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Scribus 1.1.6 Reviewed

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the finicky-but-great dept.

Software 201

TrialOfFire points out MadPenguin's review (with helpful screenshots) of Scribus 1.1.6, which attempts to answer "what is Scribus really like? Can anyone just pick it up and use it? Is it really as powerful as they say it is? And does it live up to the hype surrounding it?"

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Site slashdotted. Google cache here. (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Site slashdotted. Google cache here. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970870)

Today's trolls are really sad: they're either a bunch of ever-repeating bad ascii art, reposts, or a collection of offensive words that make no sense whatsoever (but they're offensive words egh egh, it's so funnu uhr urh).

Where have the good trolls of the past gone? those subtly misinformative ones, always on topic but always wrong or flat out nonsensical, but always modded +5 by idiot moderators? Those trolls were much better than the script kiddy idiocies the likes of the above post...

Re:Site slashdotted. Google cache here. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970953)

boobies

poop

semprini

yes !!!! (-1, Redundant)

lemonjus (717606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970820)

first post !!

Somebody mirror this site please.
Its going down

Killer app it isn't (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970826)

who recently proclaimed Scribus to be one of "Free Software's Killer Applications"

Oh yes yes sure... but when will they learn? the *only* free software killer application is here [gnu.org] . And I should know, it very nearly killed me.

Oh and by the way, I'm sure it can do desktop publishing too some way or another...

(old joke) It would be a nice OS... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970867)

...if it included a good text editor.

Re:(old joke) It would be a nice OS... (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971080)

If someone would just port EDLIN to it I'd be happy. :)

But surely this [gnu.org] is the ultimate open source program.

usability (-1, Flamebait)

geighaus (670864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970828)

According to this review the usability of this product is only 2 stars out of 5. Seems like poor usability and linux-based products will go hand in hand for a long time.

Re:usability (5, Funny)

Hewligan (202585) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970849)

Spoken like a man who's never had to use Quark Xpress.

Re:usability (5, Informative)

baryon351 (626717) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970878)

According to this review the usability of this product is only 2 stars out of 5. Seems like poor usability and linux-based products will go hand in hand for a long time.

Oh it sounds like it's a perfect drop-in replacement for QuarkXPress :)

For all its excellence with output (and when I used it, it worked well) Quark is certainly not an example of brilliant, or even good UI design. Takes a lot of time and a lot of knowledge of the little hidden and non-obvious keycommands to use well.

Re:usability (1)

Beautyon (214567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971145)

For all its excellence with output (and when I used it, it worked well) Quark is certainly not an example of brilliant, or even good UI design.

QuarkXpress is the best layout programme ever. It is difficult to learn, but once you learn it, using it is simplicity itself. Its power is astonishing. It is ouput second to none. Anyone who remembers the thrill of being able to set the background color to none of an item knows why QuarkXpress is so beloved.

It is extensible in ways and with third pary support that other programs only dream about. Look at "La Redout" and the other 4 inch thick catalogues. They are all produced with Quark, via an extension that connects your Xpress file with your huge database of catalogue items, including photos prices and everything else. That is sex.

Quark Xpress is like Autocad. Autocad is not number one without reason, and it too has a learning curve as steep as the Matterhorn. Once you master it though, you can build anything based on its output, from Beyblades to the replacement for the Twin Towers.

Some things in life are hard, and they are worth mastering if you love your art, in the case of Quark Xpress, setting type.

Re:usability (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971202)

But the fact that parent made (parent never said Quark sucks, and I don't either), UI sucks still remains.

If software has long learning curve, then it has bad UI, simple and well made GUI leads user to faster learning curve. Well Quark is far from that example.

Ah but: (5, Interesting)

MrZaius (321037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970829)

Does it answer this one?
What the hell is it?

Might have been nice to mention that in the /. post, too.

Re:Ah but: (5, Informative)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970853)

What the hell is it?
from the Scibus site:

1.1 What is Scribus?

Scribus is a desktop page layout program in the tradition of Corel Ventura®, Quark Xpress®, PageMaker® and InDesign®

Since its launch in the spring of 2001, Scribus 1.+ offers Linux and Unix users a versatile and user friendly page layout application. Scribus 1.0 and its recent development versions are being used in a number of ways; from brochure design to newsletters and posters to technical documentation. Scribus has the type of the features one would expect in a sophisticated page layout application. You can do all the typical tasks like precision placing and rotating of text and/or images on a page, specify manual kerning of type and much more. With the release of Scribus 1.0, Linux and Unix users now have one more high quality application for the desktop, making it the premier choice for DTP on Linux or BSD with other platforms to come.

