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Gentoo Linux Announces Gentoo Linux 2004.1

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the please-feed-the-docs dept.

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Keppy writes "The departure of Daniel Robbins hasn't dented the progress of Gentoo Linux with version 2004.1 being released. ... please support Gentoo by purchasing something from the online store. The Gentoo homepage also has a short message about the future of Gentoo Linux now that Daniel has left. ' Robbat2 writes with an excerpt from the linked announcement: "Please consult our mirror index for download locations and the Gentoo Linux Installation Handbook for detailed installation instructions. Support for Gentoo Linux 2004.1 can be found through our user community by way of the Gentoo Forums, IRC, and various community mailing-lists. Release notes for each architecture can be found linked from the Gentoo Linux Release Engineering project page."

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I prefer Ninnle (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995629)

n/t

Re:I prefer Ninnle (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995824)

107 seats, the 7th biggest party in the Reichstag!

Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and here (4, Interesting)

Novanix (656269) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995633)

Gentoo really is a great operating system, and maybe even for beginners. One of Gentoo's many strengths is the portage system. The portage system is a easy to use system that allows you to build just about any application from source automatically (and often with Gentoo optimizations). It can automatically build all the dependencies for the program too, saving you much time and effort. The portage system also supports binaries (must mention to avoid stoning) however that is often only used in replication systems. Since you can easily setup your own portage mirrors you can create your own custom packages (either that compile from source or are binaries) and easily deploy across your own servers. This would allow you to configure packages on one machine and then just distribute the binaries across duplicate machines if you wished (as I have heard of being done). I also have found Gentoo emerges rarely fail when compared to some of the problems you can run into with RPM. Another large benefit of gentoo is it doesn't install anything that isn't needed to clutter your system up. It will install the bare bones, (ssh, etc) and then you can emerge anything you want. This is much nicer than most OS's which will load it with crap from the start. It is one of the most configurable distributions I have seen, and every Gentoo install is truly unique. Again, while it may give you the barebones to start it takes little work (minus the cpu time to compile) to get it to where you want it. As I said earlier, I think Gentoo may even be a bit beginner friendly. While setup is a bit long and not nearly as easy as something like Redhat, they have a very easy to follow tutorial which walks you through it step by step that I think most beginners could follow. In addition, they have 3 different ways to install Gentoo. A live cd version that is basically bootable and then you have 3 different stages you can choose from. Stage One is a bit insane, for those who really need total control over what is installed. For most people Stage Two is fine as it still compiles virtually everything from scratch, giving you a ton of control, just saves some time over Stage One. Stage Three is for those who just need something fast or are a bit new, and can install binaries of various things to save you compile time and easy of install. This makes Gentoo truly amazing.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995645)

-1 Fanboy Sputter
-1 Learn to use line breaks
-1 Offtopic

SHUT THE FUCK UP, LOSER ! (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995654)

get a life, nobody cares about you.
(BTW: YOU FAIL IT !!!)

Re:SHUT THE FUCK UP, LOSER ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995800)

You're new here, aren't you ?
However lame this guy is, he gets the lamer mods' points...
I hope somebody posts a nice flamebait otherwise, it'll definitely be an uninteresting story.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995677)

That, folks, is karma whoring at it's best!

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995714)

rofl

So true!

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (5, Interesting)

Entropy (6967) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995710)

I just switched about three weeks ago from Debian to Gentoo, and so far I love it!

emerge is as easy for me as apt-get was, and the only difference is I have to be patient with long builds. For me, thats a "so what" ?

I'd personally rather wait during the install, than wait while the machine is supposed to be running.

And while I am not a linux newbie, I certainly am no guru (yet :^), but I find Gentoo as easy as Debian. BOTH are MUCH better than RedHat, IMHO.

Anyhow, whatever *nix one chooses, it handily beats Windoze over the head except for gaming. *sigh*

Linux on THE desktop? Linux is on MY desktop.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995754)

Anyhow, whatever *nix one chooses, it handily beats Windoze over the head except for gaming. *sigh*

Linux on THE desktop? Linux is on MY desktop.


