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Daniel Robbins Resigns As Chief Gentoo Architect

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the bjorn-borg dept.

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bdowne01 writes "Gentoo Linux has experienced rapid growth in the past year--much to the credit of Daniel Robbins, the founder and Chief Architect of the project. Earlier today, he announced his resignation from his role on the gentoo-nfp mailing list." Tester adds "But before leaving, he has set up a non-profit foundation that will own all of the copyrights to Gentoo. The initial board of trustees will be appointed by Daniel, but next year they will be elected. The membership of the foundation will be open." Reader burnitall points out a note on the Gentoo homepage reading "... We are extremely sad to see Daniel Robbins depart, and we both wish him the best in his new endeavors and promise that the door will always be open for his return." Robbins' message also indicates he hopes to continue working on the release engineering aspect of Gentoo.

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Can't read the press release... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978104)

... it's still compiling.

Re:Can't read the press release... (-1, Offtopic)

smallstepforman (121366) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978158)

Still compiling!#! You lucky sod, I've typed emerge press-release, and now I'm waiting for 2381 libraries to download, which are needed by a simple text reader. Should probably start compiling this time next week...

WHY MOST SLASHBOTS ARE NOT FUNNY (1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978547)

This is a typical example of why you dorks aren't getting laid, and lack any serious friends. See the parent post was rather humorous. However you're attempt to ride its coattails simply leeched the humor out of the posting. Simply put, the first person to make the observation can be funny. However when you simply try to restate it, its not funny.

More Gentoo Instability (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978297)

When you get fed up, we'll be here [debian.org] .

Re:More Gentoo Instability (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978331)

In roughly the same place we were three years ago. :-)

Re:More Gentoo Instability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978356)

hahaha, zing!

Re:Can't read the press release... (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978329)

Don't worry, I'm waiting with open arms. [debian.org]

Welcome, brother!

Can't read your crappy joke... (1)

users.pl (689022) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978365)

... it's still compiling.

"This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original..."

Re:Can't read the press release... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978376)

Isn't it kind of wierd that the installation of the new board was a fairly quick process?

Re:Can't read the press release... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978507)

>> Isn't it kind of wierd that the installation of the new board was a fairly quick process?

they used the stage3 tarboard...

Re:Can't read the press release... (4, Funny)

mfifer (660491) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978420)

Yeah, but when it's done, you'll be able to read it REALLY FAST! ;-)

Re:Can't read the press release... (1)

commonloon (543695) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978486)

Very true... it takes a longer to get a Gentoo dist going, BUT with portage maintaining that dist is orders of magnitude easier and *less* time consuming... plus you do *not* have to pay for up2date or spend time trying to reconcile redhat's version numbers. Its all very clear.

His parting words: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978107)

"Fuck this gay distro."

Offer from MS? (-1, Offtopic)

ajiva (156759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978109)

Did he also get an offer from Microsoft to work for them?

Re:Offer from MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978132)

Obvious desperate attempt at a valid looking FP.

Re:Offer from MS? (3, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978141)

That's probably not so far from the truth.

As much as Linux is near and dear to Robbins' heart (and our own), it just doesn't pay like an industry job does, much less what a major player like Microsoft or IBM or Apple could pay.

We'd all like to be doing what we love to do, but sometimes we learn to grow by doing what makes us more money and ultimately more leisure time to spend with friends and family.

Re:Offer from MS? (2, Insightful)

tbjw (760188) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978190)

OSS is dominated by developers, which is a strength when it comes to the quality of the software. But that's not all they need, and we know that developers want to spend their time writing code, not managing growing projects.

Perhaps we should find some zelous people to grow pointy hair and act stupid to be the OSPHBs.

Re:Offer from BS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978253)

We'd all like to be doing what we love to do, but sometimes we learn to grow by doing what makes us more money and ultimately more leisure time to spend with friends and family.

Participation in the dog-eat-dog struggle is almost entirely unnecessary for most people. The poverty level in Western countries exceeds the upper middle class of most other countries.

One could, if one were willing to give up one's lifestyle, live cheaply and have leisure time for friends and family in abundance. A trailer home in Kentucky can be had for $1000, and a diet of ground beef, flour, spices and vegetables can sustain a family for less than $5000 a year.

