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Google's Gmail Goes Into Beta for Blogger Users

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the a-gig-will-cover-ya-for-awhile dept.

The Internet 350

deadpixel writes "Gmail, the 1gb webmail service offered by Google, has gone into beta. Blogger (owned by google) users have first crack at the service. Besides the massive storage, the free service boasts a sophisticated spam filter, no pop-ups/banners, and gives you search results relevant to the emails you receive automatically. Bring on those attachments!"

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Details? (2, Interesting)

salimma (115327) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965086)

Is Google contacting Blogger users, or are all Blogger users eligible to be beta testers? I have a Blogger account and I can't log in to GMail..

Re:Details? (5, Informative)

kbsingh (138659) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965165)

login to the blogger account, and if you are amongst the selected - there will be a message to indicate an 'invite to try gmail' on the right side of the screen.

Not all blogger users have been invited. And people who are joining blogger now after the announcement are not getting accounts.

Re:Details? (1, Informative)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965361)

login to the blogger account, and if you are amongst the selected - there will be a message to indicate an 'invite to try gmail' on the right side of the screen.

That's indeed how it was for me; strange thing is, that invitation is still there now that I've joined gmail.

You can't create more than one account, though (well, maybe I can cheat somehow but I haven't put too much effort into it).

Re:Details? (4, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965370)

Not all blogger users have been invited. And people who are joining blogger now after the announcement are not getting accounts.

As their announcement says:

As an active Blogger user, we would like to invite you to be one of the first to try out Google's new email service, Gmail.

Would you like to give it a whirl? YES / NO

Re:Details? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965326)

blogger blogger blogger... you asshole

Re:Details? (3, Informative)

generic-man (33649) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965427)

You need to have an "active" Blogger account. When I logged in last week, I saw this invitation message [weill.org] . I hadn't used my account in a week or so, but Blogger considered me "active" enough to deserve an invite.

BLOGGER? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965087)

Can I just signup for blogger now and get access to it? :)

1st post =PPPPPPP

OMG, J00 SI T3H GH3Y FOR FAILING IT!!!!!111 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965113)

wow. you suck.. you failed it misserably....

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Not for all Blogger users... (4, Informative)

verbatim_verbose (411803) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965096)

Don't get too excited and go run and create a blogger account to get in. It seems that it only works for those that are currently "active" blogger users already. (Though nobody really knows what defines active.)

Re:Not for all Blogger users... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965307)

Dammit! what the hell am I supposed to do with this useless Blogger account now?

ANUSES CHEESES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965100)

You need to be an active blogger (5, Informative)

maddu (522722) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965104)

You need to be an active blogger to get access to GMail. I have multiple Blogger accounts. But they gave me access only in those accounts where I have been active lately.

Re:You need to be an active blogger (2, Interesting)

netsharc (195805) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965190)

Wow, I got in too! I feel so special! :) Haha.. and I don't even blog that often.

Hmm, it doesn't work with Opera, so I told Opera to fake being IE, but it needs ActiveX enabled on IE.. oh well, better load up Mozilla.

Re:You need to be an active blogger (1)

Echnin (607099) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965231)

How about faking Mozilla?

Re:You need to be an active blogger (1)

STrinity (723872) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965349)

Works in Firefox ... once I installed the latest version of Java, something I've managed to avoid for the last four years.

Re:You need to be an active blogger (4, Interesting)

boredMDer (640516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965215)

I haven't blogged in...wow, 2 months I guess, and I had the ad when I signed in.

Sadly, I've moved to LJ.

But yes, haven't blogged in a while, merely logged in to get a GMail account, and the ad was there.

1gig? (3, Interesting)

RobertTaylor (444958) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965107)

"1 000 megabytes = 0.9765625 gigabytes"

says google. [google.co.uk]

Other way round from google (3, Insightful)

RobertTaylor (444958) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965126)

1 gigabyte = 1 024 megabytes

Bang on and correct :) I suppose its how you ask the question :)

Cheers,
rob.

