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NetBSD Trademark Application Completed

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the locking-up-the-name dept.

The Courts 177

Daniel de Kok writes "The NetBSD Foundation is proud to announce that it has registered the ``NetBSD®'' trademark. The foundation would like to thank Jay Michaelson (Wasabi Systems) for filing the application and providing answers to the US Patent Office, and Carl Oppedahl (Oppedahl & Larson) for giving advice and keeping the Foundation informed about the process. An official policy on the use of the NetBSD® trademark is currently being drafted and will be made public soon."

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177 comments

Don't forget... (0, Troll)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974139)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

Re:Don't forget... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974205)

chill nigga. i'm still savin on up to afford dis' linux sheeot. cuz' freedom isn't free, nigga. drop some change in my can next time you walk around da block...

Here's some "News that matters"... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974436)

Quantum Mechanics: Not Just a Matter of Interpretation [kathryncramer.com]

Tomorrow at 4 PM, physicist Shahriar S. Afshar, a Visiting Scientist at Harvard University's Physics Department [harvard.edu] will give a talk [tamu.edu] entitled Violation of Bohr's principle of complementarity in an optical "which-way" experiment at Texas A&M University.

Afshar has done a variation of the standard two-pin-hole "welcher-Weg" optics experiment, in which he demonstrates that wave interference is present even when one is determining through which pinhole a photon passes. This result is in direct contradiction to Neils Bohr's Principle of Complementarity, which would require in the quantum world that when one is measuring quantum properties, all wave interference phenomena must vanish. Afshar's trick is to find the location of the minimum points of wave interference, place one or more wires at these minimum points, and observe how much light is intercepted when one is determining the pinhole through which the photons passed.

It has been widely accepted that the rival interpretations of quantum mechanics, e.g., the Copenhagen Interpretation, the Many-Worlds Interpretation, and my father John Cramer's Transactional Interpretation, cannot be distinguished or falsified by experiment, because the experimental predictions come from the formalism that all such interpretations describe. However, the Afshar Experiment demonstrates in an interaction-free way that there is a loophole in this logic: if the interpretation is inconsistent with the formalism, then it can be falsified. In particular, the Afshar Experiment falsifies the Copenhagen Interpretation, which requires the absence of interference in a particle-type measurement. It also falsifies the Many-Worlds Interpretation which tells us to expect no interference between "worlds" that are physically distinguishable, e.g., that correspond to the photon's passage through one pinhole or the other.

The Transactional Interpretation, on the other hand, has no problem in explaining that Afshar results. "Offer waves" from the source pass through both pinholes and interfere, creating a condition in which no transactions to the wires can form. Therefore, no photons are intercepted by wires, as Afshar observes. The quantum formalism makes the same predictions.

On this basis, it appears that two of the major interpretations of quantum mechanics have been falsified and should be relegated to the waste basket of physics history. The Transactional Interpretation, which involves a forward/back in time handshake, is one of the few (perhaps the only) interpretation(s) left standing after the Afshar test.

Ask yourself, who am I trolling for with this, and be enlightened

Re:Here's some "News that matters"... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974550)

The only talk worth attending at A&M is one given by Bjarne Stroustrup. That was a coup for you dumbasses at College Station. Use it to your advantage. Which reminds me:
Q: How many Aggies does it take to eat an armadillo?

A: Two. One to do the eating, and one to watch for cars.

Re:Here's some "News that matters"... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974592)

Well, I'm sure Schrödinger's Cat will be relieved. Or dead. That whole being in limbo thing must've sucked.

Re:Don't forget... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974627)

YOU FUCKFACE!!! You are such a FAILURE! You didn't even get the troll right. This isn't a Linux related article and therefore has nothing to do with SCO. So your troll is out of place. You SHOULD have mentioned something about BSD dying or something. How hard is it to get your trolling right you fucking retard!? Turn in your troll card now, you are being booted out from under the bridge as of this moment.