You are so fucking gay, it's not even funny.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1, Offtopic)

andy666 (666062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995729)

Yeah, but why do people put so much energy into these different distributions when it would profit the linux community and the rest of the world much more if linux was able to easily do things like download pictures from my digital camera ?

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995797)

Hmmm, funny, but I just plug in my USB Fuji Camera and Linux automatically mounts it as a removable drive and I can then drag and drop the pictures anywhere on my other drives, no problems at all.
Maybe your problem lies somewhere between the keyboard and chair....

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (2, Interesting)

andy666 (666062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995823)

Well a year ago I had a system administrator try to get Mandrake to talk to an Olympus C3030 and it never happened!

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1)

westi (212076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995896)

Have you tried gphoto [gphoto.org] for all you digital camera access needs?

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (3, Insightful)

andy666 (666062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995877)

I should add, that your response is too typical of the linux community - "To get it to work is easy..just do such and such...oh it didn't work ? You must be ignorant" or some such insult. This is exactly the sort of nonsense that keeps linux from being widespead.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1)

Paul d'Aoust (679461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995918)

hmmmmmmmmmm... I am one of those 'ignorant' people, and I got my Minolta E223 camera mounted no problem. (by the way, never buy an E223; it's not a great camera. Go for an Olympus.) It simply mounted as a USB bulk storage device.

Maybe, though, Olympus cameras are different -- I know my Olympus USB multi-flash-card reader doesn't play nice with Linux -- or Windows, for that matter. I wonder what they're using for controller chips.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1)

andy666 (666062) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996025)

This is another variation of the problem. Yes right,

"it worked for me and so it will work on every possible distribution with any device. I can't possibly imagine that with a COMPUTER things might be more complicated in different scenarios."

Things are so fragmented this just isn't the case. It is the one advantage Apple has over Linux. So many times have I had responses like this about "sure no problem in Linux!" and in the end it is either impossible or a total pain in the ass. I really am starting to think that their is a serious psycological issue - too much of the community would prefer to be cogniscenti, and stay "the smart computer guys" rather than let the rest of the world be a part of linux.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995986)

Could you please discribe your difficulties in this area?

If you do this, perhaps people will be able to give helpful advice.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (5, Funny)

42forty-two42 (532340) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995810)

root@gentoo ~# emerge newlines
HTH.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (4, Funny)

irix (22687) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995907)

On topic when replying to this guy and still funny after all this time ... I've got the Karma to burn on the troll mods :)

Official Gentoo-Linux-Zealot translator-o-matic

Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes and leprotards who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...

"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."

"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."

"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."

"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."

"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."

"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."

"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."

"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"

Stages are more flexible than that! (4, Interesting)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995938)

Stages are more flexible than that. If you use a tool like stager or catalyst you can compile fully-optimized stage3 tarballs for your next install from the system you're working on already, so you can still use 'today's' machine while building 'tomorrow's'.

I have a stager script that I've hacked the bejeezus out of and configured to generate 2.6-headered NPTL systems that are fully optimized, even though the installs start at stage3. I've got flowcharts and stuff to keep track of the 'stage evolution'

here's my process, IIRC:

1. have working gentoo system with stager and a stage1 snapshot.
2. emerge sync
3. unmask or modify certain .ebuilds for desired result (gcc-3.3.3 and linux-headers-2.6.5 come to mind). Also modify stager for optimizations and stager/files/make.conf.$ARCH for USE flags.
3. stager snap $DATE-custom
4. stager athlon-xp 2 stage1 $DATE-custom
5. stager athlon-xp 1 $DATE-custom $DATE-custom
6. clean out temp files in /var/stager for good luck
7. stager athlon-xp 2 $DATE-custom $DATE-custom
8. stager athlon-xp 3 $DATE-custom $DATE-custom

so now you've got a fully-native NPTL stage1 to build other stages from and a fully-native stage3 ready to install.

