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iTunes 4.5 Authentication Cracked

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the powered-by-mountain-dew dept.

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fooishbar writes "Yesterday, Apple released iTunes 4.5, which deliberately broke the 4.2 authentication scheme, which had been successfully reverse-engineered. However, crazney has been at it again, and within 24 hours of downloading iTunes 4.5, has broken the new scheme, and added more features to this library along the way. If you want to incorporate iTMS support in your program, give libopendaap a go!" Reader ScottGant submits this story about the Pepsi/iTunes promotion: "News.com has this story about Pepsi's iTunes promotion give-away. The promotion, which is slated to end this Friday, was to have given away 100 million tracks through Apple's iTunes music site. But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed."

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GNAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008436)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008663)

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Impossible (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008505)

what a load of crap. EVeryone knows /. doesn't HAVE a business model.

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Yay for hackers!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008440)

Err, wait, this is in the Apple section... better change it...

Boo hackers! Stop stealing from Apple. Steve Jobs loves you!

Only five million? (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008443)

That's way less than they anticipated. Only 5 million out of 100 knocked me flat. Since iTunes serves a pretty specific market, I guess that says a lot. Especially since the tracks are free. The question on my mind: how many of those 100 million winners actually reached folks? TFA mentioned something about distribution problems.

Also, about the new authentication crack: I am curious how this will impact their deal to offer free weekly songs, I'm assuming it's some sort of deal with the record industry. Today is a fairly uninspiring Avril Lavigne track (but free! I got it anyway! :P), but I have to wonder.

Re:Only five million? (5, Interesting)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008464)

According to a lot of posts on Macrumors.com and other Mac news sites there were a lot of posts from people in the *huge* markets like New York, LA, San Fran, etc who were posting that they never found a bottle with the promotion on it.

Personally in Raleigh, NC I never saw a 'iTunes' bottle but then again I don't drink a lot of soft drinks anyway.

Re:Only five million? (4, Interesting)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008516)

I hardly drink pepsi in the bottle, just the cans from the vending machine. The couple times I did buy bottles, the 24 ounce bottles where winners, the smaller bottles never won.

Bad thing, I never remembered to keep the bottle, I tossed it like normal. Dont know how many other people don't know, or don't care.

Re:Only five million? (1)

crackshoe (751995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008538)

20 minutes out of NYC (in jersey) i managed to get 18 pepsi caps, and another of my friends found 40. For me, it took until about halfway through the first month of the promotion, since the vendors i get soda from usually don't restock as often as a real store or soda machine.

Re:Only five million? (4, Funny)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008604)

In the St. Louis area, the local Pepsi bottler ran a promo giving away free Blues tickets instead of the iTunes promo. Right about the same time as the Blues fired their head coach during a massive slump, which they pulled out of in time to reach the playoffs and be eliminated in the first round. Pepsi sure knows how to market their product...

I'll stick with Coke, thanks.

Re:Only five million? (1)

Revolution 9 (743242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008469)

I got a free Foo Fighters track from iTMS last night. You said you got an Avril Lavigne track. Have they already changed it or are these two different promotions?

Re:Only five million? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008504)

This week, there is a different free single each day. From then on, there will be one free single each week.

Re:Only five million? (2)

pudge (3605) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008513)

FF was yesterday, Avril today. Check back for something else tomorrow. You missed yesterday's, sorry.

Re:Only five million? (1)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008562)

They're both listed as 'free' at the moment. Trying to walk my wife through downloading them onto my Powerbook via AIM now because I don't want to download it to my work laptop

Look at this link (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008667)

Re:Only five million? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008514)

Well, I redeemed about 3 songs myself. I guess the rest of the Pespi drinkers just couldn't figure out what iTunes was.

*shrug*

(P.S. I'm really a Coke drinker, but after getting a free iTunes song on a Pepsi from a Pizza place, I just couldn't resist trying a few more times.)