Re:1gig? (5, Informative)

cybotix (605849) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965136)

actually the correct term for 1,024 bytes is mebibyte, for 1,048,576 bytes is gibibyte. mega/giga are decimal prefixes, so 1 megabyte = 1000 bytes, and 1000 megabytes = 1 gigabyte. (google calculator is using the old convention)

Re:1gig? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965173)

Actually, those terms sound stupid as hell. I'll die proud before ever casually saying gay shit like 'gibibyte'.

Re:1gig? (4, Funny)

h00dLuM (630451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965314)

So how many jibibytes I need to fire up the Delorean and go back to 1985?

Re:1gig? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965357)

no jackass --- you can't just make up your own units

Re:1gig? (5, Informative)

Z-MaxX (712880) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965404)

no jackass --- you can't just make up your own units
Ah, but he's not. Internation System of Units (SI) Binary Prefixes [nist.gov]

Be bold and be proud of your geekdom! Say "mebibytes" and "gibibytes" in public!!

Re:1gig? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965384)

Who died and made you king of stupidity? 1 megabyte = 1,000,000 bytes, 1 mebibyte = 1,048,576 bytes, and 1 gibibyte = 1,073,741,824 bytes.

Re:1gig? (1)

IWannaBeAnAC (653701) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965388)

Yeah, but does anyone think that those names don't suck?

Re:1gig? (3, Insightful)

MochaMan (30021) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965415)

In language, what is correct is a matter of widespread adoption, not what someone says is 'correct'. While it's technically 'incorrect' to use punctuation like ;) in the middle of a sentence, everyone does it, and I would guess that very few people would consider it incorrect these days. Same goes for the widespread (and one might say 'incorrect') use of 'was' instead of 'were' as the English subjunctive, particularly in the US -- eg. If I was a little less fervent about 24 bytes, I wouldn't be posting to slashdot.

Personally, I haven't seen any indication that anyone has adopted 'gibi' and 'mebi' as anything but ridiculous and pedantic terms, but best of luck on your crusade. I agree that it would be nice to see some kind of distiction, but 24 bytes here and there when you're measuring in megs or gigs... not a problem!

Re:1gig? (1)

Phs2501 (559902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965149)

I'm kind of surprised the Google calculator doesn't use the SI prefixes - they seem pretty interested in correctness elsewhere. (I realize that using SI prefixes for data storage is a pretty recent and controversial definition of "correctness." Still, google has mebibytes and gibibytes in the calculator, so you'd think a megabyte would be different.)

Re:1gig? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965182)

Oh, you mean like this [google.co.uk] ?

Re:1gig? (4, Informative)

mubar (676606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965292)

True, it'd be nice if MiB and GiB became standard. For the record, this link [nist.gov] explains the actual SI standards and binary multiples.

Re:1gig? (5, Informative)

AlecC (512609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965390)

This is a piece of distortion introduced by disk drive manufacturers. I think Connor (now expired) first introduced it, at the time that disk drives in the low number of gigabytes were appearing. They started sizing drives with a gigabyte counted as 1000 honest Megabytes. I think Connor needed to do it because with honest gigabytes, their drive (a rotten, unreliable one it turned out to be) would not make the 4 Gigabyte mark, though everybody elses's did. To their shame, the other drive nanufacturers followed. So for all disk drives, a Gigabyte now meant 10^3*2^20, not 2^30. A sad world, my masters.

Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (5, Insightful)

Notorious B.I.G Bird (774065) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965115)

This is being blown so far out of proportion. Seriously. As countless others have said, our email is scanned all the time by third parties for spam and viruses.

If you have concerns about Google scanning your email to place unobstrusive, sometimes-actually-useful text advertisements next to your email, then there is a solution. DON'T FLIPPING USE IT! That's all there is too it!