You are not working for leisure time, don't kid yourself. Almost any working American today could retire and move to a 3rd world country and live comfortably forever. You are working for DSL, the new Radeon, that huge TV, the laptop, your spiffy car, fancy dinners, nice clothes and every other element required to 'keep up with the Joneses'. You find those things more valuable than pursuit of what you love, if you are not doing what you love.

Re:Offer from BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978292)

Is that how YOU live?

Would you WANT too?

How many families making $5000 a year do you think actually like it that way?

Hello?

Re:Offer from BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978409)

Eh? You want to live in a trailer, in Kentucky? A trailer? Your house is a plastic and metal, leaking, easily damaged, tin can, placed in a nice open tornado attracting flat area... nice

Yeah... and I suppose you love the crime rates and toxic liquids in your back yard.

You need a car to get to that job? A junker maybe? You know, something you spend more time working on than being with your family. Nice.

I suppose you don't need cloths either.

Insurance? Screw that!

Investing for retirement? No fucking way! You'll be dead before then anyway.

No need for that dentist crap. You got some K-Mart plies, right? Rock-on!

Diem kids ain't got no use for no schooling books. Right?

Braces? Eh, diem kids teeth with fall out anyway.

Re:Offer from BS (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978475)

Have running water? Then your standard of living is too high. How can the US IT industry possibly compete with India if they demand such frivolities?

On top of that your "diet" including ground beef is for rich Americans. I'm not sure if you really know what poor people eat.

Ground beef is extremely expensive, out here it's $3-$4 per pound (california). But you can get some tougher meats for $2-$3 and you can get tofu or whole chickens from the asian grocery store for $2 . Sometimes I can get steaks when they are on sale for the same price as ground beef, and they have less water and fat in them to cook off than ground beef so you end up with more cooked meat for every pound of raw meat.

As somone who had to live on a tiny amount of money with no job I can tell you that buying raw ingredients isn't usually the cheapest way to go.

I really enjoy fresh fruits and vegetables. But to save money I often bought frozen or canned veggies and things like macaroni and cheese. Turns out you can get fiber and vitamins from fruit roll-ups for a fraction of the price of fresh apples or oranges.

Canned fruit can sometimes be a good deal if you go with a generic brand. And you can save the syrup and make a sweet sauce to put over pancakes. pancake mix is really cheap, maple syrup or cane syrup is not cheap. boil some syrup from canned peachs and/or pears and it's like a treat over maple syrup and you can pretend you aren't actually poor.

If you are living without electricty because you bounced too many checks you can get fast food cheaper. Often fast food is cheaper than buying the ingrediants and making it. McDonalds sells double cheese burgers for $1 each. (regular cheeseburger is $0.99, so spring for the double and just buy half as many as you normally would) If you get a double cheese burger, and split a biggie fries and a bottle of Shasta with a friend you can have a hot meal for under $3. The trick of fast food is never pay the $1.50+ for the drink. And beware of menu items that have advertisements.

Taco bell is also quite cheap. KFC is not that cheap unless you only buy sides or you buy a large bucket and split it with a few people.

Frozen pizza is another option, often you can find the generic brands for under $3. Sometimes they will go on sale for only $1. If you still have electricity you can pick up 8 of these, and when you find some fresh veggies on sale you can slice them up and add them.

But the all time best way to save money is beans. not canned beans, those are expensive. But go to a mexican store and they will sell bulk beans, rice and other things. You can get a 10lb bag of beans for couple dollars, and it will end up making 20lbs+ of food. I'd beware of beans in a little plastic bag they sell at most stores. They are generally 4x-5x the price of buying them 10lbs at a time. The only problem with beans is you have to soak them for a few hours before cooking them and you have to clean the stones out of them.

Another helpful hint to living on the cheap is to simply eat less food. you can live fine on 1200 calories, and it's easy to get that many with hardly any food at all. Generally energy dense foods. fats and carbs are the cheapest food. And many things are vitamin enriched now so children don't get rickets or scurvy because thier parents are too poor to buy them healthy food. (that's not to say rich/normal people bother buying healthy food).

Re:Offer from MS? (1)

Duty (731705) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978300)

I think the parent may have been in reference to this web site [microsoft.com] .

Re:Offer from MS? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978460)

Actually, you may be closer to correct than you think.

Back in the easrly Gentoo days I remember some this or that about him and some other guy. Something about corporate deals and such.

This is about money, trust me. I don't know what he's going to do but from the beginning this individual has shown the signs of backdoor-dealing for money.