For once... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974144)

I get a chance for first post and have nothing to say

Re:For once... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974584)

I get a chance for first post

and yuo! faiLED it!

Re:For once... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975802)

you got the chance, but you fucking squandered it! who yo daddy now, biatch?

Final Straw? (-1, Troll)

Melvin Daniels (757374) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974158)

Really, this is just another nail in the coffin. The BSD has been closing themselves off in the name of hedonism and elitism for years, and this just cements it. The BSD people don't care about opensource because their game is control. Control over every little aspect instead of letting the users as a community determine the destiny of their operating system. I personally don't feel this is right at all.

Maybe the "BSD is dying" trolls are right. I certainly wish they weren't.

Re:Final Straw? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974246)

Do you know what 'hedonism' means? It does not look like it.

Re:Final Straw? (4, Informative)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974294)

Linux is also trademarked [linuxmark.org]

(excerpt from that site)
Examples of Use Requiring A License.
On the other hand, if you plan to market a product or offer a service to the public using a mark that identifies the LINUX based product under a name that you consider your product name, like "Super Dooper Linux" or "Real Time Linux Consultants" you are required to apply for and obtain the low cost one time royalty license described elsewhere on this web site. This is true whether you actually apply for a trademark for your product or service name, because you are using the mark in a trademark sense, and it is important that the public know that LINUX is the base mark owned by Linus, and that the derivative mark you have adopted is your particular version of Linux.

Beside our need to protect the Linux mark for all of us in the industry, this process allows us to prevent improper uses of the mark that might eventually result in someone obtaining a trademark with the word Linux in it that suggests that they are the sole source of Linux or the sole authority to certify some aspects of use or training concerning Linux. For this reason we have refused to license marks like "Linux University" or "The Linux Certification Board."
(end-excerpt)

It's pretty reasonable for NetBSD to want the same protection from dillution for it's valuable brandname. And it's hardly the first open source OS to get it's name trademarked.

Patents BAD trademarks GOOD copyrights BAD (1)

turnstyle (588788) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975230)

Is that about right?

Re:Final Straw? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975356)

That site doesn't look the slightest bit legitimate. A whois lookup points here:

Boustani, Eric eric@boustani.com
215 W Franklin St
Fourth Floor Box 3080
Monterey, CA 93940
US
831-649-1122

What relation does Eric have to Linus? Why are they running this site out of Monterey? Why wouldn't this information be on kernel.org?

Re:Final Straw? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974426)

It means they'll have to mark it as a trademark on the tombstone epitaph:
NetBSD(tm) 1993-2004

trivial? (2, Interesting)

Joceyln Parfitt (756037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974160)

the NetBSD 'core' must have a lot of money if they can spend thousands on little things like trademarks (especially ironical considering the BSD licence almost like public domain, you'd think these people wouldn't care about copyrights and trademarks, etc).

Looking at the application:

Filing Date: 2000-09-12

That must have cost a fortune in lawyer fees. But then, if this is what it takes to further improve their already great product (I run it on my IPAQ!), more power to them.

Re:trivial? --yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974203)

I don't see the big deal. I am downloading the sparc iso for my sparcstation as I type this. This will be my first time using this OS, and I am sure it will be a good one. I am getting a good 400k/sec download from their mirror so it shant be long :)

Re:trivial? (0, Troll)

theM_xl (760570) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974216)

Carl Oppedahl (Oppedahl & Larson) Sounds like the name of a firm of lawyers in the parenthesis, doesn't it? They can't ALL be evil. the "Or so I hope" M

Re:trivial? (5, Informative)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974217)

Actually the cost of a trademark registration is quite reasonable. You can do the discovery and filing for around $1000, possibly less if you do some of the paperwork yourself.

IANAL but I have a few trademarks.

Patents... OTOH cost 10x more to start with, and considerably more after that if you try to defend them.

So a registered trademark is a good investment for a small company that fears competition.

I don't see the immediate benefit to NetBSD, however.