My actual system is a lot more complex, as I build a 'generic i686' stage1 and then fork off to Pentium3 ad Athlon-XP builds for my different machines. I've also got a totally seperate stage geneology for the PPC build, but they all share the portage snapshots and configs for consistency.

Re:Gentoo is one of the best linux distribs, and h (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996003)

It can automatically build all the dependencies for the program too, saving you much time and effort.
I agree with this. Much of the user friendliness is in taking care of the dependencies. Users @ all skill levels don't want to search around for dependencies.

I also agree that the installation process is user friendly. User friendly isn't necessarily the same as automated. Sometimes you need to have certain options, but if the installer automatically installs without the option, then it could be considered user unfriendly. I consider the install documentation user friendly, because it tries to explain what you need to do, as well as give reasonable defaults.
Another large benefit of gentoo is it doesn?t install anything that isn?t needed to clutter your system up. It will install the bare bones, (ssh, etc) and then you can emerge anything you want. This is much nicer than most OS?s which will load it with crap from the start.
This is not true. It installs some things that I definitely don't need. I don't use my CD drive, so it shouldn't be installing things like "eject". There were a couple of other programs that I definitely didn't want, also. These programs weren't huge so it didn't really matter, but still.

Another complaint that I have is the modprobing every time you boot up. I turn my workstation off each night to save electricity, & wear 'n tear. To have to go through the modprobe each time is wasteful. Modprobbing is supposed to be done during kernel install.

It's still a wonderful OS, though.

Am already there! (0, Redundant)

the_thunderbird (682833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995640)

I am already ugrading, this is by far the best distro I have used :) together with debian :-D

Re:Am already there! (2, Interesting)

Some Bitch (645438) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995679)

Why not upgrade every week like most of us do?

emerge -uvD system
emerge -uvD world
etc-update

Re:Am already there! (1)

the_thunderbird (682833) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995730)

Thats what I am doing!

Re:Am already there! (1)

Too Much Noise (755847) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995772)

... assuming you have emerge sync as a cron job ^_^

Re:Am already there! (0)

ttrafford (62500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995789)

Isn't "system" a subset of "world"?

Re:Am already there! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995882)

Yes. You do not need to do system if you are doing world. World is a list of all packages installed on the system.

Further: Not using the -p switch to see what will be installed during your updates is probably a bad idea, though blindly doing an update is better than not doing updates at all... Certainly the official documentation suggests that you use the pretend flag to check dependencies. This will also tell you if somehow something you need for upgrading has been masked and cannot be updated.

For current Gentoo users, no need to "upgrade" (1)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995969)

If you use, as I do:

"emerge sync && emerge -UDvp world"

once a day, or once every other day or so (not more than this, once daily should be enough, if you do it more it could slow down the rsync servers...don't be greedy).

You do this a few times a week and you've GOT the up-to-date Gentoo already. The "Gentoo Linux 2004.1" is mainly a new version for the install CD's.

And I've also been using Gentoo since about last October and haven't looked back. It's kinda cool since I built this system from scratch (bought the components and case etc etc and slapped it all together) and then built the OS from scratch that goes on it. This machine has never run any other OS...hehe, it hasn't been "tainted".

And as far as compiles go, people saying that it takes forever are full of it. I let mine emerge sync at night and it's ready to roll in the morning. The only time I ever reboot my machine is when I have major Kernel upgrades (for instance going from 2.6.4 to 2.6.5 etc). And even then that only takes about 10 minutes...tops.

Gentoo is a great distro. And personally, it was the easiest to get up and running. And I know EXACTLY what is loaded and what isn't. Not a lot of un-needed crap that other distros tend to throw in for no good reason.

Awww crap! (-1, Funny)

twenty-exty-six (772817) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995642)

After about a month and a half I just finished compiling 2004.0.

Re:Awww crap! (1)

rayde (738949) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995732)

don't worry... i'm also already running gentoo, and a emerge -p world doesn't list anything outdated on my system... I think this release is only going to provide updates to the install process and to the base system. once you're up and running, emerging new package will keep you just as up to date as the new releases will (since all they install is the very base system anyway).