Gentoo sucks.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978110)

fp?

It's A Shame.. (3, Informative)

lindec (771045) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978116)

To see Daniel go, but at the very least, the copyrights have been entrusted to a nonprofit foundation, which gives me at least some peace of mind.

Re:It's A Shame.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978162)

Gentoo has been talking about setting up a non-profit foundation for years now (currently is for-profit). Don't hold your breath until you actually see the paperwork

Gentoo corporation news. (5, Interesting)

David Hume (200499) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978413)


From OS News, Posted on 2002-05-14 [osnews.com] :

4. How is Gentoo, the company, organized? What is its member structure? Also, how one can get CVS commit access?

Daniel Robbins: At its heart, Gentoo Linux really isn't a company but a development team and user community. I do have a corporation called Gentoo Technologies, Inc. that holds the copyrights for the vast majority of our GPL code, but that's it. We aren't generating any income from Gentoo Linux (besides donations), and our development team is 100% volunteer. Generally, we have been completely supported by donations, particularly from a few of our developers. For example, our server is in a great datacenter thanks to a generous developer. As we grow, we plan to gradually wean ourselves from our dependence on donations by developing creative and "free software-friendly" ways of generating income.


Does Robbins own all of the stock in Gentoo Technologies, Inc.? If so, conversion to non-profit status may be easy (though having the IRS recognize it as non-profit for tax purposes may not.) If others own some of the stock, it conversion may prove problematic as they might have to agree. Otherwise, there might be a shareholders lawsuit for corporate waste (i.e., in this case, making a gift of corporate assets without compensation).

Why was Gentoo Technologies, Inc. initially set up as a for-profit company? It doesn't make sense. Since it was not a 501(c)(3) non-profit, donations to Gentoo Technologies, Inc. were not tax deductible. (Hell, it may have been the case that the donors were legally, albeit technically, responsible to pay gift tax on any donation over the annual limit.)

Re:It's A Shame.. (5, Insightful)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978229)

the copyrights have been entrusted to a nonprofit foundation

Non-profits can be abused. Many non-profit charities pay their CEO's millions in salary and bonuses. I seem to remember the CEO of United Way getting paid something $25 million a while back. Non-profits can pretty much do anything they want with their money. Large paychecks, bonuses, wasteful spending, whatever... Anyway, just being non-profit does not make it a bastion of integrity.

Re:It's A Shame.. (1)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978576)

Non-profits can pretty much do anything they want with their money. Large paychecks, bonuses, wasteful spending, whatever

They can do whatever they want? I thought it was more like they were obligated to? They're not supposed to make a profit, so they have to spend whatever income they get somehow, right?

As a person who never used Gentoo (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978124)

I can say that Tony Robbins will be sorely missed for his inspirational Linux self-help books.

Re:As a person who never used Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978161)

"There is no such thing as failure. There are only results." -Anthony Robbins

Re:As a person who never used Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978183)

He and that "Baskin" guy made some great ice cream.

Re:As a person who never used Gentoo (1)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978564)

obligatory family guy quite:

"Tony robbins, hungry." aahhhrmmm. ahhhhrrmm.

Bah what did he give us? (4, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978125)

A free distro?

What?

A free distro?

Oh right, yeah. But beside that, what has he given us?

Technical support?

Oh yeah, that goes without saying...

Infrastructure?

Yeah, oh yeah it was much worse before...

Ok ok, beside a free distro, technical support and infrastructure what has he given us? That's right, nothing...

The copyrights to the distro?

Oh shut up you! ;-)

Re:Bah what did he give us? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978232)

Monty Python is teh b0ring.

Re:Bah what did he give us? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978474)

Whatever mike. And you're never seeing your fucking lunch money neither.

Hmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978127)

1. Open Non-Profit Organization
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!

Re:Hmmm (3, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978177)

1. Open Non-Profit Organization
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!


I think that it goes more like this;

1. Resign from overseeing a linux distibution that requires long hours and thankless mind-numbing work.
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!

Re:Hmmm (1)

antic (29198) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978212)

1. Open Non-Profit Organization
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!

I think that it goes more like this;

1. Resign from overseeing a linux distibution that requires long hours and thankless mind-numbing work.
2. ???
3. Profit!!!!

I think the step of resigning is the means of profitting. i.e., 1. start linux distro, 2. quit linux distro, 3. profit...