Re:Only five million? (0, Offtopic)

chrome (3506) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008566)

Oh, I hear that hot chick in Pepsi's Marketing division wants to marry you ...

Re:Only five million? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008648)

My (extremely attractive) wife might have a thing or two to say about that... ;-)

Re:Only five million? (4, Interesting)

SoCalChris (573049) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008520)

TFA mentioned something about distribution problems.

In the area I'm in (Downtown Long Beach, Ca), the iTunes bottles didn't reach most stores until the end of February. All of the stores were carrying Lakers promotional bottles instead.

Once the iTunes bottles started showing up, I won a few songs. When I went to redeem them, iTunes didn't have any of the specific songs that I wanted. They didn't have any Led Zeppelin songs, so I went looking for some songs off of a CD that my wife wants. They didn't have that either, so my caps didn't get turned in.

Re:Only five million? (4, Funny)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008524)

Especially since the tracks are free
I only got about five free songs...See, I have this odd aversion to developing type 2 diabetes that limits the amount of sugarwater I want to drink.

Re:Only five million? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008544)

I drink Diet Pepsi, so I opted for cancer instead.

Re:Only five million? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008575)

I got over twenty, but didn't drink a drop of Pepsi. I dug through trashcans and recycling bins in persuit of a way to support indie music and hurt Pepsi at the same time.

Re:Only five million? (2, Interesting)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008578)

Thing that gets me is this - who is it that's going to go buy a Pepsi for a free song? $1.29 for a bottlecap with a 33% of a 99-cent song. Doesn't add up. So the only people who would get the songs in the first place were the ones who drink Pepsi to begin with - but most of them drink it in cans. If every cap had a free song then I would see Pepsi sales shoot up - but that's not good for Pepsi to eat 99-cents of whatever they get from the $1.29 sale.

I'd say the only ones who benefit from this deal is Apple, but that credit card requirement scared away most people. So, other than more awareness, Apple didn't gain much from this.

Lack of Linux iTunes (1)

KimiDalamori (579444) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008585)

I have neither Windoze nor MacOS and Wine doesn't feel like running iTunes today. Well, screw it, it's not like they had the music I was hoping for anyways. Anybody want my free song codes?

Re:Only five million? (1)

saddino (183491) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008607)

Especially since the tracks are free.

This is a common misconception. The tracks are only free to those who are regular buyers of Pepsi in single (not six packs nor other bundles) 20 oz or 1-liter bottles (not 2-liters, cans or other sizes). If you don't regularly buy this exact product, then you have to make the choice to buy it for the chance of getting a free iTunes track.

I would've liked the chance to win some tunes, but I buy Diet Pepsi in 12 packs.

I personally got about 30 free songs (3, Interesting)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008619)

My wife and I would go out of our way to get the Pepsies with the promotion. We won quite a few times.

It wasn't a bad promotion, but many times we had to go out of our way to even find the Pepsies with the offer. They were hard to find.

forst porst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008444)

Thanks to the GNAA subscriber ruiner I knew what this story was already! kekeke ^_^

OMG ZERG RUSH!!! kekeke

How do you like them apples? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008446)

First post apples that is ...

Wow. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008458)

That was fast.

That was quick (-1, Troll)

zzTotoro (744370) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008461)

I hope apple didnt invest too much time/money in this new fixed drm. Will these media pimps ever learn?

Re:That was quick (5, Interesting)

pudge (3605) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008498)

I hope apple didnt invest too much time/money in this new fixed drm. Will these media pimps ever learn?

This isn't about DRM, it is about access to the music store, sharing, etc. outside of the iTunes application.

And despite the poster's assertion, there's no real reason to think the authentication scheme was intended to break compatibility; as most developers know, sometimes you need to make changes for other reasons that force a break in compatibility. If this WERE about DRM, I'd say it was likely, but I see no reason to think this separate change was deliberate. It may have been, but no one's given any reason to think it.