Awww crap! (1)

pointzero (707900) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995738)

If you're going to install it on your 486, do us a favor:

1) Stop complaining about long installs, it's your fault. 2) Read the instructions because it should take nearly that long. 3) Install from binary... that should shorten your install time 100000x fold.

----
This message has been written on a Gentoo Linux System.

Re:Awww crap! (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995807)

Why would you want to install from a binary? Won't your biggest speed gains come from optimizing libc and other widely-used libraries?

Re:Awww crap! (1)

blkwolf (18520) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995875)

You can get binary stage3/grp install cd's or .iso's for your particular cpu and architecture.
This lets you take advantage of both the speed of a binary install and a base system that's been optimized for your cpu class.

Re:Awww crap! (0, Offtopic)

SQLz (564901) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995796)

How is this funny? Someone should mod it down for being redundant and over played.

News or Commercial? (3, Insightful)

deutschemonte (764566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995643)

This sounds more like a commercial than news to me.

Re:News or Commercial? (1)

datastalker (775227) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995964)

As it will happen every quarter, you'd best get used to it. ;)

gentoo forges ahead (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995657)

Gentoo is taking Linux into the 21st century.

Debian takes Linux back to the 90s.

Gentoo innovates.

Debian beauracrats argue amongst themselves and ad another year to the release schedule.

Things of note... (5, Insightful)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995663)

1) For posts like this, it's good to be a subscriber. ;)

2) It's good to see that the DR announcement has not changed anything in terms of release schedule, and the job they did setting up the hierarchy seems to be working very well.

3) At least one mirror has a file claiming to be 2005.1. While Gentoo is great, I don't think that it's being delivered from the future. (At least not yet. ;) )

4) The minimal CD is still only 82MB!

5) Slashdot, could Gentoo get its own icon? It's here [gentoo.org] . Thanks!

In related news, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995668)

Debian has announced their expected release of Sarge to coincide with the next ice age.

Re:In related news, (4, Funny)

deutschemonte (764566) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995764)

In other news, environmental scientists claim they have proof that Microsoft is to blame for global warming.

PAY ATTENTION MODERATORS (2, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995864)

(Said in a gollum voice of course)

This is not a troll. Here, let me explain this joke so the humor impaired can figure it out. Debian released in the next ice age, Microsoft postponing the ice age.

Is this a deliberate abuse of the moderation system, or just the result of the moderation work by an idiot who never should have had mod points?

The scary part is that this is the kind of thing which tends to just get clicked off affirmatively during metamoderation. "Looks like the usual anti-M$ diatribe to me! (click)"

Re:In related news, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995822)

Debian has announced their expected release of Sarge to coincide with the next ice age.

Or, right around the time I finish compiling 2004.1.

Re:In related news, (4, Funny)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995860)

Which is still before Longhorn will come out. :)

LOL WELLS FARGO SUCKS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995669)

PROOF-ADJ ATM DEPOSIT KEYING ERROR $30.00 +

LOL THEY GAVE ME EXTRA MONEY FOR NO APPARENT VALID REASON

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Hooray for Gentoo (5, Interesting)

PuffCammy (739447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995685)

I've used Gentoo since last October. Before that, I had essentially never seen a Linux machine. It is my first distro and I haven't really looked back. I've tried others just to see what they were like, mainly Fedora and Debian, but they just don't shape up to the standards I've put and Gentoo has given me. It took a while in the beginning to learn all the ins and outs, but now I can navigate through it with so much ease. Hoorah to Gentoo and its bleeding-edge innovation.

Give it a go. (5, Informative)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995697)

If you have never tried Gentoo, you should give it a try. Contrary to popular belief, you can have the base installed and running in 15 minutes, and from then you just emerge the packages you want. gentoo-dev-sources, openssh, sysklogd, vixie-cron, at, ntp, whatever.
The documentation is brilliant, and all the defaults for the packages are sensible, and well thought out.
When I install a box, I do it at about 4pm. Give it 30 mins to configure, and install a new kernel, reboot, and leave it to emerge -u world ; emerge kde mozilla overnight.
Couple of things though - emerge ufed, and gentoolkit - ufed is a gui for editting USE flags, and gentoolkit contains qpkg.