Underneath the modern and user friendly interface, Scribus supports professional publishing features, such as CMYK color and a simple color management system to soft proof images destined for high quality color printing, Other features include flexible PDF creation options, PDF Import, Encapsulated Postscript import/export and creation of 4 color separations. Scribus also supports via freetype Unicode text including right to left scripts such as Arabic and Hebrew.

Graphic formats which can be placed in Scribus include Encapsulated Post Script (eps), TIFF(Joint Photographic Experts Group (JPEG), Portable Network Graphics (png) and XPixMap(xpm) Scribus now also handles any bit map file type supported by QT3.

Printing, PDF and SVG creation are via custom driver libraries and plug-ins, giving Scribus inventive features: the abilities to include presentation effects with PDF output, fully scriptable interactive PDF forms, SVG vector file output. The internal printer drivers fully support Level 2 and Level 3/PDF 1.4 postscript features including transparency and font embedding. The PDF driver from Scribus can embed fonts for postscript printing and you can use and output high resolution EPS files.

Other useful features include manual kerning of type, rotating object frames, bezier curves polygons, precision placement of objects, layering with RGB and CMYK custom colors. The Scribus document file format is XML, an open source standard file format, a super set of SGML. Unlike proprietary binary file formats, even damaged documents, can be recovered with a simple text editor - sometimes a challenging problem with other page layout programs.

When run from KDE , Drag and Drop is enabled. Thus, for example you can drag and drop from the desktop to the canvas easily. There is easy to use drag and drop scrapbook, which can contain frequently used items including text blocks, pictures and custom shaped frames. Scribus will also run most any window manager including Gnome and Blackbox without difficulties.

Re:Ah but: (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970869)

It's a new tradition.

Foo 1.0 has been released. It's been proclaimed the new killer app. killer Funion states that stability has increased exponentially and that it passes the grandma test. Ken at Bargain Hardware states that it installed very easily, and it was a perfect replace for his old program, "bar". He can now accomplish twice the production and efficiency has increased 200%. Mamba Joe, the developer of Foo, expects 2.0 to be released tomorrow. Here's to Mountain Dew!

New Record (1, Redundant)

mustangsal66 (580843) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970835)

Article's 4 minutes old and madpenguin has already seen the slashdot effect.

Re:New Record (1)

Yeochee (586401) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970903)

Yes, those screenshots are really helpful.

Re:New Record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970949)

That's not a new record. There's been cases where first post has been "Already down! Anyone got a mirror?" -- and it was true!

Shit, 4 minutes.. that's an eternity in slashdotting time.

Re:New Record (5, Insightful)

eyeye (653962) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970970)

Thanks to TrialOfFire's retarded news post they have been slashdotted by lots of people just trying to find out what the fuck the program is/does.

A better question (4, Insightful)

woodhouse (625329) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970837)

"what is Scribus really like?"

What about the more common question: "what is Scribus"? The uninformative summary doesn't help; neither does the slashdotted site.

Re:A better question (3, Informative)

tijnbraun (226978) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970844)

"what is Scribus really like?"
Here a link to their homepage [altmuehlnet.de]

Re:A better question (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971060)

or the newer one [scribus.net] .

Re:A better question (4, Funny)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971112)

But I want to know what Scribus is really like when no one's around and he can stop pretending and just be himself. I want to get to know the real Scribus, not the mere shell you read about in the tabloids.

Re:A better question (5, Informative)

scribusdocs (689789) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971189)


That is the older one. The new one is Scribus Home Page [scribus.net]

Re:A better question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970847)

What about the more common question: "what is Scribus"? The uninformative summary doesn't help; neither does the slashdotted site.

But not everybody is uninformed as you are. I know what Scribus is, but just because you don't doesn't mean everybody else is like you, so don't be so smug and google about it yourself, fuckstick...

Re:A better question (1)

zero_offset (200586) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970848)

That ought to make it pretty easy to live up to the hype...