D Robbins (5, Insightful)

chevybowtie (96127) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978133)

Daniel Robbins day to day contributions will be missed. He has created the simplest way to manage a source based ditro to date. I hope his spirit will continue to influence the direction of the project.

I have learned more about how Linux works in the last year with Gentoo than I had in the previous 3 trying RH, Debian and Suse.

Re:D Robbins (-1, Troll)

sweet cunny muffin (771671) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978153)

This sounds like an obitory. He's not sodding dead you fucking piece of shit. I'd like to kill you and fuck your lifeless skull.

Re:D Robbins (1)

Mourgos (621534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978166)

If you really want to find out how linux really "works" you should try Linux from Scratch [linuxfromscratch.org] .

Re:D Robbins (2, Insightful)

tzanger (1575) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978489)

Like Gentoo, LFS doesn't do much to teach you what's going on -- it's a set of instructions to follow, while Gentoo is a ... well, set of instructions to follow. How many people actually step beyond these directions when something breaks? Not a good lot of them if the Gentoo/LFS forums and IRC channels are any indication. "Wuhh x broke, what do I do now?" is all too common, much like Ask Slashdot postings where the answer is found by plugging the question into Google.

I've always seen an inherent problem with source-based distros that don't actually make you get down in the muck and bugger with the source -- They give you a little more insight but really it's just a package-based distro which happens to use the source tarballs and prefab patches and Makefiles to make the build tool happy and consistent. You're really no further ahead with Gentoo or LFS than you are with Mandrake or Debian or SuSE.

If you want to learn the internals stop using a hand-holding distro, grab Slack [slackware.org] , cut your teeth building stuff that wasn't on the CD (or try remaking something from the CD!)... Then realize that it's a royal waste of time and a security risk requiring a compiler on every system and making your first few packages... Learn the intracasies of trying to make Perl module packages or Apache shared libs that can be used on several systems. Now grab something like CheckInstall [asic-linux.com.mx] to make your life just a tad easier and learn all its weirdnesses. Break things and try to fix them, and then realize that you now have some really solid foundations to truly learn how Linux works.

Now that the foundations are laid, go build some small i386-based systems using nothing more than a dev environment and chroot. Don't cheat by grabbing a buildroot. LFS helps give some direction here, as do the busybox and uclibc mailing lists. When you can build these and understand what's going on, you've actually learned how Linux works and how the pieces fit together. Go tweak a kernel or write a driver for some nifty piece of hardware to round out your knowlege. You've now got enough of an education to get a decently-paying job in the embedded systems industry. Round it out with some good networking experience from packet dumps and screwing around with raw sockets and such and you have got a really solid technical background for practically anything Linux.

Now I didn't say the process was for everyone, and I certainly didn't say that this is how everyone should learn it. I'm just getting sick to the teeth of people claiming they know how Linux works and how to build programs when all they've learned how to do was run "emerge someprogram" and give dumb looks if it doesn't go right.

Re:D Robbins (1)

alokeb (764754) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978168)

Fully agree with parent. I considered my self a newbie-intermediate user with RH. Now I'm back to being a newbie with so many things to learn ;-) (I mean that in a good sort of way)

Re:D Robbins (1)

metallikop (649953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978308)

His spirit??? He's not dead man.

Re:D Robbins (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978335)

He didn't create portage, he stole it from the BSD groups.

Re:D Robbins (5, Insightful)

RoadkillBunny (662203) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978375)

I have learned more about how Linux works in the last year with Gentoo than I had in the previous 3 trying RH, Debian and Suse.
You aren't the only one. I really like the documents on the site. The installation handbook made it a breeze and setuping other apps was easy too from the documentation on their site.

Final words, thanks Daniel Robibs for providing us with a advanced distro that is easy to use.

Re:D Robbins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978432)

As others have mentioned Linux from scratch is the best for learning.

CRUX Linux is probably the easiest and fastest source based Linux distro.

Gentoo? meh...

Gentoo's future (1, Insightful)

Mourgos (621534) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978147)

1) Leader resigns
2) Developers don't agree on future features, etc.
3) Gentoo goes down the crapper.
4) Distro gets forked.
5) Both go down the drain.

