the people type there password and have the voice system be as a second mesure for security.

Some questions arize (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961219)

1. If you have to "say your password" at each atm to use your card, isn't that less save? Now they have to put up a cam and find a way to copy your card. (pin / card). A cam seems harder to install then a audio recording device.(the article states there is a high accuracy recording of the voice needed, which is possible so to be considered)

2. If I'm drunk and I want to get money, my voice will sound somewhat different. (same with different moods which alter the voice somewhat) will I be able to use my CC or will I have to try "different intonations" like with the cellphone voicedailing systems I have been struggling with? certainly cause there's stated the record has to be "high quality".

I guess it sounded good on paper... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#8961269)

Yeah, just what I have always wanted to do. Walk into a store, whip out something the size of an Apple Newton, hold it in front of my face and yell out my password. All while drawing attention to my purchase of Vaseline and the lastest issue of Swank magazine.

I think that a passive fingerprint scan while you swipe the card would be the best way to go.

Won't work for me and those who can't talk... (2, Insightful)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961308)

I have a speech impediment and this technology wouldn't work for me very well. :(

authentication squark (1)

fozzmeister (160968) | more than 9 years ago | (#8961347)

or alternatively, steal card, disable card, speak, have mp3 player hooked up to speakers in pocket that squaks like card, perfect.
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