Re:trivial? (4, Insightful)

dpille (547949) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974491)

around $1000, possibly less if you do some of the paperwork yourself

But the orignal post is quite right- in this case it must have cost a comparative fortune. Looking at the prosecution history, you can see two office actions and an appeal. I'm not sure "DIY" is even in the ballpark for non-lawyer IP professionals (let alone the average guy) in such circumstances.

There's some additional prosecution history here [uspto.gov] if you're curious. Gotta say, the approach to get around the objections based on registrations for BSD and FREEBSD (see the 11/26/02 doc) is pretty interesting, and certainly emphasizes that getting a NETBSD registration required a fair amount of work/resources.

Cashing in?? (-1, Troll)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974652)

Basically, the NetBSD guys are gearing up to take over when Linux bites the dust, except NetBSD will not be free as in beer, it will be a licensed product for corporate leaches like Microsoft to license parts of. Not free as in beer, not free as in anything. Just another group looking to cash in on software patents and IP copyrights. Think about it. Troll, or truth?

Re:trivial? (5, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974536)

Saves on having to hunt down and kill the jerk that forks NetBSD and calls it NetBSD. This would have saved a lot of hell with MySQL.

Re:trivial? (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974219)

It's probably taken so long because they didn't want to spend a lot of money on lawyer fees. Cross the right palms with silver, and things happen amazingly quickly. Fail to do so, and they happen amazingly slowly.

Re:trivial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974245)

Trademarks and copyrights are two very different topics. Why do people always insist on mingling the two distinct ideas? I hope no one starts talking about patents now...

Re:trivial? (2, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974286)

Perhaps because both are issued, in the US, by the Patent and Trademark office? :->

Re:trivial? (3, Informative)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974308)

Copyrights are issued by the Library of Congress no the USPTO. I suppose it would be the USPTCO if they did.

Re:trivial? (0, Offtopic)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974350)

Damn, your right.

Must run to store and buy caffine.

Note to self, never post with out caffine in blood.

It is trivial! (5, Informative)

eman1961 (642519) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974335)

I have filed my own paperwork on a couple of trademarks, and the total cost is less than $500. If I remember correctly, the cost of the final filing is about $350, which goes to pay an attorney employed at the patent and trademark office. If you are careful, and understand what can be trademarked, and what cannot, it is really rather easy.

Acquiring such a trademark means that it is somewhat easier to enforce that others do not use the trademark in their own product names.

Re:It is trivial! (2, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974718)

$500 is hardly trivial, compared to the money they must be making. Nobody ever accused *BSD of being a money-spinner. It may be good, but it isn't there to make a profit.


Then, there's the risk-factor. What, really, is the risk of a competing *BSD distribution taking the name of "NetBSD"? Again, no insult intended, but it's not got the mindshare to be seriously at risk. It's not Rolls Royce, for example.


Finally, what could the money have been spent on, otherwise? $500 is a week's worth of documenting, or maybe even a student hand-out for re-writing the installer. Wouldn't those have been more valuable?


Nonetheless, it's done. Time enough to regret the decision later. Now, it's a matter of figuring out what it actually means in practice. Is this a device to prevent code forks and/or another split-off? Were there core members threatening to form a breakaway distribution of their own?


And if internal politics were the reason, why not settle the issues peacefully? Is hostility the only way things can get done anymore? I hope not.

no risk from a competing bsd, but.... (2, Informative)

zogger (617870) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974896)

...perhaps a big risk from other quarters with deep pockets who might think it cute to do so, and might do it through a daisy chian of proxies first to obfuscate who's behind it. Perhaps, pure speculation of course. I can think of a few places to whom 500 clams doesn't even qualify as pocket lint,but the idea of monkey wrenching in advance any ever potential future competitor might seem like making "good business sense", so maybe NetBSD being proactive before the fact of needing a trademark is a good thing and good idea.

Re:It is trivial! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975068)

Then, there's the risk-factor. What, really, is the risk of a competing *BSD distribution taking the name of "NetBSD"?