Re:A better question (4, Informative)

wookyhoo (700289) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970858)

Here's some "useful" info: Scribus - Layout program similar to Adobe PageMaker [icewalkers.com]

Basically:

"Scribus is a Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker(TM), QuarkXPress(TM) or Adobe® InDesign(TM), except that it is published under the GNU GPL. Currently, it is still in its early stages of development, but rapidly maturing and very useable. Already, it has the ability to layout newsletters, create corporate stationery, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality imagesetting equipment. You can do all the typical tasks like placing and rotating text and/or images on a page, specify manual kerning of type and much more. While the goals of the program are for ease of use and simple easy to understand tools, Scribus offers support for professional publishing features, such as CMYK color, easy PDF creation, Encapsulated Postscript import/export and creation of color separations. Graphic formats which can be placed include Ecapsulated Post Script (eps), Joint Photographic Experts Group (jpeg), Portable Network Graphics (png) and XPixMap(xpm)."

Re:A better question (3, Informative)

Doctor O (549663) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970956)

OK, I can't read the review as it is slashdotted, but actually I have no idea what a professional DTP application needs JPEG or PNG support for as you need CMYK output if you want to use this professionally. (Please spare me the "but Photoshop saves CMYK JPEGs". Thank you.)

Also, just "having" PostScript output doesn't mean it's useful. XPress has EPS export for ages, yet we are still waiting for USABLE PostScript files written by XPress, leave alone *syntactically correct* PostScript. XPress can't even properly import its own EPS files, 'nuff said.

I'd really like to see a nice DTP application for Linux, maybe this is it. Mind you, I'm a professional designer, so I've used most tools on the market at one time or another, and I've yet to come across something which is usable for all daily tasks. Every app so far is only good for some cases.

Re:A better question (-1, Informative)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971087)

Obviously you don't know shit about what you talk about.

Do you even know what is the real difference between postscript an eps?? In common basics one line and preview (besides the fact that encapsulated eps is limited to one page).

EPS allows you to have preview which postscript doesn't. That's the most of it.

Steps to make handmade eps
1. Print single page in ascii postcript
2. Open in simple ascii editor
3. Paste %!PS-Adobe-X.0 EPSF-X.0 as the first line
4. Save
5. ???Profit

Now even if your program doesn't support importing ps (but does eps), you can simply import this new file. Yes, preview will be unavailable in quark and similiar software.

Re:A better question (-1, Flamebait)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970859)

It's a layout/desktop publishing app, meant to be a replacement of Quark XPress.

Like Gimp over Photoshop, Scribus walks all over Quark.

Re:A better question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970893)

Hehehe, is it negative day today?

Re:A better question (1)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970914)

It's easy to criticize when all you're doing is following other's past actions. You've obviously used neither.

Re:A better question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970986)

Following other's [sic] past actions? You mean like Gimp ripping off Photoshop? LOL, you're truly confused today.

Re:A better question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971089)

"LOL" reminds me uncomfortably of "loll", and thus of someone with a snapped neck trying to laugh. Stop it, you were taught better.

Re:A better question (1)

ratsnapple tea (686697) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971065)

"Like Gimp over Photoshop, Scribus walks all over Quark."

Is this like when you said [slashdot.org] "I mean really how many large annoying companies are around that were around in the 1920s for example???? None!" ?

I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or just stupid. Pardon my boorishness.

Re:A better question (3, Informative)

vossman77 (300689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970862)

What about the more common question: "what is Scribus"? The uninformative summary doesn't help; neither does the slashdotted site.

From the website:
Scribus is a Page Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe® InDesign, except that it is published under the GNU GPL.


With the release of Scribus 1.1.6, Linux and Unix desktop users have a user friendly, but powerful Desktop Publishing application capable of a broad set of DTP needs. Started with humble beginnings as a Python program to make menus, Scribus has been transformed into a young but rapidly maturing DTP application with numerous professional features, as well as some unique capabilities. Already, in use from everything to club newsletters to small newspaper production to animated interactive PDF presentations a la Power point. or Open Office Impress. Other uses are creating corporate stationery and brochures, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality image-setting equipment.