Pitty :(

You Forgot (0, Redundant)

Professor Cool Linux (759581) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978192)

6)???
7)Profit... (But whom is the question)

Re:Gentoo's future (5, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978194)

Doubt that. There are many many many people behind the scenes of Gentoo. Specifically each package you see there has at least one maintainer [most maintainers handle a slew of stuff].

Thought yeah some central authority to guide the project is required asap to keep the momentum.

Tom

Re:Gentoo's future (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978249)

How about:
1) Leader signs over copyrights currently owned by his company to nonprofit organization.
2) Leader resigns position in non-profit organization, to avoid a conflict of interest.
3) Other companies see that they can now work on project without signing rights over to their competitor.
4) Other companies (esp. VARs) and people join project.
7) Daniel: Profit! Daniel's competitors: Profit! Developers: Develop!

Re:Gentoo's future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978307)

8) Wake up from best dream EVAR!

Re:Gentoo's future (0, Flamebait)

rodgerd (402) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978295)

You missed the upside: no more incessant crapping in threads by Gentoo zealots.

Re:Gentoo's future (2, Funny)

ttrafford (62500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978427)

I think the number of people using the phrase "Gentoo zealots" has actually now surpassed said group.

Congratulations!

Re:Gentoo's future (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978451)

You're right. I'll just piss on you now.

Re:Gentoo's future (0, Redundant)

filtur (724994) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978429)

1) Leader resigns
2) Developers don't agree on future features, etc.
3) Gentoo goes down the crapper.
4) Distro gets forked.
5) Both go down the drain.

6) Profit!

Oh wait, that can't be right....

Astounded (1)

SavedLinuXgeeK (769306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978150)

Wow, this must have been a tough descision for daniel to make, I mean its almost like putting your kid up for adoption. I am an avid gentoo user, and this terrifies me. I hope that someone will step up and fill his shoes, because otherwise gentoo may be facing the road of other distros, a slow and painful death.

Hrm... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978152)


Insert lame transitional government joke here.

board of trustees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978163)

I hope they will have a member responsible for coordination with other GNU distros i.e. Debian.
Linux has better chance to prosper with a coordinated development thus avoiding unnecessary duplication...

resignation (0, Funny)

SKPhoton (683703) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978174)

He actually meant to resign last Friday but it took some time to compile his letter of resignation.

People need to set their humor CFLAGS (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978512)

Come on...that made me spit my soda.

Gentoo is Dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978175)

I just had to say it.

Open for Daniel (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978180)

The remaining developers' back doors will always be open for Daniel's big member.

The future of Gentoo (5, Insightful)

klieber (124032) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978184)

Daniel was an important, driving force behind Gentoo and his absence will undoubtedly be felt on the team. That said, he has laid the groundwork for a Not-for-Profit organization, lead by a Board of Trustees that will continue to ensure that Gentoo Linux remains a vibrant, capable distribution.

For those of you concerned about this change, I remind you that Gentoo is one of the few remaining community-based Linux distributions. We are as successful as our community makes us. Thus, the best thing you can do to ensure the future success of Gentoo is to participate in its development, whether it be through testing ebuilds, writing documentation, fixing bugs on bugzilla or any one of the thousands of myriad tasks that make up Gentoo Linux.

I'm not sure what Daniel's plans are for the future, but I wish him the best in whatever he chooses to pursue.

Reason for resignation (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978203)

"Gentoo Linux has experienced rapid growth in the past year--much to the credit of Daniel Robbins, the founder and Chief Architect of the project. Earlier today, he announced his resignation from his role on the gentoo-nfp mailing list.

After 4 years of compilation and rapid disk usage growth, the build was 98% complete when the hard drive became full and the the build failed. Daniel Robbins was then struck by a wave of despair and tendered his resignation. Last we heard of him, he was in a house for the mentally disabled, installing, formatting then reinstalling Mandrake and Debian on a 486 box over and over again, banging his head on the wall, munbling incomprehensible things about "precompiled" this or that...

Re:Reason for resignation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978216)

Gentoo is dead. RIP Gentoo

Re:Reason for resignation (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978284)

GODDAMIT! I *KNEW* we shouldn't have used a bsd-inspired packaging system, now we are dying too! Argh! ;(

--SD

An Etiquette question (5, Funny)

Magickcat (768797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978208)

Should one wear a "tux" to a Linux distro's funeral?

Re:An Etiquette question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978423)

You must be envious Debian user. I'll leave you to your "stale" distro now.