Re:That was quick (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008556)

Yeah, but who the fuck asked you?

Right-- fairplay still works. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008581)

This is about authentication with the itunes music store, not removing the playfair drm protection.

Fairplay still works without any changes. A "friend" did the following last night:

1. Using an old version of itunes on a pc, purchased a new song from the music store.

2. Launched VLC on the PC, and found it had no problem playing it. Checked c:\documents and settings\[username]\application data\drms and there was a new file: XXXXXXXX.005, in addition to the other two files that were already there. They had extensions .002 and .004

3. Upgraded itunes on the PC to 4.5. Bought another song. It shows fairplay v2 when you look at it's info.

4. VLC can also play this one. No new file in the drms directory was created.

5. Copied both songs.m4p and the key files from drms to the mac running the latest itunes. Put the keys in ~/.drms

6. Ran playfair (v 0.5.0) against the two songs. They decoded into .m4a files which show no protection, and play fine in VLC, and itunes.

7. Just to double check, bought a third song using itunes on the mac. Ran playfair against it (still using the keys from the PC) and it decoded and plays fine.

My conclusion is that as long as you have the keys, you can still use playfair. My friend gets the keys from the PC running VLC. I don't know if other techniques may have been broken by the new itunes.

I don't have any problem with the ethics of removing the protection. I don't-- I mean, *wouldn't* use it to illegally share the music. It's just nice to have clean files in case Apple quits developing itunes for the PC, or some other unlikely scenario.

Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers? (-1, Informative)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008465)

But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed.

That's because for a "free" song you had to give them your credit card number. I complained twice to Pepsi and Apple...never got a response. So, as far as I am concerned, they've fucked themselves on this one.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (5, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008500)

That's because for a "free" song you had to give them your credit card number.

No, you didn't. I got two free, no credit card required.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (1)

0xC0FFEE (763100) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008580)

you have to provide one to create an account...

No they didn't (5, Insightful)

CptChipJew (301983) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008501)

I've worked for marketing companies that created similar promotions for their clients. Promotions like this are created with the full knowledge that the vast majority of winning caps will be tossed. 5% is actually a pretty strong number considering the L.A. Lakers caps they had in L.A. were only redeemed at a rate of 1.2 % (You got $10 off at Foot Locker) Have you noticed that 90% of the time McDonalds announces "We're giving away a million dollars!" that you never hear about anybody winning the prize?

Re:No they didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008630)

$10 off at Foot Locker? If sneakers were priced correctly, that would bring the price down to $15.

Re:No they didn't (2, Insightful)

LOL WTF OMG!!!!!!!!! (768357) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008669)

It was $10 off of any $50 or more purchase.

Of course Nike's do cost $1.50 to manufacture (this is not an exaggeration), but still 20% off ain't none too bad.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (-1, Redundant)

74nova (737399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008511)

at the time of me writing this, you are modded flamebait. i disagree with that. i think you are dead on and there is no way i woudl give my credit card number for a "free" song. if they wanted to give these things away, they should have actually been free. if this is a failure, i think they did it to themselves.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008593)

You're missing the point. The only reason they can give a free song is because it has DRM. The only way the DRM works is if it is tied to an Apple account. The only way you can get an Apple account on iTMS is by having a credit card. Requiring the credit card is pretty indirect. Your mistake is in forgetting that these are DRM'd files, like everything else on iTMS.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (4, Informative)

crackshoe (751995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008600)

Except you didn't have to give them a credit card to get the songs. I didn't have to put in any credit card informtaion until i actually bought a track -- after i had downloaded 18 free iTunes songs. So yes, they were actually free. You only needed to give them an email addy to create the account (or at least I did, but i used the account i'd had with apple for 2 years, so they already had my email).

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (2, Informative)

Slowtreme (701746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008523)

They must have changed this a while back. You do not need a CC to have an iTunes account. This is how they allow for Prepaid cards and gift certs now.