A very brief doc I knocked up is here [umtstrial.co.uk] . It's probably slightly out of date by now, but you get the idea.

The Gentoo "geek-factor" (5, Insightful)

lacrymology.com (583077) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995702)

I am relatively new to the Linux game, so perhaps I am just ignorant -- so please forgive me if that is the case. However, it seemed to me as an outsider that true geeks used Linux, while mortals used Windows and Mac. However, having joined the fray it seems that within the Linux community is highly fragmented. Now it seems that the true geeks use Debian and Gentoo, while the mortals use Mandrake and Redhat. Weird.
-m

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (1)

krumms (613921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995868)

I'm sitting in front of two monitors:

To the left is Gentoo (running 2004.1) on an Athlon XP 3200+ w/ 1Gb of RAM (my main workstation), to the right, Debian unstable on an Athlon XP 2800+ w/ 512Mb of RAM (currently in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade, and downloading what seems to be lots of KDE packages).

Meanwhile, I'm downloading FreeBSD 5.2.1 for my little router. So what does that make me? :)

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995947)

In a word: Busy.

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8996017)

One question: What are you doing that needs such systems, other than compiling the programs you use?

I'm still ticking away on a 400 MHz Pentium II, and even if Mozilla takes around ten seconds to start up, that's perfectly okay since I leave it running for days on end.

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (5, Insightful)

IncarnadineConor (457458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995897)

Once you move to Gentoo you'll realize that true geeks use BSD. When you get there you'll realize they use Plan 9. And you'll never actually use Plan 9, because no one uses Plan 9, so the cycle ends there.

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (1)

dijjnn (227302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996012)

I wish i used Plan 9. Such a cool name, such a cool set of ideas, and their mascot is so cuddly despite it's odly alien appearance.

Plus, i'd be cool then. But instead, i'm just a run of the mill GNU/Linux user. <sigh>

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (4, Funny)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996029)

I know a couple of folks who use Plan 9. In fact, one of them is planning on
moving to Inferno because Plan 9 is getting too mainstream.

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (1)

dijjnn (227302) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995981)

ctually, it's much more complicated than that. "True geeks" prefer different distributions for different purposes.

I myself use debian on my laptop and gentoo on my desktop. I've used Slackware, Redhat, Knoppix (a livecd), Mandrake, SuSE, LinuxPPC, Yellow Dog , and probably others i can't recall, and in addition NetBSD, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD. Most have their strengths, all have their weaknesses.

Re:The Gentoo "geek-factor" (1)

Paul d'Aoust (679461) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995995)

a very interesting take on the Linux community! I suppose some would say it's fragmented, and curse the fragmentation; while others would say it's diverse, and laud the diversity. It's all in what you like, I suppose. I'm kind of in between. I hate the inconsistency, but I like being able to choose one distro over another. (Mine is Gentoo, by the way, although I don't imagine that matters.)

I've noticed a lot of 'true geeks' using Fedora (née Red Hat) lately... I guess they're the RH-loyal geeks, as well as those who like to live on the edge of the cliff.

Upgrade (2, Insightful)

ChaserPnk (183094) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995708)

What's the easiest way to upgrade for current users?

Re:Upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995746)

emerge -u world

Re:Upgrade (1)

omega9 (138280) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995753)

# emerge -u world

And you're done.

Re:Upgrade (1)

fox8118 (538985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995755)

What's the easiest way to upgrade for current users?

Just emerge sync and then emerge -UupD world
That should get everything.

Re:Upgrade (1)

fox8118 (538985) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995787)

Just emerge sync and then emerge -UupD world

Woops. Its 'emerge -UuD world'. 'emerge -UupD world' is if you want to view all of the packages that the system will upgrade.

Upgrading is not needed (3, Informative)

BuddieFox (771947) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995757)

Actually, with the Gentoo portage, current Gentoo users should be the ones least interested in new Gentoo distributions, since Gentoos portage allows updating of components to "the latest version" regardless of what cd-version you used to install it.