While the goals of the program are for ease of use and simple easy to understand tools, Scribus offers support for professional publishing features, such as CMYK color, sophisticated "press-ready" PDF creation, EPS and PDF import/export and creation of color separations and optionally very complete ICC color management - thanks to littlecms, the first for an open source application.

Scribus supports many major graphic formats including most all of the standard ones used in DTP in addition to SVG import and export.

Printing is done via its own internal level 3 PS driver, including support for font embedding and sub-setting with True Type, Type 1 and Open Type fonts. The internal driver fully supports Level 2 Postscript constructs and very large set of Level 3.

PDF support includes transparency, encryption and a large set of the PDF 1.4 spec including interactive PDF's form fields, annotations and bookmarks. No other application is capable of producing such a wide range of PDF features on Linux, Unix like operating systems.

The file format is based on XML and fully documented. Unlike proprietary binary file formats, even damaged documents, may be partially recovered with a simple text editor - sometimes a challenging problem with other page layout programs.

When run with KDE 3.x, Drag and Drop is enabled, as well as inheriting KDE style plug-ins. Thus, for example you can drag and drop from the desktop to the pasteboard easily. There is a drag and drop scrapbook, which can contain frequently used items including text blocks, pictures and custom shapes.

Currently, the most recent version 1.1.6 of Scribus supports Open Type, True Type and Type1 Postscript fonts.

Re:A better question (1)

AndyElf (23331) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970944)

for GNU/Linux®
when has GNU/Linux become an ®? And who is the holder? It it also goint to become a (TM)?

Re:A better question (1, Flamebait)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971004)

when has GNU/Linux become an ®

It hasn't. Somebody fucked up. In any event, it can't be done with GNU/Linux has Linus already holds the rights to the word 'Linux' itself. GNU/Linux would be an infringement.

My guess is that some clueless Stallman-worshipper wrote the blurb. "There is but one OS, and Stallman is it's prophet!" Y'know, *that* kind of Stallman fanatic.

Max

Re:A better question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971036)

"GNU/Linux would be an infringement"

Perhaps in some countries, perhaps not in others. Ginux [lindows.com] might even infringe in some. Ginspire [linspire.com] anyone?

Re:A better question (3, Funny)

sweet cunny muffin (771671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971043)

Perhaps they meant ((GNU)/(Linux®)), as Linux is a registered trade mark (a ®) of Linus.

Re:A better question (2, Funny)

MikeCT (686254) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971138)

Which has higher precedence, ® or / ?

Re:A better question (1)

sweet cunny muffin (771671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971277)

I think ®, as it is part of the name token, so GNU/Linux® is still name/name, even with no brackets.

Re:A better question (3, Informative)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970868)

Google Cache [216.239.59.104]

Re:A better question (1)

mat.h (25728) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970891)

Try freshmeat. "Scribus is a DTP program for Linux. Its goal is to provide an easy-to-use tool for simple Desktop Publishing. It tries be as professional as possible."

Re:A better question (4, Informative)

zhiwenchong (155773) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970984)

More screenshots here [comcast.net] .

Re:A better question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971030)

Really old screenshots. We are rewriting the docs in anticipation of the upcoming 1.2 release in a few months, complete with new screenshots.

another short review (5, Informative)

spangineer (764167) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970838)

Here's a quick review [freshmeat.net] talking about the enhancements since the last version.

Re:another short review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970863)

http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/

going going .. gone (1)

-Maurice66- (728513) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970840)

Anyone mirrored it?

Slashdotted? (5, Informative)

osewa77 (603622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970856)

Even the google cache [64.233.161.104] copy seems inaccessible.. Here is the Freshmeat Project Page [freshmeat.net] for Scribus 1.1.6, and I also have a link to the home page [icewalkers.com]
____________________
Seun Osewa's Afriguru.com [afriguru.com] grows daily.

Re:Slashdotted? (1)

steve426f (746013) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971141)

Here's another link [atlanticte...utions.com] to a screenshot showing it's Publisher/Pagemaker like appearance.

JPEG (5, Funny)

jabbadabbadoo (599681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970876)

They added JPEG support in this version. Time to close down the project.

Re:JPEG (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970912)

We added JPEG support to PDF export... a very different thing to JPEG support in general.

Requires GCC 3.2 (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970894)

Will not compile on GCC 2.95.. That really limits its use a lot doesnt it?