Re:An Etiquette question (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978469)

"You must be envious Debian user. I'll leave you to your "stale" distro now."
I think you made a typo there, it's "stable"... wait a minute, that was a pun or something wasn't it?

Re:An Etiquette question (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978537)

pick up the slack-ware a red-hat, and smoke mandrakes all night long.

Gentoo (5, Insightful)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978225)


Its well enough. It goes to show that talent is something you cannot fake, not even with a committee. When I saw Gentoo three things really stood out for me,

1) It was a truely refreshing outlook on a distribution
2) It is source based
3) I was free from being unwitting pawn in the software binary release freedom debate

When I ran and got to know Gentoo I saw genius was at work, the light nimble free-floating kind of genius unencumbered by committee. Much of that was DRobbins shining through (as shown by his technical writings of frontier Linux applications for IBM.)

I will be sad to see him go, but to me it looked as if his inspiration was diluted by so many faces long ago. Don't get me wrong Gentoo is still my favorite and I run it exclusively at home. I think its gained much from Seemant and the others. But you just have to admire sometimes what individual talent can do on its own.

Re:Gentoo (1, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978251)

1) It was a truely refreshing outlook on a distribution

*COUGH* FreeBSD

2) It is source based

So? my apps will go 5% faster if I bother to wait 5000% more during the install?

3) I was free from being unwitting pawn in the software binary release freedom debate

Do they distribute a bag of coke with the Gentoo CD? What in the name of the Lord are you talking about?

Re:Gentoo (4, Informative)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978298)

So? my apps will go 5% faster if I bother to wait 5000% more during the install?

Arrgh. Time to feed the trolls. Let me explain. After the install, you never actually wait for the packages to compile/install. You can use kde-3.2.0 while (should you feel the need to upgrade) you are compiling 3.2.2.
I've got you down as a friend, so you must have said something insightful in the past.

Re:Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978361)

Let me precise: I didn't say you couldn't use KDE while a newer version compiles, I said the newer version takes forever to finally be usable. When I apt-get upgrade a fresh Debian install, it takes no longer than the time to download the pre-built packages and some goofing around to get something going. If I want to use the latest KDE, it doesn't matter to me that I can use the previous one in the meantime.

Also, compiling things to make them fast(er) isn't really useful anymore, given the speed of today's processors and the amount of memory available. It's more of a modern day computer pedantism than anything else.

But then, whatever you fancy: I'm happy with Debian, my Mom's happy with MDK, and you're happy with Gentoo, so everybody's happy :-)

Re:Gentoo (4, Interesting)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978449)

*COUGH* FreeBSD

That old hat is a refreshing outlook on a distribution? Surely you jest. Its a good outlook, don't get me wrong. But I don't know that I'd call it refreshing.

So? my apps will go 5% faster if I bother to wait 5000% more during the install?

You get some kick out of spending good money on hardware, and then running software on it that uses nothing more than what could have been done with a 386?

Its true that one will probably never recover the clock-cycles used to compile a distro with the spead that the optomization brings. But then again, just how many spare clock cycles does your computer have? Chances are even while typing your post into IE your computer is using only 2% of its clock cycles. Think of all the clock cycles you wasted while sleeping last night.

Those times you really need speed (games, heavy computation, etc...), it really pays for itself.

Re:Gentoo (1)

metallikop (649953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978333)

3) I was free from being unwitting pawn in the software binary release freedom debate

It's amazing how you use the term, unwitting pawn. I use Gentoo, don't bring the binary debate in to this... don't ruin it for me.

Re:Gentoo (1)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978485)


Hey, you are talking to a person who is running AFPL-Ghostscript, XFree4.4 and the one true gsview. Your speaking to the choir.

Re:Gentoo (-1, Flamebait)

Magickcat (768797) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978336)

Hey On Lawn, this is completely OT, but I was just wondering how I can contribute to subsidising homosexuals. I noticed your sig. Should I send my cheque to you?

Re:Gentoo (0, Offtopic)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978465)


Just make the check out to "Cash".

Credit where credit is due (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978562)

1) It was a truely refreshing outlook on a distribution
2) It is source based
3) I was free from being unwitting pawn in the software binary release freedom debate


Thank goodness FreeBSD began the ideas behind Portage. People have been using BSD's ports tree for years and years.