To me the greatest benefit of Gentoo is this: I do not need to blow a machine clean and install a new version or risk a lot with an uncertain install of large packages, I just gradually update my system as new versions become available!

And contrary to popular belief, Gentoo is pretty "user friendly" since it allows "on the fly updating". But this is of course once you actually have your system working flawlessly to begin with.. :)

Re:Upgrading is not needed (1)

ch3 (701440) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995967)

That's actually my biggest complain with Gentoo. Every time they release a new version I've got nothing more to do than "emerge rsync && emerge -u world" :(

I've got a server installed with "1.1 something" and another with "1.4" and they never saw the install CD again...

Maybe it's time to get a new computer so I can see the improvements in Gentoo's installation CD ;)

Re:Upgrading is not needed (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996032)

And contrary to popular belief, Gentoo is pretty "user friendly" since it allows "on the fly updating"

How is that different to every other distribution under the sun?

Re:Upgrade (1)

the_bard17 (626642) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995762)

'emerge sync && emerge -u world'

Re:Upgrade (1)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995777)

emerge sync && emerge -uvD world

Although, there are about a few dozen different ways to do the same thing..

man emerge (very informational)

How to upgrade... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995799)

No need to download this CD to upgrade.
1. "emerge sync"
2. "emerge -pv world"
3. Look at the list of packages and see if you need to upgrade them, or if the upgrade will break something.
4. "emerge [packagename]"

Some people say to just "emerge world", which will upgrade everything on the system. Problem is that you don't really want to be doing blind upgrades like that. A new version that just came out could have some security hole in it that you don't know about. Also, you should only upgrade if the newer version is a security fix or has a feature you need. UPgrading for shits and giggles is not a good idea. Also, don't forget to run "etc-update". (but READ THE MANPAGE FIRST, it can severely bork your system if you don't do it right. Consult the Gentoo forums for more infol.)

Re:Upgrade (1)

42forty-two42 (532340) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995834)

emerge -au world :)

about that departure (4, Insightful)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995735)

"The departure of Daniel Robbins hasn't dented the progress of Gentoo Linux with version 2004.1 being released. ... "

Robbins anounced his departure.. what.. last monday ?? Ofcourse his departure didn't affect the release... it was already finished !

And Robbins hopes to continue working on the release engineering aspect of Gentoo...

yawn,,, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995739)

another lame distro.

more lame linux shit that takes 2 to 3 weeks to configure.

give it up. it's over

Drobbins' store (2, Interesting)

redog (574983) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995743)

The gentoo store's funds go directly to Daniel Robbins. This is planned to change as soon as drobbins has the not for profit org in place. Untill then your purchaces fund him directly not the gentoo project.

-Not that he hasn't done alot to deserve the money. But If your trying to support the community that supports gentoo you may want to wait untill the NFP community is actually created instead of funding the departing founder.

Re:Drobbins' store (3, Insightful)

ViceClown (39698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995943)

Daniel has also accumulated on the order of about $20,000 in dept keeping Gentoo going so... helping the guy who gave us all Gentoo feed his kids isn't such a bad thing, IMHO :-)

Re:Drobbins' store (4, Insightful)

cornice (9801) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995970)

It seems that Drobbins could maintain ownership of the trademark and thus profit from the store indefinitely. That said, you obviously have not followed the effort and money that Drobbins has put into Gentoo. From a Gentoo Newsletter:

In addition, Daniel will retain royalty-free rights to use of the "Gentoo" trademark and the "G" logo, allowing him to continue him to run the Gentoo Store if he wants, in order to support his family and attempt to pay some of the $20,000 in debt he accumulated during his tenure as Chief Architect.

I think Drobbins deserves every penny that can be squeezed from the Gentoo store and then some. Thanks Daniel.

autoupdate (1, Informative)

Tobias Luetke (707936) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995744)

updating: emerge -D world

Re:autoupdate (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995909)

Updating: Done with the -u flag. -D is "deep". RTFM, por favor, preferably before spreading misinformation.