I know that I did not enter a CC number when creating a login for my 9 y/o daughter to download free itunes.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (5, Informative)

DiscoOnTheSide (544139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008528)

I dunno what iTunes *YOU* were using, but I never had to give my credit card # and I'm on free song #9 and counting...

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (2, Interesting)

DraKKon (7117) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008532)

Well there's that.. and I didn't see any of the special bottles until the beginning of April. Wasn't it supposed to start in the middle of february?

But to keep myself on topic.. Apple probably has a standard singup path.. They assume that if you are going to redeem a free song.. that you might buy something later.. But yes.. its lame to require a credit card when you are making a purchase of $0.00..

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (1)

0xC0FFEE (763100) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008542)

IMHO, right there is the explanation for why there was only 5 millions dl'ed songs. I can't imagine a parent giving away a CC number just to get a free songs for their children

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008570)

That's because for a "free" song you had to give them your credit card number

No you don't...at least I didn't have to anyways. When I created my account to redeem my free music the credit card part was optional.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (1)

spyrral (162842) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008588)

Mod the parent down. There is no insight contained within the post. He/she is completely incorrect about needing to enter a credit card number to redeem a song. When you open up iTunes Music Store, all you have to do is click on the pepsi logo in the center right on the window. It clearly says Redeem Song.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (2, Informative)

metalion (734521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008597)

But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed.

That's because for a "free" song you had to give them your credit card number. I complained twice to Pepsi and Apple...never got a response. So, as far as I am concerned, they've fucked themselves on this one.

Actually, when signing up, the option was given to input a credit card number now or later. I opted for later. I have downloaded several songs with the Pepsi promotion but I still have yet to give them my credit card number. :P

I have to admit that I do like iTunes. It has a nice interface, the music store seems well designed, and I haven't run into any issues with the DRM yet. But still wouldn't mind seeing a new version of software like PlayFair that addresses iTunes 4.5.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008626)

You are wrong. I just one for the first time the other day. I downloaded iTunes, installed it and clicked on the link in the iTunes store to redeem a free song code. It asked me for an email address and password and my name. Nothing more.

The problem was Pespi did a horrible job with regards to distribution. Bottles with codes didn't even hit the stores for weeks after the promotion started. They only just showed up in my area of Los Angeles a week and a half ago. So if you feel the need to blame someone, blame Pepsi for sabatoging the promotion.

Re:Why do "free" songs require credit card numbers (2, Interesting)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008656)

Well, and another problem I saw was it was bitch to read the caps soemtimes. Another problem was that they only let you enter 10 a day. I guess they don't like my practice of ferreting them out of trash cans (we are a pepsi campus). I plan on getting a Xbox this way as well thanks to DewU. If I fail to get 550 points, I will get a minifridge for my desk.

This is annoying. (4, Interesting)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008468)

The idea that Apple is "breaking" or "crippling" this part of iTunes is misleading. It wasn't a feature that Apple provided to begin with, and any hacks to break the DRM scheme will be thwarted by Apple eventually.

If you don't like this, you shouldn't use iTunes at all and don't buy their music because this is something they need to sell music online. Last I checked, you can just buy the CD at the store that contains no DRM at all.

Re:This is annoying. (4, Insightful)

m0rph3us0 (549631) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008494)

First Sale Doctorine. You can do what you want with things you purchase.

Re:This is annoying. (4, Informative)

wanerious (712877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008571)

You did not purchase the song. Read the agreement. You purchase the right to listen to the song subject to the conditions outlined in the agreement. If the agreement is not to your liking, do not purchase the song.

Re:This is annoying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008620)

Or purchase the song and crack the encryption. That way Apple gets paid for their excellent service.

Re:This is annoying. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008503)

This is exactly how I feel. If you don't like the terms of service that come with a transaction, don't do it.

Re:This is annoying. (1)

amembleton (411990) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008561)

CDs at a music store are crippled with 'Copy Protection'. All that means is that I have to download the album if I want to play it on my computer. It begs the question 'Why buy it in the first place?'