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970966)

All distros with any sense use 3.0+. 2.9x is too old and too buggy to bother with. With 3.0 we get a better compiler producing a faster executable, and is able to handle C++ templates much better. We made the decision a few 4+ minor versions ago, way back in October 03.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971046)

3.2+ please. 3.0 was buggy as hell.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971032)

Well I guess Debian users are screwed but for all the other distros not stuck in the 90s it should be just fine.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971063)

No.. we have plenty of successful (up to date) Debian users, so there. There is a regularly updated deb, released about once every 2 weeks based on CVS.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971073)

That sounds really stable...

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971078)

Our CVS is known by many to be kept very stable. Most of the users we are in contact with regularly use only CVS. Of course, the person creating the debs makes sure anything that needs to be fixed is fixed before updating the debs.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (2, Informative)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971255)

WTF are you talking about? Debian includes the most cutting-edge software versions in SID {unstable; named after the boy in "Toy Story" [all Debian releases have codenames taken from this movie; I'm betting when they run out of T.S. characters they'll start on "Finding Nemo"] who breaks toys, and also for "still in development"}. You just need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change every instance of "stable" to "unstable". Then # apt-get update, # /etc/init.d/kdm stop {otherwise you will muck it up} and finally # apt-get upgrade. You might need another untouched machine to run a web browser to run google if you get into trouble, but unstable isn't as unstable as it used to be.

It does tell you all this on the Debian site if you can be bothered to look for it; but you obviously prefer putting other people down because you mistakenly think it makes you look better {as opposed to making you look like a whining jerk-off, which is what your dad ought to have done and then we'd all be happy}.

Re:Requires GCC 3.2 (1)

martinde (137088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971199)

> Will not compile on GCC 2.95.. That really limits its use a lot doesnt it?

Limiting oneself to gcc 2.95.x is very painful. It's C++ support is lacking in several areas - namespace support is lacking, exception support is lacking, template support is missing some features, and the C++ standard library is totally standards non-compliant. Anyone doing any serious C++ development that can move to g++ >= 3.2 should do so. (There are lots of situations where this isn't an option, of course.)

Scribus is great ! (4, Interesting)

Zork the Almighty (599344) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970895)

I used Scribus about a year ago to produce a professional looking poster for a conference. At the time, it was a very powerful program with a few small quirks. I would recommend it to anybody somewhat familiar with DTP.

Re:Scribus is great ! (1)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970977)

I have never used a DTP in my life but I was abe to put together a christmas song list with it too. It wasn't professional looking though. But functional. My point is the program was pretty is to pick up.

Summarize what it does in one word (-1, Troll)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970897)

I want to find out if it's worth my time to find out more about what it does.

The server isn't responding anyway.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (2, Informative)

iapetus (24050) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970900)

DTP

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (2, Funny)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970906)

In all of the languages that I can understand, words have vowels in them.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970967)

DeskTop Publishing.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971017)

Well that's two words but I'll let you off.

The sense of impending doom from finals has had a strange effect on me and now I'm feeling absurdly belligerent.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

SWPadnos (191329) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971072)

Layout

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970971)

What about "rhythm"?

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

dave_f1m (602921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971024)

Either he would consider 'y' a vowel, or doesn't understand english. Besides, 'y' is often a vowel. Next time, try 'cwm'.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971075)

'cwm' isn't really an exception, is it's a borrowed word from Welsh, where w is a vowel [psu.edu] . See also this interesting mailing list post [linguistlist.org] .

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971095)

Well let me correct that. I've spent a little bit of time trying to learn ancient Egyptian and it has no vowels. But then again, my knowledge of Egyptian is so limited that I can hardly say I "understand" it.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

cammoblammo (774120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971149)

You obviously don't understand English then. As far as I can see, the word 'rhythm' has no vowels.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971196)

But y is a vowel. In Old English it was pronounced like the Greek letter upsilon. To make this sound, make a tight O with your lips and try to make a sound like the i in machine. If you do it right you'll end up with something that sounds almost, but not quite like a U. Eventually y started to be used as a consonant in some words, though it is still used as a vowel in some words even though it no longer has a distinct sound of its own.