Upgrade (3, Informative)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995759)

I'm assuming one can upgrade by doing the following:

#emerge sync
#emerge -DUu world

(oh and upgrading to the latest kernel that will be in /usr/src/ after the emerge)

Could someone confirm or deny?

Not a good idea... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995825)

You shouldn't just blindly update everything on the system. (which is what emerge world does) Do "emerge -pv world" to see what would be upgraded; then check and update each package individually.

Re:Not a good idea... (2, Informative)

BenjiPenguin (767955) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995966)

Yes, but this is time-consuming if you have 100 or more packages that need updating. I always go through the list, then mask out everything I don't want updated(in package.mask). Alot quicker. Of course, I'm the same person that emerges complete development packages, soo...

Re:Upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995935)

You don't need the second 'u' flag. -u is --upgrade, -U is --upgradeonly(won't downgrade packages if, for example, you chose to emerge development packages), -U implies -u. Just FYI :) Oh, and by the way, I've never used the -D flag, not sure the use (I'd check but I'm not at home). I've always just done emerge -U world. You can also update only system packages if you want.

Re:Upgrade (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995973)

The -D flag will upgrade packages that were merged as dependencies of packages you specified and, as such, aren't necessarily in the world file. It can be a pain though if you have a number of ~arch packages installed because of dependency issues unless you change your ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to ~arch, but that would update everything to unstable which probably isn't what you want.

Re:Upgrade (3, Informative)

gandalf013 (586578) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996014)

First of all, it is a pretty bad idea to use -U (--upgradeonly), because if the latest version of a package has some bug (either in the software itself, or in the ebuild), then you may well need to downgrade it (and portage will downgrade it [if needed] if you use the -u option). emerge -u is the Right Way.

For the OP, emerge -upv world to see what will be upgraded, and then do an emerge -uv world to actually upgrade it (or you can upgrade only the packages you want to upgrade from the list).

emerge -upv tells you which packages will be upgraded, and with what options (USE flags in Gentoo speak). -p is for pretend, while -v means verbose. Always a good idea before going ahead and doing the actual upgrade.

Of course, with Gentoo, you never need to download the new distribution to make sure you stay current. Just do emerge -u world (after an emerge sync), and you have the latest version.

Re:Upgrade (1)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#8996022)

-D is a deep upgrade, it updates all packages installed not just those explicitly installed.

I always use "Uu" as is supresses the warning that U implies u.

Cool! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995763)

I can hardly wait to try this out on my duel itaniem with gcc-3.4. This is going to rock! AMD fanboys are teh sux0rs.

Gentoo great (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995786)

if you really want/need a Linux distro which is 'personalized' for your hardware.

If you have a stock box and don't love doing compiling orgies go shopping for somthing more conservative like Novell^H^H SuSE, Debian.... IMHO.

Re:Gentoo great (1)

MrSelfDestruct (30535) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995841)

--usepkg

compile?

Well... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995788)

With compiling and tweaking the OS and the applications, I should be ready to use it by 2005.

oooh goody! (-1, Offtopic)

chegosaurus (98703) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995830)

Now I make a lame gag about how long it takes to compile!

Or maybe I should loudly proclaim my leetness by posting my CFLAGS and condemning binary distributions as teh ghey.

Does it still have the same installer? (-1, Redundant)

Hohlraum (135212) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995840)

or does it do 99% of the work for you like other modern distros?

Re:Does it still have the same installer? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995879)

Dude, who needs an installer? You bootstrap Gentoo and off you go. Other distro are so archaic. Geez, I installed Gentoo two years ago and have completely forgotten what "installing" means. Just upgrade, that's it.

Re:Does it still have the same installer? (2, Insightful)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995990)

The original poster has valid point. If you are installing Gentoo on the underwear covered machine at foot of your bed than the current install procedure is fine. You have the time to spare. For production, one does not have the time to duplicate the tedious steps of the Gentoo install procedure for every machine.