Re:This is annoying. (0)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008646)

CDs at a music store are crippled with 'Copy Protection'.

Some of them [amazon.com] , sadly yes.

All that means is that I have to download the album if I want to play it on my computer.

No it doesn't. Copy protection is almost trivial to get around. Doing an analog rip is the easiest method.

It begs the question 'Why buy it in the first place?'

1. No, it raises the question.
2. Because buying the CD gets you much better quality, the freedom to choose which format you want to encode to, gapless playback, the artwork, an actual portable object, etc. for a few bucks more (don't buy at your local chain store; Amazon has most CDs for $11-15).

Re:This is annoying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008666)

It doesn't actually beg the question, since that is a formal english term that refers to a completely different concept, but thanks for trying. Those of us at Slashdot always appreciate a good mangling of that phrase.

Re:This is annoying. (2, Insightful)

scifience (674659) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008568)

If Apple doesn't want people to hack iTunes, they need to provide a way of playing the files on operating systems other than Windows and Mac OS.

Most people who are using these hacks aren't using them to illegally copy music, but are using them to play the songs they purchased on unsupported hardware. As far as I'm concerned, this constitutes fair use.

Wrong way round (2, Insightful)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008628)

any hacks to break the DRM scheme will be thwarted by Apple eventually
Wrong way round. Any hacks that Apple implements to enforce DRM will be thwarted by geeks eventually (and usually sooner rather than later).

For better or for worse, DRM is a battle that content providers will lose.

K

What stopped me from downloading (0, Insightful)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008478)

I collected iTunes numbers, more for the heck of it than anything else. But I figured I'd go ahead and use one when my daughter had trouble believing that someone -- she didn't know Who [bbc.co.uk] -- had recorded "Behind Blue Eyes" before Limp Bizkit.

So I took my number and went to iTunes.com. What a mess! What I was looking for was a place where I could enter my code and get a song. Instead, there was a confusing assortment of links like "Download", "Music Store", "Jukebox"... noplace that says "Enter your code here".

Now, I'm savvy enough to figure out that I'm going to have to download Apple's special player, run it, and *then* enter my code. But they didn't put the codes on the Slashdot homepage... they put them under the lips of Slurpee [bradfitz.com] cups. If you want to appeal to Joe Slurpee, you need to learn from the "spank the monkey" advertisers: make it mind-numbingly simple.

Here's what I'd have done, if Apple had any interest in hiring an old VB hand. Put a textbox right in the middle of the itunes.com page. Put a big button next to it that says "Download song and player". Generate an install packet that's already got the free song code in it. If the installer sees that iTunes is already installed, just feed it the song code, otherwise install and download.

Joe Slurpee sees: enter code, push button, hear song.

So... anyone want my leftover iTunes codes?

Re:What stopped me from downloading (1)

Revolution 9 (743242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008515)

I'll take the codes (c: My email addy is linked from my website.

Re:What stopped me from downloading (1)

BlackHorse (671909) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008576)

I'll take the codes. wes@xwarzone.com

Re:What stopped me from downloading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008658)

Holy crap. You're right. All this time we've been expecting users to install software before they use it. But when you put it that way, it's hard to believe how naive we were. From now on we'll have to make sure that software works even if it's not installed. It'll be a new revolution in computers! Now all we need to do is find a way around this little causality thing.

(Without the sarcasm: Once you start to discuss users that are that incredibly stupid, I would say it's time to give up on them.)

Re:What stopped me from downloading (5, Funny)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008668)

You mean you missed the big honking Pepsi logo right in the middle of the iTunes home page that said "Redeem your free song here"?

Fantastic. (0, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008480)

By all means, keep antagonizing the best online music provider with these innovations. I don't know what endgame they're working towards, if any, but the two possibilities I can think of are Apple making a foolproof DRM scheme and cracking down on the freedoms they today permit or Apple deciding this market just isn't worth it and pulling down the service entirely.