Someone tried to steal the term "Linux" in 1994 or so, long before anyone heard of it or cared. You can bet it cost Torvolds a lot more money in lawyer fees to trademark a contested term than if he had registered first.

There's a lot of really important reasons to own a trademark. Without one, forgetting to renew a domain name could be a disaster. There's also hostile code forks, etc etc etc.

Look at FreeBSD -- it's trademarked, but the trademark is owned by a hostile company and not by FreeBSD. In theory, they could be required to change their name! The reputation cost would be a lot more than a thousand bucks.

Maybe you are a poor student and $1000 sound like a lot of money, but frankly if any of the NetBSD people have a real job, this isn't financially prohibitive.

Re:It is trivial! (2, Interesting)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975646)

$500 is oh-so-trivial

Most people can make $500 in a day (eg painting a house). Many people can make $500 in a few hours. And there are still a lot of people that can make $500 in less than an hour. Sure, it may pay a student to do something, but that is hardly an accurate depiction of time-is-money.

Re:It is trivial! (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975109)

Nolo Press has a good book [nolo.com] about the process.

Re:trivial? (1)

corris (154178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974447)

actually, the BSD license cares very much about copyrights. one of the main tenets is that you MUST include the original copyright in any code you distribute, whether it's free for your customers or costs $40,000.

Re:trivial? (2, Insightful)

beebware (149208) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974568)

True, don't you just hate it when companies register trademarks - first Microsoft, now NetBSD - next you'll know Linux will become "evil" [linuxmark.org] . Oh, wait...

Re:trivial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974607)

I had a marathon D&D game with my son and his friend just yesterday. I had a pre-made campaign ready to go, complete with pre-rolled characters which they balked at. They wanted to roll their own characters and have a random dungeon that was made up on the fly - so they could level up their own characters from the beginning.

We spent the better part of two hours rolling up new characters and less time playing the game but the boys said they had just as much fun creating the characters than playing the game...

Hell Anti-Slash.org Troll!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974634)

Note to mods: "Joceyln Parfitt" is an Anti-Slash [anti-slash.org] troll. Note how "she" changed her sig to "SPECIAL NOTICE: BSD IS DYING" after getting modded up. Feel free to mod this "woman" (yeah, right) into oblivion.

How long... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974167)

...till Lindows trys to release LetBSD?

Re:How long... (1)

SteelX (32194) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975058)

...till Lindows trys to release LetBSD?

Do you mean: ...till Lindows tlies to leelease LetBSD?

Wot? Includin' t' ® (R) symbol as well? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974169)

Doesn't the ® (R) symbol signify that the text before is registered ... it sounds like they've registered "NetBSD®" as a trademark ... making it NetBSD®® hehehe

mmmmMMmmmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974183)

WasAAAAAaaabi! Whazzup?

What is a typical cost? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974207)

What would be considered a typical cost to trademark a name? USPTO fee? Does one really need a lawyer? If something trademarked here, what is the cost to trademark it worldwide? Does one need to go to each countries trademark office or can one file with the WTO (world Trade Office) equivalent and do it all in one place?

Re:What is a typical cost? (2, Informative)

saddino (183491) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974886)

1) Typical cost is $350 from the USPTO if you apply for it yourself (it's really not that hard: copyright and trademark protection is straightforward, unlike the patent process), and extra if you go through an attorney. Note: you need to use the trademark to protect it (i.e. you can just apply for a trademark to "hold on to it"). In most cases that's a given, since you're applying for the trademark to protect a good or service you're selling.

2) Trademarks in the US protect your rights in the US only. There is no "do it all in one place" route either. IANAL, but my wife is. Some of her clients apply for trademark protection in every country they do business in (60+ registrations). If you're interested in international protection, then you basically have to use a lawyer.

wait (5, Insightful)

Hinkey (746112) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974212)

"An official policy on the use of the NetBSD® trademark is currently being drafted and will be made public soon" how can you condem them before you even hear there policy on the use of the trademark?