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

Firefalcon (7323) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971205)

Try Czech:

Strc prst skrz krk (Czech sentence: "Put your finger through your throat")

from http://www2.iap.fr/users/esposito/words.html [www2.iap.fr]

Re:Summarize what it does in one word (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971221)

Czech is still on my to-do list. When I was in Prague I only got as far as "Mluvite anglickey?"

Hmm, did I remember the spelling correctly?

Killer application on Linux? (5, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970909)

Scribus appears to be a decent desktop publishing tool. I've installed it but personally I prefer to use the OOo drawing tool for mockups, and our graphist uses QuarkXpress for the final designs.

The point is that printshops accept files only with specific formats, namely with CMYK color separation, the appropriate resolution, and in "well-known" file formats: Quark, Illustrator, et al.

A Linux desktop publishing program that can product color-separated files in the correct format can be a dog to learn and use, that'd be fine! As long as it can produce print-ready files, a painful learning curve is not an issue.

The UI is not the key. Business usefulness is the key.

Re:Killer application on Linux? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970932)

Scribus is regularly (almost daily) tested with high end printers RIPS and printing hardware. We have DTP professionals using and testing for us in the US, Canada, France and Germany.

EPS and PDFs from Scribus are usable in any DTP program (including Adobe apps such as Illustrator) can load and use such files. Scribus can also directly print to the hardware.

Reviewer says little cms is for producing PDFs. No, its for colour management! Scribus has its own PDF exporter.

Re:Killer application on Linux? (2, Informative)

mz2 (770412) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971033)

Having used Scribus for the fairly basic dp use I have had, I can assure you that the PDF export in Scribus works well and is rather sufficient for making print-ready files for printshops.

PDF? (2, Informative)

hughk (248126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971106)

You only need a format like Quark Express or Adobe Illustrator iff the document needs much postprocessing. In fact Quark Express is a pretty hopeless format as things like fonts can't be embedded. Instead of a single file, you end up giving many, the quark file, the CMYK separated picture files and the fonts. A handful to manage.

Any good printshop can take and print a PDF. They can even tweak the colours if it is needed.

how does it integrate with gimp? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970911)

Ok, so i get its a page layout program.

how does it integrate with gimp? (maybe its not necessary... but dunno)

Re:how does it integrate with gimp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970948)

Right click on an image frame in Scribus to edit your image in your favourite editor, eg Gimp. Default is Gimp. Gimp developers have stated to not bother writing an XCF importer as its not really portable outside of Gimp. When they have a new format, we will be able to import it, although we are considering XCF import.

Re:how does it integrate with gimp? (2, Interesting)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971170)

Well, um, it can take bitmap images in various formats (JPEGs, PNGs, the other usual stuff - not GIMP's xcf format, which nobody uses anyway). That's all that's needed to integration, really =)

Apparently Scribus 1.2 will allow people to launch GIMP to directly edit an image from Scribus, and some other support may be planned for later...

What I really appreciate more is the really freaking cool ability to import SVG vector files into Scribus-editable objects (unless I misinterpreted when I did this last time, which was coincidentally the first time for me =)

Re:how does it integrate with gimp? (1)

cammoblammo (774120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971171)

From what I remember on their site there is some limited integration. I think you can right click an image and there's an option to edit it withthe Gimp.

What an idiotic, uninformative write-up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970928)

I guess those of us who have absolutely no idea what "Scribus" is will have to wait until tomorrow (when the site is presumably no longer slashdotted) to find out, right?

The hype surrounding it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8970955)

What hype? Is there a hype?

What is Scribus? (3, Informative)

JHVB (613081) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970962)

From their website:

"Scribus is a Page Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe® InDesign, except that it is published under the GNU GPL.

With the release of Scribus 1.1.6, Linux and Unix desktop users have a user friendly, but powerful Desktop Publishing application capable of a broad set of DTP needs. Started with humble beginnings as a Python program to make menus, Scribus has been transformed into a young but rapidly maturing DTP application with numerous professional features, as well as some unique capabilities. Already, in use from everything to club newsletters to small newspaper production to animated interactive PDF presentations a la Power point. or Open Office Impress. Other uses are creating corporate stationery and brochures, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality image-setting equipment."

Scribus is good... (5, Interesting)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 10 years ago | (#8970980)

(Note: I'm not complaining, just hoping aloud =)

Scribus is an excellent application. I could easily put it in the same category as Mozilla Firefox, XEmacs, GIMP, Blender, Audacity and Eclipse as an example of well-engineered open source application that is good enough to get any real work done.