This reminds me of a historical anecdote. One of the many advancements made under Lord Tokugawa's rule, which is arguably the point at which Japan began to transform into the powerhouse of technological innovation we know and love today, was the world's first sukaisukure ('skyscraper'). Built as the southernmost endpoint of the Great Wall to commemorate its completion, the sukaisukure could hardly compare to today's structures; however, given that its architecture predated the use of steel in building design it stands as a testament to Tokugawa's extraordinary vision.

Despite Tokugawa's status as a visionary, he could not contend with the constant threat of an armed and discontented populace -- to secure his reign, he confiscated the weapons of the lower classes and permitted only those of samurai rank or higher to carry swords. Viewed as a tyrannical measure that sowed some degree of discontent, this nevertheless permitted Tokugawa's innovations to come to fruition and ultimately benefit society.

Apple is in a similar situation. They are at the bleeding edge of the industry, particularly in relation to the music industry's philosophies, and need desparately to prove that this model works. They can't afford to look on these hacks with benevolence because they've got to work with the RIAA and affiliated labels just to make the music available. Can't the people who want their music in freer formats simply buy it on CD and convert it for their own use -- thereby voting with their dollars for a better scheme -- rather than creating software that threatens Apple's relationship with its business partner and ultimately its customers via the policies it has to adopt in reaction?

Re:Fantastic. (1)

74nova (737399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008613)

Apple making a foolproof DRM scheme and cracking down on the freedoms they today permit
has anyone accomplished anything that hasnt been cracked given (even a reasonable) time? i think they might come up with something that is hard enough to do that they can still make money despite a crack for it, if thats what you meant.

Katanagari (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008615)

was done LONG before ol Tokunaga. Minamoto no Yoshitsune (1192AD) is one as did his immediate successor, Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Shall we visit the whole Genji vs Heike period?

Re:Fantastic. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008629)

Wow. That's fascinating. I never realized the Great Wall of China ended in Japan.

Shameless hypocrisy (2, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008641)

By all means, keep antagonizing the best online music provider with these innovations.
Why don't you just marry Steve Jobs and get it over with?

Some people here have their tongues so far up Apple's ass that they are even willing to defend their DRM technology, and attack those that work around it.

Shame on anyone that is defending Apple here but didn't defend the MPAA's attack on DECSS.

Re:Fantastic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008647)

Ah, yes. The famous Great Wall of Japan.

Can it really be seen from space?

Re:Fantastic. (2, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008664)

I'm a bit confused. So what you're saying is that Steve Jobs is the Emperor of Japan?

I knew it... (0, Redundant)

g3head (771421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008483)

"But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed."

I knew I should have climbed into that dumpster...

On Pepsi's iTunes Contest (3, Informative)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008486)

I'm hardly surprised by the results. Personally, I don't drink Pepsi usually (though it's not a religious thing, no matter what people think). But I'll drink a Sierra Mist, which is included in the contest.

So when My Lovely Wife (MLF) would go to the store, she knew to look for Sierra Mist with the label. For about the last 5 months she's looked, and every so often I'd take a peek.

Nothing. Nada. I've talked to other people in the San Diego/Southern California area. Nothing. I was on a business trip to Chicago - didn't see any out there (though maybe someone who lives there might have had more luck).

I don't know if it's that Pepsi had a lot of "warehouse" Pepsi to sell that just never got to the market, or if they only shipped it to certain areas. But whatever the reason, I have not seen one iTunes Pepsi cap - and those friends I have who have seen them in their area mention that it's not 1/3 that one, but typically more like 1/10 (though perhaps they were victims of the "Bottle Tilt Trick" in their area from ambitious music buyers).

I'd like to hear that Pepsi extends the contest for another 6 months in the hopes that the labeled bottles will eventually reach stores, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:On Pepsi's iTunes Contest (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008606)

I was on a business trip to Chicago - didn't see any out there (though maybe someone who lives there might have had more luck).