Re:wait (4, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974254)

" how can you condem them before you even hear there policy on the use of the trademark?"

Its realy very easy, all it takes is a desire to hate somthing. Just like the Linux & Mac haters that have never used the platforms or the Windows haters that think its unchanged since the broken Windows 95 systems they last used.

Re:wait (1, Funny)

sporty (27564) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974934)


Windows haters that think its unchanged since the broken Windows 95 systems they last used.


I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad nues but... ;)

Re:wait (2, Informative)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975773)

Its realy very easy, all it takes is a desire to hate somthing. Just like the Linux & Mac haters that have never used the platforms or the

I am what most people would call a Mac hater, and I have extensive experience with the platform.

I was a Mac user for 10 years. I know the platform inside and out. I just have become disenchanted.

My dislike comes from not a position of ignorance, but one of knowledge based dislike.

LK

*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974225)

[to the tune of Last Kiss by pearl jam]

Oh where, oh where is my BSD?
I just loaded it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see the OS when I leave this world.

I'd started to load it in my roommate's Dell,
the hard drive was taking it pretty well.
During the load, it crashed the heads,
the distro was stalled, *BSD was dead.
I couldn't stop, so I yanked the cord.
I'll never forget, the sound , oh Lord--
the screamin' drives, the speaker's blast,
the painful scream that I-- heard last.

Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
That load took it away from me.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.

When I woke up, the sparks were pourin down.
There were admins standin all around.
Some fragments of chips gotten in my eyes,
but somehow I found my *BSD that night.
I lifted the CD, the devil winked and said,
"Load me darlin just a little while."
I held it close, I kissed the label--our last kiss.
I found the love that i knew i had missed
well now it's gone, even I loaded it right
I lost my *BSD and the Dell-- that night.

Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974328)

Isn't that song a cover of something from the fifties? I believe I heard the original being played by some mexican dude at the flea market in santa cruz but he didn't speak enough english for us to communicate and for me to find out who did the original tune.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974425)

I believe I heard the original being played by some mexican dude at the flea market in santa cruz but he didn't speak enough english for us to communicate and for me to find out who did the original tune.

Or perhaps you didn't speak enough Spanish? You go to a Californian flea market loaded with Mexicans, and you expect them to go out of their way to learn the gringo's language? Not to flame, but take a Spanish class! I know that in Europe the border regions practically make it a requirement to be bilingual. Why do Americans insist otherwise?

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974515)

because americans are ignorant of cultures other than their own, which barely qualifies as a "culture"...

strongest culture around (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974710)

"because americans are ignorant of cultures other than their own, which barely qualifies as a "culture"..." P. ...except that it is the strongest culture around. Cultures like in France prove how weak and irrelevant they are when the government institutes laws to censor American content to "protect French culture".

Yo convengo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974736)

Pienso que debemos prohibir bailar del negro.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975267)

Newsflash: Tijuana != the US. Film at 11.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (2, Informative)

xoran99 (745620) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974492)

Isn't that song a cover of something from the fifties? J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers. It was their only hit.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974532)

Witness the power of slashdot. Amidst the complaints of netbsd'ers spending too much money on something supposedly irrelevant, and the typical BSD is dying trolls, someone actually managed to learn something :D

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (1)

mkro (644055) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974796)

Also reminds me a bit of Satan gave me a taco [beck.com] by Beck, at least from the part of waking up. Never heard the Pearl Jam song, though.

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (1, Informative)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974401)

Cool--bands can get authorship credits simply by doing covers now!

Ever heard the song "Blue Suede Shoes" by American AC in Paris?

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974783)

what do you expect? the "BSD IS DYING" trolls are nothing but preteens on their school library computers with noting better to do than troll here since they cant get past the porn filter on the school computers. The linux zealots eat it up too. Change BSD to Linux and they would have this person burned at the stake.

Doesn't work with Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974871)

"The linux zealots eat it up too. Change BSD to Linux and they would have this person burned at the stake."