The thing that I'M concerned about is if they pull a similar move that Apple did with mac.com accounts. "Oh yah they'll be free forever", then two years later, once everyone is hooked on free @mac.com email addresses, they turn around and say they're going to charge $99 dollars per year. Excuse me? I dont think so. My mac.com email was my main email for nearly two years and as soon as they pulled that shit, I cancelled my account, bought my own domain, and now have free email for life. Apple was hoping that users would pay because they had been using that email address as their main email and wouldnt want to switch. Well it didnt work on me and yo should have read the mac message boards when this happened. People were pissed!

I do think Gmail is a cool idea. Being able to store a gig of email so you (as an average user anyways) never have to delete email and have the best search engine in the world to search through old emails is awesome. But what if their idea is to get you hooked so you wont ever want to give it up, then start charging a fee for it? Even though it is worth probably $100/year, I would tell them to shove their bill up their ass and move on. This is why I won't use Gmail.

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (4, Insightful)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965154)

what if their idea is to get you hooked so you wont ever want to give it up,
>then start charging a fee for it?

Duh. When Google has its IPO it officially becomes evil. Very few corporations adhere to their founding values when they must answer to shareholders. Google should just remain private. After you have 5 to 10 or 20 megs of e-mail stored on Google servers, are you just going to get up and walk away if/when they decide to bill you?

Anti-IPO is trolling now? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965234)

Why do posts criticizing Google's IPO get modded as trolling?

Re:Anti-IPO is trolling now? (1, Insightful)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965265)

Because:

"When Google has its IPO it officially becomes evil. Very few corporations adhere to their founding values when they must answer to shareholders. Google should just remain private."

Ranting about how money is evil is troll-like.

And I'm sure more than a few moderators are offended by the viewpoint that no one should ever make money, and everyone should give everything away for free. That's not how the world works.

Re:Anti-IPO is trolling now? (4, Insightful)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965295)

Reread my post. I said "IPO" not "money." Being a public company means you answer to shareholders and give up a good measure of your independence. Reread that last sentence. I didn't use the word "money." This is not a new concept, and is a belief held by many people.

So what if moderators are offended by my viewpoint? Disagreement = invalid? It's an abuse of the moderation system to mod people down simply because you disagree.

Re:Anti-IPO is trolling now? (0)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965366)

I said "IPO" not "money."

Arguing semantics doesn't fundamentally change the meaning of what you wrote.

This is not a new concept, and is a belief held by many people.

People may hold the view that IPO's are not a good idea. However, I am going to argue that most people do not hold your view that IPOs are "evil". Use of the word "evil" in pretty much ANY context (especially on Slashdot) borders on ridiculous, and is fair game for ridicule -- and hence, moderation downward.

Being a public company means you answer to shareholders and give up a good measure of your independence.

Not true, at all. For example, if I offer 1% of my company publicly and retain the other 99%, why do I have to answer to the 1%? I have a controlling interest, they don't, and if the other 1% doesn't like what I do, they can SELL.

World Wrestling Entertainment, as an example, operates this way. Vince McMahon (chairman) has said on numerous occasions that if you buy WWE stock, you are buying into HIS vision, and there is no room to try to impose YOUR vision on his company.

So what if moderators are offended by my viewpoint?

That's basically the point of Troll (-1) is to stop offensive (or offensively lame) posts...

Disagreement = invalid? It's an abuse of the moderation system to mod people down simply because you disagree.

That makes no sense -- following that logic, modding someone UP because you AGREE with them would also be an abuse of the moderation system. Yet, you have to agree with someone to find their thoughts Insightful or even Interesting.

Not everyone is as evil as apple (2, Insightful)

ev1lcanuck (718766) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965162)

The "evil empire" Microsoft has kept hotmail [hotmail.com] running for free for ages. Yahoo, I'm sure it's some sort of evil empire, has kept their free mail [yahoo.com] running for ages too. I could also list many other sites that give out free email addresses such as myownemail.com [myownemail.com] . I doubt Google would go and charge for gmail, although they might turn that 1gb file storage way down you'll probably still have your gmail address if you want it - just with more like 50mb space or what have you.

Re:Not everyone is as evil as apple (0, Troll)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965186)

Microsoft is a poor example of free e-mail. M$ is swimming in money from a nearly all-powerful position. And Yahoo is evil, unless you enjoy reaffirming that you don't want to receive its marketing e-mails.

While Google is great and making a profit, it is still weak. No? They wouldn't be eyeing an IPO if they were rock solid. If you can do everything you want with the money you have, you have no reason to become a public company that answers to shareholders.

Re:Not everyone is as evil as apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965241)

Say Fleener, seems like you have an enemy with mod points. FWIW, I got both those "trolls" in meta-mod, and marked them unfair.

Re:Not everyone is as evil as apple (1)

AlecC (512609) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965422)

While Google is great and making a profit, it is still weak. No? They wouldn't be eyeing an IPO if they were rock solid. If you can do everything you want with the money you have, you have no reason to become a public company that answers to shareholders.

Yes they would. The venture capitalists put money in, and at some time they want money out, several times over. Page and Brin may think as you say, but they are not the only shareholders in Google Inc. VCs usually have a three to seven year timescale: they want their money back in seven years. Google is about five: the VCs will be dropping hints.

Re:Not everyone is as evil as apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965264)

Sigh. Why do posts criticizing Google's IPO get modded as trolling?

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (1)

Dolentron 3030 (572903) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965175)

So how little would the surprise cost of Gmail have to be in order to keep you using it? Or any of you, for that matter?

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (1)

vegetablespork (575101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965277)

Zero. If gmail starts charging, I've got plenty of space on my own box.

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965338)

Gmail AFAIK hasn't made the free-for-life claim that Apple did about their service.

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (5, Insightful)

jdreed1024 (443938) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965194)

This is being blown so far out of proportion. Seriously. As countless others have said, our email is scanned all the time by third parties for spam and viruses.

If you have concerns about Google scanning your email to place unobstrusive, sometimes-actually-useful text advertisements next to your email, then there is a solution. DON'T FLIPPING USE IT! That's all there is too it!

Seriously. A friend of mine went into a rant about this the other day, and I pointed out that he has a hotmail account. It boggles the mind that people would trust Microsoft, which is KNOWN to have questionable (if any) ethics and morals, and yet be suspicious of Google, which is known to have good ethics and morals (ie: refusing to accept payment for search result ranking, and penalizing folks who purposely try to manipulate the results for personal gain).

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (5, Insightful)

x4A6D74 (614651) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965229)

Y'know, it's not like it's horribly difficult to block those ads anyway. I use Firefox with the AdBlock extension, and generally speaking those google ads show up in their own iframe ... which AdBlock is smart enough to block. So my systems all have "advertisements.google.com" (or whatever it is -- haven't had to look at it in a long time) in their blacklist. Thus, if I had gmail, my mail would still be scanned, but I wouldn't have to deal with the ads. So while the privacy concerns may still exist, at least the second half of the problem is gone.

And honestly, as my dad was quick to admonish me in my younger days, "email is like a postcard." There's nothing to stop a bazillion people from reading it somewhere between the initial and final servers. So if you don't want your email to be read, you should already be enciphering it. It's that simple. Anything I have to send to someone that I seriously do not want anyone else to read, I encrypt -- and if they don't have PGP, I make 'em get it (generally, the people I truly need security with understand the desire for security and are willing to cooperate).

So am I surprised that Gmail can/will scan your email? No. Does it bother me? No -- because they won't be able to scan my private messages anyway.

--0x4A6D74

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (1)

h00dLuM (630451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965275)

Most people consider their email private.

Walk by anyone's monitor and see which app they minimize first, it is usually an email. Personalised text ads will have an obscenely high click-through rate. I doubt Google will ever have to directly charge users a cent.

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (1)

PowerBook2k (312576) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965304)

Okay, since you've copy and pasted someone else's post [slashdot.org] here, I'll copy and paste my reply to that post.

Where and when, precisely, did anyone at Apple say that mac.com email would be "free forever"?
The iTools Membership Agreement and Acceptable Use Policy [archive.org] certainly doesn't. In fact it says very clearly:

Apple may change, suspend or discontinue any (or all) aspects of iTools at any time, including the availability of any iTools feature or content. Apple may also impose limits on the use of or access to certain features or portions of iTools, including a charge for or imposition of a subscription or other fee for use of iTools or any part or feature of iTools, or restrict your access to any part or all of iTools, in all cases without notice or liability.
(Emphasis mine) Which is exactly what they did- they discontinued iTools (free) and created .Mac (pay) in its' place. In fact, according to the policy, they were fully within their rights to simply make iTools a pay service.

Nothing lasts forever, particularly when it's free.

Re:Privacy is not my main concern with Gmail (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965350)

this is slashdot. everything should be free and agreements dont matter unless they are the GPL. What am i hinting at? well notice the apple itunes story near this one? same thing. If you dont like the terms of a service, dont use it. it is as simple as that.
Someone else using it does not hurt you if they like it and dont care about any "harm" that comes form it, why should you get all worried about it?
Hmm the way people are talking about Gmail and itunes, you would think they are talking about drugs. You know, its bad, i dont use it you shouldnt either... of course in the case of drugs it is addictive and a life-death thing... i dont know if you can say the same about Gmail and itunes.

1GB of porn ads? (4, Funny)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965119)

> search results relevant to the emails

So Google is going to show me penis enlargement and nude cheerleader search links every time I receive spam?

Re:1GB of porn ads? (1)

Indiges (701323) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965137)

Not to mention the possibilities if this is used in combination with Google Images ;-)

Re:1GB of porn ads? (4, Funny)

ironicsky (569792) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965142)

Google's just trying to help. I mean, how else are you going to know when new porn sites open

Re:1GB of porn ads? (1)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965159)

> So Google is going to show me penis enlargement and nude cheerleader search links every time I receive spam?

RTF Abstract: "the free service boasts a sophisticated spam filter"

So basically, you'll not be getting much spam, if any.

Re:1GB of porn ads? (2, Funny)

siriuskase (679431) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965176)

but what if you actually want this type of email? Can you customize the filter to fit your own idea of spam?

Re:1GB of porn ads? (1)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965217)

Hahaha, you're being serious, aren't you? No spam filter is worth a hill of beans if it doesn't have a challenge/response system. Unless Google has made a deal with the devil. Has it? Oh wait, that pesky looming IPO...

Re:1GB of porn ads? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965369)

No, but they will when your girlfriend dumps you because of your small penis.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL GMAIL USERS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965125)

I had a firm and grandular poop today. I was very constipated, and the majority of my dump was a thick, long, juicy turd with lots of gas. It fell very slowly out of my quivering balloon knot of love, but as it massaged my prostate with its textured ribbed-like nodules I got an immense, rock-hard raging boner and began to beat off before the turd was even halfway out.

Got this yesterday (5, Informative)

boredMDer (640516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965129)

Yesterday I signed in to BlogSpot just to check for this, and when you log in to the main page, on the right hand side there is a GMail ad.

Click yes, answer yes to all of the questions that follow, and you have your very own GMail account.

I have had this for what, 24 hours now I guess, and GMail is the best webmail interface I've ever seen.

The one thing I don't like so far is that links, elinks, or links2 don't work with it. They do support javascript AFAIK which is what GMail is basically comprised of, but that's my only gripe.

Can't wait for POP or, preferably, IMAP access. Even more preferably, IMAP over SSL.

Re:Got this yesterday (2, Insightful)

volsung (378) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965164)

I should hope that no one implementing an IMAP system in this WiFi-enabled world would forget to use SSL. :)

Re:Got this yesterday (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965193)

I think it would be a good idea if they worked with one of the up and coming alternative OS's to do a tie-in with their e-mail client. That would be a good way to give competition to MS Outlook offering the user to sign up for an MSN account.

Re:Got this yesterday (0, Redundant)

bljohnson0 (114084) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965197)

Well I have a blogger account (thats not very active) and there's no "ad" for gmail and I've received no notice from Google about any GMail beta account. Lies I tell ya!!

Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965356)

The best you have seen?

Having the reply window on the screen is retarded. The address book is awful. Google mail feels very amateurish compared to the other webmail sites/packages out there. Perhaps this is one instance where they took simple too far.

What's in a name? (5, Funny)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965135)

Gmail really hits the Gspot. All you virgins can just look confused and mod me down.

Re:What's in a name? (3, Funny)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965208)

Gspot? Is that anywhere near the Gstring?

Spam Proof? (1)

ipour (177686) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965138)

I signed up for it,but I am not sure who I want to use it with. Maybe all those businesses who want an e-mail address? Let's find out if they REALLY mean they won't sell my address to spammers!!!

Re:Spam Proof? (1)

reconn (578681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965318)

Don't waste your gmail address on that: Mailinator [mailinator.com] .

damn... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965141)

gmail has more EMAIL storage than the entire hard drive on my email & web server.

I remember back when the first 1GB drives appeared, and I thought it crazy to get one, needing that much space then sounded insane

Now you can't GET 1GB drives any more

(old fogey reminiscing, don't mind me)

Re:damn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965183)

So you're what, 20 something?

Official? (1)

DiZASTiX (461280) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965155)

I am curious to learn more about what users of blogger.com they are offering this to. Seems pointless to me, they would have been better off having a sign-up to be a beta tester. I am sure that a lot of people who use blogger excessively and got an account wont do to well in beta-testing it for bugs. A handfull of them probably will not even use it. Is this even official? Where exactly was this information posted so blogger users that actually got an account know about it?

Re:Official? (1)

swdunlop (103066) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965201)

They've already had geeks testing it.. And friends of geeks.. Bloggers are their next lowest potential source of non-technical users, who are idea for last-phase testing of an application.

It's posted in an ad, visible to registered users.

Yeah, I know, ihbt..

Free? (0)

roryt (734173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965161)

They'll *have* to charge for it, eventually.

Re:Free? (1)

kbsingh (138659) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965188)

Why will they need to charge for it ? They have the most effective ( IMHO ) ad system going in with it. cost of storage and network is coming down.

Re:Free? (1)

gotmemory (732785) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965222)

yeah, and dont forget (how could you) the relavant text ads on every email.

Plus, its their service. They can change it and do whatever they want to get more money. They will probally even have a pro version that costs $$ without the text ads.

Actually,... (0, Redundant)

hshana (657854) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965177)

Friends of people who work for Google had first crack about two weeks ago. Just in case anybody wants to be jealous.

Jealous? Are you serious? (2, Interesting)

fleener (140714) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965204)

Jealous? We're supposed to live the hype and get excited about.... web e-mail? Just because it's provided by Google?

So far the only perk I've heard is 1GB storage. My computer has that, and when my broadband goes down, I can still access my stored mail. I'm getting by fine with the <1GB storage my existing free web mail account offers.

What other perks? Ads inserted into e-mails? No thanks. I don't need that intrusion.

heh.. (5, Informative)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965399)

i got it a few days ago. It is a cool service, but is it the best thing since sliced bread? nope.

I don't see why people think gmail's spam filter is all that great - so far (and this may be due to beta issues, a lack of training etc) its allowed about 50% of spam to my account through. I've got a couple spam infested accounts forwarding to gmail to test this out.

as for the ads, on most messages they're not even there and when they are they're very small and placed to the side of the page like google's search engine text ads. I don't even notice them. So its not like they're inserted into your mail really. And at least google doesn't attach "get your hotmail address now!" to the bottom of every outgoing email.

So while it is cool (the best feature is the seamless conversations), it's not going to be for everyone, or cause a mass exodus from existing mail services.

Re:Jealous? Are you serious? (1)

74nova (737399) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965419)

what about if you travel or have two(or more) machines you need to check email on? can you get your email then? one thing i like about this is that i wont need to get a usb drive. hell, a gig is more than i get on my slice of the CS dept server. anywhere i go, i get access to my gig of email with programs ive written and sent to myself, etc.

plus, if i get to use my m2 (opera's email dingy) then i can have my emails stored on my machine during access blackouts. since it leaves it on the server, any new machine i set up can have all those emails again without importing them from another machine.

to each his own. i dont like hype, but this seems like something i would really like. shoot, ill put up with "relevant" text ads so long as they dont blink at me, hehe.

Possibilities (4, Interesting)

Denial93 (773403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965224)

Can a beta tester please tell if the sending of very large attachments from one Gmail account to another is reasonably fast? Also, what is the maximum attachment size?

I don't think anyone knows yet what Google does with a new account that holds a single mail with a very large, PGP-encrypted attachment that curiously is accessed and downloaded from a wide range of different IPs, but if so, please tell.

10 mb attachment limit. (1)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965337)

How large message bodies can be I'm not sure, but I would assume they're also 10 mb. Perhaps the message total (text + attachment) is 10 mb.

How about those ad? (4, Interesting)

The Mutant (167716) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965243)

How to get them?

I've got a gmail account (thanks to Blogger), and also have a Google AdWords account.

I've been sending mail to my gmail account from another account, and including things that I thought *should* trigger a Google text ad - one of mine, no less and keywords that certainly do trigger a text ad from the main Google search page - dont. I haven't seen one yet.

During the Beta are they inhibiting the textads?

Anyone see an ad in the wild yet?

They're there (3, Interesting)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965355)

but not on every message. Interestingly, messages that once have had ads usually always will so its not like they come and go. But other messages don't trigger them.

Using the text of an entire message for ads requires a bit more computing than just a search query, so maybe they're trying to keep those down while in beta.

They're about as good as the ones for the regular search engine. I'm looking at a conversation i'd been having about jobs and internships and the ads it displayed were related to those.

Gmail vs. Spymac (5, Interesting)

cks3 (698800) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965252)

I set up one Gig accounts on both Gmail and SpyMac that I've had people sending attachments and emails to to see how they hadnle reaching a GIG. so far, Gmail is only up to 127MB and SpyMac is only at 27MB (but their servers would seem to be a day behind on listing my new email). So far, I have discovered that Gmail's spam filter has caught one actual spam message, and suddenly blocked 5 of 15 messages from one person with no clear reason why. Also, the ad bots only scan the body text of the emails, as all attachment only emails have been ad free. cksampleiii@gmail.com and cksample3@spymac.com if you are interested in contributing to the experiment.

The ad (4, Informative)

boredMDer (640516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965259)

For those who haven't seen it, I'll just show the ad here -

There's an image header - http://blogger.com/g-logo.gif

As an active Blogger user, we would like to invite you to be one of the first to try out Google's new email service, Gmail [google.com] .

Would you like to give it a whirl? YES / NO

The YES link opens up this page [blogspot.com]

The NO links pops an alert box saying 'Okay, this notice will be here for a few more days, should you change your mind.' or similar.

Re:The ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965319)

No worky here. Thanks anyway, though.

I signed up and read the TOS (3, Interesting)

saitoh (589746) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965266)

And while it states that they will can your account for sending and using your address to receive illicit information in one form or another, I'm tempted to push the envelope (since I dont need the account, I've got an edu account which is better for me).

As much as P2P has been demonized, there is one content that I can think of that is legal, and distrabution is encouraged, and thats concert recordings of bands that allow taping (see etree.org for more info). Each show typically runs between 700MB-> 1.5GB since its done in a lossless compressiong scheme.

So whats stopping me from having people get GMail accounts and then doing a CC to everyone who wants a show and doing a mass mailing (even if its broken into chunks).

I'm not looking for a technical answer, I'm curious about a legal one. (and thus, /. is the wrong place to ask. ;-p) The reason is, whats stopping people from using this for legal functions, but not the intended storage purpose as originally "intended".

Re:I signed up and read the TOS (1)

Denial93 (773403) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965332)

You're a beta tester, so beta test it. :-p I'm sure people on both sides of the legality fence can see the benefits of setting up what amounts to a free fileserver with gigabit upstream.

Using GMail for distro (1, Redundant)

Mitchua (755534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965289)

Can anyone explain to me why people are not going to use GMail to distribute 1GB warez or media files? Just email a 1GB attachment to a list of GMail users and you'll get to use Google's excellent connection to distribute whatever you want. How can they crack down on it without jepardizing the key feature of GMail: massive storage. If there was a 600MB transfer limit or something, how would I get my 1GB of mail on there in the first place?

BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LIMIT THE SIZE OF ATTACHMENTS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965311)

FAGGOT

Re:BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LIMIT THE SIZE OF ATTACHME (1)

Mitchua (755534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965321)

Whatever size they set it at, you just send RARs of that size. The key is that your mailbox can hold 1GB of them.

wtf is your problem you Anonymous Coward.

Re:BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LIMIT THE SIZE OF ATTACHME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965331)

Never thought of splitting files, have you? It's OK. Lots of other people on the Internet are mentally challenged, too.

Re:Using GMail for distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965425)

I login to the 100mbit server I have access to and then email it from there, of course. There's all sorts of warez shiznet on it only none of it's public unless you know where to look. Which, mind you, nobody does.

Opera, please? (0, Flamebait)

kyshtock (608605) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965301)

C'mon, Google! Write Opera compatible code. Ya know, the fastest browser on earth? So I can read acces the biggest webmail on earth? :)

Yeah, I know, there is another... duh

The Gmail scanner... (5, Informative)

Beautyon (214567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965309)

doesnt present any ads to you if the content of your email is a PGP encrypted message.

Re:The Gmail scanner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965343)

No kidding?

Out with the old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965348)

Saw the ad while logging to a blog I contribute in a few days ago, but only last friday had the time to actually try it out. First surprise: MacOS9 users need not apply. All supported browsers' versions need OSX. Working on a place where 9.2 is still entrenched for the long haul, this wasn't nice. Oh well, tried in on Panther at home: no Safari. Mmhh. Tried it on Netscape. Like the interface but haven't found any specifications on file attachments size.

Get your own GMAIL subscription! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965354)

I found a way to get a gmail account. It turns out that its just a simple boolean value in the signup page that gets set when you log in to the blogger. The bit is easily flipped so you can log into gmail. If you want to sign up for gmail, you can use my fourm generator (it just generates an HTML page for you to download and run locally so you don't have to worry about a 3rd party getting your password) over here at my place [nero-online.org]

Safari not supported? (4, Interesting)

rfernand79 (643913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965364)

Interesting, GMail currently does not support Safari. https://gmail.google.com/gmail/browser_requirement s.html You get a message on the sign in box saying that you can log in anyway, but your browser is not supported.

Conflict Of Interest (1)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 10 years ago | (#8965373)

With all these dam Google stories I'm starting to wonder if someone at Slashdot has a vested interest in Google.

Spare Account? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8965396)

If it's possible to set up a seperate pwd for GMail and Blogger then I'll take any spare accounts going.

shaun.lownes(a)lycos.co.uk

Thanking You

Shaun.
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