I actually prefer Portage, though...would be nice if it was ported to BSD

If you love something truly, let it go! (5, Insightful)

aeoo (568706) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978235)

I think Daniel made a very wise decision. Gentoo is his child, and it looks like the child is reaching maturity and it's time for Gentoo to move out of the parents' house.

Re:If you love something truly, let it go! (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978321)

I think Daniel made a very wise decision. Gentoo is his child, and it looks like the child is reaching maturity and it's time for Gentoo to move out of the parents' house.

Looks more like it's Daddy who's leaving the house in disgust. I guess Gentoo has entered its spotty teenager anarcho-punk years...

as usual (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978241)

Who the fuck cares?
SLASHDOT SUCKS DONKEY ASS!

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Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
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Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

cant emerge a chief architect (5, Funny)

craqboy (588418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978247)

linucks root # emerge chief_architect
Calculating dependencies
emerge: there are no masked or unmasked ebuilds to satisfy "chief_architect".

!!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.
linucks root #

Re:cant emerge a chief architect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978366)

Wow. That was the funniest thing I've ever read. Thanks, craqboy, for making my day.

Has any reason been given? (2, Interesting)

bcore (705121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978312)

Out of curiosity, has drobbins given any explanation as to why he has made this decision? Too much work? Change in priorities? It's definitely sad to see him go... Gentoo forums [gentoo.org] don't seem to have an answer yet, and they're usually the first source of any gentoo news..

On another note, is Gentoo ever gonna get it's own icon on /.? The time is now!

Re:Has any reason been given? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978462)

I second the request for a Gentoo icon on /. Oh wait, this is /....nevermind.

Re:Has any reason been given? (5, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978523)

No details yet - but this [gmane.org]
looks like it may well be part of the reason;
specifically, he cannnot (and should not) have to shoulder the financial risk necessary to shift gentoo to its full Not For Profit status.

Given that he has a young family to support, I for one can sympathise with his position.

There's going to be an official announcement once the dust settles slightly, but this [gentoo.org] appears to be the live gentoo forum thread.

Go easy on it, the forums are pretty heavily loaded at the best of times, and the last thing the place needs is a full blown slashdotting!

rac for king!! (-1, Offtopic)

Valar (167606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978383)

and that is about all I have to say on the subject

Purely Personal (5, Informative)

metallikop (649953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978414)

It seems like Daniel's reasons [gmane.org] for leaving were purely personal/family related. Not that I can blame him

Here's a snippit:

"OK. The purpose of this is to allow me to continue to support my family by doing things like pay for a house, pay for food, and potentially pay off some of the $20,000 in debt I accumulated during my tenure as Chief Architect of Gentoo, etc."

Re:Purely Personal (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978471)

What kind of a retard goes into debt $20,000 to produce free software? It's not like you'll ever make a profit off of it......

Re:Purely Personal (1)

metallikop (649953) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978480)

Apparently someone who cares about what he's created.

A little birdie told me (0)

whovian (107062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978422)

Naw, it's obvious why he left. It's to go join the family business to give out free ice cream [baskinrobbins.com] on Wednesday night.

(Psst ... more free ice cream here [benjerrys.com] on Tuesday.)

Well, we've heard tons of BSD is dying... (1)

chatgris (735079) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978466)

Well, we've heards tons of BSD is dying from the gentoo fans..

Does that mean this is fodder for BSD fans to retort with Gentoo is dieing?

NB. I am a very avid gentoo fan :)

123 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978519)

1) Open non-prophit distro 2) Compile 3) Compile 4) Compile 5) ??? 6) Compile

From the weekly newsletter (4, Informative)

ChaserPnk (183094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8978520)

This is from the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter:

"While Daniel Robbins is busy converting Gentoo into a not-for-profit
organisation on his side of the Atlantic, the German Gentoo developers
have finalised all the necessary steps for registering an almost identical
legal entity, called "eingetragener Verein" (registered association) under
the German law. It'll take the commercial courts another four to six weeks
to acknowledge the setup, but the association[11] is already operational,
has opened a bank account, and started raking in bushels of money via
their new online shop[12], whose main advantage over the Gentoo store[13]
in the US lies in its comparatively low-cost deliveries to customers in
Germany."

another gentoo project leader leaves? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8978559)

this comes on the heels of Seemant Kulleen leaving the corporate side of Gentoo. could this mean Gentoo really isn't good for corporates?
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