I'm in Chicago. I won thrice. However, they were all 1 liter bottles. I haven't seen any 16 oz bottles with the iTunes promotion.

Re:On Pepsi's iTunes Contest (1)

EboMike (236714) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008659)

I had a smiliar problem - until March or so, I hadn't seen a single yellow-cap Pepsi, and I had been looking hard. But then, they started appearing in Southern California. First in Irvine, where I work, and first Diet Pepsi only.

Using the tilt-bottle trick, I got a 100% success rate, and I also recruited all my co-workers to give me their caps (I also searched our recycle bins) and ended up with well over 30 free songs.

Now, I see the yellow caps everywhere. Diet Pepsi, regular Pepsi, Orange County, San Diego County. Too bad it's over tomorrow.

4.5 busted sharing with previous versions (5, Interesting)

crackshoe (751995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008491)

my main problem with 4.5 is that it no longer allowed sharing with other itunes running boxen on my home network - the one machine i had updated to 4.5 ( my parents imac) couldn't accesss my music on the g5. it seems like a fairly annoying thing that wouldn't be particularly hard to not break for no particular reason. while i personally think theres no reason to break apple's authentication or other security features in itunes (the current permisions are more than enough for me, and i have less than 20 pruchased tracks, and only 2 machines i play em on), its nice to know that work arounds do exist.

Only 5 million songs is no surprise (4, Informative)

profet (263203) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008497)

I live in NYC and have seen exactly 1 bodega with iTMS Pepsi bottles.

Maybe someone forgot to ship these things to places where people actually would use them?

Re:Only 5 million songs is no surprise (1)

danuary (748394) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008609)

I'm also in NYC. I see none near my home (Brooklyn) but I see them all over the place in the downtown/Wall Street area - every bodega down here has a fridgecase full of 'em...

Check out the new Ninnle for Mac! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008499)

MacNinnle, of course! The latest port of Ninnle Linux V3.

Apple should hire him (1)

sustik (90111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008502)

Why Apple does not hire this guy? (David Hammerton)
Appearently the current developers have no clue.

Matyas

I got one of these bottlecaps... (1, Offtopic)

LilMikey (615759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008507)

but the effort of doing what needs to be done to dl them in linux then convert them/remove the 'bad' parts so that it plays where I want it to is just too much...

Besides, NPR past shows are all free on the internet anyway.

Hmm (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008510)

But according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed.

So... 95 million valid codes left, where's the code generator? :-)

power to the crackers (1)

quelrods (521005) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008526)

Anyone who is inteligent and bored can crack just about anything in relatively short order. I'm sure most /. readers are all too aware of how easy cracks, keygens, and serials are to get ahold of. Though kudos to him as he got the job done faster than the latest yahoo protocol was reverse engineered, or maybe just kudos to yahoo! Though, I don't think apple will be hiring him anytime soon.

Pepsi Redemption Rate (4, Interesting)

MyNameIsFred (543994) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008534)

...according to Apple on Wednesday, only about 5 million free songs have been redeemed...

I wonder what the typical redemption rate is for the Pepsi, Coke and other softdrink give aways. I know for paper coupons [cnn.com] the redemption rate is about 2 percent. Granted alot of those coupons go straight into the trash. However, when people print coupons from the web only 20 percent are redeemed. And if someone is going to print them, you would think they would use them.

My point, is the Pepsi-iTunes rate of 5 percent unexpected?

Deliberately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008537)

What does the poster mean by "deliberately broke the 4.2 authentication scheme"? I would think it obvious that they didn't change the protocol by accident.

Perhaps the poster meant that Apple deliberately broke compatibility with certain third-party applications; if so, where is his evidence for such a claim?