Re:Does it still have the same installer? (2, Insightful)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995925)

Gentoo has an installer? That's news to me! Seriously, though, Gentoo doesn't really need an installer because part of the point is to build your system from a minimalist base. Sure, some scripts could be hacked out to automate most things like HDD setup and extracting the stage tarballs, but I think that providing an excellent install document (as Gentoo does) that forces users to understand a bit more about what is really going on under the hood saves many times the effort on the backend when something goes wrong because more users will have some clue where to start troubleshooting.

Best Gentoo Utility! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995852)

By far is esearch. "emerge esearch" will get you a suite of utilities that will index the portage tree and make it easier and faster to search the package descriptions. It will also sync and show you any new or updated packages since the last time you synced. A great addition to any Gentoo machine.

Re:Best Gentoo Utility! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995983)

I do something like this
alias es='esync && eupdatedb'

Throw that in a cronjob and then use esearch to search the portage tree. Much faster and I recommend it over the original way ;)

Cheers,

~ zx 'at' gentoo.org

Removing packages? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995902)

Last time I was looking at Gentoo (about a year ago), one could not safely remove a package from Gentoo. Has that changed?

Portage-NG (2, Interesting)

SavedLinuXgeeK (769306) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995917)

Supposedly Gentoo is switching Portage over to a new system (moving away from python, and to another language), and I thought it was happening soon(like 2004.0), but possibly not. Does anyone else have any idea on when this is happening, because apparently its a big step for Gentoo?

Torrent Link (1)

TimCrider (215456) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995921)

Does anyone have a torrent up for this release?

Twenty-one Ways to Be a Good Liberal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995933)

1.) You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.
2.) You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
3.) You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-bidding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of
Chinese and North Korean communists.
4.) You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
5.) You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by
soccer moms driving SUV's.
6.) You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.
7.) You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.
8.) You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
9.) You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10.) You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
11.) You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start
wars.
12.) You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.
13.) You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14.) You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Mary Washington, Betsy Ross, the American
Pioneer Women, Eleanor Roosevelt, "Rosey the Riveter," and Rosa Parks.
15.) You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
16.) You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice
person.
17.) You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
18.) You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,
but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
19.) You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20.) You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the
Chinese government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
21.) You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing
conspiracy.

for my money - overrated (1)

chegosaurus (98703) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995940)

I tried Gentoo a while back, all the hype round here made it sound quite exciting. I installed the binary base, set all the build variables and let it do its thing.

The system it built for me wasn't noticably faster than my old Slackware install. It certainly wasn't worth the pain of the build process.

Gentoo worked just fine, but in the end I decided I preferred my old "home grown" Slackware setup because I already knew where everything was and how it all fitted together, so I dug out the tape and went back to that.

I've tried lots of distributions over the years and I really can't see any one with any clear benefits. It's all the same kernel, the same desktop and the same tools. (Pretty much.)

I know a lot of people like gentoo's packaging, but I don't really like any packaging beyond the .tar.gz source. ./configure --prefix - how hard can it be?

etc-update (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995963)

Don't forget to run etc-update after you upgrade; that way you can merge any changes to the config files in /etc. (hence the name "etc-update")

IMPORTANT!!!!: make damn sure you know what you are doing before running etc-update!!!! It is very easy to bork your system if you're not paying attention. Read the manpage and check with the forums before using it.

Why is this newsworthy? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8995974)

Why is this newsworthy?
When IBM releases a new version of Domino, is there a posting on macslash?
It is HIGHLY probable that more of Us(tm) have to deal with things like Domino, or Oracle AS, or what-have-you, then some consumer level video editing program.
So what? Apple released, no wait, is GOING TO release a new version of Final Cut.
Did you hear that SUN is going to "ignite" the "Adrenaline Rush" in "Java Technology" based games? Well I hope you didn't hear it on slashdot.
What the fuck? since when are press releases newsworthy? Surely when they relate to the geek population. How many video editors do you know who read macslash? no, really. I know 0
I know 3 IT guys, 2 IT managers, and 4 programmers who read macslash. They don't give a DAMN about some piece of software that they'll never use!
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