Not really. You can only go so far with the rhymes. BSD is so much easier to work with. All that rhymes with Linux is sucks and trucks and ducks (and a duck certainly is not a penguin).

Nice Job... (1)

mykepredko (40154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974817)

Regardless who wrote it.

myke

Re:*BSD Anthem: Last Disk (1)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975436)

that's the funniest geek song I've seen on /.

Advanced peek: extended version (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975514)

"Last Disk" [to the tune of Last Kiss by pearl jam]

Oh where, oh where is my BSD?
I just loaded it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see the OS when I leave this world.

I'd started to load it in my roommate's Dell,
the hard drive was taking it pretty well.
During the load, it crashed the heads,
the distro was stalled, *BSD was dead.
I couldn't halt it, so I yanked the cord.
I'll never forget, the sound , oh Lord--
the screamin' drives, the speaker's blast,
the painful scream that I-- heard last.

Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
That load took it away from me.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.

When I woke up, the sparks were pourin down.
There were admins standin all around.
Some burned-out chips had fallen on the tiles,
but somehow I found my disc of files.
I lifted the CD, the devil winked and said,
"Load me darlin just a little while."
I held it close, I kissed the label--our last kiss.
I found the love that i knew i had missed
well now it's gone, even though I loaded it right
I lost my *BSD and the Dell-- that night.

Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.

When I next went to Slashdot, where so many had trolled.
Any so many times "BSD's Dead!" was told.
Tears fallin' on the keyboard, I checked "Anonymous"
and I eulogized *BSD, in memory, of us....

When I logged on next, my post was modded down.
In my heartbreak and sorrow, treated like a clown....
No matter what the mods do, it's in my heart and head
We'll always know "*BSD IS DEAD!"

Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.

Ack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974236)

Worst Thing Ever©

In other news... (4, Funny)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974238)

Slashdot gets sued for trademark infringement..

hehe

Si.

Re:In other news... (0, Flamebait)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975530)

The NetBSD core team also intends to sue the Christian faith for trademark defacement caused by portraying their mascot as evil in a series of fictional works.

Logo? (2, Interesting)

KevinDumpsCore (127671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974242)

Yes, but do they have a logo to go with that trademark yet? (http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#logo-contest-close d)

Yep, see here (2, Funny)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974880)

new logo [netbsd.org] .

(note the date of that post)

This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (2, Interesting)

feloneous cat (564318) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974258)

I mean, frankly, what does this buy them? Anything?

I'm more puzzled than angered.

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (3, Informative)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974353)

It protects them from somebody going out and writing an entirely new Operating System and selling it under the name NetBSD.

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974453)

that's all wonderful, but since when is anyone actually *buying* NetBSD(r)?

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974482)

Some scientific institutions have been known to purchase corpses for autopsy classes. Any variant of *BSD would suit this purpose just fine.

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (3, Informative)

sir_cello (634395) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974564)

> It protects them from somebody going out and writing an entirely new Operating System and selling it under the name NetBSD.

There are a number of benefits to registration: the team could prevent the use of NetBSD on _any_ distributions unless they authorise (e.g. such as a "NetBSD+custom distribution" would not be able to use the NetBSD mark).

It could be used with customs to prevent import of counterfeit "official" CD's, or even the use of NetBSD on unofficial release CD's.

For example, when a NetBSD release is generated, currently nothing stops anyone from building and releasing their own NetBSD distribution CD from the CVS tag. Now, the owners of the mark will be able to prevent this if they choose to.

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974383)

2 for 1 saugage bites at the Quick-E mart.

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974705)

Not to be a grammar weenie, but you might wanna run your sig through a grammar checker.

-Jesse

Re:This seems more like a BFD, so what story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975080)

Wow, someone complaining about grammar and managing to spell grammar right.

Too Bad We All Use Linux (1, Flamebait)

osewa77 (603622) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974274)

And the name is owned by one man. Linus Torvalds.

It's about time (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974288)

Now they can sue away all the other BSDs and make them change their names to firefox or something.

Hahahahah BSD BSD PEE EFF PEE

Wow... (-1, Offtopic)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974297)

Slow news day on Slashdot...

Why bother trademarking something that is DEAD? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974300)

Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying.

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.org] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

And what about the new logo? (3, Interesting)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974312)

I hope I'm still in the running [outshine.com] . Anyone else enter? I sure wish I could see my competition.

Re:And what about the new logo? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974773)

Sorry, they all suck. Bad. Really bad. Jesus. Not in the design field, are you? Holy Cow. Pheww! Open a window and let some air in. What is that smell? MY EYES!

Huh? (2, Funny)

jabbadabbadoo (599681) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974320)

They registered ``NetBSD®'' ???

Oh no, they should have registed ``NetBSD'' instead.

Copyright expiration (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974345)

Copyright usually expires 50 years after death. How many years left on this one, do you think?

A Haiku (-1, Troll)

ginwizard (759142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974365)

BSD shot down And hit itself in the foot; This silly trademark.

NetBSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974376)

NetBSD is endorsed by paedophiles world-wide.

Re:NetBSD is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974419)

You mean necrophyles don't you? Or soon-to-be-necrophyles I suppose. I'm just here to help...

Excellent... but (0, Flamebait)

jrj102 (87650) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974411)

That's great... but if they do anything to enforce it they'll get a nasty "Your Rights online" post about the evils of intellectual property law.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess. :)

--- JRJ

Everyone knows the patent office is... (4, Funny)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974440)

..understaffed and underqualified. There's probably loads of prior art. I bet there are everything from cereals to tampons already called NetBSD. You mark my words!

New Logo Too? (2, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974500)

How is that process coming along? Now would be a good time for them to release it.

Re:New Logo Too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974741)

> What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand

The part that says: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

The people are the militia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8975105)

"The part that says: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

The people are the militia. If you don't like guns, don't own one. End of story. It is none of your business if I choose to own one.

Obligatory Question (0, Troll)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974506)

This has to do with NetBSD, which is technical, but this post isn't technical or even user-sided. It's about about NetBSD being granted a trademark. It appears more to be a pride issue, as if they were holding a huge banner that says "we got a trademark for NetBSD" with subliminal childish tauntings.

Mod me as flamebait, but is this really "news for nerds" and more importantly "stuff that matters"?

domain name (-1, Troll)

comcn (194756) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974529)

It can't have been registered properly... www.netbsd(r).org doesn't seem to exist!

Debian NetBSD projects? (3, Interesting)

molo (94384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974575)

I wonder if this is going to effect the Debian GNU/NetBSD [debian.org] and Debian GNU/KNetBSD [debian.org] porting projects. I'm curious to see their use policy.

-molo

Re:Debian NetBSD projects? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8974712)

See http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2003/debian-bsd -200312/msg00098.html and the following discussion...

Re:Debian NetBSD projects? (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975032)

Dude...legalities are so complicated.

I think Debian GNU/NetBSD says it all - Debian is the distributor, and we have a GNU userland atop NetBSD (analogous to GNU/Linux). I do realize that significant parts of NetBSD would have been wiped out, but, hey, it's open source, right?

As for trademark infringement, I suppose the NetBSD foundation would have to defend its mark in order to keep the rights, but they could grant Debian permission to use the mark, right?

Alternatively, the Debian folks could invent a completely new name - I think that is preferable over polluting the name with extra characters, which, AFAIK, still infringes the NetBSD trademark anyway.

This Gives Me An Idea! (4, Funny)

Goo.cc (687626) | more than 10 years ago | (#8974730)

I think that I am going to rush out and trademark "BSD Is Dying", that way I prevent usage of that term on troll /. posts! Patent office, here I come!

Oh, freaking great... (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#8975628)

Isn't this nice... I can't wait for the NetBSD trademark certification process. Now anything based on NetBSD has to be called:

The NetBSD-like, Unix-Like, OS

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