Mike

I'm sure Apple doesn't care. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008539)

Their new strategy seems to be fixed, and it's a strict policy of lip service. If they make sure:

- The De-Fairplay utilities don't have public development sites, and instead are forced to be these little files passed around on USENET and P2P and slashdot like they're some sort of contraband, well out of the public eye

- The way things work change just *SLIGHTLY* with every minor release of iTunes, causing all the De-Fairplay utilities to have to be updated with every minor release

Then, well. The slashdotters get to keep their de-Fairplay utilities and use them as much as they want; and from the RIAA's perspective, Apple's "doing something" about piracy, because there's no longer a publically visible way to crack Fairplay, and so they don't revoke Apple's license to sell music. Everybody wins! Except our civil liberties.

In Cali, (2, Informative)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008582)

Here in beautiful Glendale CA I only bough 2 losing Pepsi bottles, and I drink a lot of diet Pepsi. The bottles didn't show up until recently and i think they were playing catch up. I waited over a month after the promo started before I finally saw a bottle for sale. This could be a factor in the lower than expected numbers.

tubgirL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9008587)

User5 With Large

Free iTune download (3, Informative)

G27 Radio (78394) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008589)

I found a link to this [benjerry.com] on Ben&Jerry's site after reading the news.com article. Pledge to vote in the next election and you get a free iTunes download with 24-48 hours.

Get 'em while they're hot--er, or before they melt?

Ummm... isn't this illegal? (1, Troll)

Kunt (755109) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008595)

Why is it that people don't want to pay for software and media content? If I like something, if it has any value for me, I will pay for it, no problem. I have a job, so I can affort to pay for the stuff I want. I pay for quality. But if someone were to steal from me or my company, I will bloody well see them in court! And so, Apple and the record companies should SUE this guy.

Why so few redeemed songs... (5, Insightful)

BRSQUIRRL (69271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008596)

Ii might have something to do with the inconvenience of downloading and installing iTunes, creating an account (which includes entering a credit card number), and then finally entering the code and picking a song.

But I think more importantly, the vast majority of people simply don't know much about iTunes (or don't even know what it IS). I dug a lot of "one free song" bottle caps out of the wastebaskets in our office because people didn't have a clue what they were...however, once I showed them how to redeem them, their reaction was usually something like "I can get any song I want?!? COOL!". This leads me to believe that Apple still has a ways to go in terms of public interest and awareness of the online music store scene...which is actually an exciting opportunity for them.

5% sounds about right (4, Interesting)

71thumper (107491) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008616)

Given the classic assumptions on "mail-in rebates" that only 10% of the people actually bother if the amount is less than $100...5% is actually amazingly high for something that has a very narrow audience given the number of people who by Pepsi (i.e., lots of people that bought winners didn't care about iTunes).

Arms race (3, Insightful)

Erbo (384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008632)

The "arms race" has definitely begun. And, from all indications thusfar, this one will be hard-fought.

In the end, though, if this stays a technology arms race, Apple will lose. Why? Because most of the smart people in the world don't work for Apple. (That's also true even for Microsoft, incidentally.)

Apple will have to take another tack if they want to preserve the integrity of the iTunes DRM. What that'll be, I dunno, but I hope they don't resort to suing their customers.

Good? (4, Insightful)

wanerious (712877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008634)

And cracking the authentication scheme is considered ... good? I love iTunes and the iTMS. If Apple pulls out of the market because it tires of people breaking their rules out of a overblown sense of entitlement, we'll all be worse off.

And why not... (2, Informative)

Perky_Goth (594327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008643)

mirror [fe.up.pt]
oh, and playfair:
mirror [fe.up.pt]

Blind eye (3, Insightful)

pumpknhd (575415) | more than 10 years ago | (#9008661)

Apple's authentication scheme is probably just placed to satisfy the RIAA. Not wanting to alienate their user base, and likely their most vocal supporters, Apple is just turning a blind eye. RIAA is happy, and iTunes users are happy.

Sun Tzu on the Art of War: Attack your allies to weaken your enemy
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