Scribus is, however, a little bit of a quirk-express. The user interface is not yet completely free of small things that tend to be annoying. For one thing, it's slow (though nowhere near as slow as some pre-1.0 versions - and Freetype integration has greatly helped with this too, with faster and better-looking font rendering) and some details lag behind (the property dialog could use some really heavy improvements).

I think the UI situation is just similar to GIMP 1.0 - it took until 1.2 until the UI was really good and until 2.0 until it was superb. Yet, like GIMP 1.0, it's completely usable for what it's designed for!

So, in conclusion, I'll be hoping that we'll get into the "GIMP 1.2" level soon what comes to the UI. It is really good as it is right now, though.

It's 6:11 am EST,do you know where your server is? (0, Redundant)

vertical_98 (463483) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971003)

46 comments and half of them asking what in the hell IS Scribus. I'd say that most people don't care if it can do what it says

Vertical

Won't compile (0, Offtopic)

Sly Mongoose (15286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971039)

page.cpp: In member function `void Page::LoadPict(QString, int)':
page.cpp:8599: `unlink' undeclared (first use this function)
page.cpp:8599: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
function it appears in.)
make[3]: *** [page.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6/scribus'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6/scribus'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Re:Won't compile (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971051)

Update to CVS. Instructions at www.scribus.net, although this fix was in earlier versions. Some versions of GCC dont seem to be including unistd.h. With a #include in page.cpp you shouldnt get these errors at all, although as I say, its there and has been there for awhile.

CVS won't compile either (1)

Sly Mongoose (15286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971284)

scfonts_ttf.cpp: In member function `virtual bool Foi_ttf::ReadMetrics()':
scfonts_ttf.cpp:86: `FT_GLYPH_FORMAT_PLOTTER' undeclared (first use this
function)
scfonts_ttf.cpp:86: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
function it appears in.)
make[3]: *** [scfonts_ttf.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus/scribus'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus/scribus'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus'
make: *** [all] Error 2

<sigh>

PostNuke powered Website (3, Funny)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971045)

How appropriate! Seeing the website is broken via slasdotting - a post nuke website, so to speak.

Templates (4, Insightful)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971061)

Scribus looks like an okay program, and I'm sure that for printing office types who have the time to learn to use it properly it does a fine job. However there's an opportunity to make it a real "killer app" for far more people. Consider Microsoft Publisher. It's an okay sort of program - what makes it very useful for a lot of people is the vast template library which makes it very easy to get 90% of the way towards (say) a double-sided 3-panel sales brochure in about 5 minutes, requiring only that the default background is changed and perhaps some minor details altered. The templates are even themeable.

There seems to be nothing like this at all for scribus (in fact, by and large the range of templates available for OS office applications is pretty woeful). We really ought to get on top of this as a priority; otherwise MS Office will still have a massive lead in terms of useability to Joe Officeworker.

Re:Templates (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8971102)

We would be more than happy to have some people creating sample docs like this for Scribus..

IRC: #scribus on irc.freenode.net...
OR
Mailing List [altmuehlnet.de]

Sodipodi (2, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971104)

What's interesting is that Sodipodi (that other vector drawing program) means "to scribble" in Estonian.

Who uses Quark? (3, Insightful)

ducklord (770855) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971150)

The main power of Quark Express is in its shortcuts. Experienced DTP users can set up a page blazingly fast, and in less than 5mins the have a full doc setup through mostly keystrokes. That`s the main reason why a lot of them whine when the shortcuts change between versions, and that`s why more than a lot stick with older versions of a program if the newer ones have "changed stuff" (Quark5 being a prime example, as far as they tell me). For a different program to have success in this field, there mustn`t exist only a nice interface but a similarity with the most well known "players". How different is it from Quark and Pagemaker? Can it be configured to work in a similar way? Its widgets are not its main power, proper seperations, SMYC and RGB support, similarity to other apps are what can make it succesfull.

New Updated Screen Shots of 1.2 cvs (3, Informative)

scribusdocs (689789) | more than 10 years ago | (#8971163)


Link: Scribus Screen Shot Gallery [salford.ac